1 2011-04-04T00:03:17  <sl33k_> uid
   2 2011-04-04T00:04:39  <ThomasWaldmann> line 297/298
   3 2011-04-04T00:20:32  <sl33k_> ThomasWaldmann: it says to make_id. Could it be empty string '' ?
   4 2011-04-04T00:21:45  <ThomasWaldmann> no
   5 2011-04-04T00:21:51  <ThomasWaldmann> see make_id() :)
   6 2011-04-04T00:22:04  <ThomasWaldmann> thus, using None is fine :)
   7 2011-04-04T00:30:27  <sl33k_> makes sense now
   8 2011-04-04T00:31:44  <sl33k_> where do i put this item_name? also, with jinja after iterating over the dictionary how do i display the count values in the dictionary?
   9 2011-04-04T00:38:30  <dreimark> you replaced item_name = item.mame
  10 2011-04-04T00:38:32  <dreimark> gn
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  12 2011-04-04T00:49:56  <yufra> ThomasWaldmann, any luck with the rename stuff?
  13 2011-04-04T00:50:31  <ThomasWaldmann> yufra: not yet
  14 2011-04-04T00:54:05  <sl33k_> ThomasWaldmann: so this is fine i suppose? if revision.get(USERID) == flaskg.user.id:
  15 2011-04-04T00:54:49  <ThomasWaldmann> sl33k_: yes
  16 2011-04-04T01:00:54  <sl33k_> so thats a temporary id in make_id, no matter a user is registered?
  17 2011-04-04T01:03:40  <ThomasWaldmann> it is just an id
  18 2011-04-04T01:04:07  <ThomasWaldmann> if a user is not logged in, he has an id, but it changes
  19 2011-04-04T01:04:17  <ThomasWaldmann> if a user is logged in, it stays same
  20 2011-04-04T01:05:24  <sl33k_> i get that now.
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  52 2011-04-04T06:06:20  <Marchael> moin
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  61 2011-04-04T08:13:11  <sl33k_> ThomasWaldmann: dreimark: contributed.html is in the diff after hg add, in the template how the revision count could be displayed?
  62 2011-04-04T08:14:01  <sl33k_> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/365192/
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  64 2011-04-04T08:45:59  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
  65 2011-04-04T08:47:11  <ThomasWaldmann> sl33k_: line 70 - sense? do you maybe want item_names[item_name] there?
  66 2011-04-04T08:47:53  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, using a better name for the dict would make it less confusing
  67 2011-04-04T08:48:54  <ThomasWaldmann> you added 46 again, why don't you just use item.name in 53 directly?
  68 2011-04-04T08:52:52  <ThomasWaldmann> e.g. item_names -> contributions
  69 2011-04-04T08:53:05  <ThomasWaldmann> or contribution_counts
  70 2011-04-04T08:56:39  <sinha> ThomasWaldmann: hi
  71 2011-04-04T08:59:30  <ThomasWaldmann> hi sinha
  72 2011-04-04T09:01:55  <sinha> ThomasWaldmann: i have gone through your comment on the proposal,thanks for it. I am bit confused ,as I have picked the ideas there on my proposal by seeing them on moin moin idea  pages and by discussing it with dreimark ,Can we please suggest that in that section which idea will be good to do ?
