1 2011-02-25T00:00:13 <ThomasWaldmann> rename = metadata "name" change in a new revision of an uuid item
2 2011-02-25T00:01:01 <MattMaker> there are two things one might uniquely identify: a named node, and a sequence of revisions. each could have a UUID, or not, that would be an implementation detail the user doesn't see.
3 2011-02-25T00:02:22 <MattMaker> possibly, rename = metadata "name" means that indexing a "name" has to follow the revision paths every time it is calculated
4 2011-02-25T00:03:09 <MattMaker> so in a way, histories are actually getting less mixed up, in my suggestion
5 2011-02-25T00:06:13 <ThomasWaldmann> can you put that on a wiki page (I am rather tired right now)
6 2011-02-25T00:06:14 <MattMaker> As a scientist, I wish to attempt to disprove my hypothesis
7 2011-02-25T00:06:24 <MattMaker> yes, good idea
8 2011-02-25T00:07:13 <MattMaker> (complexity: having to implement searching on uuid *and* names *and* internal backend identifiers)
9 2011-02-25T00:07:49 <MattMaker> (although maybe just the first two, depending on implementations)
10 2011-02-25T00:10:00 <ThomasWaldmann> these are just keys in a table
11 2011-02-25T00:10:00 <dreimark> https://bitbucket.org/birkenfeld/sphinx/changeset/3f6e90b81430/
12 2011-02-25T00:10:38 <dreimark> sphinx is able to use whoosh
13 2011-02-25T00:21:47 *** m4k3r
14 2011-02-25T00:32:58 <MattMaker> I put the (still-in-progress) idea over here: http://moinmo.in/MattMaker/ThinkingOfMoinMoinEntitiesAsNodesAndPaths
15 2011-02-25T00:42:52 *** izibi
16 2011-02-25T00:58:01 *** Marchael
17 2011-02-25T01:09:06 *** Pranav_rcmas
18 2011-02-25T01:27:50 * ThomasWaldmann is back from :)
19 2011-02-25T01:28:12 <ThomasWaldmann> |-)
20 2011-02-25T01:46:23 *** Pranav_rcmas2
21 2011-02-25T02:02:28 *** Pranav_rcmas2
22 2011-02-25T02:02:52 *** Pranav_rcmas
23 2011-02-25T02:15:23 *** Pranav_rcmas2
24 2011-02-25T02:15:36 *** grzywacz
25 2011-02-25T02:17:04 *** Pranav_rcmas
26 2011-02-25T02:17:16 *** Pranav_rcmas2
27 2011-02-25T02:17:47 *** Pranav_rcmas2
28 2011-02-25T02:24:33 *** kasun
29 2011-02-25T03:18:28 *** Pranav_rcmas
30 2011-02-25T03:18:39 *** Pranav_rcmas2
31 2011-02-25T03:37:49 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: whoosh looks pretty nice
32 2011-02-25T04:06:16 *** Pranav_rcmas
33 2011-02-25T05:16:28 *** Pranav_rcmas
34 2011-02-25T05:21:11 *** Pranav_rcmas
35 2011-02-25T05:28:32 *** Pranav_rcmas1
36 2011-02-25T05:48:18 *** kasun
37 2011-02-25T07:25:29 *** Marchael
38 2011-02-25T08:38:49 *** Marchael
39 2011-02-25T09:08:08 *** Marchael
40 2011-02-25T09:19:16 *** Pranav_rcmas1
41 2011-02-25T09:19:16 *** Pranav_rcmas
42 2011-02-25T09:44:43 *** Marchael
43 2011-02-25T09:54:36 *** Marchael
44 2011-02-25T10:34:14 *** greg_f
45 2011-02-25T11:02:17 <CIA-46> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 548:9e59fdd04742 extensions/data/plugin/macro/pdf2svg.py: macro.pdf2svg: keyword added for converting an attachment
46 2011-02-25T11:27:30 *** Marchael
47 2011-02-25T11:36:28 <ronny> moin
48 2011-02-25T11:37:55 <dreimark> moin
49 2011-02-25T11:46:22 * ronny thinks MattMaker goes completely in the wrong direction
