MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2011-03-04

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   2 2011-03-04T00:21:41  <ThomasWaldmann> re
   3 2011-03-04T00:35:38  <dreimark> gn
   4 2011-03-04T00:38:45  <ThomasWaldmann> MattMaker: if one adds babel to setup_requires, it isn't installed into the virtual env
   5 2011-03-04T00:38:49  <ThomasWaldmann> gn dreimark
   6 2011-03-04T00:39:19  <MattMaker> ThomasWaldmann but I see it in there
   7 2011-03-04T00:39:34  <MattMaker> Flask_Babel brings it in
   8 2011-03-04T00:39:35  <ThomasWaldmann> did you start from scratch when trying it?
   9 2011-03-04T00:39:45  <MattMaker> from deleting env/
  10 2011-03-04T00:39:46  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, it should, but it does not
  11 2011-03-04T00:40:15  <MattMaker> hmm, this is a known bug in old versions of setuptools
  12 2011-03-04T00:40:34  <MattMaker> I have a workaround, I think
  13 2011-03-04T00:42:35  <MattMaker> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/347741/  ?
  14 2011-03-04T00:43:30  <MattMaker> I tested that as well, but on my OS X machine it had identical results to the other patch I gave... but maybe you won't see Babel not being imported with this one?
  15 2011-03-04T00:43:37  <MattMaker> on your machine
  16 2011-03-04T00:44:09  * ThomasWaldmann tries
  17 2011-03-04T00:45:56  <ThomasWaldmann> so, this replaces using setup_requires in setup() args?
  18 2011-03-04T00:46:03  <MattMaker> yesw
  19 2011-03-04T00:46:05  <MattMaker> *yes
  20 2011-03-04T00:46:44  <MattMaker> (don't do both!)
  21 2011-03-04T00:48:20  <ThomasWaldmann> would also be nice to get rid of "no previously-included files matching..."
  22 2011-03-04T00:48:41  <MattMaker> I have been searching for that one!
  23 2011-03-04T00:48:43  <MattMaker> in vain
  24 2011-03-04T00:49:00  <MattMaker> there are tons of examples out there on the web
  25 2011-03-04T00:49:06  <ThomasWaldmann> yes :)
  26 2011-03-04T00:49:14  <MattMaker> with that warning showing
  27  in them!
  28 2011-03-04T00:49:38  <MattMaker> apparently it is considered normal
  29 2011-03-04T00:50:45  <ThomasWaldmann> ImportError: No module named babel
  30 2011-03-04T00:51:53  <MattMaker> Babel
  31 2011-03-04T00:52:10  <MattMaker> err, where are you seeing this error?
  32 2011-03-04T00:52:16  <MattMaker> no pun intended
  33 2011-03-04T00:53:50  <ThomasWaldmann> when starting moin
  34 2011-03-04T00:54:16  <ThomasWaldmann> no babel in env/
  35 2011-03-04T00:54:37  * MattMaker tries it again
  36 2011-03-04T00:55:08  <MattMaker> you applied only the patch at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/347741/ , no other changes?
  37 2011-03-04T00:58:38  <MattMaker> and if so, in what manner are you starting moin afterward?
  38 2011-03-04T00:58:53  <MattMaker> after quickinstall I mean
  39 2011-03-04T01:00:24  <ThomasWaldmann> ./moin
  40 2011-03-04T01:00:36  <ThomasWaldmann> and yes, i entered the env
  41 2011-03-04T01:03:11  <MattMaker> I am definitely running it here, with ./moin moin --port=8081
  42 2011-03-04T01:03:59  <ThomasWaldmann> so you have babel in env/?
  43 2011-03-04T01:04:45  <MattMaker> an egg for it shows up in env/lib/python2.6/site-packages
  44 2011-03-04T01:05:07  <MattMaker> i mean, Babel-0.9.5-py2.6.egg-info
  45 2011-03-04T01:05:32  <MattMaker> and a folder env/lib/python2.6/site-packages/babel/
  46 2011-03-04T01:05:47  <ThomasWaldmann> not for me
  47 2011-03-04T01:07:20  <MattMaker> I deleted env/, ran ./quickstart, entered the virtualenv, ran moin
  48 2011-03-04T01:08:26  <MattMaker> did you also end up with something like a folder Babel-0.9.5-py2.6.egg in the current directory?
  49 2011-03-04T01:09:01  <ThomasWaldmann> yes
  50 2011-03-04T01:10:00  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, how is that Distribution patch supposed to work?
  51 2011-03-04T01:10:01  <MattMaker> I am curious what your output from ./quickinstall 2>&1 | tee install.log looks like
  52 2011-03-04T01:10:06  <ThomasWaldmann> side effects?
