MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2012-03-18

   1 2012-03-18T00:16:05  <raom> To be honest, I have not really worked with wikis before (I was hoping to learn more about it while doing a project of this sort). I can imagine that there would be a lot of crap files/info that would need to be merged for a multiple wikis to put in a farm together
   2 2012-03-18T00:18:06  <ThomasWaldmann> that idea mostly requires good planning and python coding
   3 2012-03-18T00:21:05  <raom> I am quite happy coding in Python, and would be happy to come up with a good plan with you once I get a better understanding of what is involved.
   4 2012-03-18T00:21:54  <ThomasWaldmann> create 2 wikis, create some users in both (with distinct names as well as with same name)
   5 2012-03-18T00:22:35  <ThomasWaldmann> then imagine one user forgot his password and creates just a new user
   6 2012-03-18T00:22:51  <ThomasWaldmann> then a spammer comes by and creates some more users
   7 2012-03-18T00:23:23  <ThomasWaldmann> then look at both user/ directories and what profiles you have there
   8 2012-03-18T00:28:15  <raom> Do I need to use the farmconfig.py script as described here:http://moinmo.in/HelpOnConfiguration?
   9 2012-03-18T00:28:29  <raom> I am not sure as you said that we are not doing a farm
  10 2012-03-18T00:29:27  <ThomasWaldmann> you can just have 2 separate wikis
  11 2012-03-18T00:30:04  <raom> This will probably sound like a stupid question, but how do I do that?
  12 2012-03-18T00:32:01  <ThomasWaldmann> well, you can just unpack the moin tgz at 2 places and run it in place
  13 2012-03-18T00:32:16  <ThomasWaldmann> (that not the usual setup, but the simplest way)
  14 2012-03-18T00:40:16  <raom> I was running it using "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart", I am assuming that is not the right way to run it in place. Do you mean running "python wikiserver.py"? That does not seem to do anything when I run it.
  15 2012-03-18T00:46:43  <ThomasWaldmann> for development purposes you usually don't "install" moin
  16 2012-03-18T00:46:58  <ThomasWaldmann> but just run python wikiserver.py in the workdir
  17 2012-03-18T00:50:41  <ThomasWaldmann> (for moin 1.9 ^^  -  for moin2 you have a "moin" command in your virtualenv)
  18 2012-03-18T00:53:16  <raom> Is it normal that running "python wikiserver.py" does not seem to do anything?
  19 2012-03-18T00:53:28  <raom> I am running it from the highest level of the unpacked tarball
  20 2012-03-18T00:55:49  <ThomasWaldmann> it should output some log messages
  21 2012-03-18T01:01:51  <ThomasWaldmann> what python version do you have?
  22 2012-03-18T01:10:11  <raom> 2.7
  23 2012-03-18T01:12:01  <ThomasWaldmann> so, do you see log output?
  24 2012-03-18T01:12:13  <raom> no
  25 2012-03-18T01:12:39  <raom> Do I need to link where I unpacked my tarball to somewhere else?
  26 2012-03-18T01:13:04  <raom> I don't remember seeing anything like that on the install guide I followed, but I think you mentioned something like that before
  27 2012-03-18T01:14:07  <ThomasWaldmann> download, unpack, cd there, python wikiserver.py
  28 2012-03-18T01:14:31  <ThomasWaldmann> (no install)
  29 2012-03-18T01:14:52  <raom> I have done that
  30 2012-03-18T01:15:57  <raom> I am really sorry but I need to leave. I will try downloading the package again tomorrow and see what happens.
  31 2012-03-18T01:16:23  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, cu
  32 2012-03-18T01:16:41  <raom> Thanks for all your help, I hope that we can keep in touch and see if we can agree on a good project for this summer :-)
  33 2012-03-18T01:21:28  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, that would be great
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  43 2012-03-18T06:50:40  <kanha> esyr:Hi
  44 2012-03-18T06:51:41  <kanha> esyr:are you the mentor for the ideas 'Improve DOM converters' ?
