1 2012-04-04T00:00:21 <brunomartin> dreimark: ok! I can help mentoring in this task... I have to finish some tasks in namespace branch first, then I can help on it...
2 2012-04-04T00:00:22 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: have disabled images, but that situation now lets me think on a userpref settings for disabling expensive mimetypes or blocking downloads before they happen
3 2012-04-04T00:00:54 *** jaiditya
4 2012-04-04T00:01:15 *** dcramer_
5 2012-04-04T00:03:34 <ThomasWaldmann> it would be a nice task for some EU politician to kick some asses so we don't have to pay that much for ridiculously little data transfer just because we are not in our home country
6 2012-04-04T00:08:58 <dreimark> +1
7 2012-04-04T00:11:56 <dreimark> we should have in our devtempl the irc name too
8 2012-04-04T00:13:58 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, i add it
9 2012-04-04T00:14:35 <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm, we have it there already
10 2012-04-04T00:17:23 <dreimark> hmm, i undo my change but the AbhishekSingh/Gsoc2012Application misses it
11 2012-04-04T00:18:52 <ThomasWaldmann> i saw your change, it is ok
12 2012-04-04T01:16:43 *** dcramer_
13 2012-04-04T01:18:41 *** jaiditya
14 2012-04-04T01:19:45 *** jaiditya|2
15 2012-04-04T02:19:47 *** ayrus12
16 2012-04-04T02:53:38 <jaiditya|2> While saving Soc application Internal Server error. How to resolve this
17 2012-04-04T03:26:26 *** ayrus12
18 2012-04-04T03:47:26 *** sudo_dirk
19 2012-04-04T04:01:57 *** sudo_dirk
20 2012-04-04T04:10:07 *** dcramer_
21 2012-04-04T04:23:34 *** dcramer_
22 2012-04-04T04:33:34 *** MattMaker
23 2012-04-04T04:45:19 *** MattMaker
24 2012-04-04T05:00:11 *** jaiditya|2
25 2012-04-04T05:05:45 <jaiditya> ThomasWaldmann: GSoC application is ready http://moinmo.in/JaidityaMathur/Soc2012Application
26 2012-04-04T05:17:46 *** DasIch
27 2012-04-04T05:25:52 *** yufra_
28 2012-04-04T05:31:50 *** chaitu
29 2012-04-04T05:32:34 <chaitu> Thomas Waldmann: thanks for giving feed back on my application http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2012/nallachaitu/1001
30 2012-04-04T05:34:05 <chaitu> ThomasWaldmann: as you mentioned "i think there should be a more specific plan at the start of the coding phase, so you don't need to spend a lot of time on design decisions and discussions within the coding phase".
31 2012-04-04T05:34:29 <chaitu> what possible other things i can include in the schedule
32 2012-04-04T05:37:57 *** ayrus12
33 2012-04-04T05:49:50 *** chaitu
34 2012-04-04T06:38:14 *** jaiditya
35 2012-04-04T07:31:10 *** jaiditya
36 2012-04-04T07:54:32 *** jaiditya
37 2012-04-04T08:17:57 *** jaiditya|2
38 2012-04-04T09:04:45 *** kanha
39 2012-04-04T09:08:42 <sudo_dirk> dreimark: have a nice time in london ;-)
40 2012-04-04T09:08:55 *** kanha
41 2012-04-04T10:09:22 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
42 2012-04-04T10:34:31 <jaiditya|2> ThomasWaldmann: please review my Soc application http://moinmo.in/JaidityaMathur/Soc2012Application
43 2012-04-04T11:07:52 *** greg_f
44 2012-04-04T11:38:48 *** _mayank
45 2012-04-04T11:38:59 *** ayrus12
46 2012-04-04T11:41:04 *** jaiditya|2
47 2012-04-04T11:48:55 *** jaiditya|3
48 2012-04-04T11:50:05 *** jaiditya
49 2012-04-04T11:50:44 *** _mayank
50 2012-04-04T12:07:53 *** _mayank
51 2012-04-04T12:09:37 *** _mayank
52 2012-04-04T12:22:47 *** not-xjjk
53 2012-04-04T12:25:26 *** jaiditya|3
54 2012-04-04T12:26:26 *** kursor
55 2012-04-04T12:28:02 *** xjjk
56 2012-04-04T13:00:39 *** jaiditya
57 2012-04-04T13:08:32 *** kursor
58 2012-04-04T13:10:08 *** kanha
59 2012-04-04T13:10:14 <kanha> moin
60 2012-04-04T13:12:58 *** kursor
61 2012-04-04T13:15:03 <kanha> eSyr : waldi : did you review my Gsoc 2012 application?
