1 2013-05-08T01:04:14 <sharky93> moin
2 2013-05-08T01:10:56 <sharky93> TheSheep, which part do you think would make it difficult for users ?
3 2013-05-08T02:38:58 <sharky93> imho, i have tried to develop ideas keeping not a single specific theme in mind just to keep in check theme based dependency. which is in a way related to what you mentioned
4 2013-05-08T02:39:00 <sharky93> TheSheep, ^
5 2013-05-08T03:05:11 *** chitrank
6 2013-05-08T04:03:08 *** pooryorick
7 2013-05-08T04:08:12 *** dwcramer
8 2013-05-08T04:15:26 *** sharky93
9 2013-05-08T04:23:47 *** sharky93
10 2013-05-08T05:00:27 *** pooryorick
11 2013-05-08T05:26:06 *** Gnarlodious
12 2013-05-08T05:27:23 *** Gnarlodious
13 2013-05-08T06:28:54 *** chitrank
14 2013-05-08T07:03:05 <sharky93> for #366, do we want to give the user a button to reset his file selection ?. On Chrome/Chromium it automatically resets the input field if we select "CANCEL" after clicking on "Choose File", but is not the case with Firefox.
15 2013-05-08T07:17:28 *** ashutosh1461
16 2013-05-08T07:48:41 *** eSyr_
17 2013-05-08T08:22:51 <TheSheep> sharky93: hey
18 2013-05-08T08:23:18 <sharky93> hi
19 2013-05-08T08:24:04 <sharky93> TheSheep, how are you
20 2013-05-08T08:26:18 *** greg_f
21 2013-05-08T08:27:16 <TheSheep> sharky93: so, I was thinking that some of your ideas, especially those that involve animated moving elements, would add considerable effort to making new themes
22 2013-05-08T08:28:08 <TheSheep> sharky93: because the creators of new themes would either need to use exactly the same layout, or reimplement that to work with their own layout
23 2013-05-08T08:29:56 <sharky93> TheSheep, all those elements would be a part of the wiki content
24 2013-05-08T08:30:44 <sharky93> TheSheep, the main content would remain the same for any theme ?
25 2013-05-08T08:31:11 <TheSheep> sharky93: well, except for the font, colors, size, spacing and icons...
26 2013-05-08T08:31:39 <TheSheep> sharky93: but I see what you mean, that will indeed make it easier
27 2013-05-08T08:31:54 <sharky93> TheSheep, yup
28 2013-05-08T08:32:34 <sharky93> TheSheep, i can clarify my ideas a bit more if you would like ?
29 2013-05-08T08:32:37 <TheSheep> another point, much harder, is: what about the users who have js disabled or blocked?
30 2013-05-08T08:34:20 <sharky93> yeah, that is a good point, i had been thinking about it. from what i experience i have had with JS heavy websites such as Facebook.. they simply point out that you it off and you are missing on such and such features.
31 2013-05-08T08:35:04 <TheSheep> it's fine to miss some fancy things, but I think that people should be able to do some basic things without js
32 2013-05-08T08:35:13 <TheSheep> for example, the history display must also work without js
33 2013-05-08T08:35:38 <TheSheep> it shouldn't be too hard, we just have to keep it in mind
34 2013-05-08T08:35:49 <sharky93> TheSheep, yeah, true
35 2013-05-08T09:13:00 *** spy__
36 2013-05-08T09:14:39 * sharky93 wonders if anyone on this channel goes by the nick "wim"
37 2013-05-08T09:14:59 *** spy_
38 2013-05-08T09:21:03 *** waldi
39 2013-05-08T09:21:03 *** sunu
40 2013-05-08T10:30:53 *** sunu
41 2013-05-08T10:30:53 *** waldi
42 2013-05-08T10:30:53 *** waldi
43 2013-05-08T11:22:20 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
44 2013-05-08T11:45:01 <ThomasWaldmann> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-news/internet/Government-can-now-snoop-on-your-SMSs-online-chats/articleshow/19932484.cms
45 2013-05-08T11:45:30 <ThomasWaldmann> ashutosh1461: sharky93: sunu: ^
46 2013-05-08T11:46:56 <ThomasWaldmann> http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/indias-big-brother-the-central-monitoring-system
47 2013-05-08T11:47:25 <ThomasWaldmann> (the stuff was covered in german news, links taken from there)
48 2013-05-08T12:07:09 <sunu> ThomasWaldmann: Yes, saw this on yesterday. The technology will most probably be used against political opponents rather than to detect terror threats :-/
49 2013-05-08T12:10:31 <sunu> This is invasion of personal privacy anyway.
