1 2012-06-02T00:35:31 *** RogerHaase
2 2012-06-02T01:00:53 *** dwcramer
3 2012-06-02T01:31:00 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: looks a bit dead, last release 2009
4 2012-06-02T01:32:26 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: looking at EP
5 2012-06-02T02:01:02 *** jaiditya|2
6 2012-06-02T03:24:45 *** dwcramer
7 2012-06-02T05:57:53 *** dwcramer
8 2012-06-02T06:11:09 *** dwcramer
9 2012-06-02T07:06:58 *** dwcramer
10 2012-06-02T07:14:18 <breton> ThomasWaldmann: http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin2-bms 45, 78
11 2012-06-02T11:38:39 *** eSyr
12 2012-06-02T11:44:20 *** eSyr
13 2012-06-02T14:07:34 *** DasIch-m
14 2012-06-02T14:16:09 *** DasIch_
15 2012-06-02T14:19:28 *** DasIch-m
16 2012-06-02T14:21:06 *** jaiditya
17 2012-06-02T14:28:04 *** kanha_
18 2012-06-02T14:28:05 *** kanha
19 2012-06-02T14:34:45 *** kanha_
20 2012-06-02T14:36:31 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
21 2012-06-02T14:40:29 *** kanha
22 2012-06-02T14:42:21 <waldi> ThomasWaldmann: i can't attend the meeting today
23 2012-06-02T14:42:51 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: your diary has an entry on a wrong date
24 2012-06-02T14:43:14 <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: ok, then make a separate meeting with your student
25 2012-06-02T14:43:53 <jaiditya> ahh...sorry just saw it.
26 2012-06-02T14:44:28 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: you fail to update your diary regularly (or work on your project regularly, in case the diary is complete)
27 2012-06-02T14:44:41 <ThomasWaldmann> DasIch: "" (to a little lesser extent)
28 2012-06-02T14:44:52 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: ""
29 2012-06-02T14:44:55 <ThomasWaldmann> MaikuMori: ""
30 2012-06-02T14:45:00 <ThomasWaldmann> spy: ""
31 2012-06-02T14:45:43 <jaiditya> waldi: tell me a suitable time when you get free.
32 2012-06-02T14:48:07 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: looking at your EP
33 2012-06-02T14:48:22 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: yeah... didn't spend enough time during the last week :(
34 2012-06-02T14:49:20 *** brunomartin
35 2012-06-02T14:50:03 <waldi> jaiditya: monday 1400
36 2012-06-02T14:50:21 <jaiditya> UTC ?
37 2012-06-02T14:50:41 <waldi> yes
38 2012-06-02T14:50:44 <jaiditya> ok
39 2012-06-02T14:52:21 *** spy_
40 2012-06-02T14:55:36 <jaiditya> ThomasWaldmann: May I get free early today ?
41 2012-06-02T14:58:21 <breton> time
42 2012-06-02T14:58:23 <ThomasWaldmann> you mean you want to be first today?
43 2012-06-02T14:58:58 <jaiditya> yeah
44 2012-06-02T14:59:15 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
45 2012-06-02T15:00:01 *** DasIch__
46 2012-06-02T15:00:50 *** dwcramer
47 2012-06-02T15:02:26 *** DasIch
48 2012-06-02T15:02:26 *** DasIch__
49 2012-06-02T15:03:47 <breton> err
50 2012-06-02T15:03:54 <breton> isn't it time?
51 2012-06-02T15:04:31 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, right. welcome to our first sat meeting.
52 2012-06-02T15:04:39 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: please begin
53 2012-06-02T15:04:45 <jaiditya> LAST: Content styling of foobar theme and updated a section on ep . Now waiting for reviews.
54 2012-06-02T15:04:45 <jaiditya> BLOCKERS: None.
55 2012-06-02T15:04:46 <jaiditya> NEXT: Complete content styling.
56 2012-06-02T15:04:51 <ThomasWaldmann> and waldi: if you are still here...
