MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2012-07-19

   1 2012-07-19T00:01:02  <jaiditya> no actually what I mean to say is a user like to use mofify view on double click...but if he wants to modify he would click on content area not the side panels
   2 2012-07-19T00:02:01  <jaiditya> but in current situation even if I double click on side panels it would open the modify view
   3 2012-07-19T00:02:25  <jaiditya> I personally don't like it
   4 2012-07-19T00:07:26  <RogerHaase> there is a js function that applies doubleclick to the body tag.  OK with me if you change it to #moin-content.  Maybe someone else has an opinion?
   5 2012-07-19T00:09:44  <jaiditya> yeah I think I should have opinion of others also before changinh
   6 2012-07-19T00:09:53  <jaiditya> changing*
   7 2012-07-19T00:12:00  <jaiditya> RogerHaase: how to view ".moin-table-of-contents"
   8 2012-07-19T00:12:40  <jaiditya> I was comparing css code with modernized theme and found this clss
   9 2012-07-19T00:12:49  <jaiditya> class*
  10 2012-07-19T00:15:00  <RogerHaase> add <<TableOfContents>> to the top of the page (or near the top), plus your page must have 1 or more headings.
  11 2012-07-19T00:29:06  <RogerHaase> gtg
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  13 2012-07-19T00:36:14  <jaiditya> gn
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  21 2012-07-19T09:16:30  <dreimark> jaiditya doubleclick modify only in content area not at sidebars
  22 2012-07-19T09:17:24  <dreimark> i have no idea which line the cursor is if you click in side panel
  23 2012-07-19T09:18:11  <dreimark> usually u want cursor position to edit where you double click
  24 2012-07-19T09:18:40  <jaiditya> yeah...thats what I had in my mind
  25 2012-07-19T09:19:19  <jaiditya> I think its better to change it
  26 2012-07-19T09:19:27  <jaiditya> I'll just do that
  27 2012-07-19T09:19:31  <dreimark> yeah
  28 2012-07-19T09:21:04  <jaiditya> done
  29 2012-07-19T09:22:39  <jaiditya> dreimark: how about using a li:hover color for the side panels like this https://dl.dropbox.com/u/43518659/new-home-view.jpg
  30 2012-07-19T09:29:55  <dreimark> jaiditya looks great
  31 2012-07-19T09:30:28  * dreimark has to get some breakfast
  32 2012-07-19T09:30:31  <dreimark> bbl
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  34 2012-07-19T10:13:25  <xiaq> from http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin-render-method line 27:
  35 2012-07-19T10:13:34  <xiaq> view_method - is this maybe a misnomer and should be some "highlevel item type"?
  36 2012-07-19T10:14:06  <xiaq> just call it "itemtype"? make another ep for that?
  37 2012-07-19T10:16:41  <xiaq> (since ep doesn't support renaming...)
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  41 2012-07-19T11:31:46  <dreimark> xiaq I don't think so. item creation of data and meta is not more special than on any other item. the different views  or rendermethods make the difference
  42 2012-07-19T11:43:28  <xiaq> dreimark: modify of "special"-type items (ticket, blogpost) ARE different - different metadata editor, even different way to modify data (eg. ticket items' data are append-only). since creation also uses the same +modify, their creation IS special.
  43 2012-07-19T11:48:24  <dreimark> there are also usecases where you have only append for wiki items
  44 2012-07-19T11:48:41  <dreimark> e.g. look at the irc log importer
  45 2012-07-19T11:50:34  <dreimark> we need to define atomic operations per item and not too specialized for only one type
  46 2012-07-19T11:50:47  <xiaq> dreimark: sounds interesting. how does the irc importer operate now? i guess it uses some rpc api instead of the web ui?
  47 2012-07-19T11:53:18  <xiaq> perhaps have an itemtype "appendonly" and have "ticket" inherit from that
  48 2012-07-19T11:54:30  <dreimark> in 1.9 we have a cli script integrated into the moin command
  49 2012-07-19T11:55:55  <dreimark> somehow this appendonly sounds like a priviledge, similar to read, write, create
  50 2012-07-19T11:57:15  <dreimark> appendonly can be also like a acl function, because user in some cases does not need read right for appending
  51 2012-07-19T11:58:21  <xiaq> dreimark: ah, is there anything similiar already in moin2? :)
  52 2012-07-19T11:58:53  <dreimark> superuser is now such a function
  53 2012-07-19T12:00:24  <xiaq> dreimark: better make "append" another privilege IMO
  54 2012-07-19T12:03:14  <dreimark> notextcha too, see docs
  55 2012-07-19T12:04:50  <dreimark> thinking on that too, we have to define what is an atomic operation
  56 2012-07-19T12:05:59  <dreimark> we removed revert, because that is read and write too.
  57 2012-07-19T12:06:49  <dreimark> currently i think append is although one can read and write a differrent thingie
  58 2012-07-19T12:07:32  <dreimark> lets wait for thomaswaldmann ^^
  59 2012-07-19T12:07:51  <xiaq> dreimark: where is atomicity important for moin?
  60 2012-07-19T12:09:24  <dreimark> somehow our rules are based on fs level operations e.g. fileaccess with acls
  61 2012-07-19T12:10:23  <dreimark> usually the posix access model covers lots of the operations we also have
  62 2012-07-19T12:11:37  <dreimark> we try not to overengineer some of the rules but also want it flexibel
  63 2012-07-19T12:13:42  <jaiditya> dreimark: just a silly doubt Metedata list elements should not have hover background color. right?
  64 2012-07-19T12:14:47  <dreimark> as append is also a file io operation i think we should add it to the security model
  65 2012-07-19T12:15:13  <xiaq> dreimark: yeah. and it makes a lot of sense...
  66 2012-07-19T12:16:15  <dreimark> jaiditya yes, because metadata will get widgets
  67 2012-07-19T12:16:38  <dreimark> no hover therefore
  68 2012-07-19T12:16:55  <jaiditya> ok. thanks
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  70 2012-07-19T13:45:40  <dreimark> bbl
  71 2012-07-19T13:46:15  <xiaq> everyone concerned with render-method: http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin-itemtype
  72 2012-07-19T13:46:22  <xiaq> and this: http://moinmo.in/GoogleSoc2012/IssueTracker/2012-07-19
  73 2012-07-19T13:46:33  <xiaq> spy: ^^
  74 2012-07-19T13:46:36  <xiaq> dreimark: ^^
  75 2012-07-19T13:46:38  <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: ^^
  76 2012-07-19T13:47:17  * xiaq going out (for ~2h), will check irc when back
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  84 2012-07-19T17:12:03  <breton> moin
  85 2012-07-19T18:41:58  <dreimark> hi breton
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  87 2012-07-19T18:47:05  <dreimark> bbl
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  92 2012-07-19T21:38:29  <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: ok, now we have 2 etherpads and one svg drawing. can we just stay at one place, please?
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