1 2012-07-03T00:01:17 *** MattMaker
2 2012-07-03T00:05:35 *** MattMaker
3 2012-07-03T00:10:19 *** MattMaker
4 2012-07-03T00:14:24 *** RogerHaase
5 2012-07-03T00:14:45 *** MattMaker
6 2012-07-03T00:43:41 *** MattMaker
7 2012-07-03T01:00:52 *** spy
8 2012-07-03T01:02:51 *** spy
9 2012-07-03T01:40:44 *** spy
10 2012-07-03T04:13:21 *** bilal
11 2012-07-03T04:13:52 *** bilal
12 2012-07-03T04:28:19 *** dwcramer
13 2012-07-03T06:04:01 *** MattMaker
14 2012-07-03T08:10:35 *** jaiditya
15 2012-07-03T08:16:56 * bretonium got a bit stuck
16 2012-07-03T08:18:29 <bretonium> now all conversions are done with a pseudo revid and there is no such thing as separate meta or data conversion (to index)
17 2012-07-03T08:18:35 <bretonium> *pseudo rev
18 2012-07-03T08:21:28 <bretonium> and I need to index branches separately from Items, because a creation of a branch does not always create a revision
19 2012-07-03T08:39:38 *** MattMaker
20 2012-07-03T08:42:38 *** dwcramer
21 2012-07-03T08:44:44 <bretonium> what's the best place for my "branch => whoosh doc" converters?
22 2012-07-03T09:05:17 *** jaiditya
23 2012-07-03T09:20:37 *** esyr
24 2012-07-03T09:20:45 *** esyr
25 2012-07-03T09:42:56 *** MattMaker
26 2012-07-03T09:43:59 *** MattMaker
27 2012-07-03T09:47:12 *** esyr
28 2012-07-03T10:04:18 *** esyr
29 2012-07-03T10:47:48 *** greg_f
30 2012-07-03T10:59:30 *** vedranm
31 2012-07-03T11:46:57 *** greg_f
32 2012-07-03T11:48:11 *** greg_f
33 2012-07-03T12:09:41 *** spy
34 2012-07-03T12:14:40 <dreimark> moin
35 2012-07-03T13:03:17 <MaikuMori> moin
36 2012-07-03T13:05:43 <dreimark> MaikuMori: have you something to review?
37 2012-07-03T13:06:06 <MaikuMori> just some basic concept, I rewrote it some times
38 2012-07-03T13:06:25 <MaikuMori> and came to this http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin2-PluginSystem-thoughts
39 2012-07-03T13:08:49 <MaikuMori> Should have something worth reviewing by the end of the day
40 2012-07-03T13:34:09 *** kanha_
41 2012-07-03T13:34:51 *** kanha
42 2012-07-03T14:53:07 *** dave_largo
43 2012-07-03T15:32:57 *** dwcramer
44 2012-07-03T15:42:01 <dreimark> MaikuMori: there is midterm evalutation is a few days please consider that
45 2012-07-03T15:45:24 <dreimark> esyr: have you looked on that pad?
46 2012-07-03T15:47:15 *** dwcramer
47 2012-07-03T16:04:41 <MaikuMori> I can't get in touch with him. I haven't tried email yet.
48 2012-07-03T16:31:04 <bretonium> MaikuMori: I can poke him tomorrow if you want
49 2012-07-03T16:31:22 <MaikuMori> I'd appriciate that.