50 2013-05-08T12:10:54 <ThomasWaldmann> looks like they want more ssl / gpg adoption :D
51 2013-05-08T12:12:10 <sunu> BTW one thing I wanted to know.. is it commont to have proxy in campus internet everywhere ?
52 2013-05-08T12:12:20 <sunu> Or it is just here ?
53 2013-05-08T12:12:27 <sunu> common*
54 2013-05-08T12:13:03 <ThomasWaldmann> well, proxies are useful for multiple things
55 2013-05-08T12:13:39 <sunu> We access the internet through an http proxy which blocks unwanted sites.
56 2013-05-08T12:14:08 <sunu> But it also makes using git, ssh, pip close to impossible :'(
57 2013-05-08T12:14:18 <ThomasWaldmann> you can control and monitor internet (web) access. you can also save some traffic and speedup things, if usage is more than your outbound bandwidth and most people access same stuff anyway.
58 2013-05-08T12:15:34 <ThomasWaldmann> so they block ssh / port 22?
59 2013-05-08T12:16:14 <sunu> I can't ssh at college.. so I think so.
60 2013-05-08T12:16:33 <ThomasWaldmann> can you connect to outside https sites directly?
61 2013-05-08T12:17:24 <sunu> No. That too is filtered. To connect to any site you first have to authenticate your self in the college network.
62 2013-05-08T12:18:31 <ThomasWaldmann> what do you mean by "authenticate your self in the college network"?
63 2013-05-08T12:20:01 <sunu> I mean there is a username/password combination given to each studen for the proxyt. To access internet you have to enter that first. Otherwise nothing is accessible.
64 2013-05-08T12:20:41 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, but if you authenticated before, can you use ssh / https then to outside world?
65 2013-05-08T12:21:12 <sunu> No
66 2013-05-08T12:21:56 *** brunomartin
67 2013-05-08T12:23:44 <sunu> Teaching new people to use git/pip is almost impossible with the proxy in place :-/
68 2013-05-08T12:24:02 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, i guess you should talk to your student association or IT department. getting that massively in the way of students just wanting to do some FOSS work isn't in the spirit of university education.
69 2013-05-08T12:24:29 <dreimark> sunu: is any connection blocked or only encrypted ?
70 2013-05-08T12:25:14 <ashutosh1461> moin
71 2013-05-08T12:25:24 <ThomasWaldmann> and usage of ssh / ssl is pretty much standard for security reasons nowadays
72 2013-05-08T12:26:16 <sunu> ssh is blocked. https connections are depending on the site.
73 2013-05-08T12:26:23 <sunu> dreimark: ^^
74 2013-05-08T12:27:03 <sunu> ThomasWaldmann: We are trying to get a connection without proxy for our software club and that effort is not going that well.
75 2013-05-08T12:28:19 <sunu> They think we don't have sufficient reasons for getting one.
76 2013-05-08T12:29:19 <ashutosh1461> sunu, same scenario in my institute, ssh/telnet .. to inside hosts are blocked, due to some security reasons, but some people do have brought there own vpn to bypass proxy.
77 2013-05-08T12:30:08 <ashutosh1461> mainly the DOTA players who want to play online :P
78 2013-05-08T12:30:41 <ThomasWaldmann> learning and practising collaboration with international sw projects, practising and extending IT, programming and communication skills is not sufficient?
79 2013-05-08T12:31:32 <ThomasWaldmann> then maybe ask them if ANYTHING is sufficient for a student.
80 2013-05-08T12:32:26 <sharky93> sunu, btw an easy solution could be "corkscrew" ?
81 2013-05-08T12:32:53 <ThomasWaldmann> and if they block ssh and telnet to inside hosts, they might have pretty bad security on these hosts :D
82 2013-05-08T12:34:31 <sunu> We are just using wifi hotspots of our phones, 3g dongles for now.
83 2013-05-08T12:35:50 <sharky93> you can tunnel ssh over http. it is easy
84 2013-05-08T12:36:19 <ThomasWaldmann> is 3g cheap enough for that?
85 2013-05-08T12:37:16 <ThomasWaldmann> (in germany it is not that cheap considering the slowness and limited volume you get for your money)
86 2013-05-08T12:38:00 <ThomasWaldmann> but what sharky is suggesting sounds good (never tried corkscrew, though)
87 2013-05-08T12:38:43 <ThomasWaldmann> sounds good means on a technical level. you need to know yourself what's allowed and what not. ;)
88 2013-05-08T12:38:48 <sharky93> :D
89 2013-05-08T12:38:56 <sunu> 4GB for ~300 rupees is neither too cheap nor too costly considering other options. But network coverage is not that good always.
