1 2012-04-05T00:21:41 *** dwcramer
2 2012-04-05T01:25:26 *** yufra_
3 2012-04-05T01:50:49 *** chaitu
4 2012-04-05T02:19:53 *** porter1
5 2012-04-05T02:25:39 *** chaitu
6 2012-04-05T02:26:02 <chaitu> hi thomas waldmann
7 2012-04-05T02:27:20 <chaitu> can we have a small discussion on storing the event data for the new calendar
8 2012-04-05T02:36:17 *** chaitu
9 2012-04-05T02:40:38 *** porter1
10 2012-04-05T02:55:13 *** ayrus12
11 2012-04-05T03:09:30 *** dwcramer
12 2012-04-05T03:39:05 *** yufra_
13 2012-04-05T03:49:27 *** sudo_dirk
14 2012-04-05T04:03:32 *** sudo_dirk
15 2012-04-05T04:51:56 <bretonium> ThomasWaldmann: err, I will provide a timeline today.
16 2012-04-05T05:12:55 *** dwcramer
17 2012-04-05T06:26:10 *** xiaq
18 2012-04-05T06:26:31 *** xiaq
19 2012-04-05T07:33:38 *** bonism
20 2012-04-05T07:58:49 *** bonism
21 2012-04-05T08:11:26 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
22 2012-04-05T08:35:20 *** yufra_
23 2012-04-05T08:46:02 <ThomasWaldmann> bretonium: added some questions to your appl page
24 2012-04-05T08:50:20 *** bonism
25 2012-04-05T08:51:32 <ThomasWaldmann> (we already had thought of getting rid of one button, but these were the reasons not to do it)
26 2012-04-05T08:54:23 <ThomasWaldmann> the speed reason might be less important when using indexed search, but even then you don't want to spoil that "quick fuzzy goto" with title search
27 2012-04-05T09:39:44 *** kursor
28 2012-04-05T09:40:11 *** kursor_
29 2012-04-05T09:44:00 *** kursor
30 2012-04-05T09:44:00 *** kursor_
31 2012-04-05T09:44:21 <sudo_dirk> moin.
32 2012-04-05T09:46:09 <sudo_dirk> i have an issue with date at the moment. Image.py calculates t from string. i don't know, if it is an issue in Image.py or request.user.getFormattedDateTime...
33 2012-04-05T09:46:47 <sudo_dirk> with dates summer time, the shown date is 1 hour too early.
34 2012-04-05T09:46:59 <sudo_dirk> i will have a further look...
35 2012-04-05T09:49:07 *** bonism_
36 2012-04-05T09:50:25 *** bonism
37 2012-04-05T09:51:47 *** bonism__
38 2012-04-05T09:55:32 *** bonism_
39 2012-04-05T10:25:28 *** kanha
40 2012-04-05T10:41:12 <eSyr> kanha: hi.
41 2012-04-05T10:41:33 <kanha> thanks
42 2012-04-05T10:41:55 <kanha> did you went throug my application ?
43 2012-04-05T10:44:20 <bonism__> Hi all, I submitted a proposal yesterday. I was told to join this channel. Glad to meet you~
44 2012-04-05T10:45:54 <kanha> esyr:thomaswaldmann had a review of my application and he suggested me that #145 https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/issue/145/xml-mode-serialization-returns-self is a good idea but actully it includes polyglot writer which itself makes it a mini project.I am thinking of doing it
45 2012-04-05T10:51:56 *** yufra_
46 2012-04-05T10:55:15 <eSyr> bonism__: hi.
47 2012-04-05T10:55:41 <bonism__> hi~~
48 2012-04-05T10:56:29 <eSyr> kanha: mmm, i think, that html<->xml converter is more appropriate.
49 2012-04-05T10:56:33 <eSyr> ThomasWaldmann: ^^^^
50 2012-04-05T10:57:01 <eSyr> ThomasWaldmann: generating code which is both valid xml and html is a rather tricky job.
51 2012-04-05T10:57:36 <eSyr> (because html is not xml and xml is not html)
52 2012-04-05T11:04:12 <kanha> what I am suppose to do with that bug any suggestion regarding this?
53 2012-04-05T11:05:45 <eSyr> kanha: i think that #145 can have more trivial solution, but Thomas is definitely more confident about this.
54 2012-04-05T11:07:04 <eSyr> kanha: on your current proposal: please describe some criteria you put in respect to documentation.
55 2012-04-05T11:08:33 <eSyr> kanha: i think you should right down general goal related to your proposal. For example, "make dom converters useful" or so, but more detailed.
56 2012-04-05T11:09:28 <kanha> what you actually wants in documentation can you please elaborate if you have something specific in your mind ?
