1 2012-09-30T00:14:05  <moinBot> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0/rev/8f5b56b2ce2e 2012-09-30 Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de>  some minor / cosmetic changes
   2 2012-09-30T00:21:07  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, looks like the only thing somehow blocking merging gae into default branch is that it needs whoosh-dev
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  14 2012-09-30T07:18:36  <xiaq> dreimark: replied
  15 2012-09-30T07:19:05  <xiaq> sunu: how did you know that? :) from my name?
  16 2012-09-30T07:21:27  <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: seems RepoMonitor is working fine :)
  17 2012-09-30T07:22:44  <xiaq> ah, one thing missing compared to CIA is that CIA gave colorized messages IIRC
  18 2012-09-30T07:25:38  <xiaq> Like this
  19 2012-09-30T07:27:51  <xiaq> a quick search reveals that irssi uses mIRC-style color codes as documented here http://irssi.org/documentation/formats and here http://www.mirc.com/colors.html
  20 2012-09-30T08:02:38  <dreimark> moin
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  22 2012-09-30T09:23:35  <dreimark> xiaq: replied
  23 2012-09-30T09:24:45  <xiaq> dreimark: the things plugins can be is better limited
  24 2012-09-30T09:25:13  <xiaq> dreimark: currently they can add new contenttypes to a predefined group (by registering)
  25 2012-09-30T09:25:30  <xiaq> i think adding the ability to create new groups would be sufficient
  26 2012-09-30T09:26:12  <xiaq> allowing plugins to remove entries from a group, redefine a group completely can make things a mess (consider two plugins trying to redefine the same group)
  27 2012-09-30T09:28:07  <xiaq> dreimark: and shipping Audio/Video/... Content's as plugins doesn't necessarily mean splitting the codebase does it :)
  28 2012-09-30T09:30:21  <dreimark> good point, that should not happen thant plugins redefine the same thing. so we have to limit that
  29 2012-09-30T09:30:57  <xiaq> for the OrderedDict proposal i'd wait for ThomasWaldmann to comment... i'm for it. :)
  30 2012-09-30T09:31:38  <dreimark> for shipping i am very unsure currently and i also currently want a decission
  31 2012-09-30T09:31:47  <dreimark> +no
  32 2012-09-30T09:33:27  <dreimark> in moin1 we have two layers for plugins, one with the MoinMoin/macro .. scope and the other with data/plugin
  33 2012-09-30T09:33:49  <dreimark> and a third with wikiconfig monkey patching stuff there
  34 2012-09-30T09:34:17  <dreimark> all that gives a very good flexibility
  35 2012-09-30T09:34:43  <dreimark> and we could be sure that users wants that flexibility
  36 2012-09-30T09:35:12  <dreimark> so whatever we have as next solution it must give more flexibility or keep the same
  37 2012-09-30T09:36:13  <xiaq> dreimark: ok, but perhaps it should be evaluated to not have "too much" flexibility :)
  38 2012-09-30T09:36:20  <dreimark> yes
  39 2012-09-30T09:37:46  <dreimark> no over engineering and no overkill
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  41 2012-09-30T13:40:31  * sunu is eating a bowl of chocolate icecream and hopes writing it here is nt considered spam :)
  42 2012-09-30T13:42:15  <sunu> xiaq: It was just the time you went to bed. It would be too early in the west, so you must be from the east.
  43 2012-09-30T13:50:57  <xiaq> sunu: ah :)
  44 2012-09-30T14:19:32  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
  45 2012-09-30T14:20:04  <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: yeah, RepoMonitor is nice and work :)
  46 2012-09-30T14:26:14  <sunu> ThomasWaldmann: Suggestion for something new to work on ? :)
  47 2012-09-30T14:27:54  <ThomasWaldmann> sunu: well, something related would be making a slim and a fat moin release archive
  48 2012-09-30T14:28:51  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, no, only the fat, the slim is already on pypi
  49 2012-09-30T14:28:58  <ThomasWaldmann> (or will be)
  50 2012-09-30T14:29:47  <ThomasWaldmann> fat means: moin2 + support stuff included
  51 2012-09-30T14:37:31  <sunu> ThomasWaldmann: Need to just make a archive of the stuff already there?
