1 2012-01-11T00:22:01 *** raignarok
2 2012-01-11T02:05:16 <bilal> Hi folks, I'll work on this issue for a "Find a bug, Fix a bug (easy)" task: https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/issue/137/missing-create-right-fails-too-late
3 2012-01-11T02:05:21 <bilal> Task is here: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7182220
4 2012-01-11T05:51:09 *** moin7
5 2012-01-11T05:53:37 <moin7> ThomasWaldmann: I uploaded a file to the GCI site containing a .csv file with the unused CSS selectors. One of the tools I used showed that 75% of the CSS rules were unused. I have a question about the python files
6 2012-01-11T06:19:00 *** moin7
7 2012-01-11T06:26:15 *** moin4
8 2012-01-11T07:36:04 *** raignarok
9 2012-01-11T07:41:28 *** raignarok
10 2012-01-11T07:41:32 *** bndr
11 2012-01-11T07:41:45 <bndr> hi
12 2012-01-11T07:41:46 <bndr> http://www.printfection.com/moinmoin
13 2012-01-11T08:07:34 *** qxcv
14 2012-01-11T08:09:24 *** bndr
15 2012-01-11T08:30:29 *** moin4
16 2012-01-11T08:38:30 *** bndr
17 2012-01-11T08:49:36 <dreimark> moin
18 2012-01-11T08:50:19 <dreimark> bilal: see my comment
19 2012-01-11T08:53:38 <bndr> http://www.printfection.com/moinmoin
20 2012-01-11T08:55:36 <dreimark> bilal: the cup logo is somehow elipsoid?
21 2012-01-11T08:55:54 <dreimark> coffee mug
22 2012-01-11T08:56:27 <dreimark> are there also just some round stickers?
23 2012-01-11T08:57:55 <dreimark> bndr: ^^
24 2012-01-11T08:58:03 <dreimark> bndr: the cup logo is somehow elipsoid?
25 2012-01-11T08:58:43 <bndr> wait
26 2012-01-11T08:58:50 <dreimark> is there a headband, cap?
27 2012-01-11T08:59:12 <bndr> there is a cap
28 2012-01-11T08:59:28 <bndr> cup logo isn't elipsoid
29 2012-01-11T08:59:49 <bndr> it's just printfection displays it wrong i think
30 2012-01-11T08:59:53 <dreimark> ok
31 2012-01-11T09:00:01 <dreimark> where is the cap?
32 2012-01-11T09:00:32 <dreimark> can you center vertically the logo to the MM wike shop title
33 2012-01-11T09:00:41 <dreimark> s/wike/wiki/
34 2012-01-11T09:03:49 <dreimark> is there something on the backside of the T-Shirts-and-Apparel
35 2012-01-11T09:04:26 <dreimark> I mean do we have the url there or some cool sentence
36 2012-01-11T09:04:45 <bndr> nope
37 2012-01-11T09:11:12 <dreimark> I think we should point to http://moinmo.in
38 2012-01-11T09:12:30 * dreimark if someone has a good idea for a elevator speech line me would prefer that too
39 2012-01-11T09:12:54 <dreimark> there could be shirts with the big logo too but not only
40 2012-01-11T09:17:56 <bndr> tshirts with just logo?
41 2012-01-11T09:29:31 *** bndr
42 2012-01-11T09:31:13 *** bndr
43 2012-01-11T09:33:19 <bndr> http://www.printfection.com/moinmoin/American-Apparel-T-Shirt/_p_6770966
44 2012-01-11T09:33:25 <bndr> like that?
45 2012-01-11T10:16:04 *** greg_f
46 2012-01-11T10:20:20 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: yes, adding the url is a good idea
47 2012-01-11T10:21:00 <ThomasWaldmann> bndr: look at the shop title. it is better than before, but still not looking ok.
48 2012-01-11T10:22:03 <ThomasWaldmann> i think it might be easier to just use an image there (1 img for logo with text)
49 2012-01-11T10:24:53 <ThomasWaldmann> make sure that image has the right size for the layout and centers the logo and title vertically and has some space between logo and title
50 2012-01-11T10:28:21 <bndr> ok
51 2012-01-11T10:34:02 <qxcv> I'm looking at moin-2.0 bookmarks, could somebody explain them to me?
52 2012-01-11T10:34:11 <qxcv> I can't see what they're supposed to do
53 2012-01-11T10:38:17 <ThomasWaldmann> qxcv: you mean the "recentchanges bookmark"?
54 2012-01-11T10:38:29 <ThomasWaldmann> aka "global history bookmark"
55 2012-01-11T10:39:25 <qxcv> yes
56 2012-01-11T10:39:38 <ThomasWaldmann> did you try using it?
