1 2011-12-10T00:06:48 *** sungji
2 2011-12-10T00:30:47 *** grzywacz
3 2011-12-10T00:32:11 *** grzywacz
4 2011-12-10T00:35:14 *** RogerHaase
5 2011-12-10T00:53:42 *** raignarok
6 2011-12-10T01:00:16 *** grzywacz
7 2011-12-10T01:31:16 *** bgola
8 2011-12-10T02:57:59 *** qxcv
9 2011-12-10T03:20:43 *** eSyr
10 2011-12-10T03:25:59 *** eSyr
11 2011-12-10T04:31:14 <MattMaker> ThomasWaldmann: may be of interest; my patch to make 'pip install' honor declared extras (dependencies) has been merged. https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/7
12 2011-12-10T04:33:03 *** brunomartin
13 2011-12-10T08:54:29 *** grzywacz
14 2011-12-10T08:54:30 *** grzywacz
15 2011-12-10T09:23:13 *** raignarok
16 2011-12-10T09:46:27 *** raignarok
17 2011-12-10T11:39:11 *** greg_f
18 2011-12-10T11:42:10 *** grzywacz
19 2011-12-10T11:56:13 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
20 2011-12-10T11:58:16 <ThomasWaldmann> MattMaker: ah, sounds good :)
21 2011-12-10T13:13:27 <dreimark> moin
22 2011-12-10T13:16:10 *** gnarula
23 2011-12-10T13:19:53 * ThomasWaldmann leaves to shackspace
24 2011-12-10T14:28:32 *** qxcv
25 2011-12-10T14:49:45 *** RogerHaase
26 2011-12-10T14:54:28 <dreimark> bbl
27 2011-12-10T16:43:45 *** gnarula
28 2011-12-10T17:16:26 <ThomasWaldmann> re
29 2011-12-10T17:33:25 *** pkumar
30 2011-12-10T17:33:31 <pkumar> moin
31 2011-12-10T17:35:28 <ThomasWaldmann> hi pkumar
32 2011-12-10T17:38:07 <pkumar> finding a new room in big cities is really a mess
33 2011-12-10T17:41:17 <ThomasWaldmann> sometimes also big cities are a big mess :)
34 2011-12-10T17:41:34 <pkumar> indeed :)
35 2011-12-10T17:42:10 <pkumar> most of them
36 2011-12-10T18:02:16 <RogerHaase> Probably a silly question: anyone else here using Windows?
37 2011-12-10T18:03:59 <RogerHaase> I can not access the built-in server using 127.0.0.1 (this used to work back in July): http://paste.pocoo.org/show/518879/
38 2011-12-10T18:06:19 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: did you try both localhost and 127.0.0.1
39 2011-12-10T18:06:26 <RogerHaase> The 404's above are from Firefox and Chrome, The exception is from IE9 (when it doesn't hang -- see issue 36).
40 2011-12-10T18:07:11 <RogerHaase> Yes, localhost works OK, except I have hang problem with IE9.
41 2011-12-10T18:09:36 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: your werkzeug version?
42 2011-12-10T18:11:00 <RogerHaase> 0.8.1 -- recent clone
43 2011-12-10T18:11:24 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: join #pocoo
44 2011-12-10T18:16:59 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, seems to be known and fixed in some branches
45 2011-12-10T18:17:35 <RogerHaase> Does that mean the IE9 exception or the 404's?
46 2011-12-10T18:27:43 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: i showed the traceback there
47 2011-12-10T19:01:21 *** greg_f
48 2011-12-10T19:08:07 <ThomasWaldmann> can we define some small UI tasks?
49 2011-12-10T19:11:24 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: http://img1.uploadscreenshot.com/images/orig/12/34313070645-orig.png do you know how to get the upper right corner right?
50 2011-12-10T19:18:11 *** sungji
51 2011-12-10T19:23:53 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: "right" would be to move the search box underneath the login/settings/logout? I would try enclosing both in a div.