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  46 2012-03-18T06:56:31  <kanha> I am very much interested with this idea and also with the idea 'Improve moin-related xml code' and i want to take these as my gsoc project.
  47 2012-03-18T07:02:20  <kanha> i had done some research on it and would like to discuss with you.
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  49 2012-03-18T08:29:38  <eSyr> kanha: ok, good.
  50 2012-03-18T08:30:13  <eSyr> kanha: which format of discussion do you prefer? Generally, we can discuss your ideas here.
  51 2012-03-18T08:35:17  <kanha> which format means?is there any other format?
  52 2012-03-18T08:38:14  <kanha> esyr:moin
  53 2012-03-18T08:39:55  <eSyr> kanha: i don't know, may be you prefer to discuss it privately :)
  54 2012-03-18T08:39:58  <eSyr> moin.
  55 2012-03-18T08:40:31  <kanha> ok then pm
  56 2012-03-18T09:04:05  <kanha> esyr:i send you a link did you got it
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  58 2012-03-18T09:09:54  <breton> Hi!
  59 2012-03-18T09:10:35  <breton> well, at least 2 known familiar nicks here.
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  62 2012-03-18T10:10:15  <breton> s/known//
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  65 2012-03-18T14:00:23  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
  66 2012-03-18T14:14:11  <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr: if students do not want to publish their proposal on the wiki, they can have a acl protected page, so only mentor can read it (not other students)
  67 2012-03-18T14:15:30  <ThomasWaldmann> hi bretonium
  68 2012-03-18T14:15:54  <eSyr> kanha: ^^^
  69 2012-03-18T14:16:51  <kanha> yes
  70 2012-03-18T14:18:12  <bretonium> ThomasWaldmann: hi
  71 2012-03-18T14:24:32  <ThomasWaldmann> did you find something interesting?
  72 2012-03-18T14:26:30  <bretonium> in projects? Well, prioritized the list. Looking at moins code now. And eSyr promised me some difficult tasks too :)
  73 2012-03-18T14:32:34  <ThomasWaldmann> you're looking at moin/2.0 repo?
  74 2012-03-18T14:33:15  <bretonium> yes. Cloned it already.
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  77 2012-03-18T14:56:55  <ThomasWaldmann> kanha: that Gsoc2012Proposal wiki page name looks strange, please rename it to the right place
  78 2012-03-18T14:59:06  <kanha> yeah i know am correcting it
  79 2012-03-18T15:19:16  <ThomasWaldmann> pagename != http://... url
  80 2012-03-18T15:25:25  <kanha> i gave the page name as http://moin... but its showing http:/ ?
  81 2012-03-18T15:27:01  <ThomasWaldmann> pagenames are not urls
  82 2012-03-18T15:27:47  <kanha> oh
  83 2012-03-18T15:29:54  <kanha> done
  84 2012-03-18T15:33:22  <ThomasWaldmann> yup, better now :)
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  90 2012-03-18T15:54:36  <pjhades> Hi, I cloned moin 2.0, but how can I run it in place? Maybe it's silly question, I have googled for the answer, but still can't find the file 'wikiserver.py'. I can only run moin with virtualenv now. I tried deploying it on nginx but failed :(
  91 2012-03-18T15:55:41  <ThomasWaldmann> moin2 has good install docs
  92 2012-03-18T15:56:03  <bretonium> pjhades: have you run quickinstall?
  93 2012-03-18T15:56:22  <pjhades> yes
  94 2012-03-18T15:56:31  <ThomasWaldmann> and it is enough for development purposes if you can run it with virtualenv and the builtin server.
  95 2012-03-18T15:57:02  <bretonium> pjhades: now do something like ``source env/bin/activate", cd to docs and run ``make html"
  96 2012-03-18T15:58:21  <ThomasWaldmann> pjhades: and wikiserver.py only exists in moin 1.x
  97 2012-03-18T15:58:26  <bretonium> ThomasWaldmann: the funny thing is that installation instructions are in the docs, and to use the docs you need to install moin.
