1 2013-06-12T00:59:54 *** sharky93
2 2013-06-12T00:59:54 *** sharky93_
3 2013-06-12T04:19:22 *** brunomartin
4 2013-06-12T04:31:06 *** brunomartin
5 2013-06-12T05:47:28 *** brunomartin
6 2013-06-12T06:00:16 *** brunomartin
7 2013-06-12T06:36:08 *** sharky93
8 2013-06-12T06:37:36 *** sharky93
9 2013-06-12T06:47:00 <sharky93> moin
10 2013-06-12T06:47:56 *** sharky93_
11 2013-06-12T06:52:02 <sharky93> TheSheep, hi!, i kind of dozed off early yesterday :( .. no personal favourites yet.. but if we are doing the revamp this SoC i would suggest Gumby (the seem active on the G+ community) .. or even purecss.io may provide what we need
12 2013-06-12T06:56:56 *** ana_ananasova
13 2013-06-12T06:58:49 <sharky93> TheSheep, i think we should finalize it .. not too much time left now.
14 2013-06-12T07:21:16 <sharky93> TheSheep, are we decided on the i18n lib? and related to serving the translation set created by hand?
15 2013-06-12T07:26:29 *** ashutosh1461
16 2013-06-12T07:34:29 *** asingla
17 2013-06-12T07:35:52 <asingla> ThomasWaldmann: working fine now
18 2013-06-12T07:40:49 *** ashutosh1461
19 2013-06-12T09:30:11 <eSyr_> ThomasWaldmann: regarding backlink fix: maybe it worth documenting poassible (expected) return values and provided argument? Otherwise it's quite hard to understand how to tune it.
20 2013-06-12T10:14:16 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
21 2013-06-12T10:14:48 *** greg_f
22 2013-06-12T10:23:36 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr_: do you need anything more than what i put in docs/CHANGES?
23 2013-06-12T10:24:09 <ThomasWaldmann> it mentions all the possible values
24 2013-06-12T10:44:40 <TheSheep> sharky93: lets go with jquery-i18n
25 2013-06-12T10:55:52 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr_: btw, load on our server dropped from 2+ to 0.2 usually since misc. changes I did recently
26 2013-06-12T11:00:56 <sharky93> TheSheep, ah cool! .. suits our needs best i think, this one right ? -> https://github.com/recurser/jquery-i18n
27 2013-06-12T11:04:21 <sharky93> TheSheep, about the UI revamp?
28 2013-06-12T11:06:02 * ThomasWaldmann bbl
29 2013-06-12T11:06:19 <ThomasWaldmann> asingla: did some comments on EP
30 2013-06-12T11:12:14 <TheSheep> sharky93: yes
31 2013-06-12T11:13:27 <TheSheep> sharky93: have you looked at the themes to try and asses how much work it would take to revamp the ui?
32 2013-06-12T11:16:24 <TheSheep> sharky93: it would be ravamping of the theme and most of the actions
33 2013-06-12T11:17:19 <sharky93> TheSheep, i have had a look at the main stylus file for the foobar theme that generates the css.
34 2013-06-12T11:18:11 <sharky93> TheSheep, we would be looking at integrating this over moin or just a new theme?
35 2013-06-12T11:19:24 <sharky93> i dont think a new theme is what we want
36 2013-06-12T11:19:40 <sharky93> and we do need a facelift.
37 2013-06-12T11:20:49 <TheSheep> sharky93: I don't think that integrating the existing css with gumpy would be any easier
38 2013-06-12T11:21:23 <TheSheep> sharky93: for it to have any sense, all the moin themes would need to use gumby
39 2013-06-12T11:26:38 <sharky93> TheSheep, so we start with a complete new idea for a theme, new layouts etc .. or follow FooBar / Modernized?
40 2013-06-12T11:27:46 <eSyr_> ThomasWaldmann: i meant description of the parameter in multiconfig.py, usually it's the first place where wikiadmins look at, also HelpOnConfiguration (specifically, WikiConfig macro) based on descriptions there.