52 2011-12-10T19:37:52 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, trying in on container div now
53 2011-12-10T19:38:03 *** grzywacz
54 2011-12-10T19:38:03 *** grzywacz
55 2011-12-10T19:48:16 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: Maybe I should have asked more questions. are those floated right? then maybe just a clear: right would have worked
56 2011-12-10T19:49:33 <ThomasWaldmann> well, i got them to the right, but the liquid behaviour is worse
57 2011-12-10T19:50:02 <ThomasWaldmann> http://img1.uploadscreenshot.com/images/orig/12/34313461288-orig.png big width
58 2011-12-10T19:51:02 <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.uploadscreenshot.com/image/620344/3879205 small width
59 2011-12-10T19:55:14 <RogerHaase> What do you want on the small width? The choices are both bad: horizontal scroll bar vs. left side floats under right side.
60 2011-12-10T19:56:57 <RogerHaase> Both localhost and 127.0.0.1 work on my 5 month old Bitbucket repository with the transclusion patches. It has werkzeug 0.6.2. I have found that upgrading that to werkzeug 0.8.1 is not easy. Is there a way?
61 2011-12-10T19:57:39 <ThomasWaldmann> http://img1.uploadscreenshot.com/images/orig/12/34313532799-orig.png
62 2011-12-10T20:03:53 <RogerHaase> Not sure what you are asking. When you shrink the width, the left/right of the top bar will either float under, you will get a horizontal scroll bar, or maybe there is a way to make the left/right side overlay the other. All bad choices.
63 2011-12-10T20:06:03 <ThomasWaldmann> about werkzeug: if one just installs the env freshly, you get all current
64 2011-12-10T20:06:32 <ThomasWaldmann> and i reviewed our code when I raised the requirements recently. maybe there is a fixed 0.8.2 soon.
65 2011-12-10T20:07:28 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: with low width, user/search would be better if they were both at the top. but with big width, they are better both right, below each other.
66 2011-12-10T20:08:24 <ThomasWaldmann> http://img1.uploadscreenshot.com/images/orig/12/34314044490-orig.png
67 2011-12-10T20:09:02 <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.uploadscreenshot.com/image/620378/5480561
68 2011-12-10T20:09:21 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, maybe it doesn't get much better scalable than this, without css3 tricks
69 2011-12-10T20:10:30 <RogerHaase> Maybe another way is to put both login and search into right sidebar?
70 2011-12-10T20:10:30 <ThomasWaldmann> do you think i can implant that into moin2 as a base for more work? or should we fix some stuff first in that layout?
71 2011-12-10T20:10:52 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, i considered that, but somehow people expect search at top right, right?
72 2011-12-10T20:11:26 <ThomasWaldmann> and if I waste that space for that, i have place at the left for the breadcrumbs (and also a little for the login at the right then).
73 2011-12-10T20:12:36 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, the logo there looks a bit too small. just make it bigger or stretch it with css somehow?
74 2011-12-10T20:14:40 <RogerHaase> If you put login and search in the right sidebar, it would be at top right. I find the breadcrumbs a bit confusing withou a label. I would move breadcrumbs to a sidebar under a label.
75 2011-12-10T20:15:36 <RogerHaase> Ok, not confusing for me, but confusing to new users
76 2011-12-10T20:17:42 <ThomasWaldmann> well, the right bar should be "local" stuff only (local as for "related to this item somehow")
77 2011-12-10T20:18:33 <ThomasWaldmann> and for the breadcrumbs, we never had a label yet, any user will find that out after a few clicks, no?
78 2011-12-10T20:20:00 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, somehow I find the headline underlining too thick (they get less thick as the headlines get smaller, but still)
79 2011-12-10T20:22:53 <RogerHaase> Well, the breadcrumbs are going to have wrapping issues if the pagemanes are long, and they are not yet beautiful. So I don't think they should have a prominent place at the top of the page.
80 2011-12-10T20:26:26 <RogerHaase> The headline underlines look OK to me.
81 2011-12-10T20:28:18 <dreimark> re
82 2011-12-10T20:32:28 <dreimark> yes not on top breadcrumbs
83 2011-12-10T20:32:59 <dreimark> that makes the layout uglx
84 2011-12-10T20:33:04 <dreimark> *y
85 2011-12-10T20:33:51 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: instead of the big logo left hand, we can replace WikiName with it
86 2011-12-10T20:34:20 <dreimark> we should may be aqlso hae icons for different NameSpace
87 2011-12-10T20:34:58 <RogerHaase> Back to werkzeug: I did "pip install upgrade werkzeug", started the server and got: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/518945/, then tried quickinstall.bat and it reinstalled werkzeug 0.6.2
88 2011-12-10T20:35:20 <dreimark> mv env emv-old
89 2011-12-10T20:35:24 <dreimark> ./quickinstall
90 2011-12-10T20:35:35 <dreimark> RogerHaase: i would do that
91 2011-12-10T20:36:10 <dreimark> hmm, wait it is --upgrade or?
