1 2012-07-14T00:04:06 *** RogerHaase
2 2012-07-14T00:11:59 *** dcramer_
3 2012-07-14T00:39:10 *** spy
4 2012-07-14T00:58:05 *** dcramer_
5 2012-07-14T01:17:08 *** dcramer_
6 2012-07-14T01:29:46 *** dcramer_
7 2012-07-14T07:58:10 *** dcramer_
8 2012-07-14T08:55:27 <dreimark> moin
9 2012-07-14T10:22:05 *** josep2
10 2012-07-14T12:47:28 *** spy
11 2012-07-14T12:49:02 *** jaiditya
12 2012-07-14T12:51:18 *** josep2
13 2012-07-14T13:17:12 *** jaiditya
14 2012-07-14T13:26:43 *** jaiditya
15 2012-07-14T14:11:41 *** xiaq
16 2012-07-14T14:13:02 * xiaq currently on mobile, cannot guarantee connectivity at time of today's meeting :(
17 2012-07-14T14:13:56 * xiaq wants to start first if possible
18 2012-07-14T14:48:36 *** jaiditya
19 2012-07-14T15:02:04 <xiaq> meeting time?
20 2012-07-14T15:03:15 <ThomasWaldmann> yup
21 2012-07-14T15:03:23 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: you're first :)
22 2012-07-14T15:03:40 *** jaiditya
23 2012-07-14T15:04:36 <xiaq> LAST: (i've been on a trip during the past week, so not much) looked at whoosh doc,,,,, getting back to render-method stuff
24 2012-07-14T15:04:59 <xiaq> BLOCKER: none
25 2012-07-14T15:06:48 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, that really was not much, at least when looking at stuff noted in diary.
26 2012-07-14T15:07:38 <xiaq> NEXT: get the reference properties done, publish +ticket code, start up on issue index, discuss render-method things
27 2012-07-14T15:08:23 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe as a general note to all students: in first half of soc, we handled time commitment rather relaxed, as most of you had university stuff to do and also told us about that before.
28 2012-07-14T15:09:42 <ThomasWaldmann> in second half, you all should really work full time on your project, we hope you are motivated enough now after getting midterm results.
29 2012-07-14T15:10:01 <xiaq> a/me has awful connectivity
30 2012-07-14T15:10:21 <xiaq> s/^a//
31 2012-07-14T15:11:31 <ThomasWaldmann> (and please all of you keep an eye on timeline, midterm is not quite in the middle, only 4w left)
32 2012-07-14T15:11:36 <xiaq> i'm finishing the trip and getting home the day after tomorrow. i'll pick up my work soon
33 2012-07-14T15:12:48 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, was there anything additional to your last pull request?
34 2012-07-14T15:13:05 * ThomasWaldmann got a bit distracted due to europython and catching up at work afterwards
35 2012-07-14T15:13:11 <xiaq> no, just what was sent in to cr
36 2012-07-14T15:13:47 <ThomasWaldmann> so there was not todo open?
37 2012-07-14T15:13:50 <ThomasWaldmann> no*
38 2012-07-14T15:14:58 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: are you with us? any questions?
39 2012-07-14T15:15:08 <jaiditya> sorry to interrupt but I'd like to be next as not certain till when I'll have internet
40 2012-07-14T15:15:15 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
41 2012-07-14T15:15:21 <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: ^
42 2012-07-14T15:15:25 <bretonium> err
43 2012-07-14T15:15:26 <bretonium> sorry
44 2012-07-14T15:15:31 <bretonium> am I late?
45 2012-07-14T15:15:39 <ThomasWaldmann> late, but not too late
46 2012-07-14T15:16:28 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, looks like no more questions for xiaq. thanks xiaq, next is jaiditya.
47 2012-07-14T15:16:43 <jaiditya> LAST: Worked on bugs of foobar (sorry was a bit slow this week as moved back to college so was a bit tired and didn't have proper internet connection)
48 2012-07-14T15:16:43 <jaiditya> BLOCKER: None
49 2012-07-14T15:16:43 <jaiditya> NEXT: Resolve bugs of foobar and move further with modernized theme styling
50 2012-07-14T15:17:21 <ThomasWaldmann> is you internet fixed now? sounded a bit like it is still unstable?
51 2012-07-14T15:18:31 <jaiditya> yeah...I have arranged a 2G connection for a while...but not sure about its network
52 2012-07-14T15:19:19 <ThomasWaldmann> uuh, 2g slowness
53 2012-07-14T15:19:37 <ThomasWaldmann> there are still quite some bugs open on your issue tracker
54 2012-07-14T15:20:33 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, did you resolve that issue with the fonts looking bad on textured background?
