1 2012-03-11T01:22:34 * ThomasWaldmann registed at shiningpanda.com, we are in the waiting queue at place 55...
2 2012-03-11T03:54:38 *** sudo_dirk
3 2012-03-11T04:43:20 *** kanha
4 2012-03-11T05:59:43 *** kanha_
5 2012-03-11T06:01:53 *** sudo_dirk
6 2012-03-11T06:09:48 *** kanha_
7 2012-03-11T06:10:12 *** kanha
8 2012-03-11T06:10:41 *** kanha__
9 2012-03-11T06:15:23 *** kanha
10 2012-03-11T06:54:19 *** kanha
11 2012-03-11T06:57:54 *** kanha__
12 2012-03-11T07:28:26 *** kanha_
13 2012-03-11T09:06:42 <dreimark> moin
14 2012-03-11T09:08:29 <dreimark> sudo_dirk: yes, descibe the new feature
15 2012-03-11T09:35:16 <dreimark> if his dyndns server is online we should get this one http://pypi.python.org/pypi/jpeg/0.1.4
16 2012-03-11T09:38:11 <dreimark> or this may archieve it too
17 2012-03-11T09:38:14 <dreimark> http://www.fetidcascade.com/pyexif.html
18 2012-03-11T09:38:21 *** kanha
19 2012-03-11T09:39:41 <dreimark> http://www.fetidcascade.com/public/minimal_exif_writer.py
20 2012-03-11T09:41:15 <dreimark> unfortunately no licese info and needs refactoring which is no issue if it has the right license
21 2012-03-11T09:42:05 <dreimark> +in that
22 2012-03-11T09:44:13 *** brunomartin
23 2012-03-11T09:47:46 <kanha_> In bug https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/issue/157/html-content-type-with-div-is-not-rendered the problem is when html tag is used it gets converted to P tag
24 2012-03-11T09:58:49 <kanha_> if input is given as <html><h1>foo</h1><div>foo</div></html> in UI then after saving the source code value of html_str is <p> </p> <h1> foo</h1> <div> foo</div> and html_tree.tag.name is div.the html tag gets converted to P tag
25 2012-03-11T10:02:36 *** greg_f
26 2012-03-11T10:08:37 <kanha_> which part of the code converts html tag to P tag?
27 2012-03-11T10:09:34 <dreimark> sudo_dirk: http://code.google.com/p/thebigpicture/ that is already GPL, may be we can parts of that for the images which don't have any exif
28 2012-03-11T10:34:54 <sudo_dirk> moin
29 2012-03-11T10:36:08 <sudo_dirk> dreimark: the feature is easyly described. i think for moin1 we just need to change orientation information in the pic, if the user clicks on rot_left/ rot_right. to have the requested orientation.
30 2012-03-11T10:37:06 <sudo_dirk> pic name and tags is much easier in moin2 and a search for all pics having one tag is a horror if it is in the picture.
31 2012-03-11T10:38:33 <sudo_dirk> thbigpicture is possibly to experimental. we possibly can keep the original picture but that doubles needed disk space.
32 2012-03-11T10:38:42 <dreimark> no
33 2012-03-11T10:38:53 <sudo_dirk> no for what?
34 2012-03-11T10:39:05 <dreimark> we don't need to double
35 2012-03-11T10:39:39 <dreimark> it is on the right path and we need to improve it if we want something independent from various libraries
36 2012-03-11T10:39:40 <sudo_dirk> he describes that a corruption of the file can apear
37 2012-03-11T10:40:03 <dreimark> we don't know what that means
38 2012-03-11T10:40:40 <sudo_dirk> so you think to improve it first and then use it.
39 2012-03-11T10:40:46 <dreimark> yes
40 2012-03-11T10:41:05 <dreimark> and we also don't need to write it to the original file
41 2012-03-11T10:41:13 <dreimark> we can add it to the thumbnail
42 2012-03-11T10:42:14 <sudo_dirk> ok good idea. if we don't change the original file we can test the implementation and use it if it stable enough, right.
43 2012-03-11T10:42:41 <dreimark> we also can save there all data (datetime, etc) we need
44 2012-03-11T10:43:22 <sudo_dirk> so it'll be faster
45 2012-03-11T10:43:47 <dreimark> currently a thumnail has not any information
46 2012-03-11T10:43:57 <sudo_dirk> right
47 2012-03-11T10:45:06 *** angela
48 2012-03-11T10:45:13 <dreimark> we have also another possibility in moin2, we can rotate by the browser
49 2012-03-11T10:45:40 <dreimark> e.g. by using svg rotate function
50 2012-03-11T10:45:41 <sudo_dirk> why in moin2 and not moin1
51 2012-03-11T10:46:07 <dreimark> because for that we have to completly rewrite arnica
52 2012-03-11T10:46:28 <ronny> arnica?
53 2012-03-11T10:46:49 <dreimark> ronny: http://moinmo.in/ReimarBauer/HelpOnArnica
54 2012-03-11T10:47:51 <sudo_dirk> so if some clears the cache, is the thumb deleted as well? then we loose the orientation information...
55 2012-03-11T10:49:21 <dreimark> that is the drawback of this solution.