57 2012-01-11T10:39:45 <qxcv> yes
58 2012-01-11T10:39:57 <ThomasWaldmann> (you can also try that on moinmo.in to see the effect)
59 2012-01-11T10:40:23 <ThomasWaldmann> it is basically a timestamp saying "i read changes until there"
60 2012-01-11T10:40:38 <qxcv> oh
61 2012-01-11T10:40:41 <qxcv> I see
62 2012-01-11T10:40:44 <ThomasWaldmann> so the wiki is able to compute what you have not read already
63 2012-01-11T10:41:02 <ThomasWaldmann> moin tries not to bore people by showing them stuff they already know
64 2012-01-11T10:41:23 <qxcv> so it's a quick tool for browsing global history?
65 2012-01-11T10:41:49 <ThomasWaldmann> it is to optimize g.h.
66 2012-01-11T10:42:30 <ThomasWaldmann> it also speeds up g.h. - because it does not have to render lots of g.h. if you have read everything already except these latest 3 changes
67 2012-01-11T10:43:27 <ThomasWaldmann> you are working on the usersettings ui, right?
68 2012-01-11T10:44:17 <qxcv> I'm working on some documentation
69 2012-01-11T10:45:06 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, right
70 2012-01-11T10:45:25 <dreimark> bndr: i mean on the backside there should not only a big logo
71 2012-01-11T10:46:21 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: if you have time we maybe could discuss the front and backside of the tshirt so bndr doesn't have to deal with changing specs :)
72 2012-01-11T10:46:44 <dreimark> ok, until someone other calls me we can do it now
73 2012-01-11T10:47:13 <dreimark> frontside with logo and name looks fine to me.
74 2012-01-11T10:47:16 <ThomasWaldmann> for the backside i think it is "MoinMoin Wiki" above the logo above "http://moinmo.in"
75 2012-01-11T10:48:08 <bndr> http://www.printfection.com/moinmoin logo looks fine?
76 2012-01-11T10:48:13 <ThomasWaldmann> for the frontside small logo with "MoinMoin Wiki" below or right of it.
77 2012-01-11T10:49:09 <dreimark> MoinMoin Wiki \n <img logo> \n URL ?
78 2012-01-11T10:49:51 <ThomasWaldmann> bndr: you can keep the old logo img size, but increase distance between logo and text
79 2012-01-11T10:50:17 <dreimark> not so a big logo on the frontside, the smaller ones from yesterday are good
80 2012-01-11T10:50:18 <ThomasWaldmann> somehow you increased height of the header, which was not intended
81 2012-01-11T10:51:56 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, maybe there is some padding of the container element involved
82 2012-01-11T10:53:05 <ThomasWaldmann> at least at top and right, there seems to be none at the bottom :|
83 2012-01-11T10:54:26 <dreimark> the div of the logo has some extra space at the bottom
84 2012-01-11T10:55:08 *** Dragooon
85 2012-01-11T10:55:20 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: yes, big logo on back, small logo on front. both with explaining text "MoinMoin Wiki", URL only on backside.
86 2012-01-11T10:55:34 <dreimark> yes
87 2012-01-11T10:55:49 <dreimark> we don't need more information
88 2012-01-11T10:57:59 <bndr> check logo now
89 2012-01-11T10:58:05 <ThomasWaldmann> bndr: btw, thanks for being patient. :) of course such stuff should be discussed in advance, not while doing it.
90 2012-01-11T10:58:39 <dreimark> http://img.printfection.com/13/193709/Nay7i.jpg is assynmetric black surrounded
91 2012-01-11T10:59:42 <ThomasWaldmann> bndr: still looks a bit asymmetric, but that's maybe printfection's fault. i suggest to keep that for now.
92 2012-01-11T10:59:49 <dreimark> and it has now some extra blackborder on top
93 2012-01-11T11:00:24 <dreimark> on the shop
94 2012-01-11T11:00:27 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: if you try to drag the img with the mouse, you see that left and top is some sort of padding, not the img.
95 2012-01-11T11:00:42 <dreimark> look at the image url i gave
96 2012-01-11T11:00:46 <dreimark> http://img.printfection.com/13/193709/Nay7i.jpg
97 2012-01-11T11:01:13 <dreimark> it is on both, but we can keep it
98 2012-01-11T11:02:05 <eSyr> http://www.cafepress.com/moinmoin.610650419 hehe
99 2012-01-11T11:02:37 <dreimark> lol
100 2012-01-11T11:05:16 <bndr> dreimark: i've just crop borders, and upload neew logo. now it looks awful
101 2012-01-11T11:07:04 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr: i don't think many non-native speakers get that
102 2012-01-11T11:07:45 <ThomasWaldmann> bndr: as i said, they have left and top padding/margin, but nothing at the bottom
103 2012-01-11T11:08:23 <ThomasWaldmann> which sucks, but i guess it is rather unlikely they would change that
104 2012-01-11T11:09:38 * bndr trying to customize html template
105 2012-01-11T11:25:17 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: this is still open and todo? https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/issue/137
106 2012-01-11T11:26:32 <bndr> i fixed default css
107 2012-01-11T11:26:37 <bndr> check logo now
108 2012-01-11T11:27:57 <ThomasWaldmann> nice! :)
109 2012-01-11T11:28:34 <bndr> http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/001/987/fyeah.jpg
110 2012-01-11T11:29:33 <ThomasWaldmann> :) can you please document the changes? on your wiki page, just in case they change something and we must reapply the changes.
