1 2011-01-03T00:01:11 <izibi> currently this is all i've changed http://paste.pocoo.org/show/313416/
2 2011-01-03T00:02:48 *** Samm
3 2011-01-03T00:02:57 <izibi> screenshot: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92247/2011-01-03-000156_1004x125_scrot.png
4 2011-01-03T00:03:35 *** ronny
5 2011-01-03T00:03:36 *** franklin
6 2011-01-03T00:04:42 <ThomasWaldmann> set show_timings = False
7 2011-01-03T00:05:57 <izibi> then they
8 2011-01-03T00:06:01 <izibi> 're gone ;)
9 2011-01-03T00:06:29 <ThomasWaldmann> yes :)
10 2011-01-03T00:06:44 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, wiki license now?
11 2011-01-03T00:07:08 <ThomasWaldmann> or terms...
12 2011-01-03T00:07:17 <ThomasWaldmann> "the legalese"
13 2011-01-03T00:07:55 <ThomasWaldmann> shall we have some description at the left maybe?
14 2011-01-03T00:07:58 <ThomasWaldmann> like:
15 2011-01-03T00:08:02 <ThomasWaldmann> Meta:
16 2011-01-03T00:08:10 <ThomasWaldmann> Credits:
17 2011-01-03T00:08:17 <ThomasWaldmann> Legal Info:
18 2011-01-03T00:08:18 <ThomasWaldmann> ?
19 2011-01-03T00:10:10 <izibi> don't think so
20 2011-01-03T00:10:36 <ThomasWaldmann> ok. but we maybe want TAGS :)
21 2011-01-03T00:10:52 <ThomasWaldmann> at least until they find some better place somewhere else.
22 2011-01-03T00:11:05 <izibi> what tags?
23 2011-01-03T00:13:55 <ThomasWaldmann> TAGS = "tags"
24 2011-01-03T00:14:02 <ThomasWaldmann> metadata
25 2011-01-03T00:14:13 <ThomasWaldmann> has a list of arbitrary tag strings
26 2011-01-03T00:14:40 <ThomasWaldmann> just add the metadata to some items in you local wiki
27 2011-01-03T00:14:58 <ThomasWaldmann> use 2x foo and 1x bar tagf
28 2011-01-03T00:15:02 <ThomasWaldmann> tag*
29 2011-01-03T00:16:04 <ThomasWaldmann> then go to /+tags
30 2011-01-03T00:17:11 <izibi> you mean like the lables on google code?
31 2011-01-03T00:17:43 *** maker__
32 2011-01-03T00:18:05 <ThomasWaldmann> yes
33 2011-01-03T00:18:53 <izibi> invalid json input == ValueError :)
34 2011-01-03T00:19:40 <ThomasWaldmann> be careful :)
35 2011-01-03T00:20:04 <ThomasWaldmann> json dislikes trailing comma btw
36 2011-01-03T00:20:17 <izibi> or missing comma in my case ;)
37 2011-01-03T00:20:28 <izibi> and now we've got a tag cloud ;)
38 2011-01-03T00:21:01 <ThomasWaldmann> yup :)
39 2011-01-03T00:21:48 <ThomasWaldmann> and the tags of the revision currently being displayed could be down there, linking to the same target as in the cloud.
40 2011-01-03T00:21:57 <ThomasWaldmann> all same size, though
41 2011-01-03T00:24:05 <izibi> https://bitbucket.org/izibi/moin-2.0-dev-gci
42 2011-01-03T00:27:34 *** ronny
43 2011-01-03T00:27:35 *** franklin
44 2011-01-03T00:27:36 *** rfw
45 2011-01-03T00:27:37 *** Kapace_
46 2011-01-03T00:27:38 *** ChanServ
47 2011-01-03T00:27:39 *** vpv
48 2011-01-03T00:27:40 *** eSyr_
49 2011-01-03T00:27:40 *** waldi
50 2011-01-03T00:27:41 *** valeuf
51 2011-01-03T00:27:42 *** }neb1{
52 2011-01-03T00:27:43 *** xjjk
53 2011-01-03T00:27:43 *** achshar
54 2011-01-03T00:27:44 *** kennym
55 2011-01-03T00:27:46 *** xorAxAx
56 2011-01-03T00:27:47 *** ThomasWaldmann
57 2011-01-03T00:27:49 *** diofeher
58 2011-01-03T00:27:50 *** CIA-56
59 2011-01-03T00:29:27 *** franklin
60 2011-01-03T00:29:27 *** ronny
61 2011-01-03T00:29:27 *** vpv
62 2011-01-03T00:29:27 *** achshar
63 2011-01-03T00:29:27 *** rfw
64 2011-01-03T00:29:27 *** }neb1{
65 2011-01-03T00:29:27 *** kennym
66 2011-01-03T00:29:27 *** xjjk
67 2011-01-03T00:29:27 *** ThomasWaldmann
68 2011-01-03T00:29:27 *** eSyr_
69 2011-01-03T00:29:27 *** Kapace_
70 2011-01-03T00:29:27 *** waldi
71 2011-01-03T00:29:27 *** ChanServ
72 2011-01-03T00:29:27 *** valeuf
73 2011-01-03T00:29:27 *** CIA-56
74 2011-01-03T00:29:27 *** xorAxAx
75 2011-01-03T00:29:27 *** diofeher
76 2011-01-03T00:29:27 *** barjavel.freenode.net
77 2011-01-03T00:31:08 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92247/screenshots/2011-01-03-00-30-33_fkynyyst5ve7cf56.png do you think this is too much spacing (currently the same an in the credits list)
78 2011-01-03T00:32:39 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe just a comma separated list with normal spacing would look better
79 2011-01-03T00:33:13 <ThomasWaldmann> and for the credits line, we need also some better idea
80 2011-01-03T00:34:32 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm
81 2011-01-03T00:34:59 <ThomasWaldmann> ItemName (rev X), modified ... by ..., tagged ...
82 2011-01-03T00:38:42 <izibi> does utils.editor_info(rev) also output a newline character?
83 2011-01-03T00:39:05 <ThomasWaldmann> i hope not :)
84 2011-01-03T00:39:54 <izibi> by {{ utils.editor_info(rev) }}{% if rev.tags %},
85 2011-01-03T00:40:19 <izibi> but in the output, there's a newline before and after the editor link
86 2011-01-03T00:41:27 <izibi> where is utils.editor_info defined?
87 2011-01-03T00:41:42 <ThomasWaldmann> it is because it is a macro, defined in utils.html
88 2011-01-03T00:42:12 <ThomasWaldmann> how about {%- if rev.tags %},
89 2011-01-03T00:43:21 <izibi> already tried it. didn't work ;)
90 2011-01-03T00:43:29 <izibi> added some - to the macro and it works :)
91 2011-01-03T00:45:43 <izibi> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92247/screenshots/2011-01-03-00-45-34_7nlqx0w6dk272mpk.png
92 2011-01-03T00:47:30 <izibi> < ThomasWaldmann> and for the credits line, we need also some better idea <-- better html output, better configuration or both? ;)
93 2011-01-03T00:48:37 <ThomasWaldmann> it looks strange currently
94 2011-01-03T00:48:46 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe foo * bar * baz?
95 2011-01-03T00:48:54 <ThomasWaldmann> with * = bullet?
96 2011-01-03T00:49:06 <ThomasWaldmann> comma is maybe not appropriate for the credits
97 2011-01-03T00:49:19 <ThomasWaldmann> but just lots of space also doesn't look good
98 2011-01-03T00:49:26 <dreimark> hmm, looks not much better
99 2011-01-03T00:49:49 <izibi> * looks weird
100 2011-01-03T00:49:57 <ThomasWaldmann> can we have a . at the end?
101 2011-01-03T00:49:59 <izibi> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92247/screenshots/2011-01-03-00-49-52_2rf33cys6cwd8k50.png
102 2011-01-03T00:50:30 <ThomasWaldmann> nono, not for the tags
103 2011-01-03T00:50:41 <ThomasWaldmann> i meant bullet between the credits
104 2011-01-03T00:51:24 <dreimark> if i look at edit info it may be should be only shown on item bottom on mouse over
105 2011-01-03T00:51:43 <dreimark> it is misplaced at that posisition
106 2011-01-03T00:52:38 <izibi> < ThomasWaldmann> can we have a . at the end? <-- tags or credits? ;)
107 2011-01-03T00:53:09 <ThomasWaldmann> tags
108 2011-01-03T00:53:24 <ThomasWaldmann> it is almost a sentence, so a . does no wrong.
109 2011-01-03T00:54:01 <izibi> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92247/screenshots/2011-01-03-00-53-54_0rf9k8rwlbwpeh1a.png
110 2011-01-03T00:54:06 <dreimark> i think it fits better at top
111 2011-01-03T00:54:12 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: mediawiki has same position
112 2011-01-03T00:54:15 <dreimark> below the title of the item
113 2011-01-03T00:54:29 <dreimark> well i don't use mediawiki as wiki
114 2011-01-03T00:54:30 <ThomasWaldmann> and it is good for printing
115 2011-01-03T00:54:34 <dreimark> so it did not count
116 2011-01-03T00:54:36 <dreimark> ...
117 2011-01-03T00:55:37 <dreimark> it makes more sense to use it to have it below of the title
118 2011-01-03T00:55:47 <dreimark> */
119 2011-01-03T00:56:25 <izibi> below which title? the one that's commented out in the templates? ;)
120 2011-01-03T00:56:39 <dreimark> http://test.moinmo.in:8080/svgedit
121 2011-01-03T00:56:57 <dreimark> e.g. below svgedit on top or near by
122 2011-01-03T00:58:05 <izibi> to be honest: i don't like moinmoin's default header ;)
123 2011-01-03T00:58:20 <dreimark> and ?
