1 2011-02-21T00:22:56 *** Pranav_rcmas
2 2011-02-21T00:38:24 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/342004/
3 2011-02-21T00:38:39 <dreimark> some thoughts about flaskext.gravatar
4 2011-02-21T00:42:18 *** Pranav_rcmas
5 2011-02-21T00:43:37 <ThomasWaldmann> what is that good for?
6 2011-02-21T00:45:20 <dreimark> user images
7 2011-02-21T00:45:48 <dreimark> http://en.gravatar.com/site/implement/images
8 2011-02-21T00:50:06 <ThomasWaldmann> that stuff is a privacy issue
9 2011-02-21T00:55:01 *** Pranav_rcmas
10 2011-02-21T00:55:11 <dreimark> depends on the image user uses. ohloh also uses gravatar images.
11 2011-02-21T00:56:21 <dreimark> i currenly have @IMG@ in moin-1.x
12 2011-02-21T00:56:31 <ThomasWaldmann> they will know each url your image appears on
13 2011-02-21T00:57:13 <ThomasWaldmann> they will know what wikis you run in your intranet and the topics on those wikis
14 2011-02-21T00:58:03 <dreimark> hmm, then we need the wiki doing something similiar
15 2011-02-21T00:58:08 <ThomasWaldmann> they will know with which people you discuss
16 2011-02-21T01:01:54 *** Pranav_rcmas
17 2011-02-21T01:03:22 <dreimark> gn
18 2011-02-21T01:06:11 <ThomasWaldmann> gn dreimark
19 2011-02-21T01:11:26 *** izibi
20 2011-02-21T01:14:31 *** Pranav_rcmas
21 2011-02-21T01:27:54 *** Pranav_rcmas
22 2011-02-21T01:33:22 <MattMaker> ThomasWaldmann I think such things should be modular, plugin, off by default, perhaps with one paragraph at install pointing out that hey, this sends 3rd party X all your page views
23 2011-02-21T01:33:40 <MattMaker> but available for people who will make that tradeoff
24 2011-02-21T01:34:36 <MattMaker> I made an experimental moin1.9.3 plugin for DISQUS; it worked well but definitely has that same privacy concern
25 2011-02-21T01:35:02 <MattMaker> new issue tracker is happy news!
26 2011-02-21T01:37:50 * MattMaker hopes that revamping of pytests makes them so easy to follow/understand that even casual contributors can figure them out and add new regression tests
27 2011-02-21T01:37:55 * ThomasWaldmann just filed issue #1 for flask-static
28 2011-02-21T01:40:10 <MattMaker> regarding gravatars, might be extremely amusing to provide a "privacy-enhanced" version of gravatars, cached locally
29 2011-02-21T01:40:53 <MattMaker> which might even be outside their Terms of Service, who knows
30 2011-02-21T01:41:22 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, but even if privacy is more or less fixed, that is no moin 2.0 feature
31 2011-02-21T01:41:39 *** Pranav_rcmas
32 2011-02-21T01:42:00 <ThomasWaldmann> and still, that would leak a bit if cache is refreshed
33 2011-02-21T01:42:21 <MattMaker> no, not a basic feature
34 2011-02-21T01:42:44 <MattMaker> except to design for making adding such things easy, perhaps
35 2011-02-21T01:46:04 <MattMaker> the privacy thing reminds me, should it be an option, perhaps, to make it so that I cannot place a tracking beacon in some text I add to a wiki?