111 2012-01-11T11:29:58 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: have to check that later, but i think on the workflow nothing has changed since end of the year
112 2012-01-11T11:30:30 <dreimark> bbl
113 2012-01-11T11:47:02 <bndr> http://moinmo.in/Accessory%20for%20Moin%20Fans
114 2012-01-11T11:48:56 <bndr> check please
115 2012-01-11T11:49:02 <ThomasWaldmann> qxcv: don't submit ...#preview urls
116 2012-01-11T11:51:21 <qxcv> ThomasWaldmann: sorry, didn't notice it until I had submitted it ;)
117 2012-01-11T11:52:52 <bndr> i I'm starting to hate this text captcha . i've already memorized all the questions but i still have to answer them
118 2012-01-11T11:54:16 <ThomasWaldmann> qxcv: "Your username or alias will still show in the history pages of items you edit, but you will not be able to log in using your account."
119 2012-01-11T11:54:49 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe rather "you have edited"? because you won't be editing anything under your login from then on.
120 2012-01-11T11:55:05 * qxcv fixes
121 2012-01-11T11:56:34 <ThomasWaldmann> the bookmarking section is maybe a bit too specific when talking about vandalism
122 2012-01-11T11:57:04 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe just "... looking for unread changes."
123 2012-01-11T11:57:43 <ThomasWaldmann> and s/verify/read/
124 2012-01-11T11:58:15 <bndr> ThomasWaldmann: i've document changes now what i need to do?
125 2012-01-11T11:59:38 <ThomasWaldmann> did you make the changes we talked about?
126 2012-01-11T12:00:08 <bndr> url on backside?
127 2012-01-11T12:00:51 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, for example
128 2012-01-11T12:02:38 <bndr> ok
129 2012-01-11T12:04:55 <ThomasWaldmann> bndr: btw, do you think you could use FirstnameLastname on the wiki as your username?
130 2012-01-11T12:05:15 <bndr> ok
131 2012-01-11T12:05:47 <ThomasWaldmann> and maybe rename your homepage to the new name also (and add some useful details)
132 2012-01-11T12:06:20 <ThomasWaldmann> I'ld add you to trusted editors, so you don't get textcha questions
133 2012-01-11T12:07:46 <bndr> at the backside there must be a logo, "MonMoin Wiki" prase below it, and url below the prase?
134 2012-01-11T12:08:45 <ThomasWaldmann> well, my first idea was "MoinMoin Wiki", below that the logo, below that "http://moinmo.in"
135 2012-01-11T12:09:09 <ThomasWaldmann> but if you like, try your idea also and see what's looking better
136 2012-01-11T12:16:36 <qxcv> ThomasWaldmann: any other suggestions for that documentation page?
137 2012-01-11T12:17:33 <bndr> http://img.printfection.com/1/3267/13006474/oKhIK.jpg
138 2012-01-11T12:17:49 <bndr> good?
139 2012-01-11T12:19:16 <Dragooon> Out of general curiosity, what IDE/editor do you guys use for Python development?
140 2012-01-11T12:21:29 <qxcv> Dragooon: vim + python autocomplete ftw :D
141 2012-01-11T12:23:54 <ThomasWaldmann> qxcv: well, we might need to change it if we change the theme and stuff is not "at the top of the page" anymore
142 2012-01-11T12:24:09 <ThomasWaldmann> but you can't do much about that
143 2012-01-11T12:25:14 <ThomasWaldmann> except maybe having some sort of image with some arrows pointing at stuff and leaving away "at the top of ..." in the explanation of the items
144 2012-01-11T12:25:50 <qxcv> images tend not to play well with Sphinx
145 2012-01-11T12:26:22 <qxcv> they don't scale properly when the screen gets resized, and they're fairly ugly
146 2012-01-11T12:26:24 <bndr> ThomasWaldmann: http://img.printfection.com/1/3267/13006474/oKhIK.jpg
147 2012-01-11T12:26:33 <bndr> ThomasWaldmann: thats right?
148 2012-01-11T12:26:35 <ThomasWaldmann> qxcv: uh, really?
149 2012-01-11T12:27:07 <ThomasWaldmann> qxcv: ok, then just leave it as is. thanks for the MOINTODO btw, interesting.
150 2012-01-11T12:28:43 <ThomasWaldmann> bndr: i am not sure how many people recognize the lower string as an URL
151 2012-01-11T12:29:07 <ThomasWaldmann> at least of they're not from india :)
152 2012-01-11T12:29:50 <ThomasWaldmann> thus I suggested http://moinmo.in (you'll need a small font then, of course)
153 2012-01-11T12:30:08 <ThomasWaldmann> qxcv: what do you think about http://img.printfection.com/1/3267/13006474/oKhIK.jpg ?