124 2011-01-03T00:58:46 <izibi> i think it won't look better with this text ;)
125 2011-01-03T00:58:57 <izibi> but let's see ;)
126 2011-01-03T00:58:58 <ThomasWaldmann> no, we don't put more stuff into the title.
127 2011-01-03T00:59:07 <dreimark> somewhere must be the name of the item, we look at
128 2011-01-03T00:59:08 <ThomasWaldmann> it's already rather crowded there.
129 2011-01-03T00:59:50 <dreimark> it is, but the info belongs to the name, functional it is the best place
130 2011-01-03T01:03:43 <dreimark> can we have it as tooltip?
131 2011-01-03T01:04:02 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: ^
132 2011-01-03T01:04:45 <ThomasWaldmann> i guess that would be rather annoying
133 2011-01-03T01:05:02 <achshar> ThomasWaldmann: i have downloaded and extracted it but the moin file in the top dir has no extension,,, so how would i open it?
134 2011-01-03T01:05:18 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: you use windows?
135 2011-01-03T01:05:19 <izibi> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0-dev/file/42d8cde592fb/MoinMoin/templates/show.html#l51 below this it would make sense imho
136 2011-01-03T01:05:28 <achshar> yes :)
137 2011-01-03T01:05:51 <ThomasWaldmann> try starting a cmd, and then enter something like: python moin
138 2011-01-03T01:05:59 <ThomasWaldmann> (in that directory)
139 2011-01-03T01:06:35 <dreimark> achshar: may be you need to rename moin to moin.py - let us know if so
140 2011-01-03T01:07:29 <achshar> dreimark: nopse.. just shows the file code.. like it does without any ext
141 2011-01-03T01:08:19 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: don't rename it
142 2011-01-03T01:08:28 <ThomasWaldmann> if you need a moin.py COPY it
143 2011-01-03T01:08:53 <ThomasWaldmann> moin is under revision control and must not be changed without reason
144 2011-01-03T01:09:22 <dreimark> yeah true
145 2011-01-03T01:09:38 <achshar> oh i renamed it (my local downloaded copy) and removed its ext again
146 2011-01-03T01:09:48 <achshar> is that bad?
147 2011-01-03T01:09:49 <dreimark> achshar: hg revert
148 2011-01-03T01:09:56 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: that line is a comment
149 2011-01-03T01:09:59 <dreimark> or hg revetrt --all
150 2011-01-03T01:10:03 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: i know
151 2011-01-03T01:10:09 <dreimark> ops - without my typo
152 2011-01-03T01:10:25 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: hg revert --all # undo all changes
153 2011-01-03T01:10:32 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: but if it should be in the header area, this is the only place it would make sense imo
154 2011-01-03T01:10:38 <achshar> i put that in cmd?
155 2011-01-03T01:10:51 <achshar> sorry i am a noob at this :(
156 2011-01-03T01:10:58 <ThomasWaldmann> it was a pain even as long as it was in the content footer
157 2011-01-03T01:11:20 <ThomasWaldmann> i once used moin to prepare some print document and had to hide it because it was annoying
158 2011-01-03T01:11:47 <dreimark> it should be hidden in print.css
159 2011-01-03T01:11:51 <ThomasWaldmann> so i definitely do not want it in the content area, nor in the already over-crowded header area
160 2011-01-03T01:12:35 <dreimark> hmm, may be we need to solve the over-crowded header area too
161 2011-01-03T01:13:04 <dreimark> the breadcrumbs for example can live in a sidebar
162 2011-01-03T01:13:19 <ThomasWaldmann> that's not the topic right now
163 2011-01-03T01:13:49 <dreimark> true, but it should not block to add stuff into the header
164 2011-01-03T01:14:37 * izibi could also redesign the header area :D
165 2011-01-03T01:14:58 * dreimark would like that
166 2011-01-03T01:15:15 <achshar> what is hg revert? and will just renaming the file to have no extension not work?
167 2011-01-03T01:15:34 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: participating in open source projects is not limited to gci :)
168 2011-01-03T01:15:59 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: i know. i just want to get a tshirt xD
169 2011-01-03T01:15:59 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: it is a clean way to undo all changes
170 2011-01-03T01:16:05 <dreimark> achshar: no because the other file is under version control
171 2011-01-03T01:16:30 <dreimark> and if you don't have renamed by the vcs you have killed the file
172 2011-01-03T01:16:32 <izibi> but gci is a nice way to start contributing to opensource projects ;)
173 2011-01-03T01:16:53 <achshar> hmm so where do i put hg revert?
174 2011-01-03T01:17:01 <dreimark> achshar: but it is still in the dvcs
175 2011-01-03T01:17:12 <dreimark> on top level, hg revert --all
176 2011-01-03T01:17:35 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: if you use tortoisehg, there might be a menu item for that
177 2011-01-03T01:17:46 <dreimark> izibi: yes, we hope some of you like to contribute after gci too :)
178 2011-01-03T01:18:27 <izibi> *adding-#moin-dev-to-autojoin-list* :D
179 2011-01-03T01:18:41 <achshar> on top level of what? the file (right click>properties) i simply downloaded the zip and unziped it.. i am not using any software yet..
180 2011-01-03T01:18:43 * dreimark we still hope all do, but statisctics tell that this won't likly not happen
181 2011-01-03T01:19:01 <dreimark> achshar: in the moin dir
182 2011-01-03T01:19:11 <dreimark> on a cmd.exe
183 2011-01-03T01:19:17 <dreimark> cd to thatdir
184 2011-01-03T01:19:27 <dreimark> hg revert --all
185 2011-01-03T01:19:31 <achshar> yes on the cmd.. that makes sense
186 2011-01-03T01:19:40 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: what we said applies to the case if you want to use revision control (mercurial or tortoisehg)
187 2011-01-03T01:19:51 <ThomasWaldmann> if you don't want that, you can ignore what we said
188 2011-01-03T01:20:09 <ThomasWaldmann> using mercurial makes creating changesets/patches easier, though
189 2011-01-03T01:20:36 <izibi> do you know by now where you want the metadata? ;)
190 2011-01-03T01:20:46 <ThomasWaldmann> tortoisehg is a nice windows package that includes mercurial, diff and some other useful stuff
191 2011-01-03T01:21:13 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: your task is about footer refactoring, so ...
192 2011-01-03T01:21:42 <izibi> ... it stays where it currently is ;)
193 2011-01-03T01:21:53 <ThomasWaldmann> yes
194 2011-01-03T01:22:07 <ThomasWaldmann> you could look at wiki license next
195 2011-01-03T01:22:24 <ThomasWaldmann> this is a configurable thing that could also live there
196 2011-01-03T01:22:25 <achshar> hmm i think i just want to get the installation working for now.. i just want to test if the wiki markups work.. will revision control affect my work..? i dont really know for now.. :O
197 2011-01-03T01:23:04 <izibi> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92247/screenshots/2011-01-03-01-22-26_g10olxab7r9x1c68.png do you think this looks ok? (currently * , i should use css...)
198 2011-01-03T01:23:08 <ThomasWaldmann> if you use revision control, you must not commit unwanted changes (like renamed "moin")
199 2011-01-03T01:23:47 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: bullet char?
200 2011-01-03T01:24:00 <ThomasWaldmann> or the long dash --- ?
201 2011-01-03T01:24:39 <achshar> ok forget it.. i have my downloaded zip.. if i get the file or even unzip the whole thing again.. will it work then?
202 2011-01-03T01:24:51 <izibi> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92247/screenshots/2011-01-03-01-24-40_hf5zrve5l34k1wbh.png
203 2011-01-03T01:25:08 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: unzipping again will also give unmodified state, of course
204 2011-01-03T01:25:12 <izibi> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92247/screenshots/2011-01-03-01-25-05_azmqtzp9v66uwj7j.png
205 2011-01-03T01:25:15 <izibi> choose one ;)
206 2011-01-03T01:26:09 <ThomasWaldmann> bullet
207 2011-01-03T01:26:13 <dreimark> no
208 2011-01-03T01:26:17 <dreimark> long dash
209 2011-01-03T01:26:22 <dreimark> not ---
210 2011-01-03T01:26:45 <izibi> what's long dash?
211 2011-01-03T01:26:46 <dreimark> oh, it is, then bullet
212 2011-01-03T01:27:02 <dreimark> there is a html entity for
213 2011-01-03T01:27:12 <ThomasWaldmann> bullet looks nicer imho
214 2011-01-03T01:27:16 <izibi> in the screenshot above it's —
215 2011-01-03T01:27:22 <izibi> –: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92247/screenshots/2011-01-03-01-26-25_pqk6jc756kgojd7m.png
216 2011-01-03T01:27:47 <ThomasWaldmann> and it's more american also <eg>
217 2011-01-03T01:28:16 <dreimark> with bullets i always wonder that the first item has none
218 2011-01-03T01:28:19 <achshar> btw 13400 files?? it would take me ages to write so much code.. open source is powerfull
219 2011-01-03T01:28:29 <dreimark> achshar: 10years
220 2011-01-03T01:28:41 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: the trick is to copy stuff :D
221 2011-01-03T01:28:42 <achshar> :O
222 2011-01-03T01:28:50 <achshar> :P
223 2011-01-03T01:28:54 <dreimark> hehe
224 2011-01-03T01:29:43 <achshar> takes 15 mins on my 2 gigs ram to just extract the files :P
225 2011-01-03T01:29:44 <ThomasWaldmann> and after someone solves the packaging, we'll have much less
226 2011-01-03T01:30:00 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: windows sucks :)
227 2011-01-03T01:30:20 <dreimark> achshar: then you should set cpu power to max
228 2011-01-03T01:30:39 <dreimark> and disable your virus scanner
229 2011-01-03T01:30:56 <achshar> i cannot agree any more but no one uses macs or linux here
230 2011-01-03T01:31:16 <achshar> i doubt it will do any good, my cpu usage is 60% still
231 2011-01-03T01:31:24 *** kennym
232 2011-01-03T01:31:31 <dreimark> because of virus scan ?