62 2012-04-04T13:15:24 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: basic discussions don't need to be in coding phase, that should be done beforehands
63 2012-04-04T13:16:49 <ThomasWaldmann> for me, having the builtin themes and views in a good, nice looking state has priority over doing new themes / porting other themes
64 2012-04-04T13:18:50 <ThomasWaldmann> the images look nice, but we'll have to think about usability / readability
65 2012-04-04T13:19:18 <jaiditya> ok. that won't be a problem.
66 2012-04-04T13:19:51 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe you'ld also need some time to improve the templates / html and css code reusage
67 2012-04-04T13:25:28 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: the license terms of csspie3 seem ok (they have considered that apache license v2 and gpl v2 are not compatible)
68 2012-04-04T13:25:37 *** _mayank
69 2012-04-04T13:26:02 <jaiditya> yeah i have thought of it and will keep in mind the redability and typography
70 2012-04-04T13:27:18 <ThomasWaldmann> do you think you really need that csspie3?
71 2012-04-04T13:28:00 <ThomasWaldmann> (you have to consider moin2 is not released yet and it will take at least until later this year before anybody would use that theme)
72 2012-04-04T13:28:43 <jaiditya> we only meed css3pie for IE purpose
73 2012-04-04T13:29:40 <ThomasWaldmann> does that include windows newer than XP?
74 2012-04-04T13:31:33 <jaiditya> inclusion of css3pie is only for rendering CSS3 in IE6-IE8 it will not affect the code
75 2012-04-04T13:33:03 <jaiditya> its an optional dependency
76 2012-04-04T13:33:37 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, and single file pie.htc?
77 2012-04-04T13:34:28 <jaiditya> yeah a single file
78 2012-04-04T13:34:48 <ThomasWaldmann> that pie.js, for what is that?
79 2012-04-04T13:35:16 *** _mayank
80 2012-04-04T13:36:07 <jaiditya> css3 won't be rendered correctly on older ie browsers. so for that we need to include pie.js in the template and upload pie.htc on the server.
81 2012-04-04T13:36:21 <jaiditya> pie.htc is used by ie for rendering.
82 2012-04-04T13:36:35 <jaiditya> and it won't affect the css code
83 2012-04-04T13:37:38 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, so 2 files
84 2012-04-04T13:37:53 <jaiditya> yeah
85 2012-04-04T13:38:59 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, if you have any ideas about how to create css and templates that are easily maintainable, designable, themeable, derivable, put that into your application
86 2012-04-04T13:39:24 <ThomasWaldmann> (maybe have a look at modernized/foobar css and templates to see how it is right now)
87 2012-04-04T13:39:45 *** MaikuMori
88 2012-04-04T13:39:48 <ThomasWaldmann> (same thing for icons/images)
89 2012-04-04T13:40:23 <jaiditya> ok
90 2012-04-04T13:40:58 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe also for sub-themes? :)
91 2012-04-04T13:42:34 <jaiditya> less css for maintaining it.
92 2012-04-04T13:43:08 <ThomasWaldmann> and have a look at all those moin 1.x themes on ThemeMarket. Maybe you see that there were quite a lot of themes, but maybe you also see the issues.