36 2011-02-21T01:47:11 <MattMaker> like an ACL type for "we will load external image links provided by this person", as is sometimes prevented in email reader programs
37 2011-02-21T01:48:31 <ThomasWaldmann> checking for external stuff is interesting for spam protection also
38 2011-02-21T01:48:50 <MattMaker> could be an antispam measure for new pages -- yeah, it is true for any link that would be shown inline
39 2011-02-21T01:49:55 <MattMaker> or alternately, if that is not a basic moin2 feature, then maybe it is important instead to consider how we can "make it easy" for the person who wants to create that feature
40 2011-02-21T01:50:24 *** Pranav_rcmas
41 2011-02-21T01:51:03 <MattMaker> it might be too restrictive to have good wiki-nature, to have such a thing active by default
42 2011-02-21T01:51:05 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, plugin system again :)
43 2011-02-21T01:51:10 <MattMaker> yes :)
44 2011-02-21T01:51:15 * MattMaker likes plugins
45 2011-02-21T01:51:53 * MattMaker even creates plugins for software that actively doesn't want plugins
46 2011-02-21T01:52:58 <MattMaker> on windows I had a software wedge that would inject new features into apps I used, by snooping all of the message-passing... it was almost a virus, from the app's point of view
47 2011-02-21T01:54:58 <ThomasWaldmann> hehe
48 2011-02-21T02:01:35 * MattMaker notices that these bitbucket.org web pages are using Google Analytics ;)
49 2011-02-21T02:04:55 <MattMaker> wow, cloning the new repo WAS super fast
50 2011-02-21T02:06:24 <ThomasWaldmann> 99% less fat :D
51 2011-02-21T02:24:52 <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3:4f997989dfb1 2.0/ (5 files in 2 dirs): account scripts: mostly cosmetic changes, remove unused code
52 2011-02-21T03:08:34 <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4:497a65401dcb 2.0/ (5 files in 4 dirs): fix moin2 repo url, add some other urls to the docs
53 2011-02-21T03:23:26 <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5:4641656b7102 2.0/docs/devel/development.rst: add some short docs about testing
54 2011-02-21T03:37:06 <MattMaker> was just going looking for the sample logging config files, and it so happens I looked first in MoinMoin/log.py to find out where to look for them
55 2011-02-21T03:37:09 <MattMaker> therefore: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/342058/
56 2011-02-21T03:37:42 <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 6:d632bfadc25c 2.0/docs/devel/development.rst: add some short docs about documentation
57 2011-02-21T03:38:51 <ThomasWaldmann> MattMaker: There are also some logging configurations in the `examples/` directory.
58 2011-02-21T03:38:59 <ThomasWaldmann> from teh docs :)
59 2011-02-21T03:40:57 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe i should write "in the docs/examples/config/logging/ directory"
60 2011-02-21T03:42:10 <MattMaker> right, always difficult when ending a sentence with a filename, or code, etc. :)
61 2011-02-21T03:45:47 <MattMaker> oh, oops, haha -- have to actually get out of the old virtualenv and into the new :)
62 2011-02-21T03:47:06 <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 7:164fc219e28d 2.0/docs/admin/ (configure.rst serve.rst): docs: be more precise about example file locations
63 2011-02-21T03:51:48 <MattMaker> and now, I had to go to http://static.moinmo.in/m2/html/admin/install.html#installing to remind myself what to do with my new copy of the new repo
64 2011-02-21T03:52:04 <MattMaker> should it appear somewhere in a README or similar?
65 2011-02-21T03:52:22 <MattMaker> oh, the docs
66 2011-02-21T03:52:36 * MattMaker is like users in that he doesn't read
67 2011-02-21T03:53:24 *** kasun
68 2011-02-21T03:53:48 <MattMaker> so I would go read docs/admin/install.rst to gain this information
69 2011-02-21T03:53:59 <ThomasWaldmann> yes :)
70 2011-02-21T03:55:55 <MattMaker> are all these warnings that quickinstall gives, useful?
71 2011-02-21T04:00:25 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe not that much
72 2011-02-21T04:01:33 <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 8:b42684c416f6 2.0/docs/conf.py: sphinx conf: import version from MoinMoin, update year
73 2011-02-21T04:03:03 *** kasunbg
74 2011-02-21T04:06:12 *** kasun
75 2011-02-21T04:22:15 <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 9:6c54b77ab174 2.0/docs/ (conf.py _static/Logo_MoinMoin.png): html docs: use Logo with text (thanks to Aviral Dasgupta, GCI 2010)
76 2011-02-21T05:16:31 <MattMaker> am wondering exactly why starting the virtualenv uses a env/bin/moin that doesn't accept commandline args even if you wanted?
