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   4 2011-10-30T03:49:11  <ThomasWaldmann> ronny: https://bitbucket.org/thomaswaldmann/moin-2.0/issue/81
   5 2011-10-30T03:49:24  <ThomasWaldmann> result of some brainstorming here in brazil
   6 2011-10-30T05:39:44  <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 1016:f9f1170c273e 2.0/MoinMoin/storage/middleware/routing.py: fix name for root item on mounted backend, no trailing slash!
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  18 2011-10-30T12:02:59  <dreimark> if one has time, make pass through http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo
  19 2011-10-30T12:03:56  <dreimark> we need 5 for each major category sorted by difficulty level
  20 2011-10-30T12:04:50  <dreimark> bbl
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  32 2011-10-30T16:10:31  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
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  40 2011-10-30T17:31:06  <vedranm> ThomasWaldmann: is it too early to talk about 1.9 import issues?
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  45 2011-10-30T17:37:56  <ThomasWaldmann> vedranm: no, feedback or even contributions are always welcome
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  49 2011-10-30T17:58:47  <vedranm> ThomasWaldmann: please take a look then at http://inf2.ffri.hr:8080/ and http://inf2.ffri.hr/redwiki
  50 2011-10-30T17:59:07  <vedranm> first is 2.0 imported from second
  51 2011-10-30T17:59:12  <vedranm> which is 1.9.3
  52 2011-10-30T17:59:49  <vedranm> there are two issues I noticed
  53 2011-10-30T17:59:59  <vedranm> first is that all users are anonymous"
  54 2011-10-30T18:00:13  <vedranm> as you can see by looking at any page's History
  55 2011-10-30T18:00:29  <vedranm> second is that some pages, e.g. http://inf2.ffri.hr:8080/UMS/2011-2012/SeminarskiRadovi/Ns3Internals get cut
  56 2011-10-30T18:00:50  <vedranm> if you compare it with original one http://inf2.ffri.hr/redwiki/UMS/2011-2012/SeminarskiRadovi/Ns3Internals
  57 2011-10-30T18:00:54  <vedranm> you will understand what I mean
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  61 2011-10-30T18:47:58  <dreimark> vedranm: i guess user profiles are currently not imported or converted
  62 2011-10-30T18:48:48  <dreimark> you shoul create an issue on the tracker a) we don't miss it b) someone can jump on it and work on it
  63 2011-10-30T18:57:12  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: about #81. can we have namespace definition of an item in meta?
  64 2011-10-30T18:57:42  <dreimark> or is this to much granularity?
  65 2011-10-30T18:57:51  <dreimark> s/to/too/g
  66 2011-10-30T18:59:41  <dreimark> so for example one can define the Interwiki shortcut in the items meta data
  67 2011-10-30T19:20:34  <ThomasWaldmann> vedranm: re, sorry, got distracted and the wireless had interruptions
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  69 2011-10-30T19:24:35  <ThomasWaldmann> vedranm: no that is no truncation, just the revision order is wrong
  70 2011-10-30T19:26:20  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: yes, the namespace of a revision must be in meta
  71 2011-10-30T19:26:50  <ThomasWaldmann> because we could have multiple namespaces stored into same backend, so there is no 1:1 relation between ns and be
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  73 2011-10-30T19:44:10  <ThomasWaldmann> vedranm: can you check whether it told "lost <userid>" with the userids that are missing now on history view?
  74 2011-10-30T19:47:09  <ThomasWaldmann> vedranm: or did it say "Exception in user item processing <old_userid>"?
  75 2011-10-30T19:47:34  <vedranm> sure
  76 2011-10-30T19:47:36  <vedranm> just a second
  77 2011-10-30T19:48:20  <dreimark> ok, htg, bbl
  78 2011-10-30T19:52:18  <vedranm> ThomasWaldmann: is it true about user profiles  a) we don't miss it?
  79 2011-10-30T19:53:17  <vedranm> no "lost <userid>"
  80 2011-10-30T19:53:27  <ThomasWaldmann> wel, we can do a little research now, but if we can't resolve it now, you should file an issue
  81 2011-10-30T19:54:32  <ThomasWaldmann> your user_dir, was it below your data_dir, like data/user/123.456789.0 ?