93 2012-04-04T13:43:41 <ThomasWaldmann> (those themes are rather unrelated to moin2, but maybe we can try to avoid some of the problems we had back then)
94 2012-04-04T13:44:35 <jaiditya> yeah i saw those themes. the solenoid theme looked pretty good to me .
95 2012-04-04T13:44:50 <ThomasWaldmann> jaiditya: btw, if you say theme, do you only mean the "frame" without the content area or do you mean complete looks, including the views?
96 2012-04-04T13:45:34 <dreimark> moin
97 2012-04-04T13:46:03 <jaiditya> for market themes i am just talking abt the frame...
98 2012-04-04T13:46:08 <dreimark> some of the views need changes in the theme templates
99 2012-04-04T13:46:29 <dreimark> jaiditya: you have to work on it in total not onöy the main frame
100 2012-04-04T13:46:50 <dreimark> do you think you can work on templates too?
101 2012-04-04T13:47:14 <dreimark> for the three themes you have in the proposal
102 2012-04-04T13:47:16 <jaiditya> yeah and i was also looking for html 5 features to improve user experience like content editable
103 2012-04-04T13:47:21 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, that's my POV also. if we would just have a pretty frame and crappy views, it would be somehow half-doen
104 2012-04-04T13:47:57 <jaiditya> in my proposal i am talking about the complete views
105 2012-04-04T13:48:17 <ThomasWaldmann> so, if you see it the same way, maybe explicitely tell that in your proposal (like "theme and views" or so)
106 2012-04-04T13:48:20 <dreimark> if there are small python changes needed is that in your scope too?
107 2012-04-04T13:48:28 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
108 2012-04-04T13:48:52 <jaiditya> yeah
109 2012-04-04T13:49:08 <ThomasWaldmann> brb
110 2012-04-04T13:49:18 <dreimark> ok
111 2012-04-04T13:49:57 <dreimark> jaiditya: it would be very good as a result of the multiple themes you do we have a standard for others
112 2012-04-04T13:49:59 <jaiditya> i am aware of the basic changes so that would be my part including jinja2
113 2012-04-04T13:50:27 <dreimark> :)
114 2012-04-04T13:50:40 <jaiditya> :)
115 2012-04-04T13:53:59 <dreimark> htg, bbl in the eveining.
116 2012-04-04T14:18:51 *** dcramer_
117 2012-04-04T14:25:16 *** kanha__
118 2012-04-04T14:25:47 *** kanha_
119 2012-04-04T14:49:32 *** kursor
120 2012-04-04T15:14:08 *** jaiditya
121 2012-04-04T15:27:42 *** dcramer_
122 2012-04-04T15:54:08 *** DasIch
123 2012-04-04T16:16:14 *** DasIch_
124 2012-04-04T16:18:26 *** DasIch
125 2012-04-04T16:18:27 *** DasIch_
126 2012-04-04T16:21:44 *** yufra_
127 2012-04-04T16:44:55 <dreimark> re
128 2012-04-04T16:51:47 *** betelgeuse_
129 2012-04-04T17:09:42 *** yufra_
130 2012-04-04T18:17:55 *** kanha
131 2012-04-04T19:22:09 <eSyr> moin
132 2012-04-04T19:22:45 <eSyr> kanha__: hi, sorry, i was busy last weeks, haven't read irc.
133 2012-04-04T19:23:05 <eSyr> dreimark: is student which send proposal to us there?
134 2012-04-04T19:34:08 *** greg_f
135 2012-04-04T19:44:51 *** chaitu
136 2012-04-04T20:28:18 *** kanha
137 2012-04-04T20:32:56 <chaitu> Hello Thomas waldmann
138 2012-04-04T20:36:20 <chaitu> with all due respect , are you there
139 2012-04-04T20:36:21 <chaitu> ?
140 2012-04-04T20:36:57 <chaitu> any one interested in implementing a new calendar for moinmoin2.0 ?
