1 2011-01-31T00:52:17 *** m4k3r
2 2011-01-31T01:22:37 *** Trip_
3 2011-01-31T01:30:11 *** Trip_
4 2011-01-31T04:00:57 <CIA-65> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 10349:dc224ba0b76c 2.0-dev/MoinMoin/ (10 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)
5 2011-01-31T04:00:57 <CIA-65> revision data hash cleanup, details see below
6 2011-01-31T04:00:57 <CIA-65> Do not compute revision data hash in Item highlevel class, but in storage
7 2011-01-31T09:17:38 *** gwork
8 2011-01-31T09:20:56 *** grzywacz
9 2011-01-31T11:09:30 *** greg_f
10 2011-01-31T11:33:30 <dreimark> moin
11 2011-01-31T12:14:31 <eSyr> moin
12 2011-01-31T12:15:10 <eSyr> Minor question about underlay: what happened with WikihomePage? Has it been renamed or something?
13 2011-01-31T12:15:21 <eSyr> *WikiHomePage
14 2011-01-31T12:39:38 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr: I'll try to repair it. A student accidentally renamed it.
15 2011-01-31T12:46:51 <ThomasWaldmann> http://master19.moinmo.in/WikiHomePage < look now
16 2011-01-31T12:50:08 <ThomasWaldmann> http://master19.moinmo.in/WikiP%C3%A1ginaPrincipal < that was the problematic one
17 2011-01-31T12:50:32 <ThomasWaldmann> student translated on the English page and then renamed it
18 2011-01-31T12:50:52 <ThomasWaldmann> later tried to rename back, but there was something in the way, so it didn't work
19 2011-01-31T13:01:47 * ThomasWaldmann has cleaned up the mess on FS level
20 2011-01-31T13:04:37 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: that page could be named MoinAPI/Examples and just state that it is a translation of MoinAPI/Beispiele
21 2011-01-31T13:07:56 <dreimark> yes, that's the better name, hopefully he did not again remove my changes to it
22 2011-01-31T13:08:12 <dreimark> i rename it later today
23 2011-01-31T13:14:57 * dreimark may that is one of our nexts gsoc students? do you know him already?
24 2011-01-31T13:15:11 <dreimark> +be
25 2011-01-31T13:48:46 <ThomasWaldmann> i have no idea about who you are talking exactly
26 2011-01-31T13:56:50 *** aa_
27 2011-01-31T14:06:40 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: about Nick Demou
28 2011-01-31T14:06:45 <dreimark> see ML
29 2011-01-31T14:26:37 <ThomasWaldmann> i didn't knew him before
30 2011-01-31T14:30:14 <eSyr> ThomasWaldmann: thanks
31 2011-01-31T14:57:23 <eSyr> Should "Icon" section really be on the page HelpOnNavigation ( http://master19.moinmo.in/HelpOnNavigation#Icon )? Maybe, move it to HelpOnSmileys or HelpOnThemes?
32 2011-01-31T15:08:41 <ThomasWaldmann> i suggest not to do bigger changes to the english 1.9 pages
33 2011-01-31T15:09:10 <ThomasWaldmann> because it will bring all translations out of sync
34 2011-01-31T15:10:19 <eSyr> well, for all language-invariant changes i can do all related changes in translated pages, for example :)
35 2011-01-31T15:13:23 <ThomasWaldmann> sure. yes, maybe rather HelpOnSmileys.
36 2011-01-31T15:13:43 <eSyr> ok.
37 2011-01-31T15:16:12 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, there is a lot of moin2 documentation todo also. :D
38 2011-01-31T15:17:17 <eSyr> i imagine >_<"
39 2011-01-31T15:17:32 <eSyr> ehrrm.
40 2011-01-31T15:17:51 <eSyr> well, i hope you understand what i mean.
41 2011-01-31T15:20:00 <eSyr> hm, looks like the only translation which has Icon section is Russian.
42 2011-01-31T15:20:58 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe we soon should have a discussion about how to do moin2 docs. what to document where. we'll have the choice between sphinx/rst and wiki items (and moin markup or rst).
43 2011-01-31T15:22:04 <eSyr> and DocBook!
44 2011-01-31T15:22:48 <ThomasWaldmann> urgs
45 2011-01-31T15:24:08 <eSyr> well, since moin2 will have hg backend and has full rst support, i think everything can be processed via wiki interface.
46 2011-01-31T15:24:49 <ThomasWaldmann> it's not that easy I think. and I doubt it works.