  82 2011-10-30T19:56:00  <vedranm> ThomasWaldmann: yes
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  84 2011-10-30T20:03:15  <vedranm> ThomasWaldmann: http://pastebin.com/VvK7eVGA
  85 2011-10-30T20:03:20  <vedranm> this is my import2.log
  86 2011-10-30T20:03:25  <ThomasWaldmann> can you do a moin index-dump and see how the user profiles in there look like?
  87 2011-10-30T20:04:12  <vedranm> Moin 1.9 or Moin 2.0?
  88 2011-10-30T20:04:15  <vedranm> and how do I do that?
  89 2011-10-30T20:05:28  <ThomasWaldmann> TypeError: retrieve() takes exactly 3 arguments (2 given)
  90 2011-10-30T20:05:31  <ThomasWaldmann> oops
  91 2011-10-30T20:06:15  <ThomasWaldmann> that was a recent refactoring, when we made the router work. it now needs name and revid, but likely that code only gives revid
  92 2011-10-30T20:06:37  <vedranm> if you want me to retry after you change some code
  93 2011-10-30T20:06:38  <vedranm> sure
  94 2011-10-30T20:06:42  <vedranm> it's no big deal
  95 2011-10-30T20:09:08  <ThomasWaldmann> i'll try if i can fix it, hang on...
  96 2011-10-30T20:15:02  <ThomasWaldmann> http://paste.ubuntu.com/723583/ try that
  97 2011-10-30T20:17:50  <vedranm> ThomasWaldmann: reimport?
  98 2011-10-30T20:19:53  <ThomasWaldmann> hm?
  99 2011-10-30T20:20:04  <vedranm> I should re-import data, right?
 100 2011-10-30T20:20:25  <vedranm> btw, consider adding ^wiki/index/ to .hgignore
 101 2011-10-30T20:23:58  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, start from scratch with the import
 102 2011-10-30T20:24:22  <ThomasWaldmann> sure
 103 2011-10-30T20:24:33  <vedranm> thanks
 104 2011-10-30T20:26:27  <ThomasWaldmann> in general, we need a lot of small task soon (in case we get accepted to Google Code-In), so putting even easy stuff into the tracker is no bad idea
 105 2011-10-30T20:26:44  <ThomasWaldmann> easy like a highschool student can do it
 106 2011-10-30T20:27:11  <vedranm> ok
 107 2011-10-30T20:28:12  <vedranm> ok, done :)
 108 2011-10-30T20:28:14  <vedranm> let me see
 109 2011-10-30T20:29:28  <vedranm> ok
 110 2011-10-30T20:29:33  <vedranm> it's a bit better
 111 2011-10-30T20:29:33  <vedranm> inf2.ffri.hr:8080
 112 2011-10-30T20:29:44  <vedranm> but I'm getting a wrong revision for the front page
 113 2011-10-30T20:29:53  <vedranm> some userids are imported! :-)
 114 2011-10-30T20:30:41  <vedranm> I can't say that i know http://inf2.ffri.hr:8080/+history/FrontPage
 115 2011-10-30T20:30:52  <vedranm> for this page what are those latest 4 revisions done by anonymous
 116 2011-10-30T20:31:08  <vedranm> other than that, perfect
 117 2011-10-30T20:31:20  <vedranm> oh
 118 2011-10-30T20:31:34  <vedranm> it seem like I have first revision of every page instead of the last one
 119 2011-10-30T20:32:45  <vedranm> or even I can't really say what this revison is at all
 120 2011-10-30T20:32:46  <vedranm> http://inf2.ffri.hr:8080/VedranMiletic
 121 2011-10-30T20:33:31  <vedranm> and on this page some revisions are missing
 122 2011-10-30T20:33:31  <vedranm> http://inf2.ffri.hr/redwiki/VedranMiletic?action=info
 123 2011-10-30T20:33:35  <vedranm> http://inf2.ffri.hr/redwiki/VedranMiletic?action=info
 124 2011-10-30T20:33:39  <vedranm> vs
 125 2011-10-30T20:33:40  <vedranm> http://inf2.ffri.hr:8080/+history/VedranMiletic