  98 2012-03-18T15:58:59  <ThomasWaldmann> the docs are linked from the MoinMoin2.0 wiki page, as most other ressources
  99 2012-03-18T15:59:03  <eSyr> bretonium: there should be readme iirc.
 100 2012-03-18T15:59:36  <bretonium> ThomasWaldmann: and then you open docs and see there instructions on how to use virtualenv and how to run the server
 101 2012-03-18T16:00:17  <bretonium> eSyr: there are only two links - http://moinmo.in/ and http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinAcknowledgements
 102 2012-03-18T16:02:12  <ThomasWaldmann> that MoinMoin2.0 page is even linked from the front page (and also from the ideas page)
 103 2012-03-18T16:03:10  <ThomasWaldmann> as moin2 is not released yet, much stuff on the wiki is still for 1.x
 104 2012-03-18T16:09:57  <CIA-41> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 1294:140cc1ee676d 2.0/README.txt: add moin2 specific hint to README.txt, point to the MoinMoin2.0 wiki page
 105 2012-03-18T16:10:10  <ThomasWaldmann> bretonium: pjhades: ^^
 106 2012-03-18T16:17:50  <bretonium> Don't look at me, I was ok without it
 107 2012-03-18T16:23:09  <pjhades> ThomasWaldmann: i've pulled the code. virtualenv is ok for dev purposes. just now i was confused by the differences between the two versions. Thanks :)
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 110 2012-03-18T17:11:29  <ThomasWaldmann> http://fsymbols.com/all/
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 112 2012-03-18T17:21:12  <dreimark> moin
 113 2012-03-18T17:21:40  * dreimark bans a symbol
 114 2012-03-18T17:29:36  <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: I added update to fix transclusion links for wiki's not running at server root:  http://codereview.appspot.com/5797063/
 115 2012-03-18T17:29:38  <ThomasWaldmann> these unicode symbols even work in vim (utf-8), but have width issues there
 116 2012-03-18T17:31:21  <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: ok, i have a look
 117 2012-03-18T17:31:39  <dreimark> BBL
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 119 2012-03-18T17:41:18  <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: eSyr: ^^ maybe some more people should review that changeset
 120 2012-03-18T17:46:33  <RogerHaase> This may help: compare http://test.moinmo.in/transclusion to: http://www.digitalrockart.org/moin2/transclusion
 121 2012-03-18T17:49:18  <RogerHaase> also: http://test.moinmo.in/logotransclude to: http://www.digitalrockart.org/moin2/logotransclude (check for html validation errors)
 122 2012-03-18T17:54:34  <RogerHaase> also: http://test.moinmo.in/HTMLerror to: http://www.digitalrockart.org/moin2/HTMLerror (check for html validation error)
 123 2012-03-18T17:59:58  <ThomasWaldmann> (note that the test.moinmo.in might not be latest code. otoh, there might be no recent change in that part of the code.)
 124 2012-03-18T18:01:15  <RogerHaase> same errors are present in current tip
 125 2012-03-18T18:02:29  <ThomasWaldmann> ok
 126 2012-03-18T18:04:03  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, submitted a few comments
 127 2012-03-18T18:04:35  <ThomasWaldmann> i am still a bit unsure whether that is the right way
 128 2012-03-18T18:05:17  <ThomasWaldmann> e.g. these check whether something is a p and then do special stuff
 129 2012-03-18T18:05:52  <ThomasWaldmann> is it maybe rather about something being a block level element or not?
 130 2012-03-18T18:07:04  <ThomasWaldmann> when looking at it from a high level, we have these cases:
 131 2012-03-18T18:07:56  <ThomasWaldmann> block context does a transclusion that returns either inline or block stuff.
 132 2012-03-18T18:08:16  <ThomasWaldmann> inline context does a transclusion that returns either inline or block stuff.