55 2012-07-14T15:20:34 <jaiditya> yeah I have worked on each one of them, infact few of them have been resolved but not able to update the tracker
56 2012-07-14T15:21:41 <ThomasWaldmann> well, update it asap
57 2012-07-14T15:21:50 <jaiditya> actually there was no font on textured background...
58 2012-07-14T15:22:37 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, but it looked like :) i did not make a magnification though, but the borders of the characters didn't look smooth.
59 2012-07-14T15:23:13 <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: are you with us?
60 2012-07-14T15:24:09 <jaiditya> I discussed that with RogerHaase
61 2012-07-14T15:24:09 <jaiditya> he had some uncommited changes from my repo
62 2012-07-14T15:24:10 <jaiditya> which generated the false output
63 2012-07-14T15:24:24 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, looks like he missed the meeting. anyone else having something for jaiditya?
64 2012-07-14T15:24:36 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, ok
65 2012-07-14T15:25:44 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, just try to use the wiki, have a click-through and think about improvements. you can also collect feedback from friends and family about such stuff like colours, looks etc.
66 2012-07-14T15:25:48 <jaiditya> I'll ask him for a meeting as soon as he possible
67 2012-07-14T15:26:34 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, anyone else in a hurry?
68 2012-07-14T15:26:39 <eSyr-ng> ThomasWaldmann: colors are not important. UI is.
69 2012-07-14T15:27:00 <bretonium> let me
70 2012-07-14T15:27:20 <ThomasWaldmann> colours are part of overall impression. i got quite some feedback on that black...
71 2012-07-14T15:27:45 <ThomasWaldmann> of course one can always change that, but now is the right time to do that.
72 2012-07-14T15:28:37 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, if there's nothing else for jaiditya, thanks to jaiditya, bretonium your stage.
73 2012-07-14T15:28:44 <bretonium> LAST: branches, posted them on the bitbucket; worked on userheads.
74 2012-07-14T15:28:44 <bretonium> BLOCKERS: None
75 2012-07-14T15:28:46 <bretonium> NEXT: finish userheads, start merging. I planned to do it last week, but finishing branches and userheads took longer than I planned. But now I have a full free week.
76 2012-07-14T15:28:51 <bretonium> Concerning situation with (in)visible progress. The problem is that I have to change existing functions, not to write new ones. And a change to a function leads to absolutely broken state. What should I do about it?
77 2012-07-14T15:29:51 <ThomasWaldmann> well, you can try to make smaller incremental changes not breaking stuff
78 2012-07-14T15:30:12 <bretonium> for example
79 2012-07-14T15:30:42 <bretonium> a second
80 2012-07-14T15:30:48 <bretonium> I will provide one
81 2012-07-14T15:31:42 <ThomasWaldmann> was there a codereview of the stuff committed 4d ago?
82 2012-07-14T15:31:43 <bretonium> indexing Item.__getitm__
83 2012-07-14T15:32:25 <bretonium> *getitem
84 2012-07-14T15:32:40 <bretonium> it is used everywhere
85 2012-07-14T15:33:17 <ThomasWaldmann> so?
86 2012-07-14T15:33:31 <bretonium> no, wasn't. because of the pip issue, where I had to commit non-working example to save the progress
87 2012-07-14T15:33:46 <bretonium> so, when I change it, I have to fix it everywhere.
88 2012-07-14T15:34:03 <bretonium> find where it is used
89 2012-07-14T15:34:14 <bretonium> and fix all the layers above.
90 2012-07-14T15:35:08 <ThomasWaldmann> i don't see how pip is related to codereview. and if you could commit the stuff i think upload.py or hg diff should have worked also.
91 2012-07-14T15:36:12 <ThomasWaldmann> anyway, if you don't put stuff on codereview, there won't be codereview. it is just too much pain talking about code without that.
92 2012-07-14T15:36:54 <ThomasWaldmann> i still don't understand what your problem is.
93 2012-07-14T15:38:57 <bretonium> err, let me explain a bit later. I am through the phone now, will be near the computer in ~2h.
94 2012-07-14T15:39:13 <bretonium> or in the end of the meeting
95 2012-07-14T15:39:16 <ThomasWaldmann> why is it broken? why do you have to "fix everywhere"? go to the root cause of the issue and ask clear questions.
96 2012-07-14T15:39:31 <ThomasWaldmann> ok. anything less difficult for now?
97 2012-07-14T15:39:37 <bretonium> no.