141 2012-04-04T20:37:23 <chaitu> please reply if any one is interested so that we could discuss about the idea
142 2012-04-04T20:37:26 <chaitu> !
143 2012-04-04T20:43:10 *** yufra_
144 2012-04-04T20:50:07 *** dcramer_
145 2012-04-04T20:51:09 *** dcramer_
146 2012-04-04T20:53:20 <ThomasWaldmann> hi chaitu
147 2012-04-04T20:56:21 <chaitu> hello thomas waldmann
148 2012-04-04T20:56:32 <chaitu> its so nice to hear from
149 2012-04-04T20:56:33 <chaitu> you
150 2012-04-04T20:57:11 <chaitu> thank you very much for giving the reply for gsoc application proposal for new calendar implementation
151 2012-04-04T20:57:58 *** _mayank
152 2012-04-04T20:58:31 <ThomasWaldmann> sure, no problem
153 2012-04-04T20:58:38 <chaitu> i went through the links how MonthCalendar works . particularly now i am seeing how it is implemented on https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-1.9/src/fa44b15b1ff1/MoinMoin/macro/MonthCalendar.py
154 2012-04-04T20:58:56 <chaitu> could you please tell me how to proceed further .
155 2012-04-04T20:59:29 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, ask more specific questions
156 2012-04-04T20:59:39 <chaitu> k
157 2012-04-04T21:00:13 <chaitu> as you commented on the proposal ,
158 2012-04-04T21:00:16 <chaitu> i think there should be a more specific plan at the start of the coding phase, so you don't need to spend a lot of time on design decisions and discussions within the coding phase. Stuff like how the old calendar worked or how the new calendar stores its data should be clear very early (if not even part of the application, so you can show some insights in how stuff works and that you can work with that code).
159 2012-04-04T21:00:35 <kanha> where can i find existing writers for emeraldTree ?
160 2012-04-04T21:03:09 <ThomasWaldmann> kanha: iirc there are 2: htmlwriter and xmlwriter, use grep
161 2012-04-04T21:04:07 <chaitu> as you suggested to include insights in how stuff works . could you please give me a example how could i possibly include such insights
162 2012-04-04T21:04:19 <kanha> thanks
163 2012-04-04T21:05:33 <chaitu> suppose i am proposing an new feature for the calendar how could i possibly go about that i.e how to mention in the document
164 2012-04-04T21:06:21 <chaitu> In the current proposal , i just wrote the ideas and gave some abstract idea on implementing them
165 2012-04-04T21:06:53 <ThomasWaldmann> it's not so much about new features. just show that you have some idea how it would work technically.
166 2012-04-04T21:10:00 <chaitu> so you mean , if i include some insights into already implemented calendar technical details ,that could show i can work with the code ?
167 2012-04-04T21:10:16 <chaitu> by keeping apart new features aside
168 2012-04-04T21:11:24 <chaitu> and later explain new features by throwing some light on the ideas
169 2012-04-04T21:11:40 <chaitu> please correct me if i am wrong
170 2012-04-04T21:12:27 <ThomasWaldmann> well, of course esp. the stuff you want to do is interesting
171 2012-04-04T21:17:47 <chaitu> thank you
172 2012-04-04T21:19:15 <chaitu> for documentation links i am referring to https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-1.9/src/fa44b15b1ff1/MoinMoin/macro/MonthCalendar.py for MonthCalendar 1.9 , https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0-dev/src
173 2012-04-04T21:19:50 <chaitu> if there any good resources , i would love to hear from you .
174 2012-04-04T21:20:56 <chaitu> the comments you have included while writing are excellent
175 2012-04-04T21:21:24 <chaitu> you are source of light to many people :)
176 2012-04-04T21:22:56 <ThomasWaldmann> not moin-2.0-dev, that is outdated
177 2012-04-04T21:23:14 <ThomasWaldmann> see the MoinMoin2.0 wiki page
178 2012-04-04T21:24:53 <chaitu> ok
179 2012-04-04T21:24:55 <chaitu> sure
180 2012-04-04T21:24:57 <chaitu> would love
181 2012-04-04T21:24:58 <chaitu> to
182 2012-04-04T21:31:38 <bretonium> ThomasWaldmann: any comments on my application, except timeline?