41 2013-06-12T11:28:57 <eSyr_> ThomasWaldmann: description in CHANGES is thorough and complete, on the other side, thanks.
42 2013-06-12T11:29:19 *** eSyr_
43 2013-06-12T11:33:16 <TheSheep> sharky93: I think we should try and re-create the default theme
44 2013-06-12T11:33:33 <TheSheep> sharky93: but we can include improvements
45 2013-06-12T11:35:24 <sharky93> TheSheep, hmm.. by the default theme? you mean Modernized ? or do we need to re-create both the built-in themes?
46 2013-06-12T11:41:00 <sharky93> i mostly use FooBar, i feel it looks better
47 2013-06-12T11:46:39 <TheSheep> I don't have a preference
48 2013-06-12T11:47:04 <TheSheep> the looks would be different anyways
49 2013-06-12T11:47:58 <sharky93> i mean the layout of FooBar .. sidebars kind of are more intuitive.. but that's a personal opinion
50 2013-06-12T11:48:16 <sharky93> TheSheep, are we finalized with gumby ?
51 2013-06-12T11:57:15 <ThomasWaldmann> is the framework-check already finished?
52 2013-06-12T12:09:19 *** greg_f
53 2013-06-12T12:10:33 *** greg_f
54 2013-06-12T12:15:26 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: briefly, I didn't do any experiments yet
55 2013-06-12T12:25:54 *** brunomartin
56 2013-06-12T12:37:10 <sharky93> TheSheep, how should we be proceeding now then?
57 2013-06-12T12:37:19 <ThomasWaldmann> some research about them would be good, often other people already tried
58 2013-06-12T12:41:49 <TheSheep> sharky93: could you try making a static html page that looks like the default view?
59 2013-06-12T12:42:22 <TheSheep> sharky93: with gumby, purecss and maybe foundation
60 2013-06-12T12:44:52 <TheSheep> by the way
61 2013-06-12T12:44:55 <TheSheep> https://twitter.com/gumbycss/status/344221215159881728
62 2013-06-12T12:45:22 <sharky93> TheSheep, yes, they already released it yesterday
63 2013-06-12T12:45:38 <sharky93> TheSheep, adapting this http://imagebin.org/261113 ?
64 2013-06-12T12:48:03 <TheSheep> yes
65 2013-06-12T12:51:48 <TheSheep> looks like gumby is in a process for rapid growth now, maybe it would be wiser to defer decision after all
66 2013-06-12T12:54:53 * ThomasWaldmann bbl
67 2013-06-12T12:55:15 <sharky93> i perceived that as being an active community .. and we get good support
68 2013-06-12T12:56:11 <TheSheep> but that's a little like building on top of quicksands
69 2013-06-12T12:58:27 *** dave_largo
70 2013-06-12T13:00:36 <sharky93> TheSheep, what do we do then :P
71 2013-06-12T13:00:53 <sharky93> TheSheep, should i try with the static html page ?
72 2013-06-12T13:02:09 <TheSheep> sharky93: yes, try it, and see how hard it is with each of them
73 2013-06-12T13:09:23 <sharky93> TheSheep, how much time should i invest with this.. i mean initially it may be a bit difficult .. and then becomes easy.. how do i take that into account ?
74 2013-06-12T13:12:07 <sharky93> we would not want to invest too much time here if we plan not to use it :)
75 2013-06-12T13:43:40 <ThomasWaldmann> re
76 2013-06-12T13:45:05 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr: waldi: dreimark: (and whoever else might want to use the moinmo.in server): server will have a bit of downtime within the next few hours
77 2013-06-12T13:45:30 <ThomasWaldmann> we need to exchange a raid disk that has some defektive sectors
78 2013-06-12T13:46:35 * eSyr done it without downtime once
79 2013-06-12T13:46:53 <eSyr> hmmm, twice.
80 2013-06-12T13:46:58 <ThomasWaldmann> hotswap? :)
81 2013-06-12T13:46:58 <eSyr> anyway, good luck.
82 2013-06-12T13:47:23 <eSyr> yes, we're in sata/ahci world in for, like, 10 years!