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  74 2011-04-04T09:02:43  <sinha> means on which of them i could really work on,because after knowing them olny i could involve other things into that
  75 2011-04-04T09:02:52  <ThomasWaldmann> i didn't say they are bad, but gave some criteria about how to set priorities
  76 2011-04-04T09:04:50  <sinha> yes i understand that, but also i want to pick the ones which would be best for the project ,like i should pick the improvement for current feature only or include some new one
  77 2011-04-04T09:05:06  <ThomasWaldmann> sinha: if you use moin2 a bit, you'll find lots of places where the functionality is principally there, but looks very bad still
  78 2011-04-04T09:05:44  <ThomasWaldmann> so making that stuff look less ugly would come first before doing totally new UI enhancing things
  79 2011-04-04T09:06:31  <sinha> ThomasWaldmann: okay,
  80 2011-04-04T09:07:13  <ThomasWaldmann> and for any stuff you do, always think of the costs (cpu, I/O)
  81 2011-04-04T09:07:26  <sinha> ThomasWaldmann: yes ofcourse
  82 2011-04-04T09:08:04  <ThomasWaldmann> e.g. if you always show a tag cloud somewhere, it has to be computed always (or loaded from a cache)
  83 2011-04-04T09:08:37  <sinha> ThomasWaldmann: for these kind of example i have suggested to load them after the actual page load
  84 2011-04-04T09:08:51  <sinha> like currently this techinique is adapted in lots of new places
  85 2011-04-04T09:09:37  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, then it wouldn't delay initial rendering at least
  86 2011-04-04T09:10:07  <sinha> ThomasWaldmann: yes initial rendering is of importance
  87 2011-04-04T09:10:54  <sinha> yes but we could add a bit delay in improving the look,like for inline diff what i suggested
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  89 2011-04-04T09:11:05  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, if you talk of tree indexing, i know what you mean, but it sounds a bit confusing (we also have search indexing)
  90 2011-04-04T09:11:33  <ThomasWaldmann> so maybe rather "item tree view" or so
  91 2011-04-04T09:11:35  <sinha> tree indexing is what i was working on for last few days..i.e showing the index in a tree/hierarchical manner
  92 2011-04-04T09:11:47  <sinha> yes
  93 2011-04-04T09:12:25  <ThomasWaldmann> auto completion for search -> we don't have search yet, so this would depend on search project's progress
  94 2011-04-04T09:12:59  <ThomasWaldmann> contribution list - done by sl33k_ currently
  95 2011-04-04T09:13:01  <sinha> yes i am aware of that,but dreimark suggested that this might get implemented in the current gsco time
  96 2011-04-04T09:13:17  <sinha> okay
  97 2011-04-04T09:13:52  <ThomasWaldmann> karma and stuff like that -> nice idea, but new and not a basic feature, so not required for moin 2.0 release
  98 2011-04-04T09:14:19  <ThomasWaldmann> (we should concentrate on stuff required or useful for 2.0 release)
  99 2011-04-04T09:14:40  <ThomasWaldmann> improving global history view: YES!
 100 2011-04-04T09:14:57  <ThomasWaldmann> (see 1.9)
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 102 2011-04-04T09:15:44  <ThomasWaldmann> sinha: you still read me?
 103 2011-04-04T09:16:48  <sinha_> yes now i can
 104 2011-04-04T09:17:12  <ThomasWaldmann> if you got disconnected, tell last line you got
 105 2011-04-04T09:17:35  <sinha_> that "sl33k_ is working on author listing..
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 107 2011-04-04T09:18:16  <sinha_> something wrong with chat logs
 108 2011-04-04T09:18:28  <ThomasWaldmann> (09:14) < ThomasWal> karma and stuff like that -> nice idea, but new and not a basic feature, so not required for moin 2.0  release
 109 2011-04-04T09:18:31  <ThomasWaldmann> (09:14) < ThomasWal> (we should concentrate on stuff required or useful for 2.0 release)
 110 2011-04-04T09:18:34  <ThomasWaldmann> (09:14) < ThomasWal> improving global history view: YES!