57 2012-04-05T11:13:20 <eSyr> kanha: well, i have some minimal requirements, like "dom converter should specify which subset of language it implements (if it is not full) or major issues regarded to implementation of some features (for example, non-trivial stuff, which is work when using format-dom-format conversion and may break when you convert to other formats)"
58 2012-04-05T11:13:55 <eSyr> kanha: and, maybe, describing some non-trivial places in code.
59 2012-04-05T11:14:25 <eSyr> kanha: btw, haven't you sent your proposal to melange yet?
60 2012-04-05T11:14:44 <kanha> no not yet
61 2012-04-05T11:15:07 <eSyr> ah, ok.
62 2012-04-05T11:15:16 <kanha> as mine deals with documenting the changes made to the code during fixing and testing and their effect in details so that it will be helpful for other developer in future
63 2012-04-05T11:15:32 *** bonism__
64 2012-04-05T11:16:26 <eSyr> kanha: yeah, fine.
65 2012-04-05T11:17:27 <kanha> so what changes should i make in my application?
66 2012-04-05T11:17:49 *** not-xjjk
67 2012-04-05T11:18:56 <kanha> and yes especially this documentation as you suggested some requirements?
68 2012-04-05T11:20:17 <eSyr> kanha: add some general words about goal and your intentions (why you want to work on this project).
69 2012-04-05T11:20:39 <eSyr> kanha: and some goals related to documenting.
70 2012-04-05T11:23:18 <kanha> why you want to work on this project where should i write this,in which part of application?
71 2012-04-05T11:23:51 <eSyr> kanha: i think, at the beggining.
72 2012-04-05T11:24:35 <eSyr> btw.
73 2012-04-05T11:25:11 <kanha> i think the heading Expectation from open source reflect it
74 2012-04-05T11:25:46 <eSyr> kanha: bretonium: you can have look on previous years' proposals by performing title search on moinmo.in wiki.
75 2012-04-05T11:26:04 *** greg_f
76 2012-04-05T11:27:37 <sudo_dirk> (moin1): do i have to adjust my timezone again, if there was a change to/ from summertime?
77 2012-04-05T11:28:43 <eSyr> sudo_dirk: no.
78 2012-04-05T11:29:57 *** xjjk
79 2012-04-05T11:30:50 <sudo_dirk> do i have to put in gmtime to request.user.getFormatedDateTime?
80 2012-04-05T11:32:03 <kanha> what exactly to be searched that keyword for finding previous year application?
81 2012-04-05T11:33:51 <kanha> i got one
82 2012-04-05T11:35:59 <kanha> esyr: anything more and what should I do with that bug ?
83 2012-04-05T11:47:47 *** moin0
84 2012-04-05T11:48:05 *** mayank_
85 2012-04-05T11:52:11 *** mayank_
86 2012-04-05T12:12:20 * xiaq just came back from a short vacation
87 2012-04-05T12:12:40 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: I wonder what's the solution to that VCS problem?
88 2012-04-05T12:12:46 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: I may be missing some points
89 2012-04-05T12:38:51 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: what vcs problem?
90 2012-04-05T12:45:50 <xiaq> Integration of VCS and issue tracker
91 2012-04-05T12:49:17 <ThomasWaldmann> you need to be more specific/detailled, otherwise this will go slow
92 2012-04-05T12:55:36 <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
93 2012-04-05T13:02:49 *** kursor
94 2012-04-05T13:20:10 <bretonium> ThomasWaldmann: hmm, what do we assume about network of syncronized wikis? I mean, should I do something like transactions or we assume that network is perfect?
95 2012-04-05T13:28:54 *** jaiditya
96 2012-04-05T13:29:16 <jaiditya> ThomasWaldmann: moin
97 2012-04-05T13:36:21 *** moin0
98 2012-04-05T13:38:04 <ThomasWaldmann> hi jaiditya
99 2012-04-05T13:39:22 <ThomasWaldmann> bretonium: well, sync shouldn't bring the wiki into an invalid state. but i guess we could live with it being partially updated if the next sync then fetches the remaining stuff.
100 2012-04-05T13:40:24 <jaiditya> since i was trying to include some html5 features i thought why we use modernizr instead of css3pie
101 2012-04-05T13:40:38 <jaiditya> whynot*
102 2012-04-05T13:41:03 <jaiditya> it will cover both css3 and html5
103 2012-04-05T13:43:15 <jaiditya> it support IE6+, Firefox 3.5+, Opera 9.6+, Safari 2+, Chrome rather than only IE
104 2012-04-05T13:44:13 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: we expect that the browser supports html5, so you shouldn't do any extra work / produce extra code to support browsers that don't
105 2012-04-05T13:45:04 <ThomasWaldmann> and the market share of IE6 is so low meanwhile that we do not need to care about it any more. even microsoft wants it dead.