  52 2012-09-30T14:38:57  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe it could use the dist archive, unpack it to tmp location, add support, pack it together again
  53 2012-09-30T14:42:24  <sunu> couldn't get what dist archive mean :(
  54 2012-09-30T14:43:22  <ThomasWaldmann> run python setup.py sdist and look into dist/ afterwards
  55 2012-09-30T14:47:11  <sunu> ok.the code should go into Makefile ?
  56 2012-09-30T14:48:22  <ThomasWaldmann> if some shell script lines is all you need, yes
  57 2012-09-30T14:49:25  <sunu> and if i need python script ?
  58 2012-09-30T14:50:17  <ThomasWaldmann> you could make a new subdir in contrib/ maybe
  59 2012-09-30T14:51:04  <sunu> ok. let me get started :D
  60 2012-09-30T14:53:24  <sunu> ThomasWaldmann: where should the resulting archieve reside ? should it replace the archieve in dist/ ?
  61 2012-09-30T15:14:48  <ThomasWaldmann> you can have it also in dist/ under another, reasonable name
  62 2012-09-30T15:14:53  <ThomasWaldmann> sunu:
  63 2012-09-30T15:21:43  <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: i try to debug that whoosh bug
  64 2012-09-30T15:27:57  <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: ah nice :)
  65 2012-09-30T15:28:42  <ThomasWaldmann> looks like Or() is broken
  66 2012-09-30T15:29:03  <ThomasWaldmann> the individual terms give correct results
  67 2012-09-30T15:29:20  <ThomasWaldmann> it also doesn't depend on the order of the or-ed terms
  68 2012-09-30T15:30:06  <ThomasWaldmann> hah, 2.4.0 is even more broken
  69 2012-09-30T15:33:41  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, looks like any version is broken except 2.5-dev
  70 2012-09-30T15:35:33  <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: can you edit the issue you filed (the original post's text)?
  71 2012-09-30T15:38:08  <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: not yet, that depends on threaded comments which spy came up
  72 2012-09-30T15:38:44  <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: how are we going to do with the whoosh bug then?
  73 2012-09-30T15:39:32  <ThomasWaldmann> i meant on the whoosh issue tracker, not in moin's issue tracker :)
  74 2012-09-30T15:40:45  <ThomasWaldmann> (and about moin's issue tracking: i'ld suggest to first finish the very basic workflow before going into anything advanced)
  75 2012-09-30T15:40:53  <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: no, only the owner can...
  76 2012-09-30T15:41:06  <ThomasWaldmann> ok
  77 2012-09-30T15:41:18  <ThomasWaldmann> bb is a pain sometimes :|
  78 2012-09-30T15:41:32  <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: yeah. we came across this before didn't we :)
  79 2012-09-30T15:42:02  <ThomasWaldmann> i mean stuff like e.g. a status (open, closed, ...)
  80 2012-09-30T15:43:07  <ThomasWaldmann> about the whoosh bug: i'll try to fix it today. if i don't find it, matt will have to come to rescue.
  81 2012-09-30T15:44:23  <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: about ticket statuses, perhaps we can do with a string property "closed_for"
  82 2012-09-30T15:44:30  <xiaq> empty means open,
  83 2012-09-30T15:44:48  <xiaq> when it's closed you are free to put any reason there
  84 2012-09-30T15:46:51  <ThomasWaldmann> i would rather have reasons in the comments and status some discrete values
  85 2012-09-30T15:47:33  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe have a look at the etherpad, i think such stuff was already discussed maybe
  86 2012-09-30T15:49:58  <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: no we didn't discuss status specifically
  87 2012-09-30T15:57:46  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, then that should be done :)
  88 2012-09-30T15:59:58  <sunu> ThomasWaldmann: http://codereview.appspot.com/6593049 Review please :)
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  90 2012-09-30T16:30:14  <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: http://test.moinmo.in gives internal server error
  91 2012-09-30T16:32:01  <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: http://codereview.appspot.com/6589046
  92 2012-09-30T16:36:46  <xiaq> i removed priority since there is no real use of it now
  93 2012-09-30T16:41:32  <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: IE8 javascript / transclusion doublewrap bugfix ready for review:  http://codereview.appspot.com/6587044/
  94 2012-09-30T17:22:24  <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: i think there is a use for it
  95 2012-09-30T17:22:27  <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: http://codereview.appspot.com/6597048
  96 2012-09-30T17:22:32  <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: hm?