56 2012-03-11T10:50:32 <sudo_dirk> deletion of the cache is for one page only, right
57 2012-03-11T10:50:43 <dreimark> no, you do it on migration time
58 2012-03-11T10:51:00 <dreimark> moint ... maint cleancache
59 2012-03-11T10:51:16 <dreimark> the page cache is independent for thumbnails
60 2012-03-11T10:51:43 <sudo_dirk> ok, so in a running system the cache is never deleted
61 2012-03-11T10:53:11 <dreimark> you can do by renew=True
62 2012-03-11T10:53:16 <dreimark> or you change the sizes
63 2012-03-11T10:53:39 <dreimark> so saving it in the original image is always the best solution
64 2012-03-11T10:54:02 <sudo_dirk> yes but i am not brave enough...
65 2012-03-11T10:54:03 <dreimark> also we need to save any meta of moin2 in the image if we save the item
66 2012-03-11T10:54:28 <dreimark> we should look if we can store the info we need in that comment attribute
67 2012-03-11T10:54:40 <dreimark> and read from that if it is available
68 2012-03-11T10:55:15 <sudo_dirk> comment is for a page with hundreds of pics. or is there a attachment comment.
69 2012-03-11T10:55:20 <dreimark> if the orientation is wrong in the original tag we can ignore tgat
70 2012-03-11T10:55:29 <dreimark> comment in that lib
71 2012-03-11T10:55:44 <sudo_dirk> ahh
72 2012-03-11T10:56:00 <sudo_dirk> ok. need to go. bbl
73 2012-03-11T10:56:09 <dreimark> http://code.google.com/p/thebigpicture/wiki/Usage
74 2012-03-11T11:18:30 *** angela
75 2012-03-11T11:59:24 <kanha_> moin
76 2012-03-11T12:02:50 <sudo_dirk> moin kanha_
77 2012-03-11T12:03:21 <kanha_> In bug https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/issue/157/html-content-type-with-div-is-not-rendered the problem is when html tag is used it gets converted to P tag
78 2012-03-11T12:04:25 <sudo_dirk> dreimark: i think there is no advantage (for orientation), if we store exif in thumbs. we also can just rotate thumb- and webnail.
79 2012-03-11T12:14:38 <sudo_dirk> dreimark: for the moment i download thebigpicture to get an impression how experimental it is. i would prefer to change exif in the picture itself.
80 2012-03-11T12:35:18 <dreimark> you need convience from the happy camel lib too
81 2012-03-11T12:35:48 <dreimark> bbl
82 2012-03-11T12:48:54 *** kanha_
83 2012-03-11T12:49:41 *** kanha
84 2012-03-11T13:03:37 *** yufra_
85 2012-03-11T14:30:41 <kanha> moin
86 2012-03-11T14:32:36 *** kanha
87 2012-03-11T14:35:59 *** kanha
88 2012-03-11T15:03:18 *** sudo_dirk
89 2012-03-11T15:14:46 *** kanha
90 2012-03-11T15:34:27 *** RogerHaase
91 2012-03-11T15:41:02 *** sudo_dirk
92 2012-03-11T17:55:07 *** greg_f
93 2012-03-11T19:12:22 *** yufra_
94 2012-03-11T19:15:56 *** yufra_
95 2012-03-11T22:06:06 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: transclusion patch ready for review: http://codereview.appspot.com/5797063/
96 2012-03-11T22:08:03 <RogerHaase> I think this is an improvement, but some issues with transcluding images remain: I opened #164.
97 2012-03-11T22:09:00 <ThomasWaldmann> hi RogerHaase
98 2012-03-11T22:12:33 <RogerHaase> moin:)
99 2012-03-11T22:15:03 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: I have wondered about the word "transclude" and "transclusion". It that intended to mean something different from "include" and "inclusion"?
100 2012-03-11T22:18:17 *** kursor
101 2012-03-11T22:28:04 <ThomasWaldmann> it is a quite similar meaning
102 2012-03-11T22:28:26 <ThomasWaldmann> not sure, but maybe it also means a bit that the object could be remote
103 2012-03-11T22:29:07 <ThomasWaldmann> that changeset is rather big
104 2012-03-11T22:29:33 <ThomasWaldmann> i am wondering a bit whether we need such a lot of code to deal with a rather simple thing?
105 2012-03-11T22:34:53 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: the changeset is from my repo of last July with a few fixes required by changes made by #28.
106 2012-03-11T22:36:19 <RogerHaase> It creates a transclude button, and you toggle the display of the overlay icons on and off.
107 2012-03-11T22:37:05 <RogerHaase> transclude/Transclusions
108 2012-03-11T22:43:20 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: http://test.moinmo.in/TransImage
109 2012-03-11T22:46:07 * ThomasWaldmann commented on #164
110 2012-03-11T22:52:45 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: One of the causes of the big changeset is making sure the Firefox MMB works. :-D
111 2012-03-11T22:58:30 <RogerHaase> Another cause is rewriting #28 code to deal with moving the overlay wrapping to Javascript. A complication is that without a pointer to the parent in emeraldtree, the Python code cannot determine whether to use a span or div to wrap the transcluded element.
112 2012-03-11T23:09:18 * ThomasWaldmann is still reviewing, 2nd pass
113 2012-03-11T23:17:04 <ThomasWaldmann> done
114 2012-03-11T23:17:59 <ThomasWaldmann> i didn't review much on a semantic, high-level, though
115 2012-03-11T23:27:32 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: in html5, any attribute beginning with data- is valid: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/global-attributes.html#embedding-custom-non-visible-data-with-the-data-attributes
116 2012-03-11T23:29:21 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, interesting
117 2012-03-11T23:30:03 <RogerHaase> gtg, will work on fixes later, Monday, next weekend...
118 2012-03-11T23:30:28 *** kursor
119 2012-03-11T23:30:46 *** RogerHaase
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