106 2012-04-05T13:45:37 <jaiditya> ok then for that css3pie is enough
107 2012-04-05T13:47:39 <jaiditya> and we will be using stylus for css
108 2012-04-05T13:51:13 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: You once described an integration feature... when "this resolves bug #xxx" appears in VCS commit log this should be somehow reflected in the issue tracker
109 2012-04-05T13:51:38 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: And you said simply by having a bot watching commit log and comment on the issue tracker doesn't work
110 2012-04-05T13:52:13 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: Because other teams may have their repos, and when I'm picking up their commit, the bot would comment on our issue tracker
111 2012-04-05T13:52:35 <xiaq> Put the last message again... other teams may have their repos and issue trackers
112 2012-04-05T13:52:49 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: yes, stylus
113 2012-04-05T13:53:38 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: yes, so what is the question?
114 2012-04-05T13:55:23 <ThomasWaldmann> (once you analyze what exactly is causing the issue and look at how VCSes avoid having such issues with their changesets, it should be rather obvious how to solve that)
115 2012-04-05T13:55:31 *** jaiditya|2
116 2012-04-05T13:57:24 *** jaiditya
117 2012-04-05T13:57:36 <jaiditya|2> ThomasWaldmann: stylus looks great. it just combines all the css files in one and is very easy to modify and maintain. :)
118 2012-04-05T13:57:53 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: And you said there is an easy fix
119 2012-04-05T13:58:02 <xiaq> I wonder what that is
120 2012-04-05T13:59:34 <ThomasWaldmann> does a DVCS use changeset numbers 1,2,3,4,... to identify changesets?
121 2012-04-05T13:59:54 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: Hg does this, but the number is only local
122 2012-04-05T14:00:13 <ThomasWaldmann> why is it "only local"?
123 2012-04-05T14:00:25 <xiaq> The numbers won't propagate
124 2012-04-05T14:00:37 <xiaq> Don't know exactly the reason yet
125 2012-04-05T14:00:46 <xiaq> And Git doesn't support that at all
126 2012-04-05T14:00:55 <ThomasWaldmann> so, that's not an answer to my question, right? :)
127 2012-04-05T14:01:37 <xiaq> Yeah
128 2012-04-05T14:02:05 <ThomasWaldmann> hint: the general answer is "no"
129 2012-04-05T14:02:11 <xiaq> :)
130 2012-04-05T14:02:14 <MaikuMori> ThomasWaldmann: hey
131 2012-04-05T14:02:52 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: asked differently: what is an important property of such an identifier?
132 2012-04-05T14:03:02 <xiaq> So I guess the specific answer would be having the bot (or just a hook in the repository) look at whether a commit is a merge or not?
133 2012-04-05T14:03:12 <MaikuMori> ThomasWaldmann: I've made my themes proposal slightly more specific. Could you take a look at it http://moinmo.in/MiksKalnins/Soc2012Application
134 2012-04-05T14:03:37 <xiaq> Only non-merge commits (or changesets in Hg terms) get looked at for "resolves bug #42" words
135 2012-04-05T14:03:42 <MaikuMori> In the mean time I'll work more on the plugins proposal.
136 2012-04-05T14:04:07 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: that is not the case and not helping. but maybe just finish the thought...
137 2012-04-05T14:05:03 <xiaq> Why is is not helping? Commiters may be cherry-picking patches originally applied to other people's branches?
138 2012-04-05T14:05:06 <ThomasWaldmann> MaikuMori: formatting of the wiki page is strange
139 2012-04-05T14:05:18 <ThomasWaldmann> the list items should be indented
140 2012-04-05T14:05:40 <xiaq> If not, wrong "resolves" messages would only be introduced by a merge then...
141 2012-04-05T14:05:41 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: because the changeset that has "fixes ..." is NEVER a merge changeset
142 2012-04-05T14:06:09 <MaikuMori> ThomasWaldmann: which ones?
143 2012-04-05T14:06:17 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: Well... the bot would only look at *our* branch
144 2012-04-05T14:06:29 <ThomasWaldmann> MaikuMori: contact, experience, software projects, ...
145 2012-04-05T14:06:49 <bretonium> ThomasWaldmann: do I have to post the whole application to melange or a link to moinmo.in page is enough?
146 2012-04-05T14:07:07 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: define "our" branch
147 2012-04-05T14:07:41 <ThomasWaldmann> (i think this is not leading to anything, but just so you see that also :)
148 2012-04-05T14:08:35 *** jaiditya
149 2012-04-05T14:08:36 *** jaiditya|2
150 2012-04-05T14:09:10 <MaikuMori> ThomasWaldmann: I believe I fixed it, though I think it looks worse now.
151 2012-04-05T14:09:27 <ThomasWaldmann> MaikuMori: it would be interesting to see any of your source code. we don't expect perfection.