 126 2011-10-30T20:33:41  <ThomasWaldmann> you see it when looking at the sizes
 127 2011-10-30T20:34:11  <vedranm> ThomasWaldmann: take a look at that page
 128 2011-10-30T20:34:20  <vedranm> the revision shown isn't any of those
 129 2011-10-30T20:34:34  <vedranm> wait
 130 2011-10-30T20:34:36  <vedranm> it is
 131 2011-10-30T20:34:39  <vedranm> you are right
 132 2011-10-30T20:34:44  <vedranm> it's the first anonyomous revision
 133 2011-10-30T20:35:27  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, there is a bug with userprofiles also
 134 2011-10-30T20:35:53  <ThomasWaldmann> currently if you have a JoeDoe homepage and a JoeDoe user, they might end up in the same item, mixed up
 135 2011-10-30T20:36:01  <vedranm> oh, I see
 136 2011-10-30T20:36:12  <vedranm> that's the "revision"
 137 2011-10-30T20:36:20  <ThomasWaldmann> we plan to work the next days on replacing name based routing by namespaces
 138 2011-10-30T20:36:34  <vedranm> ok
 139 2011-10-30T20:36:39  <vedranm> great
 140 2011-10-30T20:37:28  <vedranm> is there anything useful here? http://inf2.ffri.hr/~vedranm/import2.log
 141 2011-10-30T20:38:06  <vedranm> deleted pages raise exceptions
 142 2011-10-30T20:38:09  <vedranm> I could fix that
 143 2011-10-30T20:38:37  <ThomasWaldmann> that's part of the design currently :)
 144 2011-10-30T20:38:52  <ThomasWaldmann> but we'll cleanup that later, so it is less confusing
 145 2011-10-30T20:38:55  <vedranm> oh
 146 2011-10-30T20:39:04  <vedranm> and same for KillRequested: deleted_mode wants killing/ignoring?
 147 2011-10-30T20:39:40  <ThomasWaldmann> the problem is that we change how items are deleted
 148 2011-10-30T20:39:56  <ThomasWaldmann> and we'll likely even change that once more soon
 149 2011-10-30T20:40:04  <vedranm> oh, ok
 150 2011-10-30T20:40:10  <ThomasWaldmann> see issue #81 on the bitbucket issue tracker
 151 2011-10-30T20:46:17  <vedranm> "also, we need to tell users not to create pages with names that start with <somenamespacename>:"
 152 2011-10-30T20:46:50  <vedranm> why not make ":" introduce a new namespace automatically?
 153 2011-10-30T20:52:11  <ThomasWaldmann> because users then create all sorts of crap namespaces accidentally (or willingly)?
 154 2011-10-30T20:52:45  <vedranm> well, I always considered top level pages in 1.9 to be namespaces
 155 2011-10-30T20:53:04  <vedranm> and people did accidentally create crap stuff
 156 2011-10-30T20:53:11  <vedranm> which then they deleted
 157 2011-10-30T20:53:13  <ThomasWaldmann> also, we should be easily able to know what valid namespaces we have
 158 2011-10-30T20:53:25  <ThomasWaldmann> that's not easy if we autocreate them
 159 2011-10-30T20:53:39  <vedranm> oh, so it's only problem for top-level pages then?
 160 2011-10-30T20:53:49  <vedranm> there should not be any page named foo/bar:baz?
 161 2011-10-30T20:57:32  <ThomasWaldmann> that might be no problem as there is no interwiki or namespace called foo/bar
 162 2011-10-30T20:58:11  <vedranm> I see
 163 2011-10-30T20:58:13  <ThomasWaldmann> and we need to check interwikimap and known namespaces to handle swedish/finnish and similar languages anyway
 164 2011-10-30T20:58:43  <vedranm> and what do you plan to do if a user tries to create a page named knowns:foo?