57 2012-06-02T15:05:11 <waldi> yeah, with one eye
58 2012-06-02T15:05:35 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: does "waiting" mean blocking wait?
59 2012-06-02T15:06:46 <jaiditya> If the changesets get reivewed and pushed I guess I'd continue with work
60 2012-06-02T15:07:08 <jaiditya> coz I have lots of commits on my repo
61 2012-06-02T15:07:16 <jaiditya> because*
62 2012-06-02T15:07:30 <ThomasWaldmann> so the answer is "no"?
63 2012-06-02T15:08:31 <jaiditya> yeah I can still continue the work but i'd to continue if all done till now is gud to go
64 2012-06-02T15:08:48 <jaiditya> i'd like* to
65 2012-06-02T15:09:12 * ThomasWaldmann confused
66 2012-06-02T15:09:59 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe as a clarification: you should never wait for a review, but just continue work on unrelated parts. esp. at the beginning of your project, this should be no problem at all, as there is lots to do.
67 2012-06-02T15:10:26 <jaiditya> Its not a blocker
68 2012-06-02T15:10:57 <ThomasWaldmann> also, you should not request reviews with too little content, that is just slowing you down. and the first review is always done by yourself on your own.
69 2012-06-02T15:11:09 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
70 2012-06-02T15:11:23 <jaiditya> ok
71 2012-06-02T15:11:43 <ThomasWaldmann> where is the latest screenshot of how your theming work currently looks like?
72 2012-06-02T15:12:13 <jaiditya> I'll just put it up.
73 2012-06-02T15:12:55 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: eSyr-ng: are you here?
74 2012-06-02T15:14:02 <breton> err wait
75 2012-06-02T15:14:08 <breton> let me
76 2012-06-02T15:14:46 <ThomasWaldmann> any other questions for jaiditya while he uploads the screenshot?
77 2012-06-02T15:16:07 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, jaiditya / waldi: there is not a single commit on the public repo yet. if review is slowing it down that much, that should definitely change in the future.
78 2012-06-02T15:18:51 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: and if you changing visuals, maybe regularly publish a screenshot (e.g. in your diary), it is easier to look at colours there than just seeing colour values in the css.
79 2012-06-02T15:19:15 <jaiditya> yeah I got it
80 2012-06-02T15:19:18 <ThomasWaldmann> there are browser tools that make that easy
81 2012-06-02T15:20:04 <jaiditya> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/43518659/home.jpg
82 2012-06-02T15:20:23 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: / DasIch: be prepared, you are next after jaiditya has finished
83 2012-06-02T15:20:30 <jaiditya> I'll put the rest on diary entry
84 2012-06-02T15:20:37 <breton> k
85 2012-06-02T15:21:40 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: quite nice already! :)
86 2012-06-02T15:21:48 <jaiditya> :)
87 2012-06-02T15:22:18 <ThomasWaldmann> "Home" title: looks a bit too much upwards?
88 2012-06-02T15:22:43 <ThomasWaldmann> (maybe has to be tried with letters like qgj also)
89 2012-06-02T15:23:01 <jaiditya> ok.
90 2012-06-02T15:23:09 <ThomasWaldmann> search query field: looks a bit too much downwards?
91 2012-06-02T15:23:33 <ThomasWaldmann> and different height than the button right of it?
92 2012-06-02T15:24:15 <jaiditya> till now I have completed with the colors.
93 2012-06-02T15:24:40 <jaiditya> now I'll move on minute detailing
94 2012-06-02T15:24:41 <ThomasWaldmann> sure, just put it on the todo with the stuff to look at
95 2012-06-02T15:24:56 <jaiditya> yeah sure.
96 2012-06-02T15:25:03 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, looks like there are no other questions. do you have any?