152 2012-04-05T14:09:58 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: Well, which branch is "ours" has to be configured for the bot
153 2012-04-05T14:09:59 <ThomasWaldmann> MaikuMori: ok
154 2012-04-05T14:10:09 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: Or instead of looking at the branch
155 2012-04-05T14:10:17 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: The bot can look at the commiter
156 2012-04-05T14:10:42 <ThomasWaldmann> no, you can't do it that way
157 2012-04-05T14:10:51 <MaikuMori> ThomasWaldmann: I could copy paste some or link to some public repo though I'm not very happy with that code. How much code do you want to see?
158 2012-04-05T14:11:26 <ThomasWaldmann> MaikuMori: just some non-trivial code you wrote. put the link into the application.
159 2012-04-05T14:11:37 <ThomasWaldmann> (preferable in python)
160 2012-04-05T14:11:41 <ThomasWaldmann> *y
161 2012-04-05T14:12:23 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: Which way?
162 2012-04-05T14:12:31 <MaikuMori> I'll see what I can do.
163 2012-04-05T14:13:19 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: you can't make that working by looking at branches or authors
164 2012-04-05T14:13:20 *** jaiditya
165 2012-04-05T14:13:24 *** jaiditya
166 2012-04-05T14:13:44 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: and you still did not identify the fundamental problem why the bitbucket approach does not work
167 2012-04-05T14:14:22 <ThomasWaldmann> if you just name that problem in a good way, the solution gets rather obvious
168 2012-04-05T14:15:18 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: Hm... care to elaborate why looking at the branch won't work?
169 2012-04-05T14:15:56 <ThomasWaldmann> you didn't even say how you would do that exactly, so I can't tell details.
170 2012-04-05T14:16:27 <ThomasWaldmann> but i think you are thinking about the problem much too complicated
171 2012-04-05T14:16:41 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: Well...
172 2012-04-05T14:16:48 <MaikuMori> ThomasWaldmann: mind if I make some comments about the code I'm going to link to? Some parts are really, really hacky and antipaterny (Like using classes to only store data. There are semi-valid reasons why it's like that.)
173 2012-04-05T14:17:28 <ThomasWaldmann> xiaq: if you bicycle has square wheels, the solution is not to change the road. :D
174 2012-04-05T14:17:34 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: What about... instead of setting up a bot that pulls, setting up a hook on the repo?
175 2012-04-05T14:18:02 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: Yeah... so I think I must be missing some points and expect you to just tell me the answer ;)
176 2012-04-05T14:18:55 <ThomasWaldmann> you should be able to find that. just relax and think about the problem itself before thinking about solutions.
177 2012-04-05T14:19:35 *** jaiditya
178 2012-04-05T14:22:40 <xiaq> ThomasWaldmann: Alright then
179 2012-04-05T14:23:30 <ThomasWaldmann> MaikuMori: did you look at our stylus stuff we already have? maybe use stylus with that and see that some of the stuff you propose is already done.
180 2012-04-05T14:24:02 *** jaiditya|2
181 2012-04-05T14:26:34 *** kanha_
182 2012-04-05T14:27:03 *** kanha__
183 2012-04-05T14:28:13 *** jaiditya|2
184 2012-04-05T14:30:12 <ThomasWaldmann> MaikuMori: i'ld put the "more storages" thing at the very end under "in case i have time left"
185 2012-04-05T14:30:52 <MaikuMori> You do combine css files. I can remove that then.
186 2012-04-05T14:31:08 <ThomasWaldmann> yes
187 2012-04-05T14:31:17 <MaikuMori> A lot of stuff I wrote down is just something I always keep in mind when I design something.
188 2012-04-05T14:31:34 <ThomasWaldmann> and in general, such technical details are not of high importance NOW.
189 2012-04-05T14:32:45 <ThomasWaldmann> so I'ld like to see some more fundamental stuff under "maintainability"
190 2012-04-05T14:33:43 <ThomasWaldmann> and in general (just reading your note there): as we don't know you, we can't tell how much time you need for what you propose
191 2012-04-05T14:40:37 <MaikuMori> ThomasWaldmann: added some example code. I could probably add some more if it's needed.
192 2012-04-05T14:41:01 <MaikuMori> Also removed some stuff here and there.
193 2012-04-05T14:45:35 *** jaiditya
194 2012-04-05T14:47:31 <ThomasWaldmann> MaikuMori: consider that the mentors will have to look at quite a lot proposals within a short time
195 2012-04-05T14:47:50 <ThomasWaldmann> so try to avoid round trip delays :)
196 2012-04-05T14:48:55 <MaikuMori> I was considering simplifying the application. By round trip delays do you mean I should inline the example code?
197 2012-04-05T14:50:03 <ThomasWaldmann> no, I mean don't expect all mentors asking you a lot of questions and waiting for your replies
198 2012-04-05T14:50:55 <ThomasWaldmann> it is better to just put links and ideas into the application, so we can just read it
199 2012-04-05T14:52:41 <MaikuMori> Alright.