77 2011-02-21T05:17:05 <MattMaker> not saying it's a bad thing, just confusing
78 2011-02-21T05:18:59 <MattMaker> (the reason it comes up, is because I already have something else running on port 8080)
79 2011-02-21T05:20:07 <MattMaker> (so I edit the default in ./moin, but that means making a change that shows up in hg status)
80 2011-02-21T05:23:00 <MattMaker> trying to use the example logging configuration file 'logfile_debug_auth', get this error: 2011-02-20 22:20:27,982 WARNING MoinMoin.log:136 load_config for "/home/moin/srv/moin/code/2.0/logging.conf" failed with "No section: 'formatters'".
81 2011-02-21T05:25:54 *** kasunbg
82 2011-02-21T05:30:18 <MattMaker> oh, oops
83 2011-02-21T05:30:47 <MattMaker> I should probably name the file what I told moin I named it, then
84 2011-02-21T05:32:25 <MattMaker> ignore that error, my bad
85 2011-02-21T05:32:40 *** Marchael
86 2011-02-21T05:38:02 * MattMaker is browsing his test wiki using usr/bin/w3m
87 2011-02-21T05:41:23 <MattMaker> maybe there should be a suggested template for user home page
88 2011-02-21T05:47:50 *** MattMaker
89 2011-02-21T06:48:13 *** Trip
90 2011-02-21T06:48:38 *** Trip
91 2011-02-21T06:49:19 *** Guest65438
92 2011-02-21T07:02:32 *** Marchael
93 2011-02-21T07:33:35 *** Marchael
94 2011-02-21T07:35:56 *** Trip
95 2011-02-21T07:36:22 *** Trip
96 2011-02-21T07:38:07 *** MattMaker
97 2011-02-21T07:52:02 *** kasun
98 2011-02-21T07:55:14 *** gwork
99 2011-02-21T08:47:45 <dreimark> moin
100 2011-02-21T08:47:56 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: bitbucket logo looks ugly
101 2011-02-21T08:49:36 <dreimark> if zoomed into the page it starts looking like squaring the circle
102 2011-02-21T08:57:18 *** Marchael
103 2011-02-21T08:57:47 *** Marchael
104 2011-02-21T08:59:00 *** Guest50187
105 2011-02-21T09:03:21 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: MattMaker http://yapsy.sourceforge.net/
106 2011-02-21T09:03:43 <dreimark> may be that is the base for our new plugin system
107 2011-02-21T09:03:59 <dreimark> TheSheep: ^
108 2011-02-21T09:05:05 <TheSheep> dreimark: I looked at it once, can't remember what I didn't like
109 2011-02-21T09:05:18 <dreimark> http://lateral.netmanagers.com.ar/weblog/posts/BB923.html
110 2011-02-21T09:27:34 *** MattMaker
111 2011-02-21T09:38:51 *** Trip
112 2011-02-21T09:39:17 *** Trip
113 2011-02-21T09:41:25 *** Guest30745
114 2011-02-21T09:51:26 <MattMaker> ThomasWaldmann I read in the yapsy docs where it points out that the process of integrating a plugin system ends up forcing the main app's code to be better; I like that idea
115 2011-02-21T09:51:52 <MattMaker> oops, I meant to type dreimark
116 2011-02-21T09:51:59 <TheSheep> it's hard to force something on codebase the size of moin
117 2011-02-21T09:52:35 <MattMaker> maybe a softer word then :)
118 2011-02-21T09:53:04 <TheSheep> no, no, it does force it
119 2011-02-21T09:53:08 <TheSheep> that's the problem
120 2011-02-21T09:53:36 <TheSheep> fortunately moin2 was done with plugins in mind
121 2011-02-21T09:54:50 <MattMaker> I experimentally leeched a trace decorator onto it today (moin2)
122 2011-02-21T09:56:53 <TheSheep> latched?
123 2011-02-21T09:57:31 <MattMaker> either metaphor works
124 2011-02-21T09:57:48 <MattMaker> latched is more grammatical
125 2011-02-21T09:58:41 <TheSheep> leech is that small animal that sucks blood
126 2011-02-21T09:58:52 <MattMaker> right, decorators are kind of like that
127 2011-02-21T09:59:25 <xorAxAx> he/she/it twitters; yesterday, they twat
128 2011-02-21T10:02:09 <TheSheep> they suck blood?