97 2012-06-02T15:25:21 <jaiditya> no
98 2012-06-02T15:25:32 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, thanks jaiditya, breton: your stage
99 2012-06-02T15:25:53 <breton> LAST: etherpad, branching part; revision editing (will post today in the evening)
100 2012-06-02T15:25:56 <breton> BLOCKS: lack of decision on branches
101 2012-06-02T15:25:58 <breton> NEXT: work on the pad hard, FINALLY decide on branches and code them
102 2012-06-02T15:26:01 <breton> Sorry for the diary :( I completely forget about it
103 2012-06-02T15:26:03 <breton> Suggestion: run a pad session and decide now on the time. Suggestion - 19:00-21:00 UTC or tomorrow starting anytime from 05:00 UTC
104 2012-06-02T15:26:51 <ThomasWaldmann> we can do it today 19:00+ if you like.
105 2012-06-02T15:27:19 <ThomasWaldmann> about decisions: first the field needs to be clear, then decisions can be taken.
106 2012-06-02T15:27:28 <breton> 19:00 is fine
107 2012-06-02T15:27:51 <ThomasWaldmann> and branches are not the issue i think, HEADs are currently a bit different in our minds
108 2012-06-02T15:28:24 <dreimark> moin
109 2012-06-02T15:28:57 <ThomasWaldmann> and if you tend to forget stuff, create some daily todo wiki page if that helps. if it is generic, other students can reuse it.
110 2012-06-02T15:29:26 * ThomasWaldmann has such a page for moin release process, for same reasons
111 2012-06-02T15:29:29 <breton> there is a suggestion about branches, hich also involves heads. But, ok, the rest should be on the pad.
112 2012-06-02T15:30:05 <ThomasWaldmann> (i meant HEAD like git-HEAD == parent of workdir)
113 2012-06-02T15:30:48 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, did you code some "edit this revision" view yet?
114 2012-06-02T15:31:35 <breton>
115 2012-06-02T15:31:40 <breton> LAST: etherpad, branching part; revision editing (will post today in the evening)
116 2012-06-02T15:32:09 <breton> "edit this revision" == "revision editing"
117 2012-06-02T15:32:46 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, that referred to coding, not to pad, ok
118 2012-06-02T15:33:14 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, any questions about branch-merge-sync?
119 2012-06-02T15:33:40 <dreimark> how important is it to get a decision for heads yet?
120 2012-06-02T15:34:27 <breton> well, heads will define how we are going to store branches.
121 2012-06-02T15:34:38 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, i did quite some reading about git and fossil in the last days to get more input (and to improve using same vocabulary and avoid misunderstandings)
122 2012-06-02T15:35:59 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: hg -> branch name is stamped onto the commit metadata, git -> branches are just separate references to the respective head (not put into commit metadata)
123 2012-06-02T15:37:05 <breton> that's for named branches
124 2012-06-02T15:37:08 <dreimark> hmm, fundamental different
125 2012-06-02T15:37:27 <breton> in hg there is a lot of use of anonymous branches
126 2012-06-02T15:37:40 <breton> (afaik)
127 2012-06-02T15:37:44 <dreimark> hg always speaks from the main branch if you don't have any other
128 2012-06-02T15:38:19 *** kanha_
129 2012-06-02T15:38:48 <dreimark> breton: What would be an anonymous branch for us?
130 2012-06-02T15:38:57 *** kanha
131 2012-06-02T15:39:03 <dreimark> or do we need always named branches
132 2012-06-02T15:39:18 <dreimark> e.g. use interwiki name for the name?
133 2012-06-02T15:39:33 <dreimark> because that should have been unique anyway between wikis
134 2012-06-02T15:40:03 <breton> named branches are needed for offline clients Ithink.
135 2012-06-02T15:40:15 <breton> s/I/I /
136 2012-06-02T15:41:36 <breton> hmm, a new mimetype for the branch
137 2012-06-02T15:42:12 <ThomasWaldmann> rather not i think, that is another level
138 2012-06-02T15:42:22 <ThomasWaldmann> but we'll talk in detail later
139 2012-06-02T15:42:26 <breton> +
140 2012-06-02T15:42:29 <breton> .
141 2012-06-02T15:42:37 <dreimark> it is no special item
142 2012-06-02T15:42:41 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, anything else?