 133 2012-03-18T18:08:56  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe we could even tell the transclude what we'ld like to get back
 134 2012-03-18T18:09:38  <ThomasWaldmann> (somehow i vaguely remember we already had that topic some time ago)
 135 2012-03-18T18:10:14  <RogerHaase> If you look at include.py history, Luis Fagundes added the mangling 4 months ago
 136 2012-03-18T18:12:08  <RogerHaase> I rewrote it because of changes to transclusion and fix other bugs.
 137 2012-03-18T18:21:44  <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.digitalrockart.org/moin2/transclusion < aah, much nicer :)
 138 2012-03-18T18:22:56  <ThomasWaldmann> so from the output produced, it looks like a definite improvement
 139 2012-03-18T18:26:09  * ThomasWaldmann tries to look at full src files to get a better overall picture
 140 2012-03-18T18:35:22  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, thanks for adding all those comments
 141 2012-03-18T18:35:57  <RogerHaase> I needed them for myself :)
 142 2012-03-18T18:37:31  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, quite complex code
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 144 2012-03-18T18:49:34  <dreimark> RogerHaase: cool stuff
 145 2012-03-18T18:52:29  <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: currently asking myself why we need that mark_item_as_transclusion in html converter AND in include converter
 146 2012-03-18T18:55:31  <ThomasWaldmann> from what is does, it seems to be html_out related only, right?
 147 2012-03-18T18:56:05  <dreimark> just a question because of all workarounds in http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9/file/1ddf7d88c53d/MoinMoin/parser/text_moin_wiki.py#l1344
 148 2012-03-18T18:56:19  <dreimark> are they also addressed now
 149 2012-03-18T18:56:47  <dreimark> grep "line in that code
 150 2012-03-18T18:57:17  <RogerHaase> The mark_item.. in html_out.py is for objects, and the one in include.py is for pages (I think).
 151 2012-03-18T19:01:23  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, yes, but there is also a visit_moinpage_page, couldn't it call mark_item_... there?
 152 2012-03-18T19:02:22  <ThomasWaldmann> (just think about that we might NOT output html, but pure text, or docbook, or whatever)
 153 2012-03-18T19:06:34  <ThomasWaldmann> (we can fix such stuff in a later changeset also, just noticed it)
 154 2012-03-18T19:09:08  <RogerHaase> I will give it a try, I agree it makes sence to move it to html_out.
 155 2012-03-18T19:10:48  <RogerHaase> back in 20 minutes
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 157 2012-03-18T19:39:32  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: see melange notification, i applied
 158 2012-03-18T19:39:44  <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: the mark_item... move looks like more than a line of code.  So separate changeset.
 159 2012-03-18T19:41:38  <ThomasWaldmann> ok
 160 2012-03-18T19:45:22  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: RogerHaase look at http://codereview.appspot.com/5685057/ now implemented :)
 161 2012-03-18T19:46:38  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: as mentor role is now included in admin role, i guess we need to do that differently
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 163 2012-03-18T19:46:55  <ThomasWaldmann> so you linkid is rb_proj?
 164 2012-03-18T19:47:01  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: yes
 165 2012-03-18T19:50:44  <dreimark> that ui is strange, "You can now apply to Google Summer of Code." I guess i should not see that if i am a mentor
 166 2012-03-18T19:54:29  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: check your email
 167 2012-03-18T19:58:29  * dreimark done accepted too
 168 2012-03-18T19:59:33  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: Members of my organizations did not list your account
 169 2012-03-18T20:00:00  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, i am also wondering about that
 170 2012-03-18T20:01:57  <in3xes> SoC discussions should be done dev channel?
 171 2012-03-18T20:02:47  <ThomasWaldmann> yes
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 174 2012-03-18T20:21:39  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: yeah, already noticed the blue line
 175 2012-03-18T20:26:08  <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: another little comment on cr. if noone else is reviewing, i guess you can commit it as is and we fix the issues in subsequent changesets.
