1 2014-10-20T08:14:24 *** dreimark
2 2014-10-20T08:14:32 *** dreimark
3 2014-10-20T09:04:42 *** greg_f
4 2014-10-20T10:12:42 *** greg_f
5 2014-10-20T10:14:40 *** greg_f
6 2014-10-20T12:41:15 *** dave_largo
7 2014-10-20T13:22:44 *** pjoshi
8 2014-10-20T13:23:23 <pjoshi> sharky93_: hello
9 2014-10-20T13:23:37 <pjoshi> I have been working on a bug
10 2014-10-20T13:23:55 <pjoshi> I have some doubt
11 2014-10-20T13:23:56 <pjoshi> csn you help me?
12 2014-10-20T13:24:07 <pjoshi> *can
13 2014-10-20T13:43:32 *** pjoshi
14 2014-10-20T14:15:46 *** RogerHaase
15 2014-10-20T15:49:23 *** dreimark_
16 2014-10-20T15:50:09 *** dreimark_
17 2014-10-20T16:05:54 *** ThomasWaldmann
18 2014-10-20T16:06:42 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
19 2014-10-20T16:07:02 * ThomasWaldmann had to switch to another freenode host due to ipv6 connectivity problems....
20 2014-10-20T16:10:53 *** greg_f
21 2014-10-20T17:25:46 <ReimarBauer> moin
22 2014-10-20T17:25:54 * ReimarBauer have recognized
23 2014-10-20T17:27:11 <ReimarBauer> ssh: connect to host shell.thinkmo.de port 2222: Network is unreachable
24 2014-10-20T17:27:45 <ReimarBauer> not sure if that is from my site, worked a few ours before
25 2014-10-20T17:27:52 <ReimarBauer> +h
26 2014-10-20T17:47:04 <waldi> ReimarBauer: you lost your v6 route
27 2014-10-20T17:53:50 <ThomasWaldmann> hi ReimarBauer, hi waldi
28 2014-10-20T18:22:06 <ReimarBauer> good to know
29 2014-10-20T18:22:26 <ReimarBauer> hi ThomasWaldmann hi waldi
30 2014-10-20T19:18:13 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: do you remember why we have 2 snippets templates now?
31 2014-10-20T19:22:53 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: afaik, no good reason to have 2. I am thinking that most of the templates in basic/templates should be merged leaving only layout,html and show.html
32 2014-10-20T19:23:23 <RogerHaase> layout.html
33 2014-10-20T19:26:37 <ThomasWaldmann> that would be good if it can be done in a reasonable way
34 2014-10-20T19:27:09 <ThomasWaldmann> I am somehow tired of touching anything UI related currently, because it immediately means double work (adapt 2 themes)
35 2014-10-20T19:28:00 <ThomasWaldmann> i even have thought whether dropping modernized would simplify development
36 2014-10-20T19:29:14 <ThomasWaldmann> (the basic idea for snippets.html was to provide some default pieces that can be overridden by the admin to customize the looks: logo, footer, etc.)
37 2014-10-20T19:32:00 <ThomasWaldmann> (same for bug reporting and testing: always 2 themes to consider/test)
38 2014-10-20T19:34:15 <RogerHaase> I am thinking anything under moin-content should use the standard moin css (no bootstrap classes). Then the themes can be simplified to just do header, footer, sidebar
39 2014-10-20T19:35:17 <RogerHaase> If we merge most of the duplicated stuff in basic/templates we are almost there.
40 2014-10-20T19:35:23 <ThomasWaldmann> but otoh, all content area stuff might look crappy w/o bootstrap
41 2014-10-20T19:37:01 <RogerHaase> I think the bootstrap tables look rather crappy, e.g. http://localhost:8080/+admin/userbrowser
42 2014-10-20T19:41:54 <ThomasWaldmann> well, I have another app that uses bootstrap and while it doesn't look spectacular good, it at least looks consistent. can't say that of moin2.
43 2014-10-20T19:42:37 <ThomasWaldmann> e.g. look at these buttons on the tickets view. ugly and not even well-readable.
44 2014-10-20T19:46:58 <RogerHaase> agree tickets needs more work (as does a lot of other things), but I find myself disliking bootstrap more the longer I work with it.
45 2014-10-20T19:48:31 <RogerHaase> html { font-size: 62.5%; .....
46 2014-10-20T19:48:56 <RogerHaase> body { ... font-size: 14px; .....
47 2014-10-20T19:52:25 <ThomasWaldmann> looks strange, but I bet they know more about css than me :D
48 2014-10-20T19:55:50 <ThomasWaldmann> https://github.com/nsupdate-info/nsupdate.info/blob/master/nsupdate/static/css/nsupdate.css
49 2014-10-20T19:56:13 <ThomasWaldmann> also, what i find nice is that ^^^ was all css we needed, everything else comes from BS
50 2014-10-20T19:57:36 <RogerHaase> I think that most browsers have standard em size of 16px so 16 * .625 = 10px; so later you can do .xxx { width: 30rem; } and hope you are getting 300px. But bootstrap just sets that up, it does not use rem units anywhere.
51 2014-10-20T20:06:10 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: the biggest problem to using bootstrap for moin-content is the parsers output many moin-* classes; trying to change that would make a big mess
52 2014-10-20T20:12:14 <ThomasWaldmann> i guess i wouldn't apply it to content generated by moin converters
53 2014-10-20T20:12:30 <ThomasWaldmann> but to stuff generated by templates
54 2014-10-20T20:25:54 <ThomasWaldmann> but guess that contradicts unifying most of the templates...
55 2014-10-20T20:27:06 *** ReimarBauer
56 2014-10-20T20:34:03 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/issues/13737 https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/pull/13738
57 2014-10-20T20:43:51 <RogerHaase> Hooray for IE11 :-D Seems crazy to set rem to 10px and then later set font-size: 3.9rem; just to make the math easy. Why not just do font-size: 39px; rather than all the redirection?
58 2014-10-20T20:46:20 *** dave_largo
59 2014-10-20T22:11:38 *** RogerHaase
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