143 2012-06-02T15:42:58 <dreimark> not now
144 2012-06-02T15:43:34 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, thanks breton, DasIch: your stage
145 2012-06-02T15:45:07 <DasIch_> LAST: worked on ep, did some coding on storing/representing pastes not enough for review yet though
146 2012-06-02T15:45:23 <DasIch_> BLOCKERS: none
147 2012-06-02T15:46:19 <DasIch_> NEXT: further work on the API(metadata, API), more work on storage
148 2012-06-02T15:46:35 <ThomasWaldmann> do you have a lot of school work or why did you just work at one day on stuff?
149 2012-06-02T15:46:39 <DasIch_> s/API/ep
150 2012-06-02T15:47:28 <DasIch_> I have exams at the moment and I have to update reports more often
151 2012-06-02T15:47:35 <ThomasWaldmann> ah
152 2012-06-02T15:48:35 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, i replied on EP, see line numbers there
153 2012-06-02T15:49:11 <ThomasWaldmann> just tell, if you have some code for review
154 2012-06-02T15:49:24 <DasIch_> ah good, I will take a look later (currently on my phone)
155 2012-06-02T15:51:17 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, about that multipaste thing: i think this should be kept rather simple, so it does not require more than single-item dvcs capabilities
156 2012-06-02T15:51:50 <ThomasWaldmann> (or multipart mimetype or other complicated stuff)
157 2012-06-02T15:52:45 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, any questions?
158 2012-06-02T15:52:55 <DasIch_> not from me
159 2012-06-02T15:53:40 <dreimark> no
160 2012-06-02T15:53:56 <ThomasWaldmann> btw. render-method progress is rather slow. all students should keep in mind that everybody on his own will have to solve that.
161 2012-06-02T15:54:03 <xiaq> DasIch_: what's your idea on http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin-flatland-metadata-editor and http://etherpad.osuosl.org/moin-render-method
162 2012-06-02T15:54:28 <xiaq> the problems will pop out sooner or later...
163 2012-06-02T15:54:56 <ThomasWaldmann> and yes, same is true for metadata editing, multiple projects will need that also.
164 2012-06-02T15:55:05 <ThomasWaldmann> some more, some less
165 2012-06-02T15:55:42 * xiaq has worked out several time points for small meetings on render-method and metadata editor, will talk about that after the meeting
166 2012-06-02T15:56:07 <ThomasWaldmann> (so you should try to accelerate solving that or sooner or later you will get blocked by it or have more work if everybody has to do his own solution)
167 2012-06-02T15:58:05 <DasIch_> xiaq: I will have a look later ep doesn't really work from my phone. I'll be home soon
168 2012-06-02T15:58:19 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, we can discuss this also in xiaq quarter hour, who is next now anyway :)
169 2012-06-02T15:58:50 <ThomasWaldmann> thanks DasIch_
170 2012-06-02T15:59:08 <xiaq> so it's me
171 2012-06-02T15:59:11 <xiaq> LAST: [didn't do much during last week :(] read view and template codes, esp. studying current usage of Flatland, to work on the meta data editor. diving into a lot of docs along the way...
172 2012-06-02T15:59:15 <xiaq> BLOCKER: none yet
173 2012-06-02T15:59:18 <xiaq> NEXT: i'll upload the meta data editor for review before the next meeting
174 2012-06-02T15:59:57 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: if you are doing flatland stuff, talk to jek before it costs you too much time
175 2012-06-02T16:00:21 <ThomasWaldmann> sometimes the solutions is rather simple if you know it, but hard to find if you don't
176 2012-06-02T16:00:28 <dreimark> yes, getting him involved saves lots of time and he also has a different point of view
177 2012-06-02T16:00:35 <dreimark> which can help much
178 2012-06-02T16:00:59 <ThomasWaldmann> there is already some flatland/jinja2 stuff in forms.html
179 2012-06-02T16:01:04 <xiaq> i noticed the extraordinary code style of Flatland when reading the source :)
180 2012-06-02T16:01:17 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: yes, just have read that
181 2012-06-02T16:01:51 <xiaq> (didn't mean to be offensive by saying extraordinary code style, just couldn't find a more proper word)
182 2012-06-02T16:01:53 <ThomasWaldmann> that reminds me to look at whether there is a flatland release meanwhile...