154 2012-01-11T12:30:15 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: ^^
155 2012-01-11T12:33:06 <bndr> check now please
156 2012-01-11T12:33:08 <bndr> http://img.printfection.com/1/3267/13006474/oKhIK.jpg
157 2012-01-11T12:38:01 <dreimark> re
158 2012-01-11T12:39:07 <bndr> sooo
159 2012-01-11T12:41:19 <dreimark> qxcv: i added your name to the TEG so you have not to answer textchas anymore
160 2012-01-11T12:41:41 <dreimark> bndr: your name didn't sound like a wiki username
161 2012-01-11T12:43:11 <ThomasWaldmann> bndr: the "p" of http looks truncated
162 2012-01-11T12:43:38 <ThomasWaldmann> also, maybe leave a little more space between logo and texts
163 2012-01-11T12:43:52 <dreimark> qxcv: you need to use the figure directive. And you can have a caption by that too
164 2012-01-11T12:45:58 <dreimark> bndr: can you make an example with a little bir more space for \n
165 2012-01-11T12:46:45 <bndr> ok
166 2012-01-11T12:47:04 <qxcv> dreimark: thanks, wiki editing is going to be a little easier now :)
167 2012-01-11T12:47:05 <bndr> i've also changed wiki name
168 2012-01-11T12:47:06 <bndr> http://moinmo.in/EvgrafovVladimir
169 2012-01-11T12:47:13 <qxcv> I'll test out the figure directive now
170 2012-01-11T12:48:53 <dreimark> bndr: added you also
171 2012-01-11T12:49:23 <bndr> ok
172 2012-01-11T12:50:39 <dreimark> Dragooon: eclipse + pydev, and vim with python.vim from http://moinmo.in/CodingStyle
173 2012-01-11T12:51:40 <Dragooon> dreimark: Interesting
174 2012-01-11T12:52:58 <bndr> check http://img.printfection.com/1/3267/13006474/oKhIK.jpg
175 2012-01-11T12:54:17 * dreimark looks ok
176 2012-01-11T12:54:37 <dreimark> another question, how does this look on a darker color. e.g. black
177 2012-01-11T12:57:27 <ThomasWaldmann> bndr: the // is same font as the other text?
178 2012-01-11T12:57:48 <bndr> yep
179 2012-01-11T12:57:52 <bndr> i'll try to delete colors that looks bad
180 2012-01-11T12:58:25 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, just wondered, looks a little strangely thin
181 2012-01-11T12:59:15 <ThomasWaldmann> looks fine now, we can use this (at least for light coloured t-shirts, dark ones have to be seen)
182 2012-01-11T12:59:37 <ThomasWaldmann> many geeks somehow prefer black
183 2012-01-11T12:59:46 <bndr> i'll upload same with white text
184 2012-01-11T13:04:11 <qxcv> dreimark: I'm trying out the figure directive and I can't get the image to scale when I resize the browser, do you know how to make it do this?
185 2012-01-11T13:04:52 <Dragooon> Black is more awesome
186 2012-01-11T13:04:54 <Dragooon> For some odd reason
187 2012-01-11T13:05:14 <ThomasWaldmann> qxcv: if it is a png, scaling won't happen on resize. pixels are pixels.
188 2012-01-11T13:09:07 <bndr> http://img.printfection.com/1/3183/12763179/YAvO1.jpg
189 2012-01-11T13:09:13 <bndr> check
190 2012-01-11T13:10:18 <ThomasWaldmann> cool :)
191 2012-01-11T13:11:33 <ThomasWaldmann> you do historical work, this is the first moin merchandise shop! :D
192 2012-01-11T13:12:00 <bndr> :D
193 2012-01-11T13:12:38 <bndr> i will be back in a few hours
194 2012-01-11T13:12:58 <bndr> this printfection designing service drives me crazy
195 2012-01-11T13:27:59 *** bndr
196 2012-01-11T13:29:40 <qxcv> ThomasWaldmann: committed the fixes for those documentation issues you were talking about, should be good now
197 2012-01-11T13:42:54 <ThomasWaldmann> qxcv: did some minor changes on the wiki
198 2012-01-11T13:43:33 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe check other usage of "page" also. when addressing to the objects stored in moin, we should talk about "item(s)".
199 2012-01-11T13:43:56 <ThomasWaldmann> when referring to the rendered web page, it is fine to talk about (web)page
200 2012-01-11T13:45:07 <ThomasWaldmann> other than that, looks quite ok. you render it regularly with sphinx and it looks ok?
201 2012-01-11T13:45:17 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: shall i close it?
202 2012-01-11T13:47:00 <qxcv> ThomasWaldmann: I talk about "user pages" currently, is there a more correct way of saying that ("User items" sounds a bit clunky)?