 111 2011-04-04T09:18:36  <ThomasWaldmann> (09:15) < ThomasWal> (see 1.9)
 112 2011-04-04T09:19:10  <sinha_> yes for history view i have seen the one in 1.9 its nicer than 2.0
 113 2011-04-04T09:19:20  <ThomasWaldmann> improving global index: yes
 114 2011-04-04T09:19:37  <sinha_> means alphabetically/index tree view or both
 115 2011-04-04T09:21:23  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe both, not sure
 116 2011-04-04T09:22:15  <ThomasWaldmann> sliding notification: unclear what it means (i don't use twitter or web2py)
 117 2011-04-04T09:22:58  <sinha_> animating the notification in a slide down manner at the top of the page
 118 2011-04-04T09:23:14  <sinha_> used by phpmyadmin also
 119 2011-04-04T09:23:28  <sinha_> just for the catchy effect
 120 2011-04-04T09:23:51  <sinha_> and we dont need to reload page just to hide the notification "by clicking "Clear message"
 121 2011-04-04T09:24:09  <ThomasWaldmann> well, has to be seen. if it is not annoying, maybe yes. not reloading is good.
 122 2011-04-04T09:24:24  <ThomasWaldmann> inline diff: yes, but not only
 123 2011-04-04T09:24:29  <sinha_> and in some cases also like leaving the textcha box empty..used like a warning
 124 2011-04-04T09:24:57  <ThomasWaldmann> i had experimented with that a LONG time ago and found that if we do that, we'ld need both diff views
 125 2011-04-04T09:25:31  <sinha_> yes i have also seen the same in other wikis also
 126 2011-04-04T09:25:36  <ThomasWaldmann> e.g. if someone just fixes a comma or a blank, the inline full page diff view is a pain.
 127 2011-04-04T09:25:48  <ThomasWaldmann> you can't easily find the difference then.
 128 2011-04-04T09:25:48  <sinha_> yes,both smal diff and full diff will be required
 129 2011-04-04T09:26:19  <ThomasWaldmann> so both views and UI element to toggle
 130 2011-04-04T09:26:45  <ThomasWaldmann> showing tags: we do that already
 131 2011-04-04T09:27:13  <ThomasWaldmann> showing meta on demand there: yes, good idea
 132 2011-04-04T09:27:43  <sinha_> tags thing,i am not seeing on my page of mon2.0
 133 2011-04-04T09:27:50  <sinha_> or at test.moinmo.in pages
 134 2011-04-04T09:28:14  <ThomasWaldmann> random page stuff: optional
 135 2011-04-04T09:28:40  <ThomasWaldmann> if you do tests, always use a repo checkout, test.moinmo.in is not updated too often
 136 2011-04-04T09:29:10  <sinha_> okay
 137 2011-04-04T09:29:25  <ThomasWaldmann> then, just use the wiki for an hour or so
 138 2011-04-04T09:29:47  <ThomasWaldmann> and every time you think "this sucks" or "this is ugly", you have a todo item :)
 139 2011-04-04T09:30:01  <sinha_> okay will do :)
 140 2011-04-04T09:30:26  <sinha_> and that related pages box thing
 141 2011-04-04T09:30:31  <sinha_> at bottom of pages
 142 2011-04-04T09:30:39  <sinha_> is it doable ?
 143 2011-04-04T09:30:50  <sinha_> means without affecting the page load etc
 144 2011-04-04T09:31:37  <ThomasWaldmann> related pages might be a bit expensive, so if you do that, computation on demand
 145 2011-04-04T09:31:56  <ThomasWaldmann> but what would be very useful and is very related, is sub items display
 146 2011-04-04T09:32:27  <sinha_> yes that wouldn't be of much pain
 147 2011-04-04T09:33:00  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe combined with sub items managment
 148 2011-04-04T09:33:18  <ThomasWaldmann> and using some nice new browser features
 149 2011-04-04T09:34:56  <ThomasWaldmann> e.g. try to create a page that has 5 pictures and a 3 pdfs as sub items and use them in item content somehow
 150 2011-04-04T09:35:21  <ThomasWaldmann> you'll notice that this should be improved :)
 151 2011-04-04T09:35:41  <sinha_> okay will try that and see
 152 2011-04-04T09:36:57  <sinha_> And what about the priority of mediawiki like theme  implementation ?
 153 2011-04-04T09:37:12  <sinha_> is that comes after doing the feature improvement individually
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 156 2011-04-04T09:38:08  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe same prio
 157 2011-04-04T09:38:54  <ThomasWaldmann> the general rule is that we want something that has a basic featureset with good usability for 2.0 release
 158 2011-04-04T09:40:17  <sinha_> okay,will keep this in mind.