183 2012-06-02T16:02:28 <DasIch_> xiaq: unique ;)
184 2012-06-02T16:02:41 <xiaq> DasIch_: aha that's a better one :)
185 2012-06-02T16:03:13 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: btw, if the MD editor is too complex/too big, you can also start with some MD widgets
186 2012-06-02T16:03:24 <ThomasWaldmann> and later build upon those
187 2012-06-02T16:03:42 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: yeah that's what i'm doing :)
188 2012-06-02T16:03:57 <ThomasWaldmann> spy_: and you can help with the date widget, which primarily you will need
189 2012-06-02T16:05:14 <spy_> ThomasWaldmann: yeah I want to work on it too
190 2012-06-02T16:05:35 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: btw, you can also post intermediate results to codereview now and then (you can just put comments at places with known todos)
191 2012-06-02T16:06:19 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: oh i've got a question about coding then
192 2012-06-02T16:06:41 <dreimark> just ask ;)
193 2012-06-02T16:07:05 <xiaq> i add debugging codes and don't want to include them in the cr
194 2012-06-02T16:07:20 <xiaq> how do i exclude that? hg doesn't have a staging area like git does...
195 2012-06-02T16:07:50 <xiaq> and another slightly different question
196 2012-06-02T16:07:56 <dreimark> debugging in kind of logging ? that would not make a problem to keep it in the oode
197 2012-06-02T16:08:05 <ThomasWaldmann> if the debugging code might be useful long term, use logging.debug(...) (see the usual MoinMoin.log import + 1 line afterwards)
198 2012-06-02T16:08:29 <xiaq> ok, so the next related but slightly different question...
199 2012-06-02T16:08:36 <ThomasWaldmann> otherwise just live with the one comment you'll get about your prints
200 2012-06-02T16:09:10 *** DasIch_
201 2012-06-02T16:09:20 <DasIch> tada
202 2012-06-02T16:09:28 <ThomasWaldmann> real internetz :)
203 2012-06-02T16:09:29 <dreimark> wb DasIch
204 2012-06-02T16:09:46 <xiaq> i like to use set_trace to insert conditional breakpoints in the code - i think that might be useful for other people too,
205 2012-06-02T16:09:52 * dreimark shares ics
206 2012-06-02T16:10:17 * ThomasWaldmann rarely uses set_trace
207 2012-06-02T16:10:32 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: uh oh... do you use conditional breakpoints then? :)
208 2012-06-02T16:10:45 <ThomasWaldmann> no, should i?
209 2012-06-02T16:11:24 <DasIch> I don't think I've ever used set_trace
210 2012-06-02T16:11:50 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: no, but i use it to play around a lot, which is really useful to familiarize with the api
211 2012-06-02T16:11:57 <dreimark> me also not, but i think the question is more about how to get some parts of the code debugged
212 2012-06-02T16:12:12 <dreimark> for understanding
213 2012-06-02T16:12:36 <xiaq> dreimark: yeah (seems i'm getting OT. talk about set_trace later perhaps...)
214 2012-06-02T16:12:40 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: if you just want to play within a initialized moin app, there is also moin shell command
215 2012-06-02T16:12:46 *** jaiditya
216 2012-06-02T16:12:59 <DasIch> in case of web applications werkzeug has a great debugger otherwise I usually use print statements or write a small test I run with pdb
217 2012-06-02T16:13:24 <dreimark> that or exclipse debugger
218 2012-06-02T16:13:34 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, I like werkzeug debugger also :)
219 2012-06-02T16:13:44 <ThomasWaldmann> (just never enable it in production :D )
220 2012-06-02T16:13:50 <DasIch> I don't use eclipse
221 2012-06-02T16:13:50 <dreimark> lol
222 2012-06-02T16:13:58 <xiaq> DasIch: yeah, but still less powerful than a CLI one (no tab completion, etc.)