98 2012-07-14T15:39:58 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, that somewhat sounds like a blocker. but we'll have to see.
99 2012-07-14T15:40:19 <ThomasWaldmann> did you cleanup the etherpad meanwhile?
100 2012-07-14T15:41:18 <ThomasWaldmann> is 2d this week correct? (see diary)
101 2012-07-14T15:41:45 <bretonium> err, I will. I didn't know that I should.
102 2012-07-14T15:42:01 <bretonium> I have not posted todays yet. and tomorrows.
103 2012-07-14T15:42:54 <bretonium> those 2 days are correct.
104 2012-07-14T15:42:56 <ThomasWaldmann> well, you should try to be clear about what you are implementing. a clear vision on etherpad helps with that.
105 2012-07-14T15:43:27 <bretonium> I suggest to make a ep session to day and point out all unclear things.
106 2012-07-14T15:43:44 <bretonium> *today.
107 2012-07-14T15:43:51 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, it currently looks like we need to readjust goals for your project (we talked about this in mentor meeting)
108 2012-07-14T15:44:35 <bretonium> hm, ok.
109 2012-07-14T15:45:06 <ThomasWaldmann> as the local / fundamental stuff is a bit more complex than expected, I guess there won't be time for remote/network functionality.
110 2012-07-14T15:45:25 <bretonium> but I'd suggest to do it next week.
111 2012-07-14T15:45:32 <ThomasWaldmann> but as the basic principles are the same anyway...
112 2012-07-14T15:46:00 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, any other questions for bretonium ?
113 2012-07-14T15:46:27 <bretonium> I will dedicate next week to gsoc for 100%, and suggest to look at the productivity
114 2012-07-14T15:46:35 <bretonium> *to habe a look
115 2012-07-14T15:46:39 <bretonium> *have.
116 2012-07-14T15:46:49 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
117 2012-07-14T15:48:50 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, daniel (dasich) is not with us today and won't finish his project.
118 2012-07-14T15:49:03 <ThomasWaldmann> (at least not within SOC2012)
119 2012-07-14T15:49:35 <ThomasWaldmann> so, MaikuMori is next. thanks to bretonium.
120 2012-07-14T15:50:06 <ThomasWaldmann> MaikuMori: eSyr-ng: esyr: are you with us?
121 2012-07-14T15:50:23 <eSyr-ng> yes.
122 2012-07-14T15:52:05 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, MaikuMori seems to be away. eSyr-ng: anything you want to tell?
123 2012-07-14T15:52:52 <eSyr-ng> mmm, i think, nothing special.
124 2012-07-14T15:53:40 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, spy: dreimark: are you with us?
125 2012-07-14T15:53:55 <spy> ThomasWaldmann: yes
126 2012-07-14T15:54:07 <spy> LAST: worked on metadata editor most for +modify blog entry page. Started to implement view_method idea.
127 2012-07-14T15:54:08 <spy> BLOCKERS: review of xiaq's forms refactoring
128 2012-07-14T15:54:10 <spy> NEXT: complete the metadata editor and view_method implementation for all kind of items.
129 2012-07-14T15:54:36 <ThomasWaldmann> spy: you mean the pending pull request?
130 2012-07-14T15:55:38 <spy> ThomasWaldmann: i didn't see that you have reviewed it
131 2012-07-14T15:56:03 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: ^ ?
132 2012-07-14T15:56:39 <spy> ThomasWaldmann: oh, yes, those pull request
133 2012-07-14T15:56:41 *** RogerHaase
134 2012-07-14T15:57:29 <ThomasWaldmann> spy: i think there were only some minor issues. like 1 pep8 and one http result code test failing.
135 2012-07-14T15:58:15 <spy> #42: Flatland widgets ?
136 2012-07-14T15:58:26 <ThomasWaldmann> but i am reluctant to pull stuff that increases amount of failing tests
137 2012-07-14T15:59:40 <spy> currently I'm refactoring forms and want to use a lot of Flatland widgets stuff
138 2012-07-14T16:00:02 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: still with us?
139 2012-07-14T16:00:38 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, looks like not
140 2012-07-14T16:01:11 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, i have another look at that stuff. spy: you can also just clone his repo and run tests, so you see what I mean.
141 2012-07-14T16:01:29 <spy> yes, okay
142 2012-07-14T16:03:07 <spy> also have some questions on cr, did you see?
