1 2013-06-15T00:17:20 *** diofeher
2 2013-06-15T00:33:03 * ThomasWaldmann raised requirements in setup.py, please upgrade/rebuild your virtualenv! http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0/rev/ad303592c64c
3 2013-06-15T00:58:26 *** diofeher
4 2013-06-15T04:47:13 *** ashutosh1461
5 2013-06-15T05:00:53 <ashutosh1461> moin
6 2013-06-15T05:03:06 *** ashutosh_singla1
7 2013-06-15T05:03:58 *** ashutosh1461
8 2013-06-15T05:11:29 *** sharky93
9 2013-06-15T05:47:40 *** moinBot
10 2013-06-15T05:48:00 *** asingla
11 2013-06-15T06:06:46 *** asingla
12 2013-06-15T06:10:41 *** asingla
13 2013-06-15T06:12:21 <ashutosh_singla1> ThomasWaldmann, matt replied https://bitbucket.org/mchaput/whoosh/issue/321/
14 2013-06-15T06:21:10 <ashutosh_singla1> The list is actually interpreted as a list of pre-analyzed tokens, so the analyzer is never run. we need to find an alternate solution.
15 2013-06-15T06:23:53 *** asingla
16 2013-06-15T07:25:21 *** ana_ananasova
17 2013-06-15T08:56:28 *** sharky93
18 2013-06-15T09:06:31 *** sharky93
19 2013-06-15T10:11:38 *** ashutosh_singla1
20 2013-06-15T11:29:26 *** sharky93
21 2013-06-15T12:54:08 *** greg_f
22 2013-06-15T13:22:58 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
23 2013-06-15T13:23:29 <ThomasWaldmann> ronny: so you also found pycharm now :)
24 2013-06-15T14:43:12 *** ashutosh1461
25 2013-06-15T15:30:05 *** ana_ananasova
26 2013-06-15T15:36:22 *** ana_ananasova
27 2013-06-15T15:36:38 <sharky93> TheSheep, how about http://web.iiit.ac.in/~rishabh.raj/gumby/custom/my.html
28 2013-06-15T15:36:59 <sharky93> Grids are awesome! :)
29 2013-06-15T15:42:53 <ThomasWaldmann> looks strange for low width
30 2013-06-15T15:51:38 *** ashutosh1461
31 2013-06-15T15:52:52 *** ashutosh1461
32 2013-06-15T16:02:02 *** ashutosh1461
33 2013-06-15T16:02:17 *** ashutosh1461
34 2013-06-15T16:05:11 *** ana_ananasova
35 2013-06-15T16:36:18 <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin-mail
36 2013-06-15T16:47:24 *** xiaq
37 2013-06-15T16:48:14 *** xiaq
38 2013-06-15T16:48:37 *** xiaq
39 2013-06-15T17:18:26 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: yup
40 2013-06-15T17:21:36 <ThomasWaldmann> don't forget to keep the .idea if you kill a workdir for some reason :D (but want to do a fresh clone later)
41 2013-06-15T17:22:00 <ThomasWaldmann> ronny: ^
42 2013-06-15T17:26:11 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: so far i keep it in standard configuration
43 2013-06-15T17:29:34 <ThomasWaldmann> sooner or later you'll add/change configuration
44 2013-06-15T17:30:02 <ronny> yeah
45 2013-06-15T17:30:21 <ronny> might be messy i dont want to have to keep config around
46 2013-06-15T17:47:18 *** greg_f
47 2013-06-15T17:54:10 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann, do you mean for mobile devices ?
48 2013-06-15T17:57:11 <ThomasWaldmann> i reduced to about half of my 1440px and it broke
49 2013-06-15T18:08:25 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann, can you paste a screenshot here
50 2013-06-15T18:08:36 <sharky93> i mean the imagebin link
51 2013-06-15T18:09:48 <ThomasWaldmann> so you are saying it does not happen for you with ww and 600..700px w?