 176 2012-03-18T20:26:48  <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: btw: is fixing or replacing the built-in server a big enough project for SOC?  I changed the priority of issue #36 to minor, but now regret it.  IE9 is unusable with the built-in server.
 177 2012-03-18T20:27:00  <RogerHaase> OK, will commit.
 178 2012-03-18T20:28:26  <ThomasWaldmann> that server is from werkzeug
 179 2012-03-18T20:28:50  <ThomasWaldmann> so i guess rather not. is there a bug open there for it?
 180 2012-03-18T20:29:20  <RogerHaase> yes, #36
 181 2012-03-18T20:29:48  <RogerHaase> oops, misunderstood.  Will look for werkzueg bug
 182 2012-03-18T20:31:37  <ThomasWaldmann> it is also the question whether it is a bug in that server (in general or only on windows), or in IE/Chrome
 183 2012-03-18T20:40:59  <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: lets ask on #pocoo
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 185 2012-03-18T21:03:17  <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann:  For the threaded built-in server, I think we need a start-up option that is easy to change.  Will the present development platform replace the 1.9 desktop edition?
 186 2012-03-18T21:05:54  <ThomasWaldmann> as i said on #pocoo, it could be moin moin --threaded / moin moin --processes=N and needs to be changed in flask-script
 187 2012-03-18T21:06:31  <bretonium> using tornado (or something else) as a built-in server maybe?
 188 2012-03-18T21:07:19  <ThomasWaldmann> bretonium: one can use any server that supports wsgi, but for the most simple install, I'ld like to keep the werkzeug server as we have that as dependency anyway
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 192 2012-03-18T21:08:19  <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: yes, i think we'll use the dev server for desktop also. either in exactly the same way, or maybe in some preinstalled/bundled way
 193 2012-03-18T21:10:41  <RogerHaase> OK, since I have the problem and can test if it is working or not, I will take a look at flask-script.
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 196 2012-03-18T21:15:37  <ThomasWaldmann> https://github.com/rduplain/flask-script/issues/30
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 198 2012-03-18T21:21:37  <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: I pushed the transclude fix to https://bitbucket.org/RogerHaase/moin-2.0-temp
 199 2012-03-18T21:22:14  <ThomasWaldmann> ok
 200 2012-03-18T21:32:52  <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: did you also get 12 test failures?
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 202 2012-03-18T21:38:28  <RogerHaase> ========= 5 failed, 865 passed, 58 skipped, 1 error in 110.34 seconds ==========, runing again to double check
 203 2012-03-18T21:42:30  <ThomasWaldmann> it all seems to be somehow lxml/xpath related
 204 2012-03-18T21:44:21  <RogerHaase> Same results. http://paste.pocoo.org/show/567565/
 205 2012-03-18T21:46:10  <ThomasWaldmann> interesting. completely different from mine. X)
 206 2012-03-18T21:52:26  <RogerHaase> I have no idea why I went from 58 skipped to 322 skipped (on paste...).  But I ran it again and I get 322 skipped.
 207 2012-03-18T21:58:04  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, made a clean virtualenv now have 0 fails
 208 2012-03-18T21:58:23  <ThomasWaldmann> =================== 871 passed, 57 skipped in 76.49 seconds ====================
 209 2012-03-18T21:59:12  <CIA-41> Roger Haase <crosseyedpenguin@yahoo.com> default * 1295:4237934df124 2.0/MoinMoin/ (7 files in 6 dirs): rework transclusion overlay patch - improve transcluded item visibility, fix HTML validation errors, fixes #132 and #164
 210 2012-03-18T21:59:13  <CIA-41> Roger Haase <crosseyedpenguin@yahoo.com> default * 1296:733cb34e4c50 2.0/README.txt: merge
 211 2012-03-18T22:08:57  <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: minor typo corrections to install docs:  http://codereview.appspot.com/5853043/
 212 2012-03-18T22:13:07  <ThomasWaldmann> looks ok
 213 2012-03-18T22:23:08  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, looks like fileserver backend only works on posix (with /, not with windows \ )
 214 2012-03-18T22:31:18  <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: os.sep is '\\' for windows, right?