  97 2012-09-30T17:23:03  <ThomasWaldmann> priority is a managment decision involving the other properties and mayb other circumstances
  98 2012-09-30T17:23:38  <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: no it's not priority in tickets :)
  99 2012-09-30T17:23:53  <xiaq> it's priority in RegistryContent
 100 2012-09-30T17:25:07  <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: also, is there a reason it's named RegistryContent instead of ContentRegistry?
 101 2012-09-30T17:28:23  <ThomasWaldmann> check naming scheme at other places
 102 2012-09-30T17:31:14  <ThomasWaldmann> (and don't change naming schemes together with other changes)
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 104 2012-09-30T17:37:07  <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: yeah, ok
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 106 2012-09-30T17:43:49  <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: review done
 107 2012-09-30T17:44:00  <ThomasWaldmann> sunu: yours also, a while ago
 108 2012-09-30T17:44:22  <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: btw, i have a fix for whoosh, just reviewing it and adding tests
 109 2012-09-30T17:44:52  <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: ah, good
 110 2012-09-30T17:45:08  <ThomasWaldmann> looked like matt only had optimizing for the AND case in mind, but the method was also called for OR-like stuff
 111 2012-09-30T17:45:30  <ThomasWaldmann> and the code in 2.5 looks very different
 112 2012-09-30T17:58:05  <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: hm, did you miss http://codereview.appspot.com/6589046 ?
 113 2012-09-30T17:58:38  <xiaq> and i just updated http://codereview.appspot.com/6597048 (comments and new patch set)
 114 2012-09-30T18:13:05  <ThomasWaldmann> hi RogerHaase
 115 2012-09-30T18:13:34  <RogerHaase> moin:)
 116 2012-09-30T18:15:16  <ThomasWaldmann> someone uploaded not decodable data
 117 2012-09-30T18:15:21  <ThomasWaldmann> i reverted it
 118 2012-09-30T18:15:39  <ThomasWaldmann> (we need to activate validation and better error handling)
 119 2012-09-30T18:23:33  <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: review done
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 121 2012-09-30T18:52:26  <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: registering multiple entries for the same content_type sounds weird
 122 2012-09-30T18:56:34  <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: in the case of converters there is a use case - the pygments converter is assigned low priority because it has an expensive factory which needs to check whether provided input contenttype is handable by pygments
 123 2012-09-30T18:57:39  <xiaq> even in that case i guess current implementation of priority is not an ideal solution, since it breaks the natural ordering by mimetype super-sub relationship
 124 2012-09-30T18:58:49  <xiaq> since pygments_in is given a lower priority (PRIORITY_MIDDLE + 1), text_in.py which handles text/* inputs and everything.py handling */* have to be assigned even lower priority..
 125 2012-09-30T19:11:12  <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: hmm, fixing is a bit harder than expected.
 126 2012-09-30T19:12:28  <ThomasWaldmann> (i mean whoosh)
 127 2012-09-30T19:14:06  <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: pushed double wrapping of transcluded objects to https://RogerHaase@bitbucket.org/RogerHaase/moin-2.0
 128 2012-09-30T19:18:24  <moinBot> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0/rev/d9429dafe608 2012-09-30 Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com>  _ui_tests: skip if wiki server is not running
 129 2012-09-30T19:21:20  <dreimark> xiaq: is highlighting more than a representation ?