 165 2011-10-30T20:59:09  <vedranm> known_namespace:foo
 166 2011-10-30T21:01:05  <ThomasWaldmann> vedranm: ok, so i commit the little fix for now
 167 2011-10-30T21:01:28  <vedranm> ThomasWaldmann: sure
 168 2011-10-30T21:02:09  <vedranm> ThomasWaldmann: perhaps this should be done
 169 2011-10-30T21:02:24  <vedranm> first check known_namespace if there is a page foo
 170 2011-10-30T21:02:37  <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 1017:ab22ceb57151 2.0/MoinMoin/script/migration/moin19/import19.py: fix import19 for router backend returning mountpoint, revid tuples
 171 2011-10-30T21:03:21  <ThomasWaldmann> vedranm: we can maybe disallow such pagenames by the validation code
 172 2011-10-30T21:03:45  <ThomasWaldmann> but it can still go wrong if admin creates a new namespace that matches some pagenames
 173 2011-10-30T21:03:57  <vedranm> yes
 174 2011-10-30T21:04:10  <vedranm> how about a different character such as "//"?
 175 2011-10-30T21:04:24  <vedranm> or "::"?
 176 2011-10-30T21:04:40  <vedranm> and prohibit page names that have that at all
 177 2011-10-30T21:04:43  <ThomasWaldmann> but maybe we can get away with it, because : usage in names might be rather like "x: y" and not "x:y"
 178 2011-10-30T21:05:27  <ThomasWaldmann> well, we already have the ambiguity issue with interwiki OtherWikiName:OtherWikiItem
 179 2011-10-30T21:05:50  <vedranm> sure
 180 2011-10-30T21:06:04  <vedranm> why don't go for something like
 181 2011-10-30T21:06:14  <vedranm> OtherWikiName::OtherWikiNameSpace//OtherWikiItem
 182 2011-10-30T21:06:26  <vedranm> and OtherWikiName::OtherWikiNameSpace//OtherWikiItem/OtherWikiSubItem
 183 2011-10-30T21:06:45  <ThomasWaldmann> we want to keep interwiki markup as in 1.9, otherwise we would need a quite complex converter for all the content
 184 2011-10-30T21:07:20  <vedranm> hmm
 185 2011-10-30T21:07:27  <ThomasWaldmann> we thought about some options yesterday, but we couldn't get better than what you see in the issue tracker
 186 2011-10-30T21:07:39  <vedranm> I see
 187 2011-10-30T21:07:55  <vedranm> but I don't like the ambiguity
 188 2011-10-30T21:07:59  <vedranm> as you noticed
 189 2011-10-30T21:08:09  <vedranm> is the interwiki markup conversion the only problem?
 190 2011-10-30T21:08:19  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, not enough chars in ascii somehow
 191 2011-10-30T21:09:33  <vedranm> because IMHO s/knowninterwiki/knowninterwiki_newsyntax/ would do the job
 192 2011-10-30T21:09:46  <vedranm> e.g. s/[[WikiPedia:/[[WikiPedia::/
 193 2011-10-30T21:10:38  <ThomasWaldmann> same problem, you would need to know where namespaces end and normal items/subitem names start
 194 2011-10-30T21:10:50  <ThomasWaldmann> and it would be incompatible with old syntax
 195 2011-10-30T21:16:22  <ThomasWaldmann> and no, you can't just throw a regex onto all page contents
 196 2011-10-30T21:16:50  <ThomasWaldmann> you need to parse the pages and regenerate the stuff that changes
 197 2011-10-30T21:17:05  <ThomasWaldmann> because we have different markups, and we have pre sections
 198 2011-10-30T21:18:24  <ThomasWaldmann> I've done that at 1.5 -> 1.6 and it was quite some work
 199 2011-10-30T21:33:35  <vedranm> ok
 200 2011-10-30T21:33:39  <vedranm> I see now
 201 2011-10-30T21:33:42  <vedranm> but still
 202 2011-10-30T21:34:09  <vedranm> you could avoid many problems by using a different charaacter for namespace
 203 2011-10-30T21:35:03  <vedranm> since this is something that isn't used in Moin 1.9
 204 2011-10-30T21:35:50  <vedranm> it doesn't seem hard to differ interwiki and finnish/swedish words
 205 2011-10-30T21:36:11  <vedranm> since interwiki list is mostly static and swedish/finnish word with same beginning is not likely
 206 2011-10-30T21:36:52  <vedranm> is it technically possible to use "//" for a namespace?