 159 2011-04-04T09:40:28  <ThomasWaldmann> so no exotic rarely used extra functions needed
 160 2011-04-04T09:40:45  <ThomasWaldmann> but something you do all the time should be easy and comfortable
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 162 2011-04-04T09:41:13  <ThomasWaldmann> see also the editor view for example :)
 163 2011-04-04T09:41:16  <cosmos_thought> moin
 164 2011-04-04T09:41:34  <ThomasWaldmann> hi cosmos_thought
 165 2011-04-04T09:41:44  <cosmos_thought> hi ThomasWaldmann
 166 2011-04-04T09:41:52  <cosmos_thought> :)
 167 2011-04-04T09:42:02  * ThomasWaldmann just got ticket confirmation for Europython
 168 2011-04-04T09:43:49  <cosmos_thought> :D sweetness... im still waiting for my paycheck to arrive so that i can make the transfer
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 181 2011-04-04T11:06:55  <sl33k_> ThomasWaldmann: shows 0 for the pages i have not contributed to? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/365239/
 182 2011-04-04T11:07:10  <sl33k_> said changes made
 183 2011-04-04T11:14:24  <sl33k_> py.test is working fine
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 204 2011-04-04T13:32:12  <dreimark> sl33k_: you mean you output something for pages you don't have contributed?
 205 2011-04-04T13:32:15  <dreimark> why ?
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 207 2011-04-04T13:38:29  <sl33k_> dreimark: dont know where this is going wrong http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/img/251191-44201123609PM
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 209 2011-04-04T14:36:45  <sl33k_> dreimark: works now http://paste.pocoo.org/show/365315/ I suppose if i collect it outside the `if` then item revisio which does not match userid also gets collected.
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 215 2011-04-04T14:58:15  <dreimark> sl33k_: if there are 10000 items, why do you want to show all the user has not contributed?
 216 2011-04-04T15:00:24  <sl33k_> i get the reasoning behind that. its working fine now http://paste.pocoo.org/show/365315/
 217 2011-04-04T15:09:03  <dreimark> sl33k_: i look soon
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 248 2011-04-04T17:21:16  <Marchael> moin
 249 2011-04-04T17:23:07  <Marchael> does uuid changin from one revision to another?
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 251 2011-04-04T17:23:12  <Marchael> *changing
 252 2011-04-04T17:24:12  <ThomasWaldmann> of course it should stay the same, otherwise it would be pointless
 253 2011-04-04T17:26:40  <Marchael> For example I created index for wiki`s page and want to add new revision after that
 254 2011-04-04T17:26:43  <Marchael> ThomasWaldmann: I don`t quite understand what happening when ItemIndex.index_rebuild calls. How it rebuild indexes?
 255 2011-04-04T17:28:50  <Marchael> It is drops all metadata for selected item, creates it again and cyclically add old revision to index?
 256 2011-04-04T17:29:06  <Marchael> *revisions
 257 2011-04-04T17:33:38  <ThomasWaldmann> usually, if you add a new revision, you copy uuid from previous revision (in fact the uuid is the one of the item as a whole, but iirc, currently it is stored into every revision)
 258 2011-04-04T17:34:05  <ThomasWaldmann> and if you store that new revision, the index will be updated with the metadata of that new revision automatically
 259 2011-04-04T17:35:13  <ThomasWaldmann> index_rebuild should be only used if you lost or damaged your index
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 265 2011-04-04T18:16:43  <yufra> I found another oddity in the Hg backend... if you delete an item and then try to create an item with the same name you run into trouble since the Hg backend's internal hash will be the same for both items
 266 2011-04-04T18:18:52  <yufra> I also fixed an issue where the +index was showing duplicates of all subpages
 267 2011-04-04T18:23:03  <ThomasWaldmann> were the dupes hg specific?