  53 2011-03-04T01:12:09  <MattMaker> checking my references
  54 2011-03-04T01:17:55  * ThomasWaldmann tries with both setup_... and install_requires
  55 2011-03-04T01:18:23  <MattMaker> btw, the bug of eggs being installed in install_requires; changelog says that was fixed in version 0.6c9 of setuptools
  56 2011-03-04T01:18:46  <MattMaker> where I read that is here: http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/setuptools
  57 2011-03-04T01:20:27  <MattMaker> I forget, what is the command to ask an imported module in the python cli what version it is?
  58 2011-03-04T01:20:28  <ThomasWaldmann> nope, doesn't work either
  59 2011-03-04T01:21:36  <ThomasWaldmann> env/bin/easy_install talks about 0.6c11
  60 2011-03-04T01:22:33  <MattMaker> ok, I get setuptools-0.6c11-py2.6.egg
  61 2011-03-04T01:22:37  <MattMaker> inside the env
  62 2011-03-04T01:22:55  <ThomasWaldmann> it seems to come with pip
  63 2011-03-04T01:23:15  <ThomasWaldmann> because on ubuntu, i have 0.6.14
  64 2011-03-04T01:23:49  * ThomasWaldmann thinks about whether distribute solves or causes more problems
  65 2011-03-04T01:24:12  <MattMaker> less code is better
  66 2011-03-04T01:24:21  <ThomasWaldmann> http://packages.python.org/distribute/index.html
  67 2011-03-04T01:25:13  <MattMaker> a drop-in replacement, hmmm
  68 2011-03-04T01:26:35  * MattMaker ssh-es over to an Ubuntu machine to try
  69 2011-03-04T01:29:05  <MattMaker> hmm, it looks like distribute might have forked before that bug was fixed, I wonder if they fixed it also :D
  70 2011-03-04T01:31:42  * MattMaker is trying it on Ubuntu
  71 2011-03-04T01:35:07  <MattMaker> perhaps of passing interest is http://babel.edgewall.org/wiki/Documentation/setup.html
  72 2011-03-04T01:38:17  <ThomasWaldmann> what do you mean?
  73 2011-03-04T01:39:36  <MattMaker> I mean that maybe something there gives clues to what the issue is
  74 2011-03-04T01:40:40  <MattMaker> I am also curious about the alternative of using a virtualenv "bootstrap script"  http://pypi.python.org/pypi/virtualenv#creating-your-own-bootstrap-scripts
  75 2011-03-04T01:46:49  <MattMaker> ok, tried it on an ubuntu; I see it says "Downloading/unpacking Babel (from Flask-Babel>=0.6->moin) " and Installing collected packages: argparse, Babel, ....  Successfully installed argparse Babel.... and it has a env/lib/python2.6/site-packages/babel/ folder
  76 2011-03-04T01:46:59  <MattMaker> I wonder what is different
  77 2011-03-04T01:54:56  * ThomasWaldmann tries virtualenv --distribute
  78 2011-03-04T02:01:56  <ThomasWaldmann> same thing :|
  79 2011-03-04T02:12:23  <MattMaker> what OS and what versions of various things are you using?
  80 2011-03-04T02:19:05  <ThomasWaldmann> ubuntu 10.10
  81 2011-03-04T02:19:32  <ThomasWaldmann> $ virtualenv --version
  82 2011-03-04T02:19:32  <ThomasWaldmann> 1.5.1
  83 2011-03-04T02:21:31  <ThomasWaldmann> pip is 0.7.2 outside and 0.8.1 inside virtual env
  84 2011-03-04T02:26:02  <ThomasWaldmann> but as the virtualenv is created and entered first, only the 0.8.1 should be used
  85 2011-03-04T02:33:38  <MattMaker> my Ubuntu is 10.04, the other versions all match yours
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  87 2011-03-04T04:31:52  <MattMaker> well, I think I found the dark, ugly place deep down where those "no previously-included files matching..." messages come from....
  88 2011-03-04T04:34:24  <MattMaker> it comes from distutils.log
  89 2011-03-04T04:34:34  <MattMaker> distutils is monkeypatched by setuptools
  90 2011-03-04T04:34:47  <MattMaker> setuptools is monkeypatched by virtualenv
  91 2011-03-04T04:36:55  <MattMaker> the distutils.log.warn goes straight to sys.stdout
  92 2011-03-04T04:37:52  <MattMaker> it looks like really old code
  93 2011-03-04T04:41:50  <MattMaker> it's not really a warning at all; it's not even a logger
  94 2011-03-04T04:42:13  <MattMaker> no wonder everyone has ignored them
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  97 2011-03-04T07:36:30  <MattMaker> setting DISTUTILS_DEBUG=true in the environment makes setup.py very informative
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 122 2011-03-04T15:44:57  <dreimark> http://flask.pocoo.org/snippets/44/ pagination by flask
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 215 2011-03-04T23:20:29  <ThomasWaldmann> re