200 2012-04-05T14:53:24 *** jaiditya
201 2012-04-05T14:54:25 <bretonium> ThomasWaldmann: do I have to post the whole application to melange or a link to moinmo.in page is enough?
202 2012-04-05T14:58:14 <ThomasWaldmann> no, everybody must put the final stuff into melange
203 2012-04-05T14:58:39 <ThomasWaldmann> (for formal and other obvious reasons :)
204 2012-04-05T15:00:16 <MaikuMori> Should the markup be removed or should I just put it as is?
205 2012-04-05T15:00:56 <ThomasWaldmann> it must be readable and acceptably formatted. you don't need to win a design price with it though.
206 2012-04-05T15:01:49 <ThomasWaldmann> you could try how it looks if you just copy&paste html
207 2012-04-05T15:02:32 *** bonism
208 2012-04-05T15:15:43 *** jaiditya
209 2012-04-05T15:26:51 *** dwcramer
210 2012-04-05T15:34:25 *** _halo_
211 2012-04-05T16:12:49 <DasIch> regarding the existing experience with coding etc. how important are the time estimates to you?
212 2012-04-05T16:15:58 *** DasIch_
213 2012-04-05T16:18:15 *** DasIch
214 2012-04-05T16:18:15 *** DasIch_
215 2012-04-05T16:24:00 <waldi> DasIch: if we think you lie, it does not make a good impression
216 2012-04-05T16:24:40 <DasIch> waldi: obviously, which is why I'm reluctant to make an estimate
217 2012-04-05T16:26:12 <ThomasWaldmann> DasIch: if you make a good guess, that is good enough
218 2012-04-05T16:26:37 <ThomasWaldmann> we are just not asking "since when do you do python", because the answer is completely meaningless
219 2012-04-05T16:27:00 <ThomasWaldmann> you can "do it" since 10y, if it is only 1h per year, you are a beginner
220 2012-04-05T16:27:21 <ThomasWaldmann> you can do it very intensively since 1y and you are not a beginner any more
221 2012-04-05T16:27:43 <ThomasWaldmann> that is why we ask for hours, not for since when
222 2012-04-05T16:27:56 <DasIch> ThomasWaldmann: obviously but I would find it easier to say I understand how to with and implement context managers, metaclasses, foo
223 2012-04-05T16:28:11 <DasIch> *how to work
224 2012-04-05T16:29:07 <ThomasWaldmann> that's hard to compare (but yes, would be more meaningful)
225 2012-04-05T16:29:15 <ThomasWaldmann> so just make a good guess
226 2012-04-05T16:31:59 <sudo_dirk> is the timzone implementation in moin2 the same like in moin1?
227 2012-04-05T16:33:27 <sudo_dirk> if i change my server time to december (moin1), i need to change the timezone setting (possibly caused by dst)
228 2012-04-05T16:34:28 <ThomasWaldmann> sudo_dirk: you need to tell more details
229 2012-04-05T16:37:00 *** jaiditya
230 2012-04-05T16:37:32 *** jaiditya|2
231 2012-04-05T16:39:35 <sudo_dirk> when the date is adjusted correct i need to set +2h in settings (berlin/ europe)
232 2012-04-05T16:39:59 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, that is correct. currently, you are in utc+2 timezone
233 2012-04-05T16:40:00 <sudo_dirk> when i change to december, i need to change to +1h to get the correct time
234 2012-04-05T16:40:13 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, then you are in utc+1 timezone
235 2012-04-05T16:40:35 <sudo_dirk> is that a dst issue?
236 2012-04-05T16:41:29 <ThomasWaldmann> well, it is designed to work like that. moin 1.x has no idea about your timezone, it just knows the offset you give it.
237 2012-04-05T16:42:43 <sudo_dirk> ah ok. what time takes request.user.getFormattedDateTime?
238 2012-04-05T16:43:34 <ThomasWaldmann> just read the docstring...
239 2012-04-05T16:45:44 <sudo_dirk> i already read it. i say it in another way. is it correct that you can only display the correct time, if the user has adjusted the correct offset.
240 2012-04-05T16:45:58 <ThomasWaldmann> yes
241 2012-04-05T16:46:29 <sudo_dirk> and if the offset changes every half year and i want to display a time in half a year it will be wrong cause the ofset is wrong...