92 2011-12-10T20:38:15 <RogerHaase> dreimark: I am trying to upgrade 5 month old repository to werkzeug 0.8.1 -- I am trying to isolate crazy windows bug dealing with 127.0.0.1 vs. localhost
93 2011-12-10T20:39:36 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, i move breadcrumbs left
94 2011-12-10T20:39:38 <dreimark> ip install --upgrade werkzeug
95 2011-12-10T20:39:46 <dreimark> +p
96 2011-12-10T20:39:50 <dreimark> RogerHaase: ^
97 2011-12-10T20:40:03 <ThomasWaldmann> the reason why i put them on top is also because location AND path breadcrumbs are then at same place
98 2011-12-10T20:40:27 <RogerHaase> dreimark: that gives me: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/518945/
99 2011-12-10T20:40:45 <dreimark> i think it don't fit into right sidebar. how is it below quicklinks?
100 2011-12-10T20:40:52 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: ^
101 2011-12-10T20:41:55 <ThomasWaldmann> and also location is somehow last path element
102 2011-12-10T20:42:20 <dreimark> ththe last can be removed
103 2011-12-10T20:42:49 <dreimark> if it is th e current
104 2011-12-10T20:43:31 <dreimark> RogerHaase: which py version=
105 2011-12-10T20:43:42 <RogerHaase> 2.6.5
106 2011-12-10T20:46:08 * dreimark tries PYTHON=/usr/bin/python2.6 ./quickinstall
107 2011-12-10T20:54:03 <dreimark> RogerHaase: this is 2.6.7 at my box and it installs werkzeug.__version__
108 2011-12-10T20:54:03 <dreimark> '0.8.1'
109 2011-12-10T20:55:43 <dreimark> RogerHaase: what happens if you call pip install https://github.com/mitsuhiko/werkzeug/zipball/master
110 2011-12-10T20:58:28 <RogerHaase> dreimark: right, using current repository I get werkzeug 0.8.1 OK. Problem there is localhost works, but 127.0.0.1 gives 404 Not found for all wiki pages across all browsers??? I have a 5 month old repository with werkzeug 0.6.2 where both localhost and 127.0.0.1 work OK. So I am trying to upgrade only werkzeug in this 5 month old repository.
111 2011-12-10T21:01:03 <RogerHaase> I don't know if my problem is even related to werkzeug, it is just current guess.
112 2011-12-10T21:01:40 <ThomasWaldmann> http://img1.uploadscreenshot.com/images/orig/12/34314580066-orig.png
113 2011-12-10T21:03:02 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: much better, I think
114 2011-12-10T21:03:33 * dreimark too
115 2011-12-10T21:05:05 <dreimark> without the logo i guess it looks better. so we have to find a new place for the logo ?