233 2011-01-03T01:31:43 <achshar> i already have 40% which winzip is not using
234 2011-01-03T01:31:48 <achshar> no i dont think so
235 2011-01-03T01:32:02 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: most people also don't drive a rolls royce, but having one might be nice nevertheless.
236 2011-01-03T01:32:16 <achshar> i think its winzip's limit on windown :P
237 2011-01-03T01:32:16 <ThomasWaldmann> and for linux, it doesn't cost you an arm and a leg even.
238 2011-01-03T01:33:27 *** gh_ju
239 2011-01-03T01:33:49 <achshar> yeah but everyone i know keeps droping over my pc expecting something familiar.. and frankly speaking i dont usually do new stuff :P
240 2011-01-03T01:34:07 <achshar> atleast with my finals approaching
241 2011-01-03T01:34:48 <ThomasWaldmann> if you have a powerful machine, try virtualbox
242 2011-01-03T01:34:53 <achshar> i might think of shifting os after highschool
243 2011-01-03T01:35:28 <achshar> yea i was thinking of trying chrome os but then my machine is powerfull for what we get here..
244 2011-01-03T01:35:33 <dreimark> btw. windows in a virtualbocks rocks
245 2011-01-03T01:35:45 <achshar> not really a very powerfull one.. :O
246 2011-01-03T01:35:51 <dreimark> most of the time it is not running :)
247 2011-01-03T01:35:58 <achshar> haha
248 2011-01-03T01:36:17 * ThomasWaldmann runs win 2008 r2 server in virtualbox under linux on his laptop :D
249 2011-01-03T01:37:02 <izibi> how long does it boot? 20min? :D
250 2011-01-03T01:37:11 <dreimark> izibi: 20 seconds
251 2011-01-03T01:37:19 <izibi> https://bitbucket.org/izibi/moin-2.0-dev-gci/changeset/1feb55f86a58
252 2011-01-03T01:37:20 <dreimark> linux 3 seconds
253 2011-01-03T01:37:29 <achshar> :O
254 2011-01-03T01:37:34 <izibi> must be a fresh install :D
255 2011-01-03T01:37:47 <achshar> my win about 40
256 2011-01-03T01:38:01 <ThomasWaldmann> it is astonishingly fast. sometimes i have the impression it is faster than on raw hardware.
257 2011-01-03T01:38:15 <dreimark> izibi: x201 power
258 2011-01-03T01:38:36 <ThomasWaldmann> and it is definitely less painful, because you can do a backup and snapshots of the virtual disk easily
259 2011-01-03T01:39:00 <izibi> but it's still windows :D
260 2011-01-03T01:39:05 <achshar> hmm alright the extraction just finished.. :)
261 2011-01-03T01:39:16 <achshar> i have a fresh directory.. :D
262 2011-01-03T01:39:19 <ThomasWaldmann> that way, you can run a whole network on a single machine, provided it has enough ressources
263 2011-01-03T01:39:40 <achshar> so what do i have to do to get it working?
264 2011-01-03T01:39:48 <ThomasWaldmann> copy moin moin.py
265 2011-01-03T01:40:17 <ThomasWaldmann> then start moin.py (it shall result in a cmd windows with log output)
266 2011-01-03T01:41:23 <achshar> no really.. it give that windown cant open this file dialgue
267 2011-01-03T01:41:39 <ThomasWaldmann> you have python installed?
268 2011-01-03T01:41:49 <achshar> and gives option to search web or select from currently installed softwares
269 2011-01-03T01:41:50 <dreimark> izibi: sometimes i have to use it for some documents
270 2011-01-03T01:42:01 <dreimark> but mostly it is off
271 2011-01-03T01:42:02 <achshar> no as i said, i just downloaded it
272 2011-01-03T01:42:11 <achshar> i guess i will need that too
273 2011-01-03T01:42:21 <dreimark> it is also funny to send a dvi or tex file to these people
274 2011-01-03T01:42:35 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: python 2.6 or 2.7, not 3.x
275 2011-01-03T01:42:49 <achshar> my language is php and i havent installed that either :P
276 2011-01-03T01:42:54 <achshar> alright :)
277 2011-01-03T01:42:55 <izibi> dreimark: i only know this win 2k3 server at school which needs about 10 minutes for booting ;)
278 2011-01-03T01:43:56 <izibi> i should join #windows-bashing or something like that :D
279 2011-01-03T01:43:57 <dreimark> you get it only faster if you use a SSd
280 2011-01-03T01:44:02 <izibi> so, wiki license ;)
281 2011-01-03T01:44:53 <dreimark> yeah :)
282 2011-01-03T01:44:54 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: defrag it :)
283 2011-01-03T01:45:11 <dreimark> or rm -r . hehe
284 2011-01-03T01:45:19 <achshar> i am downloading 2.7.1 x64 msi installer
285 2011-01-03T01:45:23 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, or frag it :DD
286 2011-01-03T01:45:38 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: you have 64bit windows?
287 2011-01-03T01:45:45 <achshar> yes :)
288 2011-01-03T01:45:51 <izibi> s/know/remember/ it's gone ;)
289 2011-01-03T01:46:05 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: we feel with you X-)
290 2011-01-03T01:46:15 <achshar> :P hahaha
291 2011-01-03T01:46:26 <izibi> are the default config values sorted in any way?
292 2011-01-03T01:46:47 <}neb1{> hello moin
293 2011-01-03T01:46:58 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: some are grouped by topic
294 2011-01-03T01:47:05 <ThomasWaldmann> or prefi
295 2011-01-03T01:47:06 <dreimark> }neb1{: difficult nixk
296 2011-01-03T01:47:06 <ThomasWaldmann> x
297 2011-01-03T01:47:18 <}neb1{> dreimark ?
298 2011-01-03T01:47:19 <ThomasWaldmann> moin }neb1{
299 2011-01-03T01:47:24 <dreimark> s/x/c/
300 2011-01-03T01:47:53 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: tab completion also works with some infix
301 2011-01-03T01:47:56 <}neb1{> i want to translate some modules in lithuanian
302 2011-01-03T01:47:59 <dreimark> seen
303 2011-01-03T01:48:04 <}neb1{> who can help me
304 2011-01-03T01:48:08 <}neb1{> ?
305 2011-01-03T01:48:14 <}neb1{> for GCi
306 2011-01-03T01:48:14 <ThomasWaldmann> ask whatever you need to know
307 2011-01-03T01:48:43 <dreimark> just ask
308 2011-01-03T01:48:47 <ThomasWaldmann> }neb1{: where are you from?
309 2011-01-03T01:48:53 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann: wanted to know how do i get credit for the translation
310 2011-01-03T01:48:57 <dreimark> we know only if you ask if we can help
311 2011-01-03T01:49:06 * ThomasWaldmann was in vilnius twice in the past years
312 2011-01-03T01:49:11 <izibi> where shall i add it? various?
313 2011-01-03T01:49:16 * dreimark once
314 2011-01-03T01:49:27 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann: born in Lithuania
315 2011-01-03T01:50:00 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: there is a field last-translator or so, you can add your name there
316 2011-01-03T01:50:24 <dreimark> }neb1{: ^
317 2011-01-03T01:50:38 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann or dreimark can you create a GCI task?
318 2011-01-03T01:51:03 <ThomasWaldmann> yes. but there are existing translation tasks.
319 2011-01-03T01:51:12 <}neb1{> link?
320 2011-01-03T01:52:19 <dreimark> did filtering not work for you ?
321 2011-01-03T01:52:38 <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/moinmoin/t129270131853
322 2011-01-03T01:53:02 <izibi> shall i use raw html for the license like for the credits?
323 2011-01-03T01:53:30 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann: thx claimed it
324 2011-01-03T01:53:45 <}neb1{> also i almost finished my work
325 2011-01-03T01:53:50 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: that is a problem that needs solving. we should avoid raw.
326 2011-01-03T01:54:35 <izibi> or a 2 item tuple with link and text and the whole text gets linked
327 2011-01-03T01:54:40 <achshar> yes! i have it installed, a cmd window pops up on clicking the copied moin.py file but its blank
328 2011-01-03T01:54:48 <ThomasWaldmann> }neb1{: usually you claim first to avoid trouble :)
329 2011-01-03T01:54:54 <achshar> wait
330 2011-01-03T01:55:14 <izibi> should it have a default value?
331 2011-01-03T01:55:18 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: i was thinking whether that stuff maybe should just live in template
332 2011-01-03T01:55:34 <ThomasWaldmann> in if you need to modify it, you override template
333 2011-01-03T01:56:08 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: startup takes a rather long while
334 2011-01-03T01:56:21 <ThomasWaldmann> but it should show some lines of text now and then
335 2011-01-03T01:56:36 <dreimark> }neb1{: please add the language into a comment
336 2011-01-03T01:56:53 <dreimark> somtimes other students claim the same lang
337 2011-01-03T01:57:08 <achshar> yes yes exactly.. thats why i said wait :D
338 2011-01-03T01:58:10 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: then i'll add a template ;) footer_license.html? wiki_license.html? something else?