83 2013-06-12T13:47:35 <eSyr> (not mentioning scsi)
84 2013-06-12T13:47:59 <ThomasWaldmann> (that server is rather powerful, but at the same time not too expensive, so I'ld rather not expect any hotswap frames)
85 2013-06-12T13:48:19 <eSyr> ah, hetzner?
86 2013-06-12T13:49:08 <ThomasWaldmann> yup
87 2013-06-12T13:49:41 * ThomasWaldmann added the question about hotswap to the ticket :)
88 2013-06-12T13:57:54 *** sharky93_
89 2013-06-12T14:11:22 *** sharky93_
90 2013-06-12T14:40:07 <sharky93> TheSheep, i'm trying out gumby.
91 2013-06-12T14:44:20 * ThomasWaldmann finally filed the server ticket after getting interrupted 3 times...
92 2013-06-12T14:53:08 <ronny> did you try pure.css?
93 2013-06-12T14:53:16 <ronny> (its the one i plan to try next)
94 2013-06-12T15:10:19 <sharky93> no haven't tried pure.css .. gumby appeared to be more complete so trying that out first
95 2013-06-12T15:26:32 <ThomasWaldmann> server is going down now...
96 2013-06-12T18:01:42 *** moinBot
97 2013-06-12T18:06:03 *** waldi_
98 2013-06-12T18:06:03 *** dreimark
99 2013-06-12T18:06:04 *** asingla
100 2013-06-12T18:06:04 *** eSyr-ng
101 2013-06-12T18:06:04 *** sunu
102 2013-06-12T18:06:11 *** dreimark_
103 2013-06-12T18:10:41 *** chitrank
104 2013-06-12T19:09:44 *** moinBot
105 2013-06-12T19:29:04 *** ana_ananasova
106 2013-06-12T19:45:12 *** ashutosh1461
107 2013-06-12T20:23:01 *** sharky93
108 2013-06-12T20:23:01 *** sharky93_
109 2013-06-12T20:24:12 *** ana_ananasova
110 2013-06-12T20:30:29 *** sharky|temp
111 2013-06-12T20:47:29 *** sharky|temp
112 2013-06-12T21:00:10 *** sharky|temp
113 2013-06-12T21:14:17 *** dave_largo
114 2013-06-12T21:50:58 *** xjjk
115 2013-06-12T21:56:24 *** xjjk
116 2013-06-12T21:59:25 *** ThomasWaldmann
117 2013-06-12T22:06:41 <ThomasWaldmann> re
118 2013-06-12T22:16:35 *** waldi
119 2013-06-12T22:16:46 *** waldi_
120 2013-06-12T22:16:48 *** waldi
121 2013-06-12T22:27:29 *** brunomartin
122 2013-06-12T23:23:40 <sharky|temp> ThomasWaldmann, i can now ssh, the port blocking is now fixed
123 2013-06-12T23:24:44 <sharky|temp> TheSheep, i built a very crude version using gumby.. was not able to develop that fully today, what do you think of it? @ http://web.iiit.ac.in/~rishabh.raj/gumby/my.html
124 2013-06-12T23:27:14 <TheSheep> needs work :)
125 2013-06-12T23:28:24 <sharky|temp> TheSheep, yep sure needs a lot of work :P ..
126 2013-06-12T23:28:39 <sharky|temp> TheSheep, but is this the direction in which we want to proceed?
127 2013-06-12T23:29:11 <TheSheep> sharky|temp: the question is not how it looks like, but how hard it is to get what we want using that framework
128 2013-06-12T23:35:13 <sharky|temp> TheSheep, from what i see now.. use of the framework provides only the basic backbone structure.. much of the nice things we see have to be applied on our own ..
129 2013-06-12T23:36:45 <sharky|temp> TheSheep, given that we already have a backbone .. i think it may be better to improvise on that like maybe as thomas had mentioned earlier .. (picking up areas like spacing, fonts, smooth transitions etc)
130 2013-06-12T23:36:50 <sharky|temp> TheSheep, what do you think?
131 2013-06-12T23:56:18 <ThomasWaldmann> I think he is counting sheep now. :)