 215 2012-03-18T22:32:20  <RogerHaase> right
 216 2012-03-18T22:39:42  <ThomasWaldmann> http://paste.ubuntu.com/889847/ can you try if that patch fixes test_fileserver?
 217 2012-03-18T22:39:48  <ThomasWaldmann> on windows
 218 2012-03-18T22:42:20  <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: ^
 219 2012-03-18T22:46:58  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, no, needs more changes
 220 2012-03-18T22:49:07  <dreimark> gn
 221 2012-03-18T22:49:55  <RogerHaase> patch failed to apply: 3 of 3 hunks
 222 2012-03-18T22:50:53  <RogerHaase> I don't have ubuntu account so pocoo is easier
 223 2012-03-18T22:51:30  <RogerHaase> maybe my copy and paste messed up patch.
 224 2012-03-18T22:56:12  <ThomasWaldmann> http://paste.ubuntu.com/889869/
 225 2012-03-18T22:56:17  <ThomasWaldmann> use wget
 226 2012-03-18T22:56:29  <ThomasWaldmann> or the download link ther
 227 2012-03-18T22:56:30  <ThomasWaldmann> e
 228 2012-03-18T22:57:05  <bretonium> hmm, got any "easy" moin2-bugs to fix?
 229 2012-03-18T22:58:38  <RogerHaase> wget is linux thingy.  it demands login to use download link.
 230 2012-03-18T22:58:46  <ThomasWaldmann> bretonium: http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo check if you find something there
 231 2012-03-18T22:58:59  <ThomasWaldmann> (always first reproduce bugs)
 232 2012-03-18T22:59:11  <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: argh
 233 2012-03-18T23:00:37  <RogerHaase> trying copy and paste with different editor...
 234 2012-03-18T23:03:05  <RogerHaase> better - 6 of 7 failed.  Is the patch at moin2 tip?
 235 2012-03-18T23:03:12  <ThomasWaldmann> yes
 236 2012-03-18T23:07:35  <ThomasWaldmann> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/567606/
 237 2012-03-18T23:07:57  * ThomasWaldmann killed the crap pastebinit of ubuntu and uses lodgeit.py now
 238 2012-03-18T23:08:20  <bretonium> well, no easy code bugs left
 239 2012-03-18T23:09:11  <ThomasWaldmann> bretonium: pity i am just fixing one :D
 240 2012-03-18T23:10:09  <ThomasWaldmann> bretonium: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/567565/ have a look there. i am fixing the fileserver issue, but there are some more maybe.
 241 2012-03-18T23:11:44  <RogerHaase> must be something wrong with the old repo I am using.  Will clone a new one.
 242 2012-03-18T23:12:38  <ThomasWaldmann> bretonium: do you use git also?
 243 2012-03-18T23:15:09  <bretonium> ThomasWaldmann: well, in fact, I mainly use git, not hg. In mercurial I know only some basic operations.
 244 2012-03-18T23:15:41  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, if you like, you can fix the flask-script issue i just filed in their issue tracker
 245 2012-03-18T23:15:52  <ThomasWaldmann> and do a pull-request there
 246 2012-03-18T23:15:52  <bretonium> === 1 failed, 868 passed, 57 skipped in 54.47 seconds ===
 247 2012-03-18T23:16:08  <ThomasWaldmann> will make roger happier :)
 248 2012-03-18T23:18:11  <bretonium> MoinMoin/util/_tests/test_filesys.py:162: AssertionError
 249 2012-03-18T23:18:55  <ThomasWaldmann> post the full traceback to paste.pocoo.org if you want me to look
 250 2012-03-18T23:21:59  <bretonium> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/567612/. It's 03:20 here, so if that one is not critical, I'd like to fix it tomorrow.
 251 2012-03-18T23:22:06  <ThomasWaldmann> sure
 252 2012-03-18T23:23:14  <bretonium> and that flask issue, in case rduplain doesn't fix it.