339 2011-01-03T01:58:21 <dreimark> achshar: do you see a line like Running on http://127.0.0.1:8080/ ?
340 2011-01-03T01:58:22 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: btw, use an editor that uses lf-only (like on unix), not crlf
341 2011-01-03T01:58:22 <}neb1{> dreimark: added the language
342 2011-01-03T01:58:28 <izibi> what shall be the default behavior? show no license info at all?
343 2011-01-03T01:58:44 <}neb1{> also i almost finished my work...how do i submit it? just edit the wiki?
344 2011-01-03T01:58:49 <achshar> i am uploading a screenshoot
345 2011-01-03T01:59:05 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: the license is no issue, you have the wiki page name configured, just create a link to it
346 2011-01-03T01:59:19 <ThomasWaldmann> what i meant is for the credits links and other stuff
347 2011-01-03T01:59:20 <dreimark> }neb1{: yes
348 2011-01-03T01:59:37 <ThomasWaldmann> }neb1{: read MoinDev/Translation
349 2011-01-03T01:59:41 <achshar> yes it does! :D
350 2011-01-03T01:59:47 <achshar> dreimark: ^^
351 2011-01-03T01:59:57 * ThomasWaldmann brb
352 2011-01-03T02:00:04 <dreimark> achshar: then point your browser to this address
353 2011-01-03T02:00:37 <achshar> okokok yes! finally :) :D
354 2011-01-03T02:00:47 <achshar> thanks alot :d
355 2011-01-03T02:01:33 <achshar> oh and i cannot close the cmd meanwhile can i?
356 2011-01-03T02:01:42 <dreimark> achshar: kill it
357 2011-01-03T02:01:52 <dreimark> on linux it is ctrl+C
358 2011-01-03T02:02:09 <achshar> hmm i closed it and the site went down :(
359 2011-01-03T02:02:42 <dreimark> well if the server is killed the client can't get daTA
360 2011-01-03T02:03:21 <achshar> yeah.. btw hey moin has a nice cloudy header bkg ) cool :O
361 2011-01-03T02:04:59 <achshar> just a sugestion.. why dont you try to make the top menu more like a menu than a list of links.. dive the <a> a display block ;)
362 2011-01-03T02:06:19 * dreimark good night, have to wake up early
363 2011-01-03T02:06:49 <achshar> bii is almost morning here too cya guys tom.. :)
364 2011-01-03T02:07:30 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: what's the name of this option?
365 2011-01-03T02:11:03 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann: ok finished...
366 2011-01-03T02:12:03 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: shall i a way to easily override templates?
367 2011-01-03T02:12:34 <}neb1{> What is this site about?
368 2011-01-03T02:12:39 <}neb1{> TextCha
369 2011-01-03T02:12:55 <}neb1{> about moin?
370 2011-01-03T02:13:49 <izibi> http://moinmo.in/TextCha ?
371 2011-01-03T02:14:07 <}neb1{> nevermind
372 2011-01-03T02:15:03 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: what do you mean with "top menu"?
373 2011-01-03T02:15:32 <achshar> the one that has show meta modify donload
374 2011-01-03T02:15:35 <ThomasWaldmann> gn dreimark
375 2011-01-03T02:16:02 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: you mean a dropdown menu?
376 2011-01-03T02:16:09 <achshar> right now uts just link list
377 2011-01-03T02:16:22 <achshar> no i just mean to make the whole area clickable
378 2011-01-03T02:16:24 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, quick one click
379 2011-01-03T02:16:41 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, that would be welcome
380 2011-01-03T02:16:44 <achshar> like a button
381 2011-01-03T02:17:18 <ThomasWaldmann> we are a bit low on people working on css stuff
382 2011-01-03T02:17:19 <achshar> it can be achieved by adding display:block to the <a>
383 2011-01-03T02:17:36 <achshar> i can do it if you wish
384 2011-01-03T02:17:46 <izibi> css is easy (as long as you ignore IE :D) ;)
385 2011-01-03T02:18:02 <ThomasWaldmann> hehe
386 2011-01-03T02:18:17 <achshar> infact in the theme that i made, i have exactly what i am talking about :)
387 2011-01-03T02:18:44 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: feel welcome to continue working with us after gci
388 2011-01-03T02:18:57 <achshar> sure :)
389 2011-01-03T02:19:10 <achshar> http://moinmo.in/EasyToDo/make%20an%20alternate%20stylesheet/sunset?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Show.png
390 2011-01-03T02:19:23 <achshar> here the link is spread to whole pink area
391 2011-01-03T02:19:44 <ThomasWaldmann> i guess if we are mostly satisfied with the modernized theme, we'll want to have another, different one
392 2011-01-03T02:20:10 <achshar> yayy
393 2011-01-03T02:20:20 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: could you please answer my questions? ;)
394 2011-01-03T02:20:39 <ThomasWaldmann> and I'll have a deeper look at those alternate styles soon also
395 2011-01-03T02:21:18 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann where do i subscribe as a translator?
396 2011-01-03T02:21:18 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: something like license_page or so?
397 2011-01-03T02:21:32 <ThomasWaldmann> }neb1{: you read the page I gave?
398 2011-01-03T02:21:38 <}neb1{> yes
399 2011-01-03T02:21:56 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: oh i thought there's already one and i didn't see it ;)
400 2011-01-03T02:22:01 <}neb1{> i have to enter my name in a page...
401 2011-01-03T02:22:01 <ThomasWaldmann> you just create an account on master19.moinmo.in and add yourself to MoinPagesEditorGroup
402 2011-01-03T02:22:10 <}neb1{> what is that page
403 2011-01-03T02:22:12 <}neb1{> aaha
404 2011-01-03T02:22:13 <}neb1{> ok
405 2011-01-03T02:22:15 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: we had one in 1.9
406 2011-01-03T02:22:23 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe i killed it?
407 2011-01-03T02:22:48 <izibi> there's one called item_license but i don't think it's what i'm looking for
408 2011-01-03T02:23:01 <izibi> "if set, show the license item within the editor. [Unicode]"
409 2011-01-03T02:23:40 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, right, I changed it
410 2011-01-03T02:23:50 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, ignore that
411 2011-01-03T02:24:08 <izibi> section various? and no configurable link text?
412 2011-01-03T02:25:13 <achshar> hmm found another.. did you ever notice that on the top box type tabs where there is FindPage and HelpContents, the color changes but there is no link for about 5 pixels each side when you take mouse over it, its very small but fundamental :)
413 2011-01-03T02:25:47 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: yes, can be. we need to fix that.
414 2011-01-03T02:26:05 <achshar> :D
415 2011-01-03T02:26:37 <izibi> i'd find it much more useful if there was some text like "the contents of this wiki are licensed under a creative commons blah blah license" or whatever than just a link with the text "License" or so
416 2011-01-03T02:27:52 <achshar> actually its not a bug, its been coded as it should have been, it justed needed a little extra work over it. not anybody's fault. :)
417 2011-01-03T02:28:08 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: yes, it is more direct, but depending on the license, it might be too long, so a link is needed.
418 2011-01-03T02:29:51 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: could you create a right-aligned container for buttons in the footer?
419 2011-01-03T02:30:09 <izibi> should be no problem
420 2011-01-03T02:30:10 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe we can put "python powered" or whatever there?
421 2011-01-03T02:30:28 <ThomasWaldmann> or moin powered (after we have one :)
422 2011-01-03T02:30:57 <izibi> http://python.org/community/logos/python-powered-w-100x40.png this size?
423 2011-01-03T02:31:27 <ThomasWaldmann> i have no clue if there is some sort of "standard size" for that stuff
424 2011-01-03T02:33:01 <izibi> there is some special type of them but i can't remember the name
425 2011-01-03T02:33:54 <izibi> with a size of 80x20px or something like that
426 2011-01-03T02:34:45 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, about the license stuff. we could have theme_license (first thought about footer_license, but other themes do not neccessarily need to use footer)
427 2011-01-03T02:35:16 <ThomasWaldmann> and either this is some simple line of text and will be displayed as is in a line in the footer,
428 2011-01-03T02:35:56 <ThomasWaldmann> or it could be a jinja2 Markup object that encapsulates some piece of html (then it can have links also).
429 2011-01-03T02:36:02 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann: error
430 2011-01-03T02:36:10 <izibi> twitter, help me, how do you you call these icons
431 2011-01-03T02:36:10 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann: msgfmt
432 2011-01-03T02:36:52 <ThomasWaldmann> 1357: msgid "HelpOnConfiguration/SurgeProtection"
433 2011-01-03T02:36:52 <ThomasWaldmann> 1358: "HelpOnConfiguration/Surge apsauga"
434 2011-01-03T02:36:57 <ThomasWaldmann> msgstr missing
435 2011-01-03T02:37:18 *** achshar
436 2011-01-03T02:37:30 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, be careful: if you translate those names, it means that there is somehow a page expected
437 2011-01-03T02:38:20 <ThomasWaldmann> esp. the admin stuff (like configuration and installation help) is maybe not needed to be translated
438 2011-01-03T02:39:05 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: hmm, is that a good way for credits also?
439 2011-01-03T02:40:08 <ThomasWaldmann> or do we just want a "use it for whatever you want" fragment put there?
440 2011-01-03T02:41:48 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann: i submitted to melange
441 2011-01-03T02:42:09 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann: is it ok
442 2011-01-03T02:42:09 <}neb1{> ?"