47 2011-01-31T15:25:16 <ThomasWaldmann> also, while moin2 is a bit unstable, we maybe don't want to use it for docs writing.
48 2011-01-31T15:25:30 <eSyr> well, it's good challendge - to make it works :)
49 2011-01-31T15:25:57 <eSyr> (and good testing/feedback source)
50 2011-01-31T15:26:27 <ThomasWaldmann> heh.
51 2011-01-31T15:27:18 <eSyr> moin2 can be ideal platform for working with documentation, but there is some bits of python code need to be written :)
52 2011-01-31T15:28:11 <eSyr> (at least, for me moin 1.9 is almost perfect for working with documentation and translation)
53 2011-01-31T15:29:24 <ThomasWaldmann> i was thinking about doing quite some stuff with sphinx, but it has to be seen.
54 2011-01-31T15:29:32 <eSyr> (and features in moin2 like seamless repo integration and better item type support can make it really perfect)
55 2011-01-31T15:29:42 <ThomasWaldmann> currently there is only a bit of general bla, a markup reference and a bit for devs.
56 2011-01-31T15:29:54 <eSyr> :)
57 2011-01-31T15:30:49 <ThomasWaldmann> also, the moin2 converters have still quite some issues.
58 2011-01-31T15:32:33 <eSyr> iirc, they're not architecture-related, but implementation issues.
59 2011-01-31T15:33:05 <ThomasWaldmann> also, as you are referring to the hg backend: that didn't get much love recently
60 2011-01-31T15:33:33 <ThomasWaldmann> and I am not sure it can be used in any way you might imagine
61 2011-01-31T15:35:57 <eSyr> i hope in month or two i'll have more time to work on moin and i'll intrested in making moin-based solution for working with documentation.
62 2011-01-31T15:36:38 <eSyr> *i'm intrested in
63 2011-01-31T15:37:55 <ThomasWaldmann> if we could condense enough concrete ideas about that, you could even have a SOC student maybe who helps with that
64 2011-01-31T15:39:11 <eSyr> well, i have some concept about it, may be i'll write it down for fixation and discussion purposes.
65 2011-01-31T15:45:46 <eSyr> hmmm, where can be written down random (possibly, moin2-related) ideas?
66 2011-01-31T15:46:30 <eSyr> i understood that it's good if there were syntex for linking to concrete version of the page (for example, PageName@rev)
67 2011-01-31T15:47:47 <eSyr> (and generally, linking scheme for parts or states of Items)
68 2011-01-31T15:52:58 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr: if you are targetting a SOC project, there is this initial ideas page
69 2011-01-31T15:53:43 <ThomasWaldmann> and you can link to headings by using an anchor
70 2011-01-31T15:53:58 <eSyr> well, i'm not sure whether this idea suitable as gsoc project/
71 2011-01-31T15:54:04 <ThomasWaldmann> linking to a rev maybe works with link params
72 2011-01-31T15:54:23 <eSyr> ThomasWaldmann: not headings - metadata, revisions, revision metadata
73 2011-01-31T15:54:57 <eSyr> yes, but relying on link params is rather, ehrrr, implementation-specific for me.
74 2011-01-31T15:55:36 <eSyr> but may be you're right and such things shouldn't be articulated at syntax level.
75 2011-01-31T15:55:55 <eSyr> *looks rather
76 2011-01-31T16:23:27 *** aa_
77 2011-01-31T16:37:51 *** Guest29222
78 2011-01-31T17:03:17 <eSyr> ThomasWaldmann: should Homepage.+Template be added to not_translated_system_pages (and edited according to information written on HelpOnAutoAdmin)?
79 2011-01-31T17:12:26 <eSyr> (hm, looks like they were overwritten by script)
80 2011-01-31T18:01:18 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: one of my test wikis uses the hg backend.
81 2011-01-31T18:08:45 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: ah, so it works? :D
82 2011-01-31T18:09:07 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr: currently i have no idea. have to look later.
83 2011-01-31T18:10:22 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: it works, no crash since gci
84 2011-01-31T18:13:48 <dreimark> bbl
85 2011-01-31T19:40:39 *** greg_f
86 2011-01-31T20:38:52 <ThomasWaldmann> re
87 2011-01-31T21:10:26 *** m4k3r
88 2011-01-31T21:30:28 *** gwork
89 2011-01-31T21:45:57 *** grzywacz
90 2011-01-31T21:45:57 *** grzywacz
91 2011-01-31T22:28:05 <dreimark> re
92 2011-01-31T23:51:25 *** m4k3r
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