203 2012-01-11T13:48:43 <ThomasWaldmann> well, page (as in "wiki item with markup text contents") is a special case of "item"
204 2012-01-11T13:49:09 <ThomasWaldmann> and item can be also a jpeg image if you like
205 2012-01-11T13:49:40 <ThomasWaldmann> moin 1.x had pages, attachments and users as the basic objects it dealt with
206 2012-01-11T13:49:54 <ThomasWaldmann> moin2 unifies that all to (mimetyped) items
207 2012-01-11T13:51:16 <qxcv> ok then, I'll leave it as is
208 2012-01-11T13:51:20 *** CIA-65
209 2012-01-11T13:51:37 <qxcv> also: pushed your wiki changes to my bb repo
210 2012-01-11T13:51:45 <qxcv> wiki page and bb repo are synced now
211 2012-01-11T13:52:58 *** CIA-59
212 2012-01-11T13:55:06 * ThomasWaldmann pulls
213 2012-01-11T13:58:07 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, looks fine
214 2012-01-11T13:59:29 <CIA-59> Sam Toyer <samATqxcvDOTnet> default * 1232:0307a3f82183 2.0/docs/user/accounts.rst: Add documentation for extra features available to registered users.
215 2012-01-11T13:59:30 <CIA-59> Sam Toyer <samATqxcvDOTnet> default * 1234:904449982567 2.0/docs/user/accounts.rst: Add thomaswaldmann's wiki edits
216 2012-01-11T13:59:31 <CIA-59> Sam Toyer <samATqxcvDOTnet> default * 1231:c1be8bf42b7e 2.0/docs/ (index.rst user/accounts.rst): Add an account documentation section.
217 2012-01-11T13:59:36 <CIA-59> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 1235:82d28d50ef22 2.0/docs/ (index.rst user/accounts.rst): merged
218 2012-01-11T13:59:39 <CIA-59> Sam Toyer <samATqxcvDOTnet> default * 1233:3fa89b398518 2.0/docs/user/accounts.rst: Documentation: correct tense, be more general
219 2012-01-11T14:00:18 * ThomasWaldmann closed task
220 2012-01-11T14:01:21 <ThomasWaldmann> qxcv: ^^
221 2012-01-11T14:01:42 <qxcv> ty
222 2012-01-11T14:02:45 <ThomasWaldmann> brb
223 2012-01-11T14:09:28 *** Dragooon
224 2012-01-11T14:12:55 *** Dragooon
225 2012-01-11T14:16:11 <dreimark> bbl
226 2012-01-11T14:21:14 *** Dragooon
227 2012-01-11T14:38:10 *** qxcv
228 2012-01-11T15:49:09 *** mridul
229 2012-01-11T16:03:40 *** raignarok
230 2012-01-11T16:16:01 <mridul> Hi!
231 2012-01-11T16:16:15 <mridul> Here for Google Code In.
232 2012-01-11T16:16:30 <mridul> My task is to create a moin2 flyer.
233 2012-01-11T16:26:34 <dreimark> mridul: url
234 2012-01-11T16:26:47 <mridul> http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7230224
235 2012-01-11T16:27:35 <mridul> Can we use a dark color scheme? Or a light one so as to make printing easy?
236 2012-01-11T16:34:02 <dreimark> mridul: you can use a dark color scheme.
237 2012-01-11T16:34:57 <mridul> That's good.
238 2012-01-11T16:35:25 <mridul> I'll upload the draft soon on the wiki page.
239 2012-01-11T16:35:36 <dreimark> thx
240 2012-01-11T16:36:18 <mridul> :)
241 2012-01-11T16:36:25 *** mridul
242 2012-01-11T16:37:11 <dreimark> bbl
243 2012-01-11T17:39:01 *** bndr
244 2012-01-11T17:49:43 *** Deep_Sky28
245 2012-01-11T17:55:00 *** bndr
246 2012-01-11T17:57:32 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: reading? did you make some other theme using a "SideBar" page except mandarin?
247 2012-01-11T18:34:44 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: a couple, but they all use the same code
248 2012-01-11T18:34:57 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: why?
249 2012-01-11T18:40:18 *** bndr
250 2012-01-11T18:40:39 <ThomasWaldmann> i am upgrading a wiki for a company and their theme seems to be derived from $OTHERTHEME and it has your (c) :)
251 2012-01-11T18:40:57 <bndr> so i added url on apparel
252 2012-01-11T18:41:05 <ThomasWaldmann> but i guess i found why it is so slow, not your fault TheSheep :)
253 2012-01-11T18:41:24 <ThomasWaldmann> there are just fscking many macros on the SideBar page
254 2012-01-11T18:41:28 <bndr> deleted some bad-lookin tshirts
255 2012-01-11T18:42:02 <bndr> check please
256 2012-01-11T18:42:37 <TheSheep> no dessert?