143 2012-07-14T16:03:45 <ThomasWaldmann> just seen that i didn't see the latest stuff there yet
144 2012-07-14T16:04:37 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, i'll review that since patchset #3
145 2012-07-14T16:05:10 <spy> good
146 2012-07-14T16:06:32 <ThomasWaldmann> about time format: do you really expect YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS ONLY?
147 2012-07-14T16:08:04 <spy> I think it should be a javascript calendar popup to selet the date
148 2012-07-14T16:08:27 <spy> or maybe multiple input fields
149 2012-07-14T16:08:36 <spy> for month (combobox)
150 2012-07-14T16:09:21 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, that could be added later, for nicer ui
151 2012-07-14T16:09:27 <spy> sure
152 2012-07-14T16:10:10 <ThomasWaldmann> but what i meant is that maybe prefixes of the full format are also ok, and just referring to the first second/minute/hour/[...?] then
153 2012-07-14T16:10:36 <ThomasWaldmann> also, did you consider timezones in some way?
154 2012-07-14T16:11:23 <spy> not yet
155 2012-07-14T16:12:02 <spy> so does user profile has timezone selection?
156 2012-07-14T16:12:21 <ThomasWaldmann> then please put a TODO in the code and maybe (UTC) on the UI, so it is clear how it works right now
157 2012-07-14T16:13:51 <ThomasWaldmann> it's not very much critical if the user has a rather rough expectation about the PTIME (like on some day), but if he wants it at some more precise time, he might be wondering about why it is off by 8hours or so
158 2012-07-14T16:15:04 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, I'll review your CR now and check again xiaq's PR.
159 2012-07-14T16:15:05 <spy> how do you think it could be implemented?
160 2012-07-14T16:16:07 <ThomasWaldmann> user needs to be clear about what he is doing. you can have a look at how doodle does it, you could just fix it to UTC. just make sure there are no misunderstandings.
161 2012-07-14T16:16:52 <spy> ok, i will look at doodle
162 2012-07-14T16:17:12 <ThomasWaldmann> in the theme code, we have some stuff that converts dates/times for the user, maybe you can use some of them (for display)
163 2012-07-14T16:18:18 <ThomasWaldmann> for parsing, maybe the babel code we use has also something to offer, not sure
164 2012-07-14T16:18:18 <spy> what about custom meta fields? should we provide the way to specify them?
165 2012-07-14T16:18:56 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, but first care for what you require
166 2012-07-14T16:20:00 <ThomasWaldmann> any other questions for spy? dreimark?
167 2012-07-14T16:20:46 * ThomasWaldmann thinks we are mostly through with the meeting and can continue with random discussions.
168 2012-07-14T16:25:55 * ThomasWaldmann looks at http://codereview.appspot.com/6356070 now
169 2012-07-14T16:46:03 *** dcramer_
170 2012-07-14T16:47:51 <ThomasWaldmann> spy: done
171 2012-07-14T19:30:19 *** dcramer_
172 2012-07-14T19:31:24 *** dcramer_
173 2012-07-14T19:37:18 *** jaiditya
174 2012-07-14T20:10:01 * dreimark sorry for missing the meeting
175 2012-07-14T20:13:03 <dreimark> spy there should also a check wether the time makes sense
176 2012-07-14T20:13:42 <dreimark> e.g. not in the psst and not to much in the future
177 2012-07-14T20:15:22 <dreimark> there should also be an option for scheduling many posts to one ptime
178 2012-07-14T20:17:09 <dreimark> an other question related: Does it make sense to have also some duration about how long an article is visible?
179 2012-07-14T20:31:48 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: copy&paste exists
180 2012-07-14T20:32:38 <dreimark> true or remembering last value and using it as default
181 2012-07-14T20:40:23 *** jek
182 2012-07-14T20:40:23 *** jek
183 2012-07-14T20:46:51 *** dcramer_
184 2012-07-14T21:01:39 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: fix for user settings form not populated bug #199 (or wait for flatland widgets?): http://codereview.appspot.com/6305099/
185 2012-07-14T21:26:29 <ThomasWaldmann> hi RogerHaase
186 2012-07-14T21:27:28 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: is it conflicting with other stuff or why do you ask?
187 2012-07-14T21:29:55 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, you say xiaq's stuff has a better fix? the stuff in the pending pull request?
188 2012-07-14T21:31:03 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: yes, my fix should only be applied if xiaq's fix will be delayed longer
189 2012-07-14T21:31:28 <RogerHaase> the widget thingy
190 2012-07-14T21:40:50 <ThomasWaldmann> strange, i don't have test failures any more, but i can't remember / see any fix
191 2012-07-14T21:45:48 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: ? the bug is usersettings are not populated #199. Looking for a 4 week old xiaq CR (I lost track of current)...