50 2011-02-25T11:47:20 <ronny> i would rather see something to express merges and splits of items in history
51 2011-02-25T11:49:55 *** Pranav_rcmas
52 2011-02-25T11:56:14 *** kasun
53 2011-02-25T12:52:07 *** Pranav_rcmas2
54 2011-02-25T12:52:28 *** Pranav_rcmas
55 2011-02-25T13:05:16 *** Pranav_rcmas2
56 2011-02-25T14:19:48 <dreimark> i think we should have more than one name possible for an item but only one unique id
57 2011-02-25T14:20:12 <dreimark> that means we don't need to rename
58 2011-02-25T14:20:40 <dreimark> we just can give an other alias
59 2011-02-25T14:21:51 *** m4k3r
60 2011-02-25T14:48:11 <ronny> dreimark: the idea to have a primary name should help, aliases could be used to redirect for example
61 2011-02-25T14:48:33 <ronny> the question is, should the primary name be the first in a list, or should it be a separate thing from aliases
62 2011-02-25T14:56:01 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe we should first solve the uuid thing before making it even more complicated :)
63 2011-02-25T15:01:52 *** Pranav_rcmas
64 2011-02-25T15:02:39 *** m4k3r
65 2011-02-25T15:05:09 *** Pranav_rcmas2
66 2011-02-25T15:08:26 *** Marchael
67 2011-02-25T15:09:01 *** m4k3r
68 2011-02-25T15:09:55 *** Pranav_rcmas
69 2011-02-25T15:10:16 *** Pranav_rcmas2
70 2011-02-25T15:10:22 *** Pranav_rcmas
71 2011-02-25T15:10:39 *** Pranav_rcmas2
72 2011-02-25T15:25:03 *** m4k3r
73 2011-02-25T15:29:33 *** kasun
74 2011-02-25T15:31:05 *** Marchael
75 2011-02-25T15:31:22 *** Marchael
76 2011-02-25T15:37:50 *** m4k3r
77 2011-02-25T15:45:29 *** m4k3r
78 2011-02-25T16:36:16 *** kasun
79 2011-02-25T16:44:31 *** ronny
80 2011-02-25T16:47:57 *** ronny
81 2011-02-25T17:06:29 *** kasun
82 2011-02-25T17:17:26 <dreimark> ronny: that sound like complex data type
83 2011-02-25T17:17:43 *** ronny
84 2011-02-25T17:18:01 *** ronny
85 2011-02-25T17:19:25 <dreimark> something like a real and an imag part
86 2011-02-25T17:21:36 <dreimark> bbl
87 2011-02-25T17:52:09 *** izibi
88 2011-02-25T18:14:09 *** brocktice
89 2011-02-25T18:14:29 <brocktice> What would cause MoinMoin to hang when trying to load a large-ish page?
90 2011-02-25T18:14:44 <brocktice> I'm not seeing excessive memory usage now, though I did see some OOMs in dmesg
91 2011-02-25T18:15:14 <brocktice> the funny thing is if I access the page using the edit stuff in the URL, I can edit it, and then I can save and preview it, but after that I can't load it again
92 2011-02-25T18:16:29 <brocktice> oh sorry
93 2011-02-25T18:16:36 * brocktice goes to #moin after reading topic
94 2011-02-25T18:20:52 *** Pranav_rcmas
95 2011-02-25T18:21:16 *** Pranav_rcmas2
96 2011-02-25T18:34:34 *** Pranav_rcmas
97 2011-02-25T18:54:28 *** Pranav_rcmas
98 2011-02-25T19:03:32 *** brocktice
99 2011-02-25T19:44:45 *** kasun
100 2011-02-25T19:52:44 *** grzywacz
101 2011-02-25T19:52:45 *** grzywacz
102 2011-02-25T20:05:45 *** greg_f
103 2011-02-25T20:53:29 <ThomasWaldmann> re
104 2011-02-25T20:57:53 *** kasun
105 2011-02-25T21:42:41 * ThomasWaldmann wrote an email to neil fraser, about mobwrite dual-licensing
106 2011-02-25T22:01:28 <ronny> mobwrite?