223 2012-06-02T16:14:26 <ThomasWaldmann> MaikuMori: please prepare
224 2012-06-02T16:14:42 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, any quick questions left?
225 2012-06-02T16:14:55 <dreimark> btw. I think we should add all kinds of render methods to the pad
226 2012-06-02T16:14:56 <DasIch> xiaq: I find myself rarely using those features of "powerful" debuggers
227 2012-06-02T16:15:01 <dreimark> we know or want to have
228 2012-06-02T16:15:48 <xiaq> DasIch: well, i only need tab completion :)
229 2012-06-02T16:16:00 <ThomasWaldmann> i added quite some already and I am not aware of anything fundamentally different missing yet (but I might be wrong, so just add such stuff if you find it)
230 2012-06-02T16:16:01 <dreimark> seems no related questions
231 2012-06-02T16:16:33 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, thanks xiaq, MaikuMori your stage.
232 2012-06-02T16:21:37 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, seems he is not here
233 2012-06-02T16:21:44 <ThomasWaldmann> spy_: can you jump in right now?
234 2012-06-02T16:21:54 <spy_> sure
235 2012-06-02T16:21:58 <spy_> LAST: Studied mimetype-based transformation of data mechanism. Worked a little on render-method etherpad. Prepared for exams.
236 2012-06-02T16:22:00 <spy_> BLOCKERS: I have the final exam on 8th June that is eating up my time. After that I'll be able to work more freely.
237 2012-06-02T16:22:01 <spy_> NEXT: Work on templates.
238 2012-06-02T16:22:11 <ThomasWaldmann> MaikuMori: you are next after spy_ then, please prepare
239 2012-06-02T16:24:06 <ThomasWaldmann> spy_: blog template or blog post templates?
240 2012-06-02T16:24:35 <dreimark> one after the other?
241 2012-06-02T16:25:01 <spy_> ThomasWaldmann: blog template, rather skeleton for posts listing
242 2012-06-02T16:25:52 <ThomasWaldmann> ok (some templates will depend on metadata widgets, esp. the blogpost editing one)
243 2012-06-02T16:26:01 <dreimark> hmm, wouldn't it not make sense also to work on the blog item first?
244 2012-06-02T16:26:03 <spy_> it's unclear how to make a post template while we don't have any widgets/meta data editors
245 2012-06-02T16:26:13 <dreimark> so that you have something to render with the template
246 2012-06-02T16:27:03 <ThomasWaldmann> and i guess one can "simulate" blog post by just using the normal item editor and dealing manually with metadata in the json editarea
247 2012-06-02T16:27:56 <dreimark> yes ok
248 2012-06-02T16:28:00 <ThomasWaldmann> so the main blog item view sounds like a good idea. you can also dig into whoosh a bit for getting the stuff to show there, sort it, ...
249 2012-06-02T16:29:34 <ThomasWaldmann> spy_: btw, jinja2 has lore ipsum generator and even something to show the beginning of a longer text.
250 2012-06-02T16:29:39 <dreimark> a blog post item could have created that meta data too
251 2012-06-02T16:29:42 <spy_> yes, so should I create now new classes for Blog and Post?
252 2012-06-02T16:29:46 <dreimark> with random values
253 2012-06-02T16:30:33 <dreimark> it makes it also easier for trying out those changes
254 2012-06-02T16:31:08 <ThomasWaldmann> just use wiki items for now + new urls for the blog main view that dispatches to your new view
255 2012-06-02T16:31:42 <ThomasWaldmann> then you acquire the data you want to show in that view and give that to your new template
256 2012-06-02T16:32:02 <spy_> ThomasWaldmann: well!
257 2012-06-02T16:32:17 <ThomasWaldmann> (we can restructure that later if some other stuff gets clearer)
258 2012-06-02T16:32:32 <dreimark> I agree
259 2012-06-02T16:33:58 <spy_> Still we need to work together more on render-method ep
260 2012-06-02T16:34:37 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah. seems like currently most students are working for $somebodyelse to do the work. that won't work. :)
261 2012-06-02T16:35:09 <ThomasWaldmann> s/working/waiting/
262 2012-06-02T16:36:14 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, anything else for/from spy_ right now?