52 2013-06-15T18:10:05 <ThomasWaldmann> s/ww/firefox/
53 2013-06-15T18:11:34 <ThomasWaldmann> sharky93: ^
54 2013-06-15T18:18:08 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann, i dont think it is breaking with me ..
55 2013-06-15T18:18:10 <sharky93> http://imagebin.org/261481
56 2013-06-15T18:18:16 <sharky93> my full width is 1366px
57 2013-06-15T18:20:28 <ThomasWaldmann> you did not reduce width of browser window
58 2013-06-15T18:23:40 <sharky93> oh, hmm .. i see it now.. that same happens on mobile devices
59 2013-06-15T18:30:50 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, readng foundation docs: "Browsers that support media queries will render the mobile styles if they are below 768px wide and everything else will get the desktop layouts, using percentages to handle width changes."
60 2013-06-15T18:31:16 <ThomasWaldmann> does that even make sense with 5" 1920x1080 devices we already have?
61 2013-06-15T18:33:17 <sharky93> so it renders the desktop layout on the mobile device .. hmm not sure with that
62 2013-06-15T18:39:03 <sharky93> what is happening is that the columns stack together when the width is lesser
63 2013-06-15T18:40:14 <ThomasWaldmann> it's still broken, see the logo, see how it puts col2 below col1 although there is enough space to right of col1
64 2013-06-15T18:44:13 <sharky93> yeah, i agree that should not be happening. Gumby has a "tiles" feature for preserving the layout. Looking that up currently
65 2013-06-15T18:45:20 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, try how foobar theme behaves right now
66 2013-06-15T18:49:29 <sharky93> foobar does not break for window resizes afaics
67 2013-06-15T18:49:45 <sharky93> dont have any link to try from the mobile
68 2013-06-15T18:54:27 <ThomasWaldmann> https://test.moinmo.in/Home (not guaranteed to be current code)
69 2013-06-15T18:58:29 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann, that has a broken registration, and i cannot change to FooBar otherwise :(
70 2013-06-15T18:58:53 <sharky93> unless i have some registered account and the login is not broken
71 2013-06-15T19:00:07 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, then just try it on your local installation
72 2013-06-15T19:02:38 <sharky93> not so easy in gumby to support a consistent layout for mobiles as well as desktops.
73 2013-06-15T19:02:40 <sharky93> TheSheep, ^
74 2013-06-15T19:03:52 <TheSheep> sharky93: did you try to make the mockups in other frameworks already?
75 2013-06-15T19:03:59 <TheSheep> sharky93: maybe it will be easier
76 2013-06-15T19:04:27 <TheSheep> they call it "responsive layout" or "responsive design"
77 2013-06-15T19:06:49 <sharky93> TheSheep, i spent most time looking up Gumby, i was hoping this would work out well, but as it turns out now, it is not easy.
78 2013-06-15T19:07:20 <sharky93> TheSheep, i've posted a "how to do this?" on their community, hopefully someone has overcome this sort of an issue
79 2013-06-15T19:08:07 <sharky93> looking up foundation now for 'responsive layout', it maye just be more sturdy.
80 2013-06-15T19:14:26 * TheSheep is writing a makefile of extracting and compiling of translation strings
81 2013-06-15T19:14:48 <TheSheep> make is still the simplest tool for the job
82 2013-06-15T19:41:18 *** RogerHaase
83 2013-06-15T19:47:29 *** ana_ananasova
84 2013-06-15T19:49:47 <sharky93> TheSheep, in what way do we want the FooBar design to change with the environment for instance mobile?
85 2013-06-15T19:50:23 <TheSheep> well, you can't have left sidebar on a narrow screen
86 2013-06-15T19:50:35 <TheSheep> it should move to top
87 2013-06-15T19:50:54 <TheSheep> and the right sidebar also won't fit, so it should move to bottom
88 2013-06-15T19:55:16 <sharky93> TheSheep, usually do we have to specify, how do we want each element to respond?