90 2013-05-08T12:39:42 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann, what about the privacy laws in Germany ? . I was going through the link you shared.. I was not aware of the state of privacy laws in India :(
91 2013-05-08T12:39:45 <ThomasWaldmann> in germany, you get 0.3GB for 10 EUR :(
92 2013-05-08T12:40:13 <sunu> The problem is, there's a fair chance of getting caught and paying a hefty fine
93 2013-05-08T12:40:26 <sunu> Wow that's too costly.
94 2013-05-08T12:41:03 <sharky93> sunu, getting caught doing what ?.. are there strict rules defined for what is wrong ?
95 2013-05-08T12:41:05 <ThomasWaldmann> (to be precise: it is 0.3GB HSDPA and unlimited 2G)
96 2013-05-08T12:41:24 <ThomasWaldmann> (that's what they call "flatrate" here)
97 2013-05-08T12:42:22 <sunu> ThomasWaldmann: yes same here. But there's also a plans where you get unlimited 3g from 6-9 in the morning for free and I love that :D
98 2013-05-08T12:42:57 <ThomasWaldmann> sharky93: there are quite some laws in germany that should protect the citizens rights and privacy. nevertheless, some parts of government and executive are trying to get better surveillance all the time.
99 2013-05-08T12:44:18 <sunu> sharky93: I don't exctly know what the rules are, but basically it is what the person in charge decides.
100 2013-05-08T12:44:59 <sunu> A friend of mine got fined for using wikipedia during lab hours.
101 2013-05-08T12:46:01 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe a good start would be to allow connections (including ssh/ssl) to sites like bitbucket, github, pypi, freenode irc
102 2013-05-08T12:47:24 * ThomasWaldmann brb
103 2013-05-08T12:48:15 <sharky93> sunu, was it because it was wikipedia. or was it because it was lab hours ? :(
104 2013-05-08T12:52:24 <sunu> because it was lab hours. But still that wasn't reasonable as he was reading up on some algorith related to the lab topic.
105 2013-05-08T12:52:42 <sunu> Anyway. Be back later.
106 2013-05-08T13:11:38 <sharky93> ThomasWaldmann, how many slots did moin get this year ? :)
107 2013-05-08T13:45:22 <ThomasWaldmann> 5
108 2013-05-08T13:49:54 <sharky93> hmm.. one less than last year :( . did we request for lesser slots ?
109 2013-05-08T14:06:02 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: you get 1.5GB for 10EUR from ALDI per month
110 2013-05-08T14:07:52 <dreimark> sharky93: why ?
111 2013-05-08T14:08:08 <dreimark> we want as much as we can get
112 2013-05-08T14:18:57 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: aldi is eplus, right? so you have lots of traffic, but no reception or slow speed (no hsdpa).
113 2013-05-08T14:19:44 <ThomasWaldmann> sharky93: we requested 6, which was the maximum we could expect to mentor reasonably.
114 2013-05-08T14:24:28 <sharky93> i see
115 2013-05-08T14:24:54 <sharky93> are primary mentors for projects decided yet ? or rather are the projects finalized ?
116 2013-05-08T14:27:50 *** ashutosh1461
117 2013-05-08T14:37:49 *** dwcramer
118 2013-05-08T14:43:50 *** dwcramer
119 2013-05-08T15:34:54 <dreimark> btw. nothing is final yet
120 2013-05-08T16:04:37 *** dwcramer
121 2013-05-08T16:05:09 *** ashutosh1461
122 2013-05-08T16:53:24 *** dwcramer
123 2013-05-08T16:54:08 *** greg_f
124 2013-05-08T18:07:04 *** dwcramer
125 2013-05-08T18:36:32 *** dwcramer
126 2013-05-08T18:49:09 *** dwcramer
127 2013-05-08T19:53:31 *** desophos
128 2013-05-08T19:57:05 <ashutosh1461> ThomasWaldmann, please review, https://codereview.appspot.com/8709049/
129 2013-05-08T19:58:19 *** dwcramer
130 2013-05-08T21:01:02 <ThomasWaldmann> ashutosh1461: sharky93: sunu: btw, can you try hat works with ipv6 from your uni network?
131 2013-05-08T21:01:17 <ThomasWaldmann> what*
132 2013-05-08T21:03:26 <dreimark> re
133 2013-05-08T21:08:17 <ashutosh1461> ThomasWaldmann, at home now :) , vacations have started, and i think i don't think we have ipv6 facility all over india.
134 2013-05-08T21:08:58 <ashutosh1461> and i don't think* :P
135 2013-05-08T21:40:13 *** desophos
136 2013-05-08T22:15:32 * ashutosh1461 says gn :)
137 2013-05-08T22:15:40 *** ashutosh1461
138 2013-05-08T22:25:14 <dreimark> gn
139 2013-05-08T23:00:13 *** desophos
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