183 2012-04-04T21:31:48 *** jaiditya
184 2012-04-04T21:39:09 <kanha> thomaswaldmann can you elaborate it implementing polyglot html5/xml writer for emeraldtree wre hat it actually means?currently two writer for emerald tree is there so is it suggesting to write a common writer for both html5 and xml ?
185 2012-04-04T21:39:40 <kanha> *what it actually means
186 2012-04-04T21:42:17 *** jaiditya
187 2012-04-04T22:11:11 <ThomasWaldmann> kanha: read wikipedia about ployglot html
188 2012-04-04T22:11:36 <kanha> ok
189 2012-04-04T22:13:22 <kanha> one thing i want to ask lxml deals with both html and xml then y lxml is not preffered for parsing and writng in moin code?
190 2012-04-04T22:14:29 <ThomasWaldmann> no, we want no binary dependency. lxml has c code, needs binary package or compiler.
191 2012-04-04T22:15:05 <ThomasWaldmann> hi bretonium
192 2012-04-04T22:17:44 <kanha> what is the actuall problem in ''FIXME: handle boolean attributes'' under env/lib/python2.7/site-packages/emeraldtree/tree.py ?
193 2012-04-04T22:18:03 <kanha> can you discuss something ?
194 2012-04-04T22:21:18 <ThomasWaldmann> bretonium: well, formally you can "start earlier" on your project (as far as coding is concerned)
195 2012-04-04T22:21:40 <ThomasWaldmann> so you shouldn't write that in your application, it could be misunderstood
196 2012-04-04T22:22:29 <ThomasWaldmann> of course you can look at stuff and have ideas in community binding phase, but not code
197 2012-04-04T22:23:03 <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm i meant """well, formally you can "start earlier" on your project (as far as coding is concerned)
198 2012-04-04T22:23:07 <ThomasWaldmann> """
199 2012-04-04T22:23:10 <ThomasWaldmann> not!
200 2012-04-04T22:23:19 <ThomasWaldmann> %-)
201 2012-04-04T22:23:47 <ThomasWaldmann> i have to look more at the details later
202 2012-04-04T22:25:18 <waldi> kanha: hrml vs. xml i think
203 2012-04-04T22:26:55 <kanha> can you elaborate?
204 2012-04-04T22:48:07 *** kanha
205 2012-04-04T23:02:11 *** dcramer_
206 2012-04-04T23:25:23 <dreimark> re
207 2012-04-04T23:25:25 *** ayrus12
208 2012-04-04T23:26:38 <dreimark> eSyr: which one, sorry I have only poor internet currently,
209 2012-04-04T23:27:15 *** dwcramer
210 2012-04-04T23:31:58 <eSyr> dreimark: from Jiaqian Liu about moinmoin calendar.
211 2012-04-04T23:32:34 <eSyr> dreimark: (he sent mail with pdf attached about 10 hours ago)
212 2012-04-04T23:32:44 <dreimark> eSyr: may be it is chaitu
213 2012-04-04T23:33:14 <eSyr> hm, ok.
214 2012-04-04T23:33:24 <dreimark> oh, i can't read mail currently, because of limits of umts
215 2012-04-04T23:33:27 * eSyr have to read backlogs for about 3 weeks -_-
216 2012-04-04T23:33:51 <dreimark> chaitu: have you send an email about the calendar to us?
217 2012-04-04T23:34:10 <dreimark> have fun
218 2012-04-04T23:34:20 <dreimark> eSyr: ^
219 2012-04-04T23:34:34 <eSyr> dreimark: hehe, thanks >_>