263 2012-06-02T16:36:24 <ThomasWaldmann> MaikuMori: are you there meanwhile?
264 2012-06-02T16:37:46 <ThomasWaldmann> spy_: if you have whoosh questions, just ask me. i've been doing quite some whoosh stuff already.
265 2012-06-02T16:38:54 <spy_> ThomasWaldmann: ok, thanks
266 2012-06-02T16:39:42 <ThomasWaldmann> but basically you usually just need to call the search(_page) or documents() method in the indexing middleware.
267 2012-06-02T16:40:49 <ThomasWaldmann> for the first incarnation, just call search()
268 2012-06-02T16:41:47 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, looks like MaikuMori is not here, so I guess we reached the end of the official part. thanks to everybody, random discussions now. :)
269 2012-06-02T16:42:46 <xiaq> http://moinmo.in/GoogleSoc2012/RenderMethodMetadataEditor
270 2012-06-02T16:42:48 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: ^^
271 2012-06-02T16:42:50 <xiaq> dreimark: ^^
272 2012-06-02T16:42:52 <xiaq> spy_: ^^
273 2012-06-02T16:42:58 <xiaq> DasIch: ^^
274 2012-06-02T16:42:58 <dreimark> xiaq: I am principle on my desk at weekdays but i can't guarantee that I can take part on a meeting
275 2012-06-02T16:43:36 <xiaq> dreimark: too bad :(
276 2012-06-02T16:44:46 <ThomasWaldmann> if you try often enough, I think that should work out somehow
277 2012-06-02T16:45:03 <dreimark> thats during the working hours a limitiation, but usually it matches
278 2012-06-02T16:45:04 <ThomasWaldmann> just hang out here and try...
279 2012-06-02T16:50:06 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: btw, for my availability at worktime, same thing applies.
280 2012-06-02T16:50:53 <ThomasWaldmann> usually i am rather flexible, but if there is some urgent stuff i am working on, i might be unavailable.
281 2012-06-02T16:52:02 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, i suggest using y ? n
282 2012-06-02T16:52:20 <ThomasWaldmann> using "-" for yes is rather unusual
283 2012-06-02T16:52:38 <ThomasWaldmann> or y (y) n
284 2012-06-02T16:52:49 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: ^
285 2012-06-02T16:54:39 <dreimark> DasIch: do you plan for pyconde?
286 2012-06-02T16:55:40 <DasIch> dreimark: haven't until now but most likely the dates will interfere with school for me
287 2012-06-02T16:57:29 <DasIch> they do :(
288 2012-06-02T16:58:37 <DasIch> I suppose I could go there by train on the 2.11 but I would be there in the (late) afternoon so I'm not sure it is worth it
289 2012-06-02T16:59:22 <ThomasWaldmann> DasIch: seen the GPN12 page, btw?
290 2012-06-02T17:00:03 <ThomasWaldmann> (maybe not as interesting as europython or pyconde, but likely still a nice event where some of us could meet)
291 2012-06-02T17:00:05 <DasIch> weird they don't have ticket prices for the 2.11 and 3.11
292 2012-06-02T17:02:26 <dreimark> DasIch: the barcamp is free
293 2012-06-02T17:02:44 <dreimark> you have only to travel and find a sleeping place
294 2012-06-02T17:02:50 *** dwcramer
295 2012-06-02T17:03:51 <DasIch> dreimark: hm, I'll have to think about it
296 2012-06-02T17:04:22 <DasIch> ThomasWaldmann: looks interesting but unfortunately I'm on a Juso seminar that weekend
297 2012-06-02T17:05:43 *** jaiditya
298 2012-06-02T17:08:18 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: done it
299 2012-06-02T17:15:33 *** dwcramer
300 2012-06-02T17:17:05 *** spy_
301 2012-06-02T17:19:20 <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.youtube.com/TheYouTubeCollection
302 2012-06-02T17:45:51 *** dwcramer
303 2012-06-02T20:17:07 <eSyr-ng> ThomasWaldmann: yeah, it was april fool's joke (one of).