 268 2011-04-04T18:24:56  <yufra> they would be everything looking at the code... basically was iterating over the mercurial revisions AND the name-mapping database
 269 2011-04-04T18:24:57  <yufra> the original writers could know about some edge-cases that I don't, though
 270 2011-04-04T18:24:57  <yufra> I should probably set up branches and do testing before/after each small change and submit little patches to you
 271 2011-04-04T18:25:51  <yufra> currently I am just hacking away on one large patch of changes
 272 2011-04-04T18:25:52  <yufra> I still need to catch TheSheep and chat with him about the Hg backend, too
 273 2011-04-04T18:30:27  <ThomasWaldmann> yufra: did you fork moin2 on bitbucket?
 274 2011-04-04T18:31:01  <yufra> nope, that is what I should do... just saw the mirror notice in the moinmoin wiki
 275 2011-04-04T18:31:50  <ThomasWaldmann> it is nice for publishing your (final) changes. plus maybe hg diff | pastebinit if you're not sure.
 276 2011-04-04T18:32:39  <yufra> *nod* in my other hobby coding project I just post diffs
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 280 2011-04-04T18:39:47  <ThomasWaldmann> or push to bb :)
 281 2011-04-04T18:40:13  <ThomasWaldmann> dealing manually with patches is a bit low-tech nowadays
 282 2011-04-04T18:41:23  <yufra> *nod*
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 292 2011-04-04T21:01:49  <sinha> ThomasWaldmann: Tree like view changeset updated https://bitbucket.org/sinha/moin-2.0
 293 2011-04-04T21:11:28  <sinha> and in this modify item function why not the meta content is also returned on  failure,  only content data is returned,as current meta contents gets lost in that validity and always the saved one is shown, or this is not a priority ?
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 295 2011-04-04T21:29:24  <ThomasWaldmann> hi sinha
 296 2011-04-04T21:30:10  <sinha> hello
 297 2011-04-04T21:31:31  <ThomasWaldmann> your commit comments do not match the changeset
 298 2011-04-04T21:31:54  <ThomasWaldmann> https://bitbucket.org/sinha/moin-2.0/changeset/b4575d8c2495
 299 2011-04-04T21:35:14  <ThomasWaldmann> the js and css changes should get reviewed by someone more familiar with that
 300 2011-04-04T21:37:46  <sinha> yes before this one i just forgot to remove the unnecessary comments earlier so pushed this changeset
 301 2011-04-04T21:38:20  <sinha> the on earlier than this had the actual change
 302 2011-04-04T21:39:02  <sinha> this one https://bitbucket.org/sinha/moin-2.0/changeset/e3ad0be367de
 303 2011-04-04T21:40:15  <sinha> i did a hg pull and merge so i guess the change in common.css file is due to that
 304 2011-04-04T21:40:17  <sinha> okay.
 305 2011-04-04T21:40:17  <xorAxAx> do we need rietvield? :)
 306 2011-04-04T21:40:17  <xorAxAx> rietveld that is
 307 2011-04-04T21:40:18  <xorAxAx> hmm, subversion only
 308 2011-04-04T21:52:39  <Marchael> ThomasWaldmann: can you provide me example of acl in metadata?
 309 2011-04-04T21:53:13  <Marchael> I`m just never seen them before ^)
 310 2011-04-04T21:53:16  <Marchael> :)
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 314 2011-04-04T22:32:58  <sinha_> ThomasWaldmann: Added items like pdf and images at the content of a item ..it displays them in a iframe in a very weird manner ?
 315 2011-04-04T22:32:58  <sinha_> how is this to be handled
 316 2011-04-04T22:32:58  <sinha_> how come a user will insert a image which is not a static one ..