242 2012-04-05T16:47:22 <jaiditya|2> ThomasWaldmann: i have updated my application and hav put on some plan of action to it. please have a look at it http://moinmo.in/JaidityaMathur/Soc2012Application
243 2012-04-05T16:47:57 *** jaiditya|2
244 2012-04-05T16:54:07 <ThomasWaldmann> sudo_dirk: yes
245 2012-04-05T16:54:51 <ThomasWaldmann> the only way to make that better is to include a rather huge tz database + code for that
246 2012-04-05T16:55:13 <ThomasWaldmann> or to kill dst :)
247 2012-04-05T16:56:22 <sudo_dirk> i don't like dst and not only caused by that^^
248 2012-04-05T16:56:42 <sudo_dirk> i am with you killing dst :P
249 2012-04-05T17:03:10 <ThomasWaldmann> while you are at that, you could test how moin2 behaves. as we have babel/pytz/etc. in there, it might be better
250 2012-04-05T17:04:18 *** dwcramer
251 2012-04-05T17:06:03 *** RogerHaase
252 2012-04-05T17:10:07 *** bonism
253 2012-04-05T17:16:33 *** jaiditya
254 2012-04-05T17:19:26 <sudo_dirk> ThomasWaldmann: i saw that a timezone setup is possible and i had the hope that it is not only +(x)h :-) i will have a look.
255 2012-04-05T17:20:14 <sudo_dirk> bbfw
256 2012-04-05T17:20:18 <sudo_dirk> bbfn
257 2012-04-05T17:23:35 *** jaiditya
258 2012-04-05T17:28:12 *** chaitu
259 2012-04-05T17:29:13 <chaitu> hi thomasWaldmann
260 2012-04-05T17:37:11 *** dwcramer
261 2012-04-05T17:38:04 *** Trip_
262 2012-04-05T17:40:29 <ThomasWaldmann> hi chaitu
263 2012-04-05T17:41:08 *** yufra_
264 2012-04-05T17:41:45 *** MattMaker
265 2012-04-05T17:41:59 <chaitu> shall we discuss about how to store the event data in new calendar implementation
266 2012-04-05T17:42:33 *** Trip_
267 2012-04-05T17:43:14 <ThomasWaldmann> chaitu: just ask specific questions. either me or someone else will answer then.
268 2012-04-05T17:44:27 <chaitu> i am asking about how to implement the event data at a superficial level
269 2012-04-05T17:45:11 <chaitu> i went throught the code of moinmoin calendar macro and read some part of wiki of moin2.0
270 2012-04-05T17:45:38 <chaitu> i stuck with how could i handle the event data
271 2012-04-05T17:49:49 <chaitu> any help will be greatly appreciated
272 2012-04-05T17:54:42 *** jaiditya
273 2012-04-05T18:01:48 <ThomasWaldmann> chaitu: did you read the MoinMoin2.0 page? it tells some fundamental stuff about moin2 and how it deals with storage.
274 2012-04-05T18:02:16 <chaitu> ok
275 2012-04-05T18:02:48 <ThomasWaldmann> (you can also just play with moin2 and create/modify some item to see how it looks like)
276 2012-04-05T18:03:59 <chaitu> yesterday i played with that
277 2012-04-05T18:04:04 <chaitu> and i will explore more
278 2012-04-05T18:04:06 <chaitu> :)
279 2012-04-05T18:04:06 *** jaiditya|2
280 2012-04-05T18:04:15 *** jaiditya|2
281 2012-04-05T18:08:47 *** yufra_
282 2012-04-05T18:12:10 *** kanha
283 2012-04-05T18:13:29 *** yufra_
284 2012-04-05T18:18:16 *** j4nu5
285 2012-04-05T18:19:20 *** j4nu5
286 2012-04-05T18:21:14 *** spy
287 2012-04-05T18:26:33 *** jaiditya
288 2012-04-05T18:29:39 *** greg_f
289 2012-04-05T18:44:45 *** jaiditya
290 2012-04-05T19:03:14 <ThomasWaldmann> chaitu: you can not only edit the data in the data editor, but also (carefully) the json in the metadata textarea
291 2012-04-05T19:06:11 <chaitu> k
292 2012-04-05T19:19:44 *** kanha
293 2012-04-05T19:21:09 *** jaiditya
294 2012-04-05T19:22:42 <kanha> moin
295 2012-04-05T19:23:57 <kanha> eSyr : I made necessary changes to my application as suggested by you and Thomaswaldmann.please review it
296 2012-04-05T19:24:19 *** jaiditya|2
297 2012-04-05T19:25:44 *** jaiditya|2
298 2012-04-05T19:31:21 *** kanha
299 2012-04-05T19:34:13 *** kanha
300 2012-04-05T19:34:41 *** chaitu
301 2012-04-05T20:02:12 *** yufra_
302 2012-04-05T20:02:40 <kanha> moin
303 2012-04-05T20:07:11 *** chaitu
304 2012-04-05T20:14:16 *** kanha
305 2012-04-05T20:17:05 *** kanha
306 2012-04-05T20:18:18 *** jaiditya|2
307 2012-04-05T20:19:23 <kanha> ThomasWaldmann : I did the changes in my application as suggested by you and eSyr and now its ready for review.