 253 2012-03-18T23:23:42  <ThomasWaldmann> what fs is that?
 254 2012-03-18T23:24:29  <bretonium> err, in that traceback? You mean, os filesystem?
 255 2012-03-18T23:25:05  <ThomasWaldmann> yes
 256 2012-03-18T23:25:27  <bretonium> ext4
 257 2012-03-18T23:25:47  <ThomasWaldmann> interesting. ok, good night. :)
 258 2012-03-18T23:28:43  <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: 4 failed:  http://paste.pocoo.org/show/567614/
 259 2012-03-18T23:28:48  <xorAxAx> sorted
 260 2012-03-18T23:28:52  <xorAxAx> is missing
 261 2012-03-18T23:30:20  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: isn't it usually sorted?
 262 2012-03-18T23:30:27  <xorAxAx> not at all
 263 2012-03-18T23:30:47  <ThomasWaldmann> it doesn't fail here :)
 264 2012-03-18T23:30:48  <xorAxAx> listdir may return files in arbritrary order
 265 2012-03-18T23:30:58  <ThomasWaldmann> ext4
 266 2012-03-18T23:31:41  <ThomasWaldmann> you just spoiled an easy bugfix btw :)
 267 2012-03-18T23:32:46  <xorAxAx> easy bugfix?
 268 2012-03-18T23:33:29  <ThomasWaldmann> he's a potential SOC student and wanted to do an easy bug fix
 269 2012-03-18T23:33:46  <bretonium> oh, it's not ext4. /tmp/ is in tmpfs
 270 2012-03-18T23:33:56  <bretonium> though I've already found out :)
 271 2012-03-18T23:35:04  <ThomasWaldmann> ah, ok, that at least explains the difference
 272 2012-03-18T23:36:04  <RogerHaase> this may be an easy bug fix:  https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/issue/165/modify-page-fails-html-validation
 273 2012-03-18T23:37:12  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah
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 275 2012-03-18T23:38:25  <RogerHaase> gtg
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 277 2012-03-18T23:41:58  <bretonium> hmm, I don't see any options in moin2 for text direction.
 278 2012-03-18T23:42:42  <xorAxAx> real men turn their monitor by 180° when using moin2
 279 2012-03-18T23:44:06  <bretonium> ThomasWaldmann: any plans on that?
 280 2012-03-18T23:46:59  <ThomasWaldmann> bretonium: in moin1 we had a lanuage metadata item and macros to set language (and iirc also directon)
 281 2012-03-18T23:47:42  <ThomasWaldmann> do you speak a language that is rtl?
 282 2012-03-18T23:47:49  <bretonium> nope
 283 2012-03-18T23:47:52  <xorAxAx> i dont think so :)
 284 2012-03-18T23:48:18  <bretonium> But html validator does and requires non-empty dir. Or no dir at all.
 285 2012-03-18T23:48:52  <bretonium> xorAxAx: well, looking at my hostname someone could say I do
 286 2012-03-18T23:49:07  <xorAxAx> bretonium: you dont have a hostname :)
 287 2012-03-18T23:49:08  <ThomasWaldmann> i guess we could just remove dir for now and add it later when we really support it
 288 2012-03-18T23:49:28  <xorAxAx> bretonium: is arabian, farsi or hebrew spread in .uz?
 289 2012-03-18T23:50:07  <bretonium> xorAxAx: nope. But you can find people who use it without any problems.
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 291 2012-03-18T23:50:17  <bretonium> xorAxAx: in uz
 292 2012-03-18T23:51:00  <ThomasWaldmann> i guess we'll wait until some maintainer for such stuff appears
 293 2012-03-18T23:51:34  <ThomasWaldmann> without such, it is just a pain as non-rtl people don't get it anyway (and also have no big interest usually)
 294 2012-03-18T23:52:28  * ThomasWaldmann tried rtl stuff now and then, but it is very confusing, esp. when mixed with ltr words or phrases
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