304 2012-06-02T20:35:03 <breton> http://www.hetzner.de/page_us.htm
305 2012-06-02T20:35:16 <breton> ThomasWaldmann: 10 minutes and I'm ready to go
306 2012-06-02T20:58:05 *** DasIch
307 2012-06-02T21:02:08 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: what's up with hetzner?
308 2012-06-02T21:12:50 <breton> ThomasWaldmann: i7-2600 Quadcore
309 2012-06-02T21:13:16 <breton> , 32GB RAM, 6 TB disk - 50 eur
310 2012-06-02T21:52:25 *** dwcramer
311 2012-06-02T22:09:55 <eSyr-ng> breton: where did they god this chassis and why it's 2U and not 1U?
312 2012-06-02T22:10:22 <eSyr-ng> breton: also, hetzner is known for its usage of desktop hw in datacenter.
313 2012-06-02T22:11:05 <eSyr-ng> breton: so be ready to switch to another node in year or two,
314 2012-06-02T22:11:06 <eSyr-ng> .
315 2012-06-02T22:11:22 <eSyr-ng> (and perform migration avary year or two)
316 2012-06-02T22:11:26 <eSyr-ng> *every
317 2012-06-02T22:16:40 <ThomasWaldmann> breton: yes, hetzner has quite much to offer for a good price. but those price are + VAT.
318 2012-06-02T22:17:08 <ThomasWaldmann> and yes, if not otherwise state, it is desktop hw
319 2012-06-02T22:17:09 <eSyr-ng> ThomasWaldmann: so he should do -19% which is even better :)
320 2012-06-02T22:17:31 <ThomasWaldmann> no, +19%
321 2012-06-02T22:17:40 <eSyr-ng> ah, see, you say VAT not included.
322 2012-06-02T22:17:42 <ThomasWaldmann> (at least within germany)
323 2012-06-02T22:17:53 <eSyr-ng> ThomasWaldmann: but for non-german payers vat is not included as well iirc.
324 2012-06-02T22:18:49 <eSyr-ng> (+19% is -16%, my bad)
325 2012-06-02T22:19:26 <eSyr-ng> (at least, i have dedicated server in netherlands and does not pay vat)
326 2012-06-02T22:21:54 <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex6 that one is with better hdds and memory
327 2012-06-02T22:25:44 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr-ng: where does it say 2U?
328 2012-06-02T22:37:27 <ThomasWaldmann> (you don't need to look at server pictures, they are usually just phantasy stuff, sometimes more, sometimes less)
329 2012-06-02T22:37:30 <eSyr-ng> ThomasWaldmann: they pictured in images!
330 2012-06-02T22:37:44 <eSyr-ng> if it is pictured it is true, isn't it!
331 2012-06-02T22:38:37 * eSyr-ng heard several years ago that they do not use avan server chassis, just desktop chassises placed on shelves
332 2012-06-02T22:38:54 <eSyr-ng> *even
333 2012-06-02T22:46:01 <ThomasWaldmann> even seen first google rack? :D
334 2012-06-02T22:46:05 <ThomasWaldmann> ever...
335 2012-06-02T22:47:53 *** spy_
336 2012-06-02T23:34:00 <eSyr-ng> no, but i think it wasn't pretty serverish beacuse it began as university project iirc.
337 2012-06-02T23:36:35 *** dwcramer
338 2012-06-02T23:37:41 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr-ng: boards put on wooded plates on a rack
339 2012-06-02T23:37:48 <ThomasWaldmann> wooden*
340 2012-06-02T23:44:51 <dreimark> eSyr-ng: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z19-6tvGSq4
341 2012-06-02T23:47:27 <dreimark> there is also lots of other interesting stuff in that museum
342 2012-06-02T23:52:53 <dreimark> eSyr-ng: you should go to the mentor summit ;)