308 2012-04-05T20:21:21 *** jaiditya
309 2012-04-05T20:27:52 <kanha> moin
310 2012-04-05T20:32:52 *** jaiditya|2
311 2012-04-05T20:34:41 *** chaitu
312 2012-04-05T20:49:32 <ThomasWaldmann> kanha: why are there 2 pages now?
313 2012-04-05T20:52:09 <kanha> which two pages?
314 2012-04-05T20:52:23 <kanha> http://moinmo.in/AbhishekSingh/Gsoc2012Application
315 2012-04-05T20:52:42 <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/AbhishekSingh/Gsoc2012Proposal ?
316 2012-04-05T20:53:00 *** dwcramer
317 2012-04-05T20:56:22 <kanha> that was made previously as a rough draft for giving rough ideas to evsyr
318 2012-04-05T20:56:34 <kanha> *esyr
319 2012-04-05T21:01:59 <ThomasWaldmann> well, you need 1 proposal in the end.
320 2012-04-05T21:04:03 <kanha> http://moinmo.in/AbhishekSingh/Gsoc2012Application this is my only proposal
321 2012-04-05T21:04:59 <kanha> should i delete other page if you and others are confused about this?
322 2012-04-05T21:06:31 <kanha> also jus now i added this application page to my homepage of mionwikki
323 2012-04-05T21:06:37 <kanha> *just
324 2012-04-05T21:07:13 <kanha> did you go through my application ?
325 2012-04-05T21:07:49 *** dwcramer
326 2012-04-05T21:08:10 <ThomasWaldmann> still reading it
327 2012-04-05T21:11:21 *** kanha
328 2012-04-05T21:11:59 <ThomasWaldmann> kanha: #42 seems related to #145
329 2012-04-05T21:12:47 *** kanha
330 2012-04-05T21:15:14 <kanha> ThomasWaldmann:feed back?is it ok?
331 2012-04-05T21:17:49 <ThomasWaldmann> kanha: #42 seems related to #145
332 2012-04-05T21:18:12 <ThomasWaldmann> "Adding support and improving codes of converter packages which includes : " < that somehow seems wrongly placed / missing something
333 2012-04-05T21:25:37 <kanha> ThomasWaldmann:I changed it
334 2012-04-05T21:26:09 <kanha> anything else?
335 2012-04-05T21:28:00 <kanha> and yes that #42 it is
336 2012-04-05T21:28:14 <ThomasWaldmann> well, some stuff is not very clear, but i guess it is because you just copy&pasted some comments from the code, right?
337 2012-04-05T21:30:11 <kanha> yes
338 2012-04-05T21:31:33 <ThomasWaldmann> about the docs writing: I'ld suggest you always do that while discovering some new stuff, not just in the last week
339 2012-04-05T21:32:18 <kanha> ok
340 2012-04-05T21:32:22 <jaiditya> ThomasWaldmann: I have put on plan of action in my application need your views over it
341 2012-04-05T21:33:08 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, when requesting someone to look at something, you can save time by just giving a url with it
342 2012-04-05T21:33:32 <jaiditya> http://moinmo.in/JaidityaMathur/Soc2012Application
343 2012-04-05T21:33:34 <kanha> that i can do but to write that in application time line?
344 2012-04-05T21:33:41 <jaiditya> sorry for that
345 2012-04-05T21:33:54 <kanha> *but how to write
346 2012-04-05T21:35:47 <ThomasWaldmann> well, just make a generic comment
347 2012-04-05T21:37:18 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: is your alternate contact somebody else or just one other email address of yourself?
348 2012-04-05T21:37:51 <jaiditya> its my other email address
349 2012-04-05T21:39:22 <ThomasWaldmann> so it's both you and both gmail. 2 single points of failure.
350 2012-04-05T21:40:40 <ThomasWaldmann> you have create some links to "MoinMoin2", a page that does not exist
351 2012-04-05T21:41:12 <ThomasWaldmann> typos (just reread it slowly)
352 2012-04-05T21:41:26 <jaiditya> so should it be else's id
353 2012-04-05T21:42:45 <ThomasWaldmann> either that or at least another service
354 2012-04-05T21:42:55 <jaiditya> ok
355 2012-04-05T21:44:24 <jaiditya> actually i deleted the page i made in MoinMoin2
356 2012-04-05T21:45:06 *** kanha
357 2012-04-05T21:47:51 *** kanha
358 2012-04-05T21:49:38 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: the application is rather short. if you have some specific things in mind, maybe you could add some detail to it.
359 2012-04-05T21:50:09 <ThomasWaldmann> also maybe talk about why you want to add a 3rd theme instead of just working on the 2 existing ones.