257 2012-01-11T18:43:22 <ThomasWaldmann> dessert? :)
258 2012-01-11T18:43:56 <TheSheep> you know, you usually say "check please" when you are leaving a restarant
259 2012-01-11T18:44:10 <ThomasWaldmann> ah :)
260 2012-01-11T18:45:49 <ThomasWaldmann> bndr: can one select whether it shows back or front on the selection page?
261 2012-01-11T18:46:20 *** greg_f
262 2012-01-11T18:46:25 <bndr> yep
263 2012-01-11T18:47:44 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, except that paradox of choice issue I guess it is fine
264 2012-01-11T18:48:17 <TheSheep> you mean the tyranny of choice
265 2012-01-11T18:48:44 <TheSheep> ah, that's another legit name
266 2012-01-11T18:48:47 <TheSheep> sorry
267 2012-01-11T18:49:02 <TheSheep> got it mixed up with the axiom of choice :)
268 2012-01-11T18:50:32 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: when using asymmetric front side, is there some rule whether the stuff has to be on the left or on the right?
269 2012-01-11T18:50:56 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: front side?
270 2012-01-11T18:51:03 <ThomasWaldmann> of the tshirt
271 2012-01-11T18:51:33 <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.printfection.com/moinmoin/American-Apparel-T-Shirt/_p_6764724 look at the left
272 2012-01-11T18:51:53 <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.printfection.com/moinmoin/Organic-Kids-T-Shirt/_p_6637085 look at the right
273 2012-01-11T18:52:08 <TheSheep> it's *design*, it all depends on what you want to *say* with it
274 2012-01-11T18:52:32 <ThomasWaldmann> hah
275 2012-01-11T18:52:54 <TheSheep> the left side is usual for putting name tags and flowers
276 2012-01-11T18:53:13 <TheSheep> and handkerchief
277 2012-01-11T18:53:17 <ThomasWaldmann> bndr: is it easy to make sub-categories? like clothing-women, -men, -kids?
278 2012-01-11T18:54:20 <ThomasWaldmann> bndr: and could you also put 3 pieces of stuff on the "other stuff" category image?
279 2012-01-11T18:54:51 <TheSheep> so putting the logo on the right side is unusual and makes people wonder why it is done that way -- and then there better be a reason :)
280 2012-01-11T18:56:17 <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.printfection.com/moinmoin/Organic-Kids-T-Shirt/_p_6637085 so that one is "wrong"? just making sure you mean the same with "right"?
281 2012-01-11T18:57:08 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: I mean "right side of the person wearing it"
282 2012-01-11T18:57:28 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: that one has the logo at left, which is common
283 2012-01-11T18:58:20 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, so on the picture, the logo has to be on the right.
284 2012-01-11T18:58:28 <TheSheep> yes
285 2012-01-11T18:58:41 <ThomasWaldmann> bndr: so on the picture, the logo has to be on the right. :)
286 2012-01-11T18:59:08 <ThomasWaldmann> which is the case for most
287 2012-01-11T18:59:13 <TheSheep> that is, unless there is really some idea behind putting it on the left side of the picture -- there might be
288 2012-01-11T18:59:45 <ThomasWaldmann> bndr: still with us? :)
289 2012-01-11T18:59:52 <bndr> ThomasWaldmann: but you earlier there it has to be tsirts with right-side logo
290 2012-01-11T19:00:06 <bndr> ThomasWaldmann: or it's just misunderstanding
291 2012-01-11T19:00:13 <bndr> ThomasWaldmann: ?
292 2012-01-11T19:00:16 <ThomasWaldmann> make sure you have same understanding
293 2012-01-11T19:00:43 <ThomasWaldmann> most pictures i see there have it on the right
294 2012-01-11T19:00:50 <bndr> ok
295 2012-01-11T19:01:10 <ThomasWaldmann> except 2 or so
296 2012-01-11T19:01:21 <ThomasWaldmann> (and I have no clue about such standards :)
297 2012-01-11T19:01:32 <ThomasWaldmann> rather ask me something about python :D
298 2012-01-11T19:01:42 <bndr> i also will make sub-categories
299 2012-01-11T19:02:01 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, and then we should close that task :)
300 2012-01-11T19:02:05 <bndr> but i dont know how to cotegorize "other stuff"
301 2012-01-11T19:02:25 <ThomasWaldmann> well, other stuff can for now stay as is
302 2012-01-11T19:02:48 <ThomasWaldmann> because your sex/age doesn't matter for bags and mousepads
303 2012-01-11T19:03:21 <ThomasWaldmann> but if you are a man, you maybe won't buy girl or kid stuff for yourself, so showing it in same view isn't helpful
304 2012-01-11T19:04:42 <bndr> so i make 3 sub-sections: "Men", "Women" and "Kids"?
305 2012-01-11T19:04:52 <bndr> thats right?