443 2011-01-03T02:43:26 <izibi> http://www.python-blog.com/wp-content/images/python_80x15.png
444 2011-01-03T02:43:36 <izibi> but i still don't know how you call them :D
445 2011-01-03T02:44:25 <ThomasWaldmann> }neb1{: i need it on master19
446 2011-01-03T02:44:46 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann: what do you mean?
447 2011-01-03T02:45:03 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann: http://master19.moinmo.in/MoinI18n/lt
448 2011-01-03T02:45:09 <ThomasWaldmann> and you language team isn't Romanian, right? :D
449 2011-01-03T02:45:26 <ThomasWaldmann> last-translator missing
450 2011-01-03T02:45:37 <}neb1{> oh right it remained in Virtaal
451 2011-01-03T02:46:04 <}neb1{> i used virtaal and had those settings
452 2011-01-03T02:46:09 <ThomasWaldmann> is plural forms correct for lithuanian?
453 2011-01-03T02:46:57 <ThomasWaldmann> please remove crap at end of file
454 2011-01-03T02:47:22 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann i didn't translate any string with plural forms
455 2011-01-03T02:47:31 <ThomasWaldmann> i mean in the header
456 2011-01-03T02:48:28 <izibi> do you you use <img ...> or <img ... /> in html5? :D
457 2011-01-03T02:48:31 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann no
458 2011-01-03T02:48:41 <ThomasWaldmann> }neb1{: tell me when you're finished with editing on master19
459 2011-01-03T02:48:52 <ThomasWaldmann> I'll run the updater script then.
460 2011-01-03T02:48:56 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann i didn't edit anything in the header
461 2011-01-03T02:49:17 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: ask a validator :D
462 2011-01-03T02:49:46 <ThomasWaldmann> }neb1{: but maybe your program did :)
463 2011-01-03T02:50:28 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann: now i think i'm done
464 2011-01-03T02:51:17 * ThomasWaldmann downloads nice 27c3 videos :)
465 2011-01-03T02:51:41 *** Kapace_
466 2011-01-03T02:51:51 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann: what do u think
467 2011-01-03T02:51:57 <ThomasWaldmann> }neb1{: updater running, don't edit now
468 2011-01-03T02:52:13 <ThomasWaldmann> }neb1{: good work as far as i could see :)
469 2011-01-03T02:52:22 <ThomasWaldmann> i don't speak lt, though. :)
470 2011-01-03T02:52:31 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann glad to hear that
471 2011-01-03T02:52:39 <izibi> to get them on the right side, i might break some templates (if they use super() in the footer block)
472 2011-01-03T02:52:41 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann that was a little
473 2011-01-03T02:52:46 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann odd
474 2011-01-03T02:53:04 <ThomasWaldmann> i was quite glad that i remembered how the airport in vilnius looked, because the bus driver only announced stuff in lithuanian. :D
475 2011-01-03T02:53:07 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann you don't have anyone to check me
476 2011-01-03T02:53:30 <}neb1{> ?
477 2011-01-03T02:53:54 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann: i mean someone that knows lithuanian...
478 2011-01-03T02:53:57 <ThomasWaldmann> }neb1{: maybe the previous translator will have a look
479 2011-01-03T02:54:26 <ThomasWaldmann> but i guess he's not available right now, so we'll just trust you.
480 2011-01-03T02:54:33 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann what other tasks for lt do you have?
481 2011-01-03T02:54:47 <ThomasWaldmann> if you like, you could check the system pages
482 2011-01-03T02:54:51 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann: this was the only translation thing?
483 2011-01-03T02:55:06 <ThomasWaldmann> sys pages check is translation related
484 2011-01-03T02:55:19 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann: what do i have to do?
485 2011-01-03T02:55:27 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann: i think yes
486 2011-01-03T02:55:29 <ThomasWaldmann> locate the task on melange :)
487 2011-01-03T02:55:33 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann: a link?
488 2011-01-03T02:55:38 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann: ok
489 2011-01-03T02:55:42 <}neb1{> nvm
490 2011-01-03T02:56:36 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/moinmoin/t129270131462
491 2011-01-03T02:57:48 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann: is it ok?
492 2011-01-03T02:57:57 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann: can i claim it?
493 2011-01-03T02:58:37 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, this is the right one
494 2011-01-03T02:58:45 <ThomasWaldmann> let's first close the current one
495 2011-01-03T02:59:04 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann: right
496 2011-01-03T02:59:38 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann: tell me when you closed it
497 2011-01-03T03:00:55 <ThomasWaldmann> now
498 2011-01-03T03:01:10 <}neb1{> thanks
499 2011-01-03T03:01:31 <ThomasWaldmann> i am committing your stuff in a minute
500 2011-01-03T03:01:39 <ThomasWaldmann> and update master19 with it
501 2011-01-03T03:01:39 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92247/screenshots/2011-01-03-03-01-24_wv6agvi9wo8i26d7.png
502 2011-01-03T03:01:53 <ThomasWaldmann> then the check system pages will see your latest stuff
503 2011-01-03T03:02:56 *** Kapace
504 2011-01-03T03:03:21 <}neb1{> ThomasWaldmann: so i also have to translate all those pages
505 2011-01-03T03:03:22 <}neb1{> ?
506 2011-01-03T03:03:42 <ThomasWaldmann> no, not all :)
507 2011-01-03T03:03:57 <}neb1{> how many?
508 2011-01-03T03:05:35 <izibi> (hopefully this works in IE xD)
509 2011-01-03T03:06:51 <CIA-56> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5756:9d9c4b8b53d6 1.9/MoinMoin/i18n/ (cs.MoinMoin.po lt.MoinMoin.po ro.MoinMoin.po): updated i18n (lt translation updates thanks to Dobre Alin, GCI 2010)
510 2011-01-03T03:08:28 <ThomasWaldmann> }neb1{: check now whether master19 uses your translation
511 2011-01-03T03:08:48 <}neb1{> ok
512 2011-01-03T03:08:51 <ThomasWaldmann> }neb1{: see the task description and try that check action
513 2011-01-03T03:09:13 <ThomasWaldmann> it's only about the most essential pages, not lots of help pages
514 2011-01-03T03:09:58 <ThomasWaldmann> and about making the check translation output look less bad :)
515 2011-01-03T03:10:08 <}neb1{> i'll look at those in the morning
516 2011-01-03T03:10:19 <}neb1{> local time is 4 am
517 2011-01-03T03:10:32 <}neb1{> so i'm going to hit the pillow
518 2011-01-03T03:10:32 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: nice :)
519 2011-01-03T03:10:56 <ThomasWaldmann> }neb1{: good night and thanks for helping. I'll do same soon. :)
520 2011-01-03T03:10:58 <}neb1{> i'm off
521 2011-01-03T03:11:06 <}neb1{> night
522 2011-01-03T03:11:31 <izibi> }neb1{: good night
523 2011-01-03T03:11:42 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: what happens if left part gets long enough to collide with right part?
524 2011-01-03T03:12:15 <izibi> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92247/screenshots/2011-01-03-03-12-09_h79rw5at5dg6gk1u.png
525 2011-01-03T03:13:45 <izibi> does the background really has to be in this light blue? :D
526 2011-01-03T03:14:01 <izibi> i think it would look nicer, if the background colors would match ;)
527 2011-01-03T03:16:34 *** }neb1{
528 2011-01-03T03:23:26 <izibi> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92247/moinmoin_powered.png this should work for the first ;)
529 2011-01-03T03:23:35 <izibi> but what about the config options?
530 2011-01-03T03:23:55 <izibi> (img, url) tuples?
531 2011-01-03T03:28:12 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: ok, collides nicely
532 2011-01-03T03:29:15 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, nice mm powered logo, we can use that for now
533 2011-01-03T03:29:38 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: Markup object?
534 2011-01-03T03:30:50 <izibi> gimp and 2 minutes ;)
535 2011-01-03T03:31:51 <izibi> ninja markup object?
536 2011-01-03T03:32:42 <ThomasWaldmann> jinja2* :)
537 2011-01-03T03:33:30 <izibi> yeah of course :D
538 2011-01-03T03:33:46 * ThomasWaldmann is a bit undecided what's better
539 2011-01-03T03:34:04 <ThomasWaldmann> in the past we had lots of config vars with all kinds of stuff
540 2011-01-03T03:34:19 <ThomasWaldmann> but that somehow is not flexible enough sometimes
541 2011-01-03T03:34:42 <ThomasWaldmann> so maybe using a template or a part of it is easier and more flexible?
542 2011-01-03T03:38:57 <izibi> we can try to make as many parts of the templates as possible to be easily replacable
543 2011-01-03T03:39:47 <ThomasWaldmann> yes
544 2011-01-03T03:40:05 * ThomasWaldmann .sleep()
545 2011-01-03T03:40:18 <izibi> good night
546 2011-01-03T05:13:57 *** ruxy
547 2011-01-03T05:14:15 <ruxy> ThomasWaldmann:
548 2011-01-03T05:14:20 <ruxy> hello!