 130 2012-09-30T19:21:43  <xiaq> dreimark: what highlighting?
 131 2012-09-30T19:21:52  <dreimark> it could be also that the contenttype of those is always text/plain
 132 2012-09-30T19:22:06  <dreimark> and the view is done by pygments highlighting
 133 2012-09-30T19:22:35  <dreimark> xiaq: highlighting is done by pygments
 134 2012-09-30T19:22:52  <xiaq> dreimark: hm, don't quite get it
 135 2012-09-30T19:23:07  <dreimark> http://test.moinmo.in/%2Bhighlight/Home
 136 2012-09-30T19:25:05  <dreimark> http://test.moinmo.in/%2Bhighlight/python is the same as on looking at http://test.moinmo.in/python
 137 2012-09-30T19:25:12  <dreimark> besides the title
 138 2012-09-30T19:25:20  <xiaq> dreimark: no, +highlight calls the pygments converter directly thus bypassing the registry totally
 139 2012-09-30T19:26:09  <dreimark> hmm, yes, won't work what i thought was we could store those as text
 140 2012-09-30T19:26:12  * xiaq is thinking about the use of priority in the converter registry
 141 2012-09-30T19:26:18  <dreimark> and use the view for highlighting
 142 2012-09-30T19:26:32  <dreimark> but that needs more meta
 143 2012-09-30T19:27:33  <dreimark> or another meta entry about what it is
 144 2012-09-30T19:28:19  <xiaq> dreimark: hm? :) didn't quite get it again
 145 2012-09-30T19:29:13  <dreimark> currently the interface has only   python code
 146 2012-09-30T19:29:25  <dreimark> for creating an item of that contenttype
 147 2012-09-30T19:29:39  <xiaq> dreimark: which contenttype?
 148 2012-09-30T19:30:00  <dreimark>   "contenttype": "text/x-python;charset=utf-8",
 149 2012-09-30T19:30:49  <dreimark> one of the questions i have is if we should have all pygments has
 150 2012-09-30T19:31:20  <dreimark> s/interface/user interface/
 151 2012-09-30T19:32:49  <dreimark> or if we should change that to only store them as text/plain and have a repr meta entry for using pygments
 152 2012-09-30T19:33:11  <dreimark> if someone wants it highlighted by transclusion
 153 2012-09-30T19:33:50  <xiaq> (continuing my thoughts about use of priority in converter registry) assigning a lower priority (bigger value) doesn't really work for pygments_in after all, the ordering based on type_input and type_output is enough. what is really needed is to put pygments_in *before* the fallback text_in explicitly instead of *after* anything explicitly...
 154 2012-09-30T19:33:59  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: you can just create it as text/plain and then edit the metadata and change contenttype to the real one
 155 2012-09-30T19:34:36  <dreimark> i know. i am thinking on how to do transclusions. currently it is only show
 156 2012-09-30T19:34:54  <dreimark> but it could also be meta, highlight, raw etc be wanted
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 160 2012-09-30T19:36:59  <dreimark> and because hightlight can show any source by pygments I wonder why we have a special item for python
 161 2012-09-30T19:37:34  <dreimark> and not just a meta entry that if highligted it should do it with pygments-python
 162 2012-09-30T19:38:17  <dreimark> highlight for images could be a thumbnail, for videos a preview
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 164 2012-09-30T19:41:35  <dreimark> currently highlight is only a method of contenttype text/*
 165 2012-09-30T19:42:57  <dreimark> or it should become it
 166 2012-09-30T19:43:10  <dreimark> until we have something for others
 167 2012-09-30T19:48:30  <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: my thoughts about use of priority dumped: http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin-priority-in-registry
 168 2012-09-30T20:15:42  * dreimark files some issues
 169 2012-09-30T20:17:00  * xiaq goes to bed, gn :)
 170 2012-09-30T20:17:15  <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: see line 29 of http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin-priority-in-registry
 171 2012-09-30T20:20:28  <dreimark> htg
 172 2012-09-30T20:20:29  <dreimark> bbl
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 175 2012-09-30T20:38:09  <sunu> ThomasWaldmann: http://codereview.appspot.com/6593049/ updated
 176 2012-09-30T20:38:48  <sunu> ThomasWaldmann: btw  sorry for the delay. went to see the match.