107 2011-02-25T22:08:38 <ThomasWaldmann> collab editor
108 2011-02-25T22:09:48 * ThomasWaldmann got a response. he can't dual-license (too many people involved), but he personally doesn't have an issue when a gpl software uses mobwrite either.
109 2011-02-25T22:10:26 <dreimark> ronny: we had a gsoc project by amartani http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0-storage-editor-amartani/
110 2011-02-25T22:14:28 <ThomasWaldmann> does anybody know whether doing it with a plugin would make any difference, license-wise?
111 2011-02-25T22:15:34 <dreimark> if the plugin is installed by the user we don't have to package its code
112 2011-02-25T22:17:29 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, but that doesn't necessarily solve the licensing question
113 2011-02-25T22:17:44 <MattMaker> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/31412/proprietary-plug-ins-for-gpl-programs-what-about-interpreted-languages
114 2011-02-25T22:20:27 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, so that doesn't help us
115 2011-02-25T22:21:04 <MattMaker> I had an interesting variation of the question come up once: a person wanted to use a GPL program at arm's length, but it did not actually produce the output he needed. So he wanted to inspect and extract structures from the in-memory space of the GPL app. I am no expert, but I told him that snooping memory was probably equivalent to "linking"
116 2011-02-25T22:21:16 *** izibi
117 2011-02-25T22:22:20 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, maybe i shall try to write some licensing docs? X)
118 2011-02-25T22:24:12 <MattMaker> be careful, it can take up quite a lot extra of your time researching that :)
119 2011-02-25T22:27:51 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: i tried with a fresh wiki and tip and i have problems with all More "actions"
120 2011-02-25T22:32:13 <CIA-46> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 18:e2cf59f5a802 2.0/docs/intro/license.rst: license docs: add a link to gnu.org for license FAQ and more recent versions
121 2011-02-25T22:32:43 <ThomasWaldmann> done by reference :D
122 2011-02-25T22:33:16 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: you need to be more specific
123 2011-02-25T22:34:44 <dreimark> global history don't work
124 2011-02-25T22:34:57 <dreimark> and none of the others below
125 2011-02-25T22:35:44 <ThomasWaldmann> works for me
126 2011-02-25T22:43:04 <dreimark> strange also konqueror did not work
127 2011-02-25T22:44:49 <ThomasWaldmann> check if you have jquery
128 2011-02-25T22:54:35 <dreimark> thx, that was it
129 2011-02-25T23:24:52 <CIA-46> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 19:96ab24679a7d 2.0/README.txt: change license reference text as recommended on gnu.org
130 2011-02-25T23:27:46 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, they recommend to put the Copyright 20xx <list of name> PLUS these 12 lines of license reference into EACH file.
131 2011-02-25T23:31:13 <ThomasWaldmann> i somehow find it annoying if any src file starts with legalese
132 2011-02-25T23:32:38 <MattMaker> I found some good news
133 2011-02-25T23:32:51 <MattMaker> it is long, I am preparing it as a wiki page
134 2011-02-25T23:36:10 <ronny> sup
135 2011-02-25T23:44:13 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/344641/
136 2011-02-25T23:44:19 <dreimark> set_meta script
137 2011-02-25T23:53:04 *** grzywacz
138 2011-02-25T23:53:36 *** grzywacz
139 2011-02-25T23:58:01 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: it always must be a regex
140 2011-02-25T23:58:18 <ThomasWaldmann> and the docstring needs fixing