306 2012-01-11T19:05:12 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, that makes sense
307 2012-01-11T19:05:35 <ThomasWaldmann> if you choose wrong stuff there, it might look funny afterwards :D
308 2012-01-11T19:09:21 *** moin1
309 2012-01-11T19:09:28 <bndr> i think this item http://www.printfection.com/moinmoin/BBQ-Apron/_p_6637086 is for women
310 2012-01-11T19:10:48 *** moin1
311 2012-01-11T19:11:27 <abril427> what additional work would you like me to do? I submitted the work I have done on your wiki page, I will try and find a new shipper
312 2012-01-11T19:15:23 <abril427> I found a new website where I can create a personalized store for MoinMoin that will ship internationally, what adjustments would you like me to make to the products that I have designed before I resubmit the task? My task is the accessory 1/2
313 2012-01-11T19:16:32 <ThomasWaldmann> bndr: that depends on who makes the barbeque
314 2012-01-11T19:17:16 <ThomasWaldmann> abril427: if you give a melange url, it is easier
315 2012-01-11T19:18:03 <abril427> a melange URL on your wiki page?
316 2012-01-11T19:18:07 <bndr> ThomasWaldmann: there is a problem
317 2012-01-11T19:18:18 <bndr> ThomasWaldmann: one item cant be in two categories at the same time
318 2012-01-11T19:18:19 <ThomasWaldmann> abril427: the task url in the melange system
319 2012-01-11T19:18:44 <ThomasWaldmann> bndr: flip a coin then. not for kids, though.
320 2012-01-11T19:18:53 <abril427> ThomasWaldmann: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7141269
321 2012-01-11T19:20:19 <ThomasWaldmann> thanks
322 2012-01-11T19:20:46 <abril427> ThomasWaldmann: besides the shipping issue what else would you like me to fix? I believe I found a new location to create a customized store
323 2012-01-11T19:21:25 <bndr> ThomasWaldmann: so lets be a little bit chauvinistic and say cooking is the women's job :D
324 2012-01-11T19:22:02 <ThomasWaldmann> abril427: a wiki page on moinmo.in site with stuff you used for doing it (do not use 3rd party services for wiki and images), a link to the shop site.
325 2012-01-11T19:22:35 <ThomasWaldmann> abril427: and if you discuss the shop site first with us, some mentor can have a quick look if it looks good
326 2012-01-11T19:24:13 <ThomasWaldmann> abril427: also, use "MoinMoin Wiki", logo below that, "http://moinmo.in" below that (for the back side of tshirts)
327 2012-01-11T19:24:57 <abril427> ThomasWaldmann: Okay, can you check if this will be okay as a location for the shop site I will create - http://www.spreadshirt.com/
328 2012-01-11T19:25:48 <abril427> ThomasWaldmann: okay, I will make the adjustments to the designs
329 2012-01-11T19:26:13 <ThomasWaldmann> abril427: use small logo and "MoinMoin Wiki" right or below that (for front side of tshirts). if you look at the t-shirt picture, it should be on the right side.
330 2012-01-11T19:26:37 <ThomasWaldmann> abril427: ah, someone suggested that yesterday also
331 2012-01-11T19:27:20 <abril427> ThomasWaldmann: I'll move the image and add the text. Is the website location okay?
332 2012-01-11T19:32:46 <ThomasWaldmann> abril427: do you know whether their intl branches cooperate somehow?
333 2012-01-11T19:33:10 <ThomasWaldmann> like there is spreadshirt.com for US primarily and .de for germany primarily.
334 2012-01-11T19:33:27 <ThomasWaldmann> does it mean that one design will be available via both sites?
335 2012-01-11T19:34:14 <bndr> http://www.printfection.com/moinmoin
336 2012-01-11T19:34:22 <bndr> check now please
337 2012-01-11T19:36:06 <ThomasWaldmann> bndr: hmm, i suggest to remove that bbq item. i guess we can easier live without one than discussing why this is in the womens category :D
338 2012-01-11T19:36:33 <bndr> lol
339 2012-01-11T19:36:34 <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.printfection.com/moinmoin/BBQ-Apron/_p_6637086
340 2012-01-11T19:36:34 <bndr> ok
341 2012-01-11T19:37:02 <bndr> done
342 2012-01-11T19:37:02 <abril427> ThomasWaldman: it should be available on every site, the website makes the adjustment for you according to the language you choose to display the site it
343 2012-01-11T19:37:31 <ThomasWaldmann> abril427: that sounds great for saving shipment costs (if it really works)
344 2012-01-11T19:38:01 <ThomasWaldmann> abril427: ok, try spreadshirt.com
345 2012-01-11T19:39:30 <abril427> ThomasWaldmann: Okay thank you. I will make the design adjustments also. After I do so and create the page on the moinmoin wiki with my info, will it be ready for submission?
346 2012-01-11T19:39:46 <ThomasWaldmann> abril427: did we discuss font for the text?