360 2012-04-05T21:50:34 <jaiditya> ok
361 2012-04-05T21:52:25 <jaiditya> actually my point was we don't need complete SoC period just for improving existing themes
362 2012-04-05T21:53:01 <jaiditya> so rather utilize it fully for working on the third one
363 2012-04-05T21:53:19 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, ok
364 2012-04-05T21:54:43 <ThomasWaldmann> did we talk about that the work is not limited to the "theme frame", but should also cover the views / content styling?
365 2012-04-05T21:54:56 <jaiditya> yeah
366 2012-04-05T21:55:49 <ThomasWaldmann> but you didn't put it into your application or did I miss something?
367 2012-04-05T21:56:35 <jaiditya> theme includes content styling. i have written it in plan of action
368 2012-04-05T21:57:04 <jaiditya> not just the frame
369 2012-04-05T21:57:36 *** kanha
370 2012-04-05T21:58:10 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, seeing it now.
371 2012-04-05T21:59:31 <eSyr> jaiditya: it's great if you can make new theme from scratch, but this is hardly possible, just because usually great themes from scratch based on not so great, but rather full/comprehensive themes. Current themes have many issues related to just abscence of styling of many things, so it's probably just too difficult to make completely new theme currently.
372 2012-04-05T22:01:40 *** kanha
373 2012-04-05T22:02:55 <jaiditya> eSyr: yeah i have seen issues related to content styling. and i know for the fact that creating a great theme from scratch is difficult. thus for the new theme i have proposed the solenoid theme which is available for moin 1.8, 1.9
374 2012-04-05T22:03:56 <jaiditya> this means we don't have to start from scratch as we have a basic plan.
375 2012-04-05T22:05:10 <eSyr> jaiditya: yeah, definitely, solenoid theme is among good themes for 1.x. But you should take into account that theming for 2.x is changed in virtually every aspect.
376 2012-04-05T22:05:52 <eSyr> jaiditya: so (i suppose that) only some parts of css and maybe js may be useful.
377 2012-04-05T22:06:05 <jaiditya> yeah
378 2012-04-05T22:06:19 <eSyr> (and solenoid thame has rather deep integration including some custom macros to provide parts of its functionality)
379 2012-04-05T22:06:22 <eSyr> *theme
380 2012-04-05T22:06:50 <kanha> eSyr: can i submmit my application to melange if its ok now ?
381 2012-04-05T22:07:21 <eSyr> kanha: yes, of course.
382 2012-04-05T22:07:41 <eSyr> kanha: moreover, you can update your application if you need to in melange too.
383 2012-04-05T22:07:52 <eSyr> (before deadline happens, of course)
384 2012-04-05T22:09:04 <ThomasWaldmann> in general it is not recommended to wait until short before the deadline before putting something in there
385 2012-04-05T22:09:32 <ThomasWaldmann> if many people do that, it could be slow or crashing or dDOSed ...
386 2012-04-05T22:09:33 <kanha> can you tell where i can submit it ?
387 2012-04-05T22:10:17 <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2012/moinmoin there
388 2012-04-05T22:12:03 *** jaiditya
389 2012-04-05T22:12:13 *** jaiditya
390 2012-04-05T22:13:03 <jaiditya> bt we can replicate the macros using standard MVC approach...
391 2012-04-05T22:14:17 <jaiditya> the code execution will happen at python end and the template compiler will pass the data to jinja template thats how i will replicate the functionality
392 2012-04-05T22:21:14 <jaiditya> ThomasWaldmann: so should i elaborate the details in the application
393 2012-04-05T22:22:56 <jaiditya> and any more suggestions from your side
394 2012-04-05T22:23:40 <ThomasWaldmann> well, i also think it might be a bit much to work on 3 themes. so i suggest the solenoid stuff for the case that you run out of todo early.
395 2012-04-05T22:26:48 <jaiditya> if in case i run out time i would love to continue it till the end even after gsoc
396 2012-04-05T22:35:04 <ThomasWaldmann> it's free software, sure, you can do that :)
397 2012-04-05T22:36:24 <jaiditya> so the proposal just needs to be detailed a bit or something else
398 2012-04-05T22:45:33 <jaiditya> thanks for the feedback. :)
399 2012-04-05T22:53:04 *** jaiditya|2
400 2012-04-05T22:53:04 *** jaiditya
401 2012-04-05T22:55:32 <kanha> I submmited my proposal to melange
402 2012-04-05T22:55:59 <kanha> Thanks to moin community :)
403 2012-04-05T22:58:09 *** jaiditya|2
404 2012-04-05T23:02:19 *** jaiditya
405 2012-04-05T23:02:43 *** yufra_
406 2012-04-05T23:10:03 *** jaiditya
407 2012-04-05T23:11:18 *** yufra_
408 2012-04-05T23:18:48 <kanha> its bedtime! bye :)
409 2012-04-05T23:19:02 *** kanha
410 2012-04-05T23:35:18 *** yufra_
411 2012-04-05T23:51:44 *** dwcramer
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