89 2013-06-15T19:57:14 <TheSheep> most of the time the framework has mechanisms that work fine
90 2013-06-15T19:57:32 <TheSheep> it is possible to add special cases though
91 2013-06-15T19:58:45 <TheSheep> sharky93: for example, your mockup works exactly as expected, maybe apart for some funny thing with the logo
92 2013-06-15T20:00:35 <sharky93> TheSheep, hmm, it stacks up the columns
93 2013-06-15T20:01:01 <TheSheep> yup
94 2013-06-15T20:01:11 <TheSheep> that makes it easier to use on a small screen
95 2013-06-15T20:02:11 <sharky93> hmm
96 2013-06-15T20:02:21 <sharky93> TheSheep, any ideas as to what can we use to cause the sidebars to arrange in a horizontal fashion?
97 2013-06-15T20:04:08 <TheSheep> why would you do that? the screen is too narrow for that
98 2013-06-15T20:05:36 <sharky93> TheSheep, but the response for a mobile device on the mockup, is that acceptable?
99 2013-06-15T20:06:15 <TheSheep> yes, that's by design
100 2013-06-15T20:06:29 <TheSheep> it looks strange becuase you removed the styling from the navigation
101 2013-06-15T20:06:38 <TheSheep> but if you didn't do that, it would look fine
102 2013-06-15T20:10:19 <sharky93> TheSheep, hmm, btw i fixed the funny thing with the image
103 2013-06-15T20:10:29 <sharky93> looks better now :)
104 2013-06-15T20:14:12 <sharky93> TheSheep, the styling is present btw, it sometimes does not load it i guess, you may try to reload the page
105 2013-06-15T20:16:58 <TheSheep> nope, I get a white page with red links
106 2013-06-15T20:17:05 <TheSheep> no frames or backgrounds
107 2013-06-15T20:17:47 <sharky93> which browser?
108 2013-06-15T20:18:47 <TheSheep> chromium, but shouldn't matter
109 2013-06-15T20:19:14 <TheSheep> nowadays it's quite an achievement to write browser-specific html
110 2013-06-15T20:19:21 <sharky93> :P
111 2013-06-15T20:19:59 <sharky93> im on Opera Mobile .. it showed me a white page with red links.. i refreshed and then it showed me correctly.
112 2013-06-15T20:20:57 <TheSheep> all files loaded without any errors
113 2013-06-15T20:22:14 <sharky93> TheSheep, i dont understand this. :|
114 2013-06-15T20:23:16 <TheSheep> maybe there is some caching proxy in the way?
115 2013-06-15T20:24:35 <sharky93> hmm possible.
116 2013-06-15T20:26:52 <TheSheep> make sure you don't serve some 'cache forever' headers
117 2013-06-15T20:29:06 <sharky93> im adding meta for always old :P .. let us see .
118 2013-06-15T20:29:43 <TheSheep> how is the browser supposed to ever see it?
119 2013-06-15T20:32:48 *** ana_ananasova
120 2013-06-15T20:33:00 <sharky93> hmm has to fetch it once atleast
121 2013-06-15T20:34:03 <sharky93> afaik we dont serve any cache forever headers.
122 2013-06-15T20:40:41 *** ashutosh1461
123 2013-06-15T20:41:20 <sharky93> did you try some other browser? maybe its the browser cache?
124 2013-06-15T20:50:02 *** ana_ananasova
125 2013-06-15T20:51:34 *** ana_ananasova
126 2013-06-15T20:53:18 <TheSheep> looks the same in firefox
127 2013-06-15T20:54:32 <TheSheep> it looks like http://imagebin.org/261481
128 2013-06-15T20:55:02 <TheSheep> no styles for the menus or other stuff
129 2013-06-15T20:55:36 <sharky93> oh.