129 2011-02-21T10:58:51 *** Marchael
130 2011-02-21T11:12:15 *** greg_f
131 2011-02-21T11:43:21 *** Pranav_rcmas
132 2011-02-21T11:52:18 *** Pranav_rcmas2
133 2011-02-21T11:53:06 *** Pranav_rcmas
134 2011-02-21T11:54:44 *** Pranav_rcmas2
135 2011-02-21T11:55:07 *** Pranav_rcmas1
136 2011-02-21T12:02:49 *** aa_
137 2011-02-21T12:02:49 *** aa_
138 2011-02-21T12:11:06 *** Pranav_rcmas1
139 2011-02-21T12:24:16 *** Pranav_rcmas1
140 2011-02-21T12:28:18 *** Pranav_rcmas1
141 2011-02-21T12:28:36 <eSyr> http://moinmo.in/4ct10n/diff/MoinBounties?action=diff&rev1=47&rev2=48 hehe
142 2011-02-21T12:29:10 <eSyr> ThomasWaldmann: ^^^
143 2011-02-21T12:30:06 *** Pranav_rcmas
144 2011-02-21T12:34:14 <eSyr> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/1.9RstUriNotEscaped
145 2011-02-21T12:34:42 *** Pranav_rcmas
146 2011-02-21T12:47:56 *** Pranav_rcmas
147 2011-02-21T12:48:59 <dreimark> now we have 2 time to make a new release
148 2011-02-21T12:54:18 *** Pranav_rcmas
149 2011-02-21T12:55:28 *** cosmos_thought
150 2011-02-21T12:55:31 <cosmos_thought> moin
151 2011-02-21T13:25:36 *** Pranav_rcmas
152 2011-02-21T14:11:06 *** Pranav_rcmas
153 2011-02-21T14:24:15 *** Pranav_rcmas
154 2011-02-21T15:16:08 *** moin3
155 2011-02-21T15:34:32 *** Pranav_rcmas
156 2011-02-21T15:46:25 *** moin3
157 2011-02-21T15:48:01 *** Pranav_rcmas
158 2011-02-21T16:43:15 *** gwork
159 2011-02-21T16:53:16 *** cosmos_thought
160 2011-02-21T16:54:02 *** Marchael
161 2011-02-21T17:21:54 *** kasun
162 2011-02-21T17:27:39 *** kasun
163 2011-02-21T17:49:30 *** Pranav_rcmas
164 2011-02-21T18:02:41 *** Pranav_rcmas
165 2011-02-21T18:12:08 *** moin3
166 2011-02-21T18:12:42 *** Pranav_rcmas
167 2011-02-21T19:07:45 *** izibi
168 2011-02-21T19:17:46 *** cosmos_thought
169 2011-02-21T19:17:49 <cosmos_thought> back
170 2011-02-21T19:21:10 *** greg_f
171 2011-02-21T19:30:57 *** greg_f
172 2011-02-21T19:33:32 *** greg_f
173 2011-02-21T19:52:53 *** moin3
174 2011-02-21T19:53:14 <ThWa> moin
175 2011-02-21T19:53:29 * ThWa waits for a backup to finish <yawn>
176 2011-02-21T20:00:31 *** franklin
177 2011-02-21T20:01:48 *** franklin_
178 2011-02-21T20:03:11 *** grzywacz
179 2011-02-21T20:03:12 *** grzywacz
180 2011-02-21T20:16:37 *** kasunbg
181 2011-02-21T20:18:25 *** kasun
182 2011-02-21T20:19:41 *** Marchael
183 2011-02-21T20:31:40 *** kasunbg
184 2011-02-21T20:43:38 *** kasunbg
185 2011-02-21T20:50:46 *** kasunbg
186 2011-02-21T21:08:03 *** ThWa
187 2011-02-21T21:33:55 <ThomasWaldmann> re
188 2011-02-21T22:08:27 * ThomasWaldmann tries to fix the rst issue
189 2011-02-21T22:18:30 * ThomasWaldmann thinks about rewriting javascript: urls to javascript:alert("it does not work")
190 2011-02-21T22:20:26 <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5763:97208f67798f 1.9/MoinMoin/parser/text_rst.py: remove support for javascript: URLs in the rst parser (dangerous, XSS)
191 2011-02-21T22:34:06 * ThomasWaldmann requested a CVE for this
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