116 2011-12-10T21:07:05 <RogerHaase> Personnally, I like the logo at the top left
117 2011-12-10T21:08:25 <ThomasWaldmann> that's the ONLY place for a logo
118 2011-12-10T21:08:35 <ThomasWaldmann> except for rtl countries, maybe
119 2011-12-10T21:09:37 <ThomasWaldmann> a problem with that layout is a bit that there might be many global links, namespaces, quicklinks, so login and trail might be far down there
120 2011-12-10T21:10:35 <ThomasWaldmann> but we can have a dropdown at the wikiname, at the namespace :)
121 2011-12-10T21:10:37 <dreimark> wp has login/register on top right
122 2011-12-10T21:10:50 <ThomasWaldmann> we just killed the space there
123 2011-12-10T21:11:33 <ThomasWaldmann> and if you put it there now, the left will be mostly empty, not looking good. and if you make the location bigger, people will again think it is the "title"
124 2011-12-10T21:11:51 <dreimark> we need also that "open/close" navigation for many links
125 2011-12-10T21:12:21 <RogerHaase> wikimedia starts with most of left side sections contracted, you click to expand a section and it remembers state on next page access
126 2011-12-10T21:13:25 <dreimark> the logo is vertical middle above ours
127 2011-12-10T21:13:37 <RogerHaase> sorry, meant mediawiki: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki
128 2011-12-10T21:14:00 <ThomasWaldmann> http://codereview.appspot.com/5480059 ok, please comment there for changes on src level
129 2011-12-10T21:14:29 <ThomasWaldmann> (just for the basic stuff now, we can refine/add later)
130 2011-12-10T21:16:53 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, i reduce heading underline width and they jump less in my face now
131 2011-12-10T21:49:28 *** pkumar
132 2011-12-10T21:50:30 <RogerHaase> review done
133 2011-12-10T22:00:54 * ThomasWaldmann looks
134 2011-12-10T22:06:31 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: ok, print css is still todo, spacer is redundant still
135 2011-12-10T22:08:19 *** eSyr
136 2011-12-10T22:09:54 <RogerHaase> updates for windows part of installation docs: http://codereview.appspot.com/5479055/
137 2011-12-10T22:14:41 <ThomasWaldmann> wasn't -p1 the default anyway?
138 2011-12-10T22:15:43 <RogerHaase> without the -p1 I got the endless forking loop
139 2011-12-10T22:16:28 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, pil is not required
140 2011-12-10T22:16:33 *** eSyr
141 2011-12-10T22:16:47 <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: can you check the code about why it is not default?
142 2011-12-10T22:17:40 *** raignarok
143 2011-12-10T22:18:06 <ThomasWaldmann> and maybe "Troubleshooting" should be a bigger heading than "Bad Network Connection" and "PIL Installation under Windows"
144 2011-12-10T22:22:39 <RogerHaase> will check code -- just reverified forking loop without -p1; will fix headings on next try
145 2011-12-10T22:44:03 <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: default is None per line 50 of index.py: Option('--procs', '-p', required=False, dest='procs', type=int, default=None,
146 2011-12-10T22:44:04 <RogerHaase> help='Number of processors the writer will use.'),
147 2011-12-10T22:51:55 <ThomasWaldmann> and if None is given to the called code, doesn't it use 1?
148 2011-12-10T22:53:19 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe we could use 1 as default. and if 0 is given, it'ld mean "use all cpus (autodetect)"
149 2011-12-10T23:00:50 <RogerHaase> in indexing.py we have: def rebuild(self, tmp=False, procs=1, limitmb=256): -- but procs=None is being passed in from index.py. We just need to set default=1 in index.py.
150 2011-12-10T23:01:51 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, and check 0 and use None then
151 2011-12-10T23:02:05 <ThomasWaldmann> None triggers the "use all cpus" behaviour in whoosh
152 2011-12-10T23:09:02 <RogerHaase> if I understand you, I changed code in index.py to default to 1. Now moin index-build -s -i works under Windows and moin index-build -s -i -p0 causes the forking loop. I cannot use -pNone because it demands an int.
153 2011-12-10T23:14:24 <ThomasWaldmann> well, in that case you have to check the whoosh docs, whether None and 0 means same
154 2011-12-10T23:14:35 <ThomasWaldmann> (or whether just None is documented)
155 2011-12-10T23:18:47 <RogerHaase> well, index.py was odd code as it said type=int, but then defaulted to None: http://codereview.appspot.com/5479055
156 2011-12-10T23:19:40 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, can anybody confirm that template loading from themes dir works?
157 2011-12-10T23:24:12 <ThomasWaldmann> self.procs = procs or cpu_count()
158 2011-12-10T23:24:22 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, so 0 will also trigger the behaviour
159 2011-12-10T23:27:01 <RogerHaase> right, as of changeset, -p0 and -p2 causes the forking loop, -p1 or "" work (well, they terminate with apparent success, there is still the next issue as to whether the index files are built correctly)
160 2011-12-10T23:31:34 <RogerHaase> gtg, dinner and then Republican debate on TV tonight
161 2011-12-10T23:32:02 *** RogerHaase
162 2011-12-10T23:34:23 *** grzywacz
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