 317 2011-04-04T22:35:15  <ThomasWaldmann> Marchael: see HelpOnAccessControlLists
 318 2011-04-04T22:35:36  <Marchael> ok
 319 2011-04-04T22:35:58  <ThomasWaldmann> sinha_: it is maybe <object>, not iframe
 320 2011-04-04T22:36:38  <ThomasWaldmann> and for images, it should be <img>
 321 2011-04-04T22:37:32  <sinha_> i tried doing this {{http://localhost/item}} on the page
 322 2011-04-04T22:37:54  <sinha_> it has retrieved the html page for the "show item" and put it in a iframe
 323 2011-04-04T22:38:00  <sinha_> here my item was a image
 324 2011-04-04T22:38:20  <ThomasWaldmann> if it is an item in the wiki, that is wrong way
 325 2011-04-04T22:38:29  <sinha_> so what tags i should use to display a image out there
 326 2011-04-04T22:38:38  <ThomasWaldmann> {{item}} is if you want to transclude (embed) an item
 327 2011-04-04T22:38:56  <ThomasWaldmann> [[item]] if you want to link to it
 328 2011-04-04T22:40:12  <sinha_> is there any way to resize the image object
 329 2011-04-04T22:41:42  <sinha_> liek after one clicks on it then its actual page will get opened
 330 2011-04-04T22:41:55  <sinha_> with the original image size
 331 2011-04-04T22:42:37  <ThomasWaldmann> there are url args w and h (if you have PIL installed, without it does not work)
 332 2011-04-04T22:44:19  <dreimark> Marchael: isn't there a test for that?
 333 2011-04-04T22:44:34  <dreimark> for metadata acls
 334 2011-04-04T22:47:47  <sinha_> ThomasWaldmann: and there also would be option to add any custom class to that image
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 372 2011-04-04T23:21:17  <dreimark> sinha: http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0/file/86642382d6c6/MoinMoin/items/__init__.py#l890 onlyy few arguments are used
 373 2011-04-04T23:24:41  <sinha> how to specify them in displaying a item {{ item?w=100&h=100 }} or {{ item | w=100 h =100 }}
 374 2011-04-04T23:26:59  <yufra> sinha, in moin 1.9 and lower it was {{item | alt text | w=100 h=100}}, so you could do {{item||w=100}} for example
 375 2011-04-04T23:28:08  <sinha> yufra: not working !!
 376 2011-04-04T23:28:35  <yufra> on what version of moin?
 377 2011-04-04T23:28:43  <sinha> 2.0 ofcourse
 378 2011-04-04T23:29:02  <yufra> I haven't looked at it in moin2, sorry :-/
 379 2011-04-04T23:36:55  <ThomasWaldmann> sinha: check if you have PIL
 380 2011-04-04T23:40:54  <ThomasWaldmann> sinha: http://localhost:8080/+get/png?w=100 works
 381 2011-04-04T23:43:17  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, does not seem to work with {{png|foo|&w=100}}
 382 2011-04-04T23:43:31  <sinha> ThomasWaldmann: i have installed PIL in the environment ,but get these erro : IOError: decoder jpeg not available
 383 2011-04-04T23:43:57  <sinha> yeah that embeding with width isnt working
 384 2011-04-04T23:44:07  <sinha> and what if one want to add a custom class to it
 385 2011-04-04T23:44:44  <sinha> like if one has to make the style of img as float left or something
 386 2011-04-04T23:45:35  <ThomasWaldmann> looks like argument parsing is flawed there
 387 2011-04-04T23:46:19  <sinha> yes it would be better if we could add some styling also
 388 2011-04-04T23:46:30  <sinha> just as width and height has being added
 389 2011-04-04T23:49:20  <ThomasWaldmann> IOError: decoder jpeg not available
 390 2011-04-04T23:49:25  <ThomasWaldmann> yup, same here
 391 2011-04-04T23:49:52  <sinha> so is that a bug ?
 392 2011-04-04T23:53:27  <ThomasWaldmann> no, one needs to install libjpeg62-dev before installing pil
 393 2011-04-04T23:53:52  <ThomasWaldmann> otherwise it won't enable its jpeg decoder due to missing header files

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