347 2012-01-11T19:39:55 <bndr> ThomasWaldmann: i also moved logo to pocketside
348 2012-01-11T19:40:59 <ThomasWaldmann> bndr: that white space under the black bar that says "Kids" (for example), is that intended for more text?
349 2012-01-11T19:41:23 <abril427> ThomasWaldmann: No, we did not. Is there a specific text you would like me to use?
350 2012-01-11T19:41:33 <ThomasWaldmann> abril427: Franklin Gothic Medium
351 2012-01-11T19:41:45 <ThomasWaldmann> (that was also used for other designs)
352 2012-01-11T19:41:58 <abril427> ThomasWaldmann: okay I will make sure to use that text
353 2012-01-11T19:42:07 <ThomasWaldmann> that font
354 2012-01-11T19:42:09 <bndr> ThomasWaldmann: http://www.printfection.com/moinmoin/Kids/_s_488976
355 2012-01-11T19:42:17 <bndr> ThomasWaldmann: there?
356 2012-01-11T19:42:30 <ThomasWaldmann> yes
357 2012-01-11T19:42:38 <bndr> yep
358 2012-01-11T19:42:59 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, we can do that later with the control panel
359 2012-01-11T19:43:06 <bndr> ok
360 2012-01-11T19:43:12 <ThomasWaldmann> bndr: so, all done?
361 2012-01-11T19:43:28 <bndr> ThomasWaldmann: think so
362 2012-01-11T19:43:44 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, then submit wiki page url to melange
363 2012-01-11T19:44:30 <abril427> ThomasWaldmann: is there specific colors you would like me to use as the store background and/or T-shirt colors
364 2012-01-11T19:45:08 <ThomasWaldmann> abril427: many geeks like black t-shirts (that doesn't mean there could not be a white one also :)
365 2012-01-11T19:45:09 <bndr> done
366 2012-01-11T19:45:28 <abril427> ok
367 2012-01-11T19:45:37 <ThomasWaldmann> abril427: for the shop background, don't make it too dark. white might be better there.
368 2012-01-11T19:46:13 <ThomasWaldmann> also, you hardly see black tshirts on black bg.
369 2012-01-11T19:46:37 <ThomasWaldmann> abril427: do they want personal data when opening a shop?
370 2012-01-11T19:47:20 <ThomasWaldmann> bndr: the url submitted does not point to a existing wiki page
371 2012-01-11T19:48:06 <bndr> ThomasWaldmann: hm
372 2012-01-11T19:48:26 <abril427> ThomasWaldmann: yes would you like me to insert your information? I have to leave the chat, I will come back later, can you please leave a comment in the code in with your answer. thank you
373 2012-01-11T19:48:31 *** abril427
374 2012-01-11T19:48:42 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, double escaping
375 2012-01-11T19:48:55 <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/Accessory%20for%20Moin%20Fans < use that url
376 2012-01-11T19:49:20 <ThomasWaldmann> and if it is still wrong, replace %20 by a blank when submitting to melange
377 2012-01-11T19:50:44 <bndr> melange convert all submited urls
378 2012-01-11T19:50:53 <bndr> i use link shortener
379 2012-01-11T19:51:04 <ThomasWaldmann> if you use space it'll work
380 2012-01-11T19:51:15 <ThomasWaldmann> because then melange will make %20 likely
381 2012-01-11T19:51:41 *** Deep_Sky28
382 2012-01-11T19:51:47 <ThomasWaldmann> you could file a melange bug "don't touch my URLs!"
383 2012-01-11T19:52:28 <bndr> hah
384 2012-01-11T19:54:09 <ThomasWaldmann> for abril427, when he comes back: yes, I'ld like to use my information when creating the shop account.
385 2012-01-11T19:54:12 <bndr> it refuses to take url with spasces
386 2012-01-11T19:54:17 * ThomasWaldmann needs to go now
387 2012-01-11T19:54:22 <bndr> i used bit.ly
388 2012-01-11T19:54:26 <ThomasWaldmann> bndr: hah
389 2012-01-11T19:54:34 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, seen that and closed the task
390 2012-01-11T19:54:46 <bndr> thanks
391 2012-01-11T19:54:50 <ThomasWaldmann> bndr: but that's somehow a double fault
392 2012-01-11T19:54:53 <bndr> :-*
393 2012-01-11T19:55:25 <ThomasWaldmann> otoh they reject "invalid" URLs (with space), otoh they try to escape URLs (making them valid?)
394 2012-01-11T19:55:52 <ThomasWaldmann> but in the end, they make valid URLs with %20 invalid by double-escaping them to %2520
395 2012-01-11T19:56:45 <bndr> its epic
396 2012-01-11T19:57:34 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, melange is also in python :) like moin.
397 2012-01-11T20:01:46 *** bndr
398 2012-01-11T21:46:53 *** Dragooon
399 2012-01-11T23:10:19 *** raignarok
400 2012-01-11T23:35:01 <ThomasWaldmann> re