192 2012-07-14T21:46:44 <ThomasWaldmann> i mean the failures i have seen when last checking his stuff
193 2012-07-14T21:48:15 <RogerHaase> ah, OK.
194 2012-07-14T21:49:45 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, wait. that might have been maikumori's latest fix
195 2012-07-14T21:50:09 <RogerHaase> I only looked at xiaq' CR some weeks ago. I have not cloned his repo.
196 2012-07-14T21:57:11 <ThomasWaldmann> MaikuMori: btw, it looks like you changed the last changeset in your 184fix repo after publishing it, that was a little confusing...
197 2012-07-14T21:58:52 <CIA-54> "Miks Kalnins <MiksKalnins@MaikuMori.com>" default * 1418:25f390d1c829 2.0/MoinMoin/user.py:
198 2012-07-14T21:58:52 <CIA-54> user.py enhancements:
199 2012-07-14T21:58:52 <CIA-54> * profiles now can have their keys deleted
200 2012-07-14T21:58:52 <CIA-54> * safeguard agaisnst rare error in User.__repr__() method
201 2012-07-14T21:58:52 <CIA-54> "Miks Kalnins <MiksKalnins@MaikuMori.com>" default * 1419:690fdcf93ac9 2.0/MoinMoin/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix for bug #184 and related user login issues.
202 2012-07-14T22:00:32 <ThomasWaldmann> but the failures are gone, at least the ones that were new
203 2012-07-14T22:07:29 *** dcramer_
204 2012-07-14T22:12:21 <CIA-54> Cheer Xiao <xiaqqaix@gmail.com> default * 1420:100197cb69ab 2.0/MoinMoin/ (21 files in 6 dirs):
205 2012-07-14T22:12:21 <CIA-54> Convert Flatland forms to contain rendering hints.
206 2012-07-14T22:12:21 <CIA-54> Form elements are now rendered using the polymorphic forms.render macro.
207 2012-07-14T22:12:21 <CIA-54> Ref: http://dag-flatland.readthedocs.org/en/latest/patterns/widgets/
208 2012-07-14T22:12:22 <CIA-54> Cheer Xiao <xiaqqaix@gmail.com> default * 1421:9f36555901db 2.0/MoinMoin/ (21 files in 6 dirs): Automated merge with http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0
209 2012-07-14T22:12:22 <CIA-54> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 1422:7acb182186e2 2.0/MoinMoin/ (21 files in 6 dirs): merged
210 2012-07-14T22:12:42 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: ^^
211 2012-07-14T22:12:47 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: ^^
212 2012-07-14T22:13:09 <RogerHaase> OK, will pull updates
213 2012-07-14T22:15:35 <ThomasWaldmann> there is currently one failure to be expected
214 2012-07-14T22:16:17 <ThomasWaldmann> spy: ^^
215 2012-07-14T22:24:24 <ThomasWaldmann> somehow editor size on +usersettings does not get populated, but it is required
216 2012-07-14T22:25:29 <RogerHaase> yes, that has been an annoyance for very long time, not a new bug
217 2012-07-14T22:26:12 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, then i ignore it for now and try merging jaiditya's stuff
218 2012-07-14T22:32:27 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, another pep8 fail.
219 2012-07-14T22:32:42 <ThomasWaldmann> students need to run tests more often, esp. before committing
220 2012-07-14T23:26:37 * ThomasWaldmann rejected theme pull request for now, there are some incompatiblities that need to get fixed first
221 2012-07-14T23:27:27 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: please help jaiditya to do that, see https://bitbucket.org/Jaiditya/moin-2.0/issues?status=new&status=open&sort=-priority #31 and #35
222 2012-07-14T23:52:04 <CIA-54> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 1423:d1d644d79cad 2.0/MoinMoin/apps/frontend/_tests/test_frontend.py: adapt the usersettings test, so it expects the redirect if the user is not logged in. todo: test with a logged-in user.
223 2012-07-14T23:57:13 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: how big is your screen? :)
224 2012-07-14T23:57:57 <RogerHaase> 1920x1200
225 2012-07-14T23:58:04 <ThomasWaldmann> "where the 6 text Actions take a full 100 cm of horizontal space" (from https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/issue/101/research-fugue-icon-set )
226 2012-07-14T23:59:40 <RogerHaase> I should stick to inches :-D
227 2012-07-14T23:59:48 <ThomasWaldmann> (i agree that the current way to show these actions does not scale and is already consuming too much width)