 207 2011-10-30T21:36:57  <vedranm> and leave colon for interwiki?
 208 2011-10-30T21:38:56  <ThomasWaldmann> i don't know how happy browsers are with urls that include // at another place than for the server part of the url
 209 2011-10-30T21:40:58  <vedranm> just testing that
 210 2011-10-30T21:41:04  <vedranm> I believe you are right
 211 2011-10-30T21:41:18  <vedranm> but since Python allowed almost everything I thought this was allowed as well
 212 2011-10-30T21:41:19  <vedranm> sec
 213 2011-10-30T21:42:10  <vedranm> well
 214 2011-10-30T21:42:18  <vedranm> ThomasWalldman: we were both wrong
 215 2011-10-30T21:42:21  <vedranm> it works
 216 2011-10-30T21:42:29  <vedranm> in Firefox at least
 217 2011-10-30T21:42:32  <vedranm> but yes, it works
 218 2011-10-30T21:43:44  <ThomasWaldmann> so you think about InterWiki://namespace/itemname?
 219 2011-10-30T21:44:29  <vedranm> not exactly
 220 2011-10-30T21:44:45  <vedranm> InterWiki:namespace//subnamespace//itemname/subitemname
 221 2011-10-30T21:46:15  <vedranm> flask handles those nicely
 222 2011-10-30T21:46:18  <vedranm> just tried
 223 2011-10-30T21:46:56  <vedranm> ThomasWaldmann: do you have older firefox or IE somewhere?
 224 2011-10-30T21:47:05  <vedranm> I'm on Linux and don't have anything but 7.0
 225 2011-10-30T21:47:16  <vedranm> if yes, please try http://inf2.ffri.hr:5001/hello//ThomasWaldmann
 226 2011-10-30T21:47:47  <ThomasWaldmann> just feels a bit strangely compared to use of these chars in urls
 227 2011-10-30T21:51:42  <vedranm> does it work?
 228 2011-10-30T21:51:46  <vedranm> just curious
 229 2011-10-30T21:52:09  <ThomasWaldmann> only have recent ff and it works
 230 2011-10-30T21:52:28  <vedranm> but it should be server-side stuff, not?
 231 2011-10-30T21:53:45  <ThomasWaldmann> well, all clients also need to be able to create (and maybe even process) our urls
 232 2011-10-30T21:55:03  <vedranm> ok... perhaps then :: instead?
 233 2011-10-30T21:55:10  <vedranm> this solves the problem as well
 234 2011-10-30T21:56:55  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe, as long as not :: shall mean :<nothing>:
 235 2011-10-30T21:58:39  <ThomasWaldmann> I'll discuss it with the guys here after the dinner
 236 2011-10-30T21:58:43  <vedranm> yes, as InterWiki:namespace::subnamespace::page
 237 2011-10-30T21:58:51  <vedranm> ok, great
 238 2011-10-30T22:34:08  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: we have :: for dicts (key, value) used before in markup
 239 2011-10-30T22:50:30  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: you mean dls?