50 2012-07-03T16:40:14 *** brunomartin
51 2012-07-03T16:45:19 *** MaikuMori
52 2012-07-03T16:47:13 *** MaikuMori
53 2012-07-03T17:07:11 <ThomasWaldmann> there will be some server downtime soon, be prepared
54 2012-07-03T17:07:46 <ThomasWaldmann> (*.moinmo.in I mean)
55 2012-07-03T17:14:08 *** dwcramer
56 2012-07-03T17:19:02 <ThomasWaldmann> now
57 2012-07-03T17:19:14 *** ronny
58 2012-07-03T17:19:14 *** eSyr-ng
59 2012-07-03T17:19:14 *** dreimark
60 2012-07-03T17:19:14 *** ThomasWaldmann
61 2012-07-03T17:30:05 *** moinBot
62 2012-07-03T17:30:55 *** TheSheep
63 2012-07-03T17:31:03 *** TheSheep
64 2012-07-03T17:37:13 *** ronny
65 2012-07-03T17:37:59 * ThomasWaldmann had to reboot the server for kernel updates (and I also checked the leap second issue)
66 2012-07-03T17:38:12 *** dreimark
67 2012-07-03T17:38:17 <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: that one was a bit surprising
68 2012-07-03T17:38:28 *** dreimark
69 2012-07-03T17:38:28 *** dreimark
70 2012-07-03T17:38:43 <dreimark> re
71 2012-07-03T17:39:25 *** RogerHaase
72 2012-07-03T17:41:36 <ThomasWaldmann> https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=18556 < lol
73 2012-07-03T17:59:18 *** xorAxAx
74 2012-07-03T18:00:01 *** xorAxAx
75 2012-07-03T18:12:42 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: review done, looks ok, run "make test" to make sure everything is ok, do some manual tests, make some clean changeset(s)
76 2012-07-03T18:16:29 <ThomasWaldmann> bretonium: any news?
77 2012-07-03T18:16:36 <jaiditya> ThomasWaldmann: issue https://bitbucket.org/Jaiditya/moin-2.0/issue/6/usersettings-hints-have-very-low-contrast ...to me placeholders text looks gud
78 2012-07-03T18:16:53 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: using which code?
79 2012-07-03T18:17:14 * ThomasWaldmann can retry
80 2012-07-03T18:17:23 <jaiditya> no I mean current view
81 2012-07-03T18:17:37 <jaiditya> I havn't changed it
82 2012-07-03T18:18:07 <jaiditya> More contrast will lead to more attention on it
83 2012-07-03T18:19:15 * ThomasWaldmann pulls latest changeset and retries
84 2012-07-03T18:19:31 <jaiditya> ok
85 2012-07-03T18:19:37 <ThomasWaldmann> sometimes such differences can be because of display or taste, so i just re-check
86 2012-07-03T18:20:07 <jaiditya> yeah.
87 2012-07-03T18:23:56 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: ok, leave the placeholders as they are. maybe i just had bad display settings or angle.
88 2012-07-03T18:25:15 * ThomasWaldmann closed the issue
89 2012-07-03T18:40:51 <spy> ThomasWaldmann: any comments on http://moinmo.in/GoogleSoc2012/WikiBlog/2012-07-02 ?
90 2012-07-03T18:51:14 * ThomasWaldmann looks
91 2012-07-03T18:52:33 <ThomasWaldmann> spy: categories == supertags?
92 2012-07-03T18:54:01 <ThomasWaldmann> you could also have a look at the tag cloud view. the code is already there in moin, it could also sit in the sidebar.
93 2012-07-03T18:57:04 <spy> ThomasWaldmann: right categories == supertags, I think 'categories' is more clear for common users. Yes the tag cloud should also be there.
94 2012-07-03T18:58:05 <ThomasWaldmann> just make sure to not be inconsistent with yourself
95 2012-07-03T18:58:30 <ThomasWaldmann> if you name it tag / supertag at one place and category at another...
96 2012-07-03T18:59:05 <ThomasWaldmann> about offering other navigation in the sidebar: sure, you know better what to put there
97 2012-07-03T19:00:20 <spy> I name it 'categories' only on view
98 2012-07-03T19:02:32 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe also think how it could look more familiar to blog users / visitors
99 2012-07-03T19:03:19 <spy> that is why I named it 'categories' not 'supertags'
100 2012-07-03T19:03:39 <ThomasWaldmann> I meant in general, not referring to "Categories".
101 2012-07-03T19:03:50 <spy> ok
102 2012-07-03T19:05:16 <ThomasWaldmann> at the place where you write "this is it the header item ...", it does not really look like a header.
103 2012-07-03T19:06:06 <spy> why not?
104 2012-07-03T19:06:33 <ThomasWaldmann> well, it looks like some text below the usual wiki theme header
105 2012-07-03T19:11:22 <spy> yes, to make a new design specially for a blog we can create new layout. But still it would be the same for every blog within one moin instance.