 177 2012-09-30T20:51:14  <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: added some comments to the EP
 178 2012-09-30T20:56:53  <ThomasWaldmann> sunu: review done
 179 2012-09-30T20:57:40  <ThomasWaldmann> sunu: btw, do you know bumblebee?
 180 2012-09-30T21:00:49  <ThomasWaldmann> http://mattblr.tumblr.com/post/6714096060/bumblebee-fixes-an-important-bug
 181 2012-09-30T21:12:34  <sunu> ThomasWaldmann: no idea what that is.
 182 2012-09-30T21:15:04  <ThomasWaldmann> rm -r gone wrong :)
 183 2012-09-30T21:15:29  <ThomasWaldmann> pity, i could not find the respective issue on their tracker any more
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 185 2012-09-30T21:17:44  <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: still cannot get svgweb to run on IE8:  http://test.moinmo.in/svgweb-on-IE8
 186 2012-09-30T21:18:16  <RogerHaase> ... but even autoscroll works on FF 3.6.10
 187 2012-09-30T21:22:59  <sunu> ThomasWaldmann: http://codereview.appspot.com/6593049/ updated
 188 2012-09-30T21:24:17  <sunu> ThomasWaldmann: Oh they deleted the entire usr directory... haha funny :D
 189 2012-09-30T21:26:31  <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: it shows some access denied
 190 2012-09-30T21:27:05  <ThomasWaldmann> is it because you directly open it in the fs instead of via a web server?
 191 2012-09-30T21:33:43  <RogerHaase> possible with that example, but I have tried many variations with a web server.  A consistent result is that when the svgweb js is loaded there is a js error somewhere.
 192 2012-09-30T21:40:36  <sunu> ThomasWaldmann: http://codereview.appspot.com/6593049/ updated
 193 2012-09-30T21:42:58  <RogerHaase> Note that I opened an svgweb issue for IE9 as well:  https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/issue/256/svgjs-script-error-error-on-ie9
 194 2012-09-30T21:43:36  <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: http://code.google.com/p/svgweb/issues/detail?id=375 is it related to that?
 195 2012-09-30T21:46:04  <RogerHaase> But IE9 works (afaik) with a 13 month patch that has not made it into the svgweb repo.
 196 2012-09-30T21:47:42  <ThomasWaldmann> well, i have no idea. do what you find is best.
 197 2012-09-30T21:48:02  <RogerHaase> On IE8 my test variations included not loading common.js and not loading jquery.min.js, and there are still js errors
 198 2012-09-30T21:52:36  <ThomasWaldmann> so the question is: not support IE8? remove svgweb? what will we lose?
 199 2012-09-30T21:53:55  <RogerHaase> To keep IE9 happy, we must load the patched version of svg.js and to keep IE8 happy svg.js must not be loaded.  The only upside to loading svg.js that I have seen is that both FF 3.6.10 and IE9 display those js script generated svg's.
 200 2012-09-30T21:55:34  <RogerHaase> svgweb does not work with IE7 either, but there are no js errors.  (working on downloading the file based test now)
 201 2012-09-30T21:55:43  <ThomasWaldmann> what happens on IE9 and ff36 if we don't use svgweb?
 202 2012-09-30T21:56:54  <RogerHaase> the "<script type="image/svg+xml"> ..... " do not display anything
 203 2012-09-30T21:57:59  <ThomasWaldmann> script? we can use object or img.
 204 2012-09-30T21:58:17  * ThomasWaldmann doesn't really remember all that svgweb stuff, too long ago
 205 2012-09-30T22:00:13  <RogerHaase> I pulled the script stuff from the svgweb user manual:  http://test.moinmo.in/svgweb-on-IE8 source under <h2> script 1...