549 2011-01-03T05:15:32 <ruxy> i claimed the GCI task 3/3
550 2011-01-03T05:15:47 <ruxy> wanted to talk to you, my mentors
551 2011-01-03T05:29:10 *** `ruxy
552 2011-01-03T05:31:11 *** ruxy
553 2011-01-03T05:33:41 *** `ruxy
554 2011-01-03T05:45:11 *** ruxy
555 2011-01-03T05:56:49 *** izibi
556 2011-01-03T09:12:17 *** rfw
557 2011-01-03T09:18:50 *** NikitaUtiu
558 2011-01-03T09:26:16 *** rfw
559 2011-01-03T10:09:20 <xorAxAx> ruxy: just talk :)
560 2011-01-03T10:20:32 *** kennym
561 2011-01-03T10:53:15 *** rfw
562 2011-01-03T11:20:29 *** Samm
563 2011-01-03T11:22:17 <NikitaUtiu> my work is almost done :D, if somebody could check it https://bitbucket.org/NikitaUtiu/moin-2.0-dev-experimental
564 2011-01-03T11:22:31 <NikitaUtiu> i just need to add an openid field to the login view
565 2011-01-03T11:26:55 *** gwork
566 2011-01-03T11:28:04 <dreimark> NikitaUtiu: error_message = _('OpenID Erorr') typo
567 2011-01-03T11:29:01 <dreimark> logging messages not as i18n
568 2011-01-03T11:29:12 <dreimark> ok, you corrected
569 2011-01-03T11:29:55 <dreimark> # we get the uid of the user with this openid associated to him
570 2011-01-03T11:30:01 <dreimark> is this comment correct ?
571 2011-01-03T11:31:59 <NikitaUtiu> oh, that's not correct,
572 2011-01-03T11:32:13 <NikitaUtiu> it's supposed to be, we get the user with this openid
573 2011-01-03T11:33:31 <dreimark> is it possible to have a test, i have no idea if there are test openid users avail. to check just the principle
574 2011-01-03T11:34:19 <dreimark> it makes it easier to track
575 2011-01-03T11:34:28 <dreimark> if someone refactors auth again
576 2011-01-03T11:35:30 <dreimark> btw. if you not have already a homepage on moinmo.in you should create one ;)
577 2011-01-03T11:35:48 <NikitaUtiu> oh, ok
578 2011-01-03T11:36:11 <dreimark> usually we use our wiki homepage name
579 2011-01-03T11:36:23 <dreimark> because MoinMoin: is a interwikilink
580 2011-01-03T11:36:36 <dreimark> MoinMoin:NichitaUtiu
581 2011-01-03T11:36:54 <NikitaUtiu> i'll check it out
582 2011-01-03T11:40:42 <NikitaUtiu> about the test, what if i made a test account on some oid service like google?
583 2011-01-03T11:41:39 <dreimark> i think that is ok, ThomasWaldmann ?
584 2011-01-03T11:43:36 <NikitaUtiu> but i'll only be able to test the first stage of the login like this
585 2011-01-03T11:53:06 <NikitaUtiu> apparently, i'm not hte first one making such an account :D
586 2011-01-03T11:54:20 *** TripleEntendre
587 2011-01-03T11:54:33 *** Trip_
588 2011-01-03T11:56:47 *** Trip_
589 2011-01-03T12:22:34 <NikitaUtiu> dreimark: it can't be tested. apparently each response contains a handle id which changes every time: it can't be compared to an expected result :(
590 2011-01-03T12:25:53 *** kennym
591 2011-01-03T12:25:53 *** TripleEntendre
592 2011-01-03T12:26:06 *** Trip___
593 2011-01-03T12:48:27 <Trip___> dreimark / NikitaUtiu: a guy made a dummy OpenID server for using with tests... but it's a ruby/rails thing, maybe overkill for your purposes: https://mindlev.wordpress.com/2010/03/17/openid-integration-testing-in-rails/
594 2011-01-03T12:50:21 <NikitaUtiu> oh, that's not it, i also have one written in python, but the oid server's response contains a unique handle
595 2011-01-03T12:50:51 <NikitaUtiu> and i can't test it against any an expected value
596 2011-01-03T13:06:21 *** Trip___
597 2011-01-03T13:13:23 *** greg_f
598 2011-01-03T13:37:33 *** gwork
599 2011-01-03T13:37:34 *** CIA-56
600 2011-01-03T13:53:08 *** CIA-56
601 2011-01-03T14:01:30 *** izibi
602 2011-01-03T14:15:52 *** kennym
603 2011-01-03T14:30:03 <ruxy> ThomasWaldmann ok
604 2011-01-03T14:30:15 <ThomasWaldmann> hi ruxy
605 2011-01-03T14:30:27 <ruxy> hi
606 2011-01-03T14:34:52 <ruxy> ThomasWaldmann http://master.moinmo.in/MoinPagesEditorGroup
607 2011-01-03T14:35:12 <ruxy> added mysekf there but i still can't edit
608 2011-01-03T14:35:31 <ruxy> *myself
609 2011-01-03T14:38:30 <ThomasWaldmann> you need to use same name as your login name and put it into 1st level list
610 2011-01-03T14:39:09 *** Samm
611 2011-01-03T14:39:23 <izibi> how do i link to images in the static directory from a template?
612 2011-01-03T14:42:26 <izibi> and where shall i place these python/moin powered icons? directly in MoinMoin/static/common/?
613 2011-01-03T14:45:58 <ThomasWaldmann> you could start a logos/ subdir
614 2011-01-03T14:46:42 <ruxy> i have a question
615 2011-01-03T14:46:58 <izibi> static/logos/ or static/common/logos/?
616 2011-01-03T14:47:09 <ruxy> on strings like
617 2011-01-03T14:47:11 <ruxy> WikiCourse/10 Text layout with wiki markup
618 2011-01-03T14:47:24 <ruxy> is something like this ok
619 2011-01-03T14:47:28 <ruxy> WikiCourse/10 Tekstin asettelu, wiki merkinnät
620 2011-01-03T14:47:43 <ruxy> or also translate WikiCourse
621 2011-01-03T14:47:49 <ThomasWaldmann> ruxy: don't translate the course page names now
622 2011-01-03T14:48:08 <ruxy> you mean leave them empty?
623 2011-01-03T14:48:21 <ThomasWaldmann> use same as in english
624 2011-01-03T14:48:23 <ruxy> or like WikiCourse/10 Text layout with wiki markup
625 2011-01-03T14:48:29 <ruxy> aha
626 2011-01-03T14:48:30 <ruxy> ok
627 2011-01-03T14:48:33 <ruxy> thx
628 2011-01-03T14:48:54 <ruxy> another q
629 2011-01-03T14:49:03 <ruxy> WikiWebWiki
630 2011-01-03T14:49:13 <ruxy> leave it like this or translate
631 2011-01-03T14:49:33 <ruxy> i translated the the system pages
632 2011-01-03T14:49:38 <ruxy> names
633 2011-01-03T14:49:54 <ruxy> and i think i should also translate WikiWebWiki
634 2011-01-03T14:50:07 <ruxy> but i don't really know how...
635 2011-01-03T14:50:12 <ThomasWaldmann> well, a translated page name makes sense esp. if there really is such a page
636 2011-01-03T14:50:15 <ruxy> what does it mean
637 2011-01-03T14:50:39 <ThomasWaldmann> and if that page contains translated content
638 2011-01-03T14:51:04 <ThomasWaldmann> if it does not exist or is the same as in english anyway, you better not translate the name
639 2011-01-03T14:57:44 <NikitaUtiu> moin
640 2011-01-03T14:58:04 <ThomasWaldmann> ruxy: maybe use static/common/logos for now. needs more cleanup later anyway.
641 2011-01-03T14:58:12 <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm, izibi ^^
642 2011-01-03T14:58:21 <NikitaUtiu> should a moin page contain more forms or should i send them nested in one single form ?
643 2011-01-03T14:59:06 <ThomasWaldmann> not sure if this can be answered in general
644 2011-01-03T15:03:35 <NikitaUtiu> well to be more precise: if i have form and i do for.from_flat(somedict) will it initialize the values from nested forms or only the top-level elements ?
645 2011-01-03T15:03:39 <NikitaUtiu> *form
646 2011-01-03T15:05:56 <izibi> and what parameters do i have to use for url_for() to get a link to a static image?
647 2011-01-03T15:06:35 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: not sure. but flatland is rather powerful in general.
648 2011-01-03T15:08:42 <izibi> werkzeug debugger FTW! :D
649 2011-01-03T15:09:24 <NikitaUtiu> and confusing :D. i'll it to clarify some stuff to myself
650 2011-01-03T15:10:36 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: do we need the gpl and valid html stuff?
651 2011-01-03T15:13:49 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: keep it for now
652 2011-01-03T15:14:45 <izibi> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92247/screenshots/2011-01-03-15-14-00_qlqotjrn9vbzq65j.png
653 2011-01-03T15:15:07 <izibi> this is how it looks at the moment. shall i add the credits list on the bottom again?
654 2011-01-03T15:22:03 <izibi> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92247/screenshots/2011-01-03-15-21-49_xfms3eqgjmug8cnp.png
655 2011-01-03T15:29:51 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: just found http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~mren/wiki2beamer/doku.php?id=wiki2beamer_examples
656 2011-01-03T15:31:26 <dreimark> http://sourceforge.net/projects/wiki2beamer/
657 2011-01-03T15:34:26 <CIA-56> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5757:de0f5ac57c4c 1.9/MoinMoin/i18n/ (cs.MoinMoin.po fi.MoinMoin.po lt.MoinMoin.po): update i18n (updated fi translation thanks to Simion Ruxandra, GCI 2010)
658 2011-01-03T15:47:55 <izibi> https://bitbucket.org/izibi/moin-2.0-dev-gci/changeset/e48e42e07ef5
659 2011-01-03T15:49:34 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: after thinking about it, i think it is best to do a dual approach
660 2011-01-03T15:49:57 <ThomasWaldmann> we keep the nice gfx at the right, but we also keep the text links (good for google :)
661 2011-01-03T15:50:24 <ThomasWaldmann> (i mean keep py powered moin powered text stuff as it was before)
662 2011-01-03T15:54:29 <izibi> ist there a way to rollback a changeset on a remote repository? :/
663 2011-01-03T15:55:50 <ThomasWaldmann> there is hg rollback, but it should be only used if one is rather sure noone has cloned it already
664 2011-01-03T15:56:01 <ThomasWaldmann> or pulled, merged, whatever
665 2011-01-03T15:56:41 <izibi> yeah i know, but i pushed this change to bitbucket ;)
666 2011-01-03T15:57:37 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe to late then
667 2011-01-03T15:57:40 <izibi> delete repository... :D
668 2011-01-03T15:57:40 <ThomasWaldmann> too
669 2011-01-03T15:59:35 <izibi> https://bitbucket.org/izibi/moin-2.0-dev/changeset/e3a3f3428380
670 2011-01-03T16:00:23 *** achshar
671 2011-01-03T16:01:21 <izibi> where's the jinja template loader defined?