106 2012-07-03T19:14:04 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, maybe make also some more tests with mixed content, text, pictures, ...
107 2012-07-03T19:15:35 <ThomasWaldmann> and also how it scales for more than 2 posts :)
108 2012-07-03T19:16:59 <spy> ok, manually to just look at this?
109 2012-07-03T19:20:08 <ThomasWaldmann> hm?
110 2012-07-03T19:21:27 <spy> manually without using py.test
111 2012-07-03T19:22:10 <ThomasWaldmann> yes
112 2012-07-03T19:22:46 <ThomasWaldmann> (you should also have some tests that make at least your newly added code RUN)
113 2012-07-03T19:26:34 <spy> ok, what do you think about where to edit post metadata (summary, ptime)? Should these widgets be placed on the +post view or on the +modify. I saw xiaq place them on the +ticket view.
114 2012-07-03T19:40:34 *** dwcramer
115 2012-07-03T19:51:11 <spy> ThomasWaldmann: I made DNAT for you, please look at http://punk.psviderski.name:18080/+blog/myblog
116 2012-07-03T19:56:10 *** dwcramer
117 2012-07-03T20:22:30 *** MattMaker
118 2012-07-03T20:24:44 *** jaiditya
119 2012-07-03T20:25:02 *** jaiditya
120 2012-07-03T20:33:51 *** greg_f
121 2012-07-03T21:02:49 *** technossomy
122 2012-07-03T21:03:46 <technossomy> What non-programming tasks need doing to get closer to a mm2 release?
123 2012-07-03T21:04:08 *** MattMaker
124 2012-07-03T21:06:28 *** jaiditya
125 2012-07-03T21:09:59 *** MattMaker
126 2012-07-03T21:12:26 *** MattMaker
127 2012-07-03T21:18:52 <RogerHaase> technossomy: ThomasWaldmann is at a python conference. I saw you fixed some rst docs, are you looking for more of the same?
128 2012-07-03T21:28:38 *** MattMaker
129 2012-07-03T21:40:18 *** dwcramer
130 2012-07-03T21:50:43 <technossomy> yes, if you could provide some guidance as to where you need help most.
131 2012-07-03T21:56:04 <RogerHaase> technossomy: documentation is always in need of being more concise and easy to understand. Where have you installed moin and how are you using it? Did you try to configure things like ACLs, textchas,...?
132 2012-07-03T21:57:29 *** technossomy
133 2012-07-03T21:58:22 *** DasIch-m
134 2012-07-03T22:04:33 *** technossomy
135 2012-07-03T22:14:07 <ThomasWaldmann> spy: sorry, was away...
136 2012-07-03T22:16:52 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, good, we'll look at the double header thingie later. maybe you can prepare with thinking about what could be done.
137 2012-07-03T22:21:33 <spy> ThomasWaldmann: so, what about meta 'summary' and 'ptime'? Now I'm working on the blog_layout template. +blog and +post will use it because they have much in common.
138 2012-07-03T22:22:46 *** bilal
139 2012-07-03T22:23:56 *** bilal
140 2012-07-03T22:28:34 <ThomasWaldmann> spy: where does "Here come the ultrabooks" come from?
141 2012-07-03T22:30:51 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, it's the page name
142 2012-07-03T22:31:13 <ThomasWaldmann> you could use the summary for that, so pagename/url can be shorter
143 2012-07-03T22:31:25 <spy> ThomasWaldmann: it is summary also
144 2012-07-03T22:31:44 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: ^^ maybe you both should agree on that, so it is consistent with issue tracker and blog
145 2012-07-03T22:31:58 <spy> at firset summary is used for that, then pagename if there is no summary
146 2012-07-03T22:32:06 <spy> *first
147 2012-07-03T22:34:02 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, you categories are linking currently just like tags. maybe some people would rather expect them working like filters for the list of posts on the blog item
148 2012-07-03T22:34:17 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, ok
149 2012-07-03T22:38:57 <ThomasWaldmann> spy: there's no recent commit on your repo
150 2012-07-03T22:39:18 <spy> agree, this behaviour should be somehow implemented in +blog view. Maybe some GET params e.g. '&category=moin2'
151 2012-07-03T22:40:19 <ThomasWaldmann> as you are searching for ptime<now ... anyway, you could also search for tag:foo
152 2012-07-03T22:41:32 <spy> ThomasWaldmann: I'm constantly rewriting my templates. Not sure if it is worth to commit.