 240 2011-10-30T22:50:47  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, but that is not inside link markup [[]]
 241 2011-10-30T23:02:20  <dreimark> ok
 242 2011-10-30T23:10:42  <CIA-65> "Luis Henrique Fagundes <lhfagundes@gmail.com>" default * 1018:dfbe65482a03 2.0/MoinMoin/converter/ (_tests/test_include.py include.py): inserting {{MyWikiPage}} in middle of paragraph now makes valid html. inclusion of one-line page is shown inline. fixes #28
 243 2011-10-30T23:10:42  <CIA-65> "Luis Henrique Fagundes <lhfagundes@gmail.com>" default * 1019:afe0afe4e1a6 2.0/MoinMoin/ (3 files in 3 dirs): recursive rename
 244 2011-10-30T23:10:43  <CIA-65> Fabio Montefuscolo <fabio.montefuscolo@gmail.com> default * 1020:2c4087f61d39 2.0/MoinMoin/script/ (__init__.py maint/moinshell.py): add a new moin command called moinshell, that runs a python shell with preseted flaskg variables
 245 2011-10-30T23:10:44  <CIA-65> Fabio Montefuscolo <fabio.montefuscolo@gmail.com> default * 1021:fdd573c2808c 2.0/MoinMoin/script/__init__.py: add a new moin command called moinshell, that runs a python shell with preseted flaskg variables
 246 2011-10-30T23:10:44  <CIA-65> Fabio Montefuscolo <fabio.montefuscolo@gmail.com> default * 1022:2256d29e3cd5 2.0/MoinMoin/script/maint/moinshell.py: file merged
 247 2011-10-30T23:10:45  <CIA-65> "Luis Henrique Fagundes <lhfagundes@gmail.com>" default * 1023:80043704f37e 2.0/ (40 files in 22 dirs): merge
 248 2011-10-30T23:10:46  <CIA-65> "Luis Henrique Fagundes <lhfagundes@gmail.com>" default * 1024:0849d0697d31 2.0/MoinMoin/ (templates/layout.html user.py): user avatar, from gravatar
 249 2011-10-30T23:10:46  <CIA-65> "Luis Henrique Fagundes <lhfagundes@gmail.com>" default * 1025:81d30cb55b68 2.0/MoinMoin/storage/middleware/routing.py: merge
 250 2011-10-30T23:10:47  <CIA-65> "Luis Henrique Fagundes <lhfagundes@gmail.com>" default * 1026:5f93a84e125f 2.0/MoinMoin/script/migration/moin19/import19.py: merge
 251 2011-10-30T23:16:03  <dreimark> twice time the same commit message 1020:2c4087f61d39, 1021:fdd573c2808c
 252 2011-10-30T23:17:14  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0/rev/0849d0697d31#l2.32
 253 2011-10-30T23:17:46  <dreimark> that gives an external source knowledge on all items
 254 2011-10-30T23:18:01  <dreimark> and php ?
 255 2011-10-30T23:18:19  <CIA-65> Fabio Montefuscolo <fabio.montefuscolo@gmail.com> default * 1027:1f3d66455a88 2.0/MoinMoin/ (3 files in 3 dirs): workaround in flask-script command to run in ipython 0.10 and 0.11
 256 2011-10-30T23:18:20  <CIA-65> Fabio Montefuscolo <fabio.montefuscolo@gmail.com> default * 1028:0a17e082460b 2.0/MoinMoin/storage/middleware/routing.py: merged changes from Thomas
 257 2011-10-30T23:18:21  <CIA-65> Fabio Montefuscolo <fabio.montefuscolo@gmail.com> default * 1029:fd6324f25f87 2.0/.hgignore: ignore content from ^wiki/index
 258 2011-10-30T23:18:22  <CIA-65> "Luis Henrique Fagundes <lhfagundes@gmail.com>" default * 1030:412969bbf05c 2.0/ (3 files in 3 dirs): merge
 259 2011-10-30T23:20:50  <dreimark> gn
 260 2011-10-30T23:23:43  <CIA-65> Bruno Martin <bruno@hacklab.com.br> default * 1031:64e6be47c4f6 2.0/MoinMoin/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fixes #44. Check for permission in frontend view. Hide link to actions that user is not allowed to do in the history and in the rev_navigation
 261 2011-10-30T23:23:44  <CIA-65> Bruno Martin <bruno@hacklab.com.br> default * 1032:7e2a29ea6fd3 2.0/MoinMoin/ (9 files in 7 dirs): merge
 262 2011-10-30T23:23:44  <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 1033:72d6fa1184e3 2.0/MoinMoin/ (3 files in 2 dirs): merged
 263 2011-10-30T23:23:46  <ThomasWaldmann> gn dreimark
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