130 2013-06-15T20:55:40 <sharky93> *facepalm*
131 2013-06-15T20:56:22 <sharky93> all this time i was thinking that no styles meant .. you get a bulleted list in the navigation .. since that is <ul> :P
132 2013-06-15T20:59:50 <sharky93> TheSheep, ^ so yeah i had removed the background..
133 2013-06-15T21:04:06 <TheSheep> it looks kinda nice, google-style, but it lacks the affordances
134 2013-06-15T21:04:21 <TheSheep> especially when the elements move around
135 2013-06-15T21:23:49 <ThomasWaldmann> re
136 2013-06-15T21:25:36 <sharky93> hmm
137 2013-06-15T21:27:10 <sharky93> TheSheep, the "Joyride" & "Tooltips" features of foundation are pretty nice!
138 2013-06-15T21:31:01 <dreimark_> re
139 2013-06-15T21:34:33 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: small fix for broken scroll-after-edit: https://codereview.appspot.com/10306043/
140 2013-06-15T21:36:24 <ThomasWaldmann> wb RogerHaase
141 2013-06-15T21:36:45 <RogerHaase> moin :)
142 2013-06-15T21:37:14 <ThomasWaldmann> http://mobile.smashingmagazine.com/2013/03/31/getting-started-jquery-mobile/ the paragraph before the "compatbility" heading sounds different like what i experienced on the demo page
143 2013-06-15T21:41:52 * ThomasWaldmann looks at codereview
144 2013-06-15T21:44:09 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: looks ok
145 2013-06-15T21:47:50 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: as you already used j-m, can you clarify?
146 2013-06-15T22:07:33 <ThomasWaldmann> lol @ favourite dalek phrase dropdown contents
147 2013-06-15T22:13:14 *** RogerHaase
148 2013-06-15T22:28:18 <sharky93> TheSheep, using foundation @ http://web.iiit.ac.in/~rishabh.raj/foundation/test.html
149 2013-06-15T22:28:23 <sharky93> I find it a bit more flexible
150 2013-06-15T22:30:37 <ThomasWaldmann> intresting, it shrinks the image at widths < img w
151 2013-06-15T22:33:10 <ThomasWaldmann> sharky93: on EP, foundation has the issue "tabs require js", isn't that same for others, too?
152 2013-06-15T22:36:49 <sharky93> I haven't checked that, TheSheep had added :)
153 2013-06-15T22:39:19 <ThomasWaldmann> somewher gumby mentions "our js magic does the rest" (or so)
154 2013-06-15T22:45:53 <sharky93> that i guess would be stuff like stacking the columns for the mobile view
155 2013-06-15T22:46:28 * ThomasWaldmann meant the tabs working or not
156 2013-06-15T23:03:53 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann, TheSheep i just checked with disabling JS, the tabs dont seem to work in gumby either.
157 2013-06-15T23:12:06 *** not-xjjk
158 2013-06-15T23:12:13 *** xjjk
159 2013-06-15T23:13:36 <sharky93> and coding starts from the day after :) ...
160 2013-06-15T23:13:39 <ThomasWaldmann> sharky93: ok, add it to the EP
161 2013-06-15T23:21:05 <sharky93> i should get some sleep
162 2013-06-15T23:22:18 <ThomasWaldmann> gn sharky93
163 2013-06-15T23:24:06 <sharky93> TheSheep, what should we work on for the rest of the left-over time? .. i dont think there is a need to evaluate more frameworks.
164 2013-06-15T23:24:37 <sharky93> TheSheep, please reply (as much elaborately as possible :) i'll check the log in the morning.
165 2013-06-15T23:24:44 <sharky93> gn :)
166 2013-06-15T23:50:56 <ThomasWaldmann> (as this decision will likely influence the next years of moin development and usage, we'll take as much time as needed for deciding. as sharky's proposal also has components not depending on that, these can be done first next week in case we need more time.)