672 2011-01-03T16:01:51 <ThomasWaldmann> grep for it? :)
673 2011-01-03T16:02:34 <izibi> didn't find something
674 2011-01-03T16:02:41 <izibi> just inside support/
675 2011-01-03T16:03:28 <ThomasWaldmann> well, I'ld look into MoinMoin/theme and what we do with flask-theme
676 2011-01-03T16:06:43 <izibi> maybe it would be a better idea to read the flask theme docs instead of digging in the source :D
677 2011-01-03T16:08:59 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, if nothing else helps, read the docs :D
678 2011-01-03T16:18:27 <izibi> i think flask themes is not intended to do this :/
679 2011-01-03T16:23:53 <izibi> maybe we can use some special type of template that does not use flask-themes?
680 2011-01-03T16:24:24 <izibi> some kind of snippet templates
681 2011-01-03T16:43:24 <achshar> hello everybody.. ThomasWaldmann: so if i understand it correctly then i have to check if every syntax on this page (http://moinmo.in/HelpOnMoinWikiSyntax) works on my local moin2 installment and make a .rst file similar or even identical (in case everything works as it should) to one available over here http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0-dev/file/42d8cde592fb/docs/user/creolewiki.rst.. o am i correct?
682 2011-01-03T16:50:49 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: crap, i somehow felt that coming :|
683 2011-01-03T16:56:43 <achshar> ThomasWaldmann: so what do you think ^^?
684 2011-01-03T17:06:52 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: yes, but of course describing moin wiki markup (not creole)
685 2011-01-03T17:07:27 <ruxy> error 500
686 2011-01-03T17:07:48 <ThomasWaldmann> if something does not exist in moin wiki markup, or something else important exists that does not exist in creole, you have to leave that out / add that, of course
687 2011-01-03T17:07:56 <ruxy> what does this mean
688 2011-01-03T17:09:00 <achshar> hmm alright.. i think i got it.. i will kepp you showing the file as i make it :) and ruxy: i think it was for me :)
689 2011-01-03T17:09:55 <ThomasWaldmann> ruxy: error 500 means that it crashed
690 2011-01-03T17:20:53 <izibi> found something :) let's see if we can modify app.jinja_env.loader
691 2011-01-03T17:22:20 <izibi> "GitHub is Temporarily Offline." FU! :D
692 2011-01-03T17:23:20 <ThomasWaldmann> use bb :)
693 2011-01-03T17:25:40 <izibi> does flask themes still use the default flask template stuff?
694 2011-01-03T17:27:59 <ThomasWaldmann> read teh source, luke :)
695 2011-01-03T17:29:42 <izibi> let's try to set it to None and see if something fails xD
696 2011-01-03T17:30:46 <achshar> where can i get the logs for the channel??
697 2011-01-03T17:31:09 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: on the wiki
698 2011-01-03T17:31:40 <izibi> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'filters'
699 2011-01-03T17:31:41 <izibi> :)
700 2011-01-03T17:33:26 <achshar> got it thanks :)
701 2011-01-03T17:35:38 <izibi> https://github.com/mitsuhiko/flask/blob/master/flask/templating.py#L43 so if we add a snippet module to app.modules, we could specify a custom loader for snippets/... templates
702 2011-01-03T17:38:46 <NikitaUtiu> flatland just hates me :D, i ended up with a form that looks the same, but doesn't work
703 2011-01-03T17:39:17 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: sometimes it is a bit hard to wrap ones mind around flatland :)
704 2011-01-03T17:40:53 <izibi> i think this is the cleanest solution. shall i try to implement it? ;)
705 2011-01-03T17:41:33 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: yes, try
706 2011-01-03T17:42:22 <ThomasWaldmann> is it just about snippets or a general override?
707 2011-01-03T17:44:25 <izibi> this will allow us to override templates inside a special snippets/ directory if we add a custom template loader
708 2011-01-03T17:48:45 <dreimark> btw. did you read the book flatland?
709 2011-01-03T17:49:29 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: can i override layout.html with that method?
710 2011-01-03T17:50:01 <izibi> no, only templates inside snippets/
711 2011-01-03T17:50:39 <ThomasWaldmann> would it be doable to have a generic override template dir?
712 2011-01-03T17:51:29 <izibi> well, then i'd have to replace the template loader of the whole application
713 2011-01-03T17:58:56 <ThomasWaldmann> could be used for same thing, but also to override something one does not like - without having to write a theme
714 2011-01-03T17:59:48 <izibi> isn't it possible for user to change the theme? this might break something
715 2011-01-03T18:02:31 <ThomasWaldmann> currently we just have one theme, but yes, user can change this in his settings
716 2011-01-03T18:02:36 *** Samm
717 2011-01-03T18:02:52 <izibi> i'd say we should place every part of a theme that can be replaced without breaking any other theme in a snippet
718 2011-01-03T18:03:44 <ThomasWaldmann> but that would mean if we have a snippet for the license, you would have to create N overrides for N themes?
719 2011-01-03T18:03:55 <ThomasWaldmann> doesn't sound like admin joy :)
720 2011-01-03T18:05:01 <izibi> nope, i mean that we design the snippets in a way, that the same one can be used in every theme
721 2011-01-03T18:05:05 <NikitaUtiu> nested forms failed miserably :D
722 2011-01-03T18:05:43 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: if have flatland-specific questions, you can also try #discorporate
723 2011-01-03T18:06:05 <NikitaUtiu> they have an irc, that's nice
724 2011-01-03T18:06:27 <izibi> for example snippets/license.html would just be "The contents of this wiki are licensed under the <a href="...">Blah Blah License</a>."
725 2011-01-03T18:06:40 <izibi> and every theme includes this snippet
726 2011-01-03T18:07:15 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: yeah, sounds ok
727 2011-01-03T18:07:39 <ThomasWaldmann> the remaining question is whether this just needs to apply for snippets
728 2011-01-03T18:08:46 <ThomasWaldmann> we could also just include license.html, provide a default license.html in MoinMoin/templates/ and have a generic override mechanism for the admin
729 2011-01-03T18:09:48 <ThomasWaldmann> so lookup could be override->theme->builtin?
730 2011-01-03T18:09:54 <izibi> well, does this make sense?
731 2011-01-03T18:10:28 <ThomasWaldmann> only if carefully used I guess ;)
732 2011-01-03T18:10:40 <izibi> if you override the layout.html, then you could just throw away theme support ;)
733 2011-01-03T18:11:58 <ThomasWaldmann> well, one is not required to do dumb things. but maybe one could override other stuff that makes sense.
734 2011-01-03T18:14:04 <izibi> well, then i'll add global theme overwrite support. (use carefully :D)
735 2011-01-03T18:14:44 <ThomasWaldmann> e.g. if the mimetype column on global history annoys you, you could just have your own global_history.html
736 2011-01-03T18:17:15 <izibi> then we need a config value for the directory. templates_override?
737 2011-01-03T18:17:32 <ThomasWaldmann> yes
738 2011-01-03T18:18:13 <izibi> style section?
739 2011-01-03T18:21:10 <ThomasWaldmann> yes
740 2011-01-03T18:21:43 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe template_dir
741 2011-01-03T18:22:10 <ThomasWaldmann> (we usually have _dir suffix to identify directories)
742 2011-01-03T18:22:54 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: can you easily build a chain of multiple dirs?
743 2011-01-03T18:23:42 <izibi> >>> loader = FileSystemLoader('/path/to/templates')
744 2011-01-03T18:23:42 <izibi> >>> loader = FileSystemLoader(['/path/to/templates', '/other/path'])
745 2011-01-03T18:23:50 <izibi> yes, jinja supports both
746 2011-01-03T18:24:58 <izibi> shall i just pass the value from the config to the loader? then you can set a string or a list as value
747 2011-01-03T18:25:37 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, then we want template_dir = [td1, td2, ...]
748 2011-01-03T18:25:39 *** Samm
749 2011-01-03T18:25:41 <ThomasWaldmann> ok, then we want template_dirs = [td1, td2, ...]
750 2011-01-03T18:31:55 <izibi> shall the default license.html template just be empty?
751 2011-01-03T18:33:27 <ThomasWaldmann> "All content is owned by Thomas Waldmann."
752 2011-01-03T18:33:36 * ThomasWaldmann just joking
753 2011-01-03T18:34:13 <ThomasWaldmann> yes, i guess empty makes most sense
754 2011-01-03T18:35:11 <izibi> "You gave your soul to the devil." :D
755 2011-01-03T18:35:25 <izibi> <!-- you might want to change this -->
756 2011-01-03T18:38:46 <izibi> moin's startup time is a little bit annoying ;)
757 2011-01-03T18:40:04 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah
758 2011-01-03T18:42:26 <izibi> how do i check if string is not empty in jinja?