153 2012-07-03T22:42:49 <spy> ThomasWaldmann: btw, I saw that the sorting bug was fixed. Great! :)
154 2012-07-03T22:43:25 <ThomasWaldmann> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0/rev/a9cd6f2bbc94#l1.53 < see there for multi-tags
155 2012-07-03T22:43:54 <ThomasWaldmann> you should stabilize from time to time
156 2012-07-03T22:44:19 <ThomasWaldmann> usually you should target a daily commit or more
157 2012-07-03T22:44:34 <spy> ThomasWaldmann: hm, ok
158 2012-07-03T22:44:56 <ThomasWaldmann> just concentrate on a single (small) thing and do it completely, commit
159 2012-07-03T22:45:19 <ThomasWaldmann> that's also much easier to review than 2weeks of stuff
160 2012-07-03T22:45:20 <spy> ThomasWaldmann: and before commit I should pass cr, right?
161 2012-07-03T22:45:45 <technossomy> Are there automated regression tests also on whatever is committed?
162 2012-07-03T22:45:59 <ThomasWaldmann> well, you don't need to do that for easy stuff
163 2012-07-03T22:46:25 <ThomasWaldmann> but of course if you want feedback or you are unsure
164 2012-07-03T22:46:46 <ThomasWaldmann> but you should schedule it in a non-blocking way then
165 2012-07-03T22:57:38 *** technossomy
166 2012-07-03T22:59:39 <ThomasWaldmann> oops
167 2012-07-03T22:59:58 <spy> ThomasWaldmann: how is it going with EuroPython?
168 2012-07-03T23:00:10 <ThomasWaldmann> quite nice here
169 2012-07-03T23:00:44 <ThomasWaldmann> tomorrow i'll give a lightning talk about whoosh (and also maybe one about moin2 later)
170 2012-07-03T23:01:39 <spy> would it be possible to see your online?
171 2012-07-03T23:01:48 <spy> you*
172 2012-07-03T23:01:50 <ThomasWaldmann> even quite long-term python devs seem to have missed whoosh, so it definitely needs some more publicity
173 2012-07-03T23:02:09 <ThomasWaldmann> they usually take videos
174 2012-07-03T23:02:29 <ThomasWaldmann> but I'll also post the slides on the web
175 2012-07-03T23:02:55 <ThomasWaldmann> it's not much anyway, it is mostly "there is something great, have a look" and just 5 minutes
176 2012-07-03T23:06:14 <spy> ThomasWaldmann: hey, there is no foto in your public profiles. It's damn interesting to look at you :D. Is dreimark also with you there?
177 2012-07-03T23:07:03 <ThomasWaldmann> bretonium: you should work more on your project, I don't see anything from the last days
178 2012-07-03T23:09:32 <dreimark> spy: ther is at my twitter account and alson g+
179 2012-07-03T23:10:23 <dreimark> we can have later a hangout, after i m back and have a more stable internet connection if you like
180 2012-07-03T23:11:50 *** dwcramer
181 2012-07-03T23:12:49 <dreimark> spy: if you like german there are two videos from me on youtube about moin
182 2012-07-03T23:13:44 <spy> dreimark: I saw yours but can't find Thomas's
183 2012-07-03T23:14:49 <spy> dreimark: could you bring links on videos?
184 2012-07-03T23:14:56 <ThomasWaldmann> spy: look at the old moin logo :D
185 2012-07-03T23:15:12 <spy> :D
186 2012-07-03T23:18:07 *** dave_largo
187 2012-07-03T23:19:29 <dreimark> spy: http://www.youtube.com/user/PyConDE/videos?query=wiki
188 2012-07-03T23:24:46 * ThomasWaldmann copied availability / obligations info from proposal to the calendar pages, below the calendar
189 2012-07-03T23:25:34 <ThomasWaldmann> for some cases it is now more clear