 206 2012-09-30T22:05:33  <ThomasWaldmann> does ie9 does the standards-conform version with object?
 207 2012-09-30T22:05:39  <ThomasWaldmann> do*
 208 2012-09-30T22:05:53  <RogerHaase> yes
 209 2012-09-30T22:06:18  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, the we could just rip out svgweb and generate that, right?
 210 2012-09-30T22:06:42  <ThomasWaldmann> (and commit with a commit comment outlining all the issues)
 211 2012-09-30T22:08:52  <RogerHaase> Or I was thinking leave it and comment out the svg.js script statement with a TODO comment.  If we found a use for svgweb we could convert to a conditional load.
 212 2012-09-30T22:10:16  <RogerHaase> Or better, maybe svgweb will get an update.  Seems lightly maintained as every IE9 user must see the error I see.
 213 2012-09-30T22:11:00  <ThomasWaldmann> ok. if you have time, you could check their issue tracker and file stuff if it is missing there.
 214 2012-09-30T22:13:13  <RogerHaase> ok, will do and then submit a cr
 215 2012-09-30T22:22:26  <sunu> ThomasWaldmann: Time for bed. good night. btw http://codereview.appspot.com/6593049/ this needs a review
 216 2012-09-30T22:22:54  <ThomasWaldmann> gn sunu
 217 2012-09-30T22:27:24  <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: ok, thanks!
 218 2012-09-30T22:31:55  <ThomasWaldmann> hah! i guess i found a wrong unit test. and it fails now after i fixed the code. :D
 219 2012-09-30T22:32:01  <ThomasWaldmann> (in whoosh)
 220 2012-09-30T22:35:21  <sunu> ThomasWaldmann: The distpackage generated by setup.py sdist doen't have moin.py ?
 221 2012-09-30T22:36:14  <ThomasWaldmann> oh :) well, it is not needed in the dist package, but needed when running standalone
 222 2012-09-30T22:36:25  <ThomasWaldmann> so, copy it
 223 2012-09-30T22:40:35  <sunu> ImportError: No module named pytest
 224 2012-09-30T22:41:56  <sunu> ThomasWaldmann:
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 226 2012-09-30T23:03:06  <ThomasWaldmann> sunu: if you want me to look at it, i need the full traceback
 227 2012-09-30T23:31:24  <dreimark> RogerHaase: is the test.moinmo.in working for IE8 or not?
 228 2012-09-30T23:32:40  <dreimark> i mean have you an svg there which did not work with svgweb?
 229 2012-09-30T23:33:31  <RogerHaase> dreimark:  there is a javascript error unrelated to svg.  A fix is on my repo.
 230 2012-09-30T23:34:22  <RogerHaase> re. svgweb, I could get nothing working on IE8 and svg.js broke all javascript so not much of anything worked.
 231 2012-09-30T23:35:46  <RogerHaase> svgweb is also broken on IE7, could get no svg images to display, but no js errors.  IE9 also has js error when svg.js loaded.
 232 2012-09-30T23:38:25  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: i guess you looked for https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee-Old-and-abbandoned/commit/a047be85247755cdbe0acce6
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 234 2012-09-30T23:43:34  <dreimark> RogerHaase: http://test.moinmo.in/SVGTEST
 235 2012-09-30T23:43:49  <dreimark> this is an example from svgweb itselfs
 236 2012-09-30T23:49:32  <dreimark> ok, have the same issue there also with svgedit
 237 2012-09-30T23:54:36  <RogerHaase> IE9 looks OK, but throws error:  http://test.moinmo.in/SVGTEST-IE9;  IE7 and IE8 will not run with this fix:  http://test.moinmo.in/SVGTEST-IE9
 238 2012-09-30T23:55:27  <RogerHaase> ...oops, this fix:  http://codereview.appspot.com/6554072/diff/18002/MoinMoin/templates/common.js
 239 2012-09-30T23:56:24  <RogerHaase> with/without
 240 2012-09-30T23:58:07  <dreimark> can you look at svg drawing too that usually should work too

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