759 2011-01-03T18:42:38 <izibi> {% if license_info %} does not work
760 2011-01-03T18:43:00 <izibi> {% if license_info %}<p id="moin-wikilicense">{{ license_info }}</p>{% endif %} -> <p id="moin-wikilicense"></p>
761 2011-01-03T18:43:48 <achshar> ThomasWaldmann: my local page at http://127.0.0.1:8080/moin already contains moin wiki markups.. what is the needd to test them then?
762 2011-01-03T18:44:06 <ThomasWaldmann> app.unprotected_storage.index_rebuild() # XXX run this from a script
763 2011-01-03T18:44:06 <ThomasWaldmann> import_export_xml(app)
764 2011-01-03T18:44:17 <ThomasWaldmann> i guess those 2 take quite some time
765 2011-01-03T18:45:06 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: strange
766 2011-01-03T18:45:34 <izibi> TypeError: object of type 'TemplateModule' has no len()
767 2011-01-03T18:45:45 <izibi> seems like {% include %} does not return a string
768 2011-01-03T18:46:32 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: the point is to do a systematic and thorough test while writing the systematic and thorough docs :)
769 2011-01-03T18:47:02 <ThomasWaldmann> so you don't just document something that doesn't work
770 2011-01-03T18:47:45 <achshar> hmm ok :) makes sense..
771 2011-01-03T18:49:01 <izibi> {% if license_info.__html__() %} works, but i don't think this is how you should use it :D
772 2011-01-03T18:49:12 <ThomasWaldmann> (if it should work, you document it, but you also add a MOINTODO: <description what is todo still>)
773 2011-01-03T18:50:09 <achshar> hmm alright..
774 2011-01-03T18:50:47 <izibi> {% if license_info|e %} works too. any better ideas? ;)
775 2011-01-03T18:51:41 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: either docs or #pocoo - mitsuhiko
776 2011-01-03T18:52:26 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/313828/ please review before i commit and push it ;)
777 2011-01-03T18:53:37 <ThomasWaldmann> no print
778 2011-01-03T18:55:03 <izibi> debugging code ;)
779 2011-01-03T18:55:05 <ThomasWaldmann> ... that will override theme and base templates
780 2011-01-03T18:56:22 <ThomasWaldmann> that |e looks surprising somehow.
781 2011-01-03T18:56:26 *** grzywacz
782 2011-01-03T18:57:07 <izibi> just asked in #pocoo, let's wait for what they say
783 2011-01-03T18:59:04 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe |str is good enough for now
784 2011-01-03T18:59:35 <izibi> shall i add some todo tag?
785 2011-01-03T18:59:58 <izibi> TemplateAssertionError: no filter named 'str'
786 2011-01-03T19:00:50 <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm
787 2011-01-03T19:01:15 <ThomasWaldmann> but it looked good :D
788 2011-01-03T19:02:52 <izibi> it's called |string ;)
789 2011-01-03T19:06:54 <izibi> how can i disable caching?
790 2011-01-03T19:07:31 <ThomasWaldmann> of?
791 2011-01-03T19:07:49 <izibi> templates
792 2011-01-03T19:07:59 <achshar> any specific editer for an rst file?? will dreamweaver work?
793 2011-01-03T19:08:39 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: you know that "I'll kill you!" movie?
794 2011-01-03T19:08:47 <izibi> xD
795 2011-01-03T19:08:52 <achshar> no :O
796 2011-01-03T19:09:35 <izibi> if i remove the license.html file it's instantly gone, but if i add it again, it doesn't show up
797 2011-01-03T19:09:45 <ThomasWaldmann> to answer your question: you can use moin to edit a reST page
798 2011-01-03T19:09:57 <izibi> don't know if it'll show up if i wait long enough
799 2011-01-03T19:10:26 <achshar> hmm.. :D
800 2011-01-03T19:10:31 <izibi> but if i restart moin, it's there
801 2011-01-03T19:10:34 <ThomasWaldmann> afaik j2 caches in-memory if you don't do anything special
802 2011-01-03T19:11:07 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: btw, try load_xml = None in you wikiconfig_local.py
803 2011-01-03T19:12:32 <izibi> well, then you have to restart moin, if you add a override template ;)
804 2011-01-03T19:16:26 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/313862/
805 2011-01-03T19:17:26 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: that's no problem
806 2011-01-03T19:17:40 <achshar> ThomasWaldmann: btw when i select any item from the select in the bottom menu, nothing happens bu the top menu select dows work :O is it normal?
807 2011-01-03T19:18:47 <izibi> looks like jinja doesn't look for the template in the override dir if it didn't find it the first time
808 2011-01-03T19:18:53 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: changeset looks ok
809 2011-01-03T19:19:26 <izibi> but this will be way better for the performance
810 2011-01-03T19:19:29 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: someone used ids instead of class
811 2011-01-03T19:19:37 *** greg_f
812 2011-01-03T19:23:08 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: question about commit messages: shall i add a line break after 80 chars?
813 2011-01-03T19:24:13 <NikitaUtiu> it works! yay :D
814 2011-01-03T19:26:37 <NikitaUtiu> also i found a bug waiting to appear in the code
815 2011-01-03T19:26:37 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: if you just use hg commit, it'll start an editor (maybe vi(m))
816 2011-01-03T19:26:50 <ThomasWaldmann> first line usually is something short
817 2011-01-03T19:26:54 <ThomasWaldmann> then an empty line
818 2011-01-03T19:26:58 <ThomasWaldmann> then more details
819 2011-01-03T19:27:13 <ThomasWaldmann> (short means < 100 chars)
820 2011-01-03T19:27:45 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: great :)
821 2011-01-03T19:28:13 <NikitaUtiu> i want to make some changes regarding the bug before i push it
822 2011-01-03T19:29:23 <NikitaUtiu> if somebody modifies the form name in the login view the prefix of the POST arguments will change(eg. now the prefix is 'login_')
823 2011-01-03T19:29:40 <NikitaUtiu> and that will mess up the whole auth
824 2011-01-03T19:29:51 <ThomasWaldmann> sometimes starship troopers comes to my mind when thinking about bugs
825 2011-01-03T19:30:10 <NikitaUtiu> interesting :)
826 2011-01-03T19:30:50 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: yes, so don't change the form name :)
827 2011-01-03T19:30:56 <NikitaUtiu> but these ones won't eat you at least :D
828 2011-01-03T19:31:24 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, and killing them is less messy
829 2011-01-03T19:32:02 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: i know how to use hg ;)
830 2011-01-03T19:32:04 <NikitaUtiu> anyways... i can still make some adjustments to make fixing them less tedious
831 2011-01-03T19:32:12 *** rfw
832 2011-01-03T19:34:20 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: good :)
833 2011-01-03T19:36:03 <izibi> so what's next?
834 2011-01-03T19:36:12 <izibi> moving the credits stuff to snippets?
835 2011-01-03T19:37:07 <ThomasWaldmann> yup
836 2011-01-03T19:37:35 <ThomasWaldmann> can be much simpler then and without configuration
837 2011-01-03T19:38:55 <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, do we need to differentiate?
838 2011-01-03T19:39:16 <izibi> differentiate what?
839 2011-01-03T19:39:45 <ThomasWaldmann> credits vs. license vs. whatever else the admin likes to show there?
840 2011-01-03T19:41:04 <izibi> if everything is in a seperate template, each theme can display the snippets as it wants
841 2011-01-03T19:41:25 <izibi> if you just have a footer.html, the themes can only change the css but not the html
842 2011-01-03T19:41:31 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
843 2011-01-03T19:42:55 <izibi> or we could create one file that defines different macros
844 2011-01-03T19:43:15 <ThomasWaldmann> good idea :)
845 2011-01-03T19:43:39 <izibi> snippets.html?
846 2011-01-03T19:43:51 <ThomasWaldmann> yes
847 2011-01-03T19:44:25 <izibi> try&error or reading docs? :D
848 2011-01-03T19:45:04 <ThomasWaldmann> there are already some macros
849 2011-01-03T19:48:24 <achshar> ThomasWaldmann: the report here also checks if the marco also works on the reST parser.. do i also have to check that or i dont need to as it has already been done..
850 2011-01-03T19:48:39 <achshar> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0-dev/file/42d8cde592fb/docs/user/creolewiki.rst
851 2011-01-03T19:51:44 <izibi> how to call these macros? credits and creditlogos?
852 2011-01-03T19:56:01 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: yes
853 2011-01-03T19:56:35 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: i am not sure about what you mean
854 2011-01-03T19:58:08 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: with some arguments, these macros are even more flexbible. :) jinja2 <3 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/313903/
855 2011-01-03T19:59:23 <achshar> ThomasWaldmann: on line 70 of the file linked above.. it reports that the bold and italics dont work in the reST parser.. so my question is do i also have to check if the reST parser is showing the marcos correctly or not..
856 2011-01-03T20:00:53 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: ok :)
857 2011-01-03T20:01:24 <ThomasWaldmann> achshar: you don't have to re-report same stuff
858 2011-01-03T20:01:38 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, that is "markup", not "macros"
859 2011-01-03T20:02:06 <achshar> yeah i just thought it would be good to conform that from you :D
860 2011-01-03T20:02:16 <achshar> oh alright.. will kepp that in mind
861 2011-01-03T20:02:58 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: will that be a problem if we switch autoescape on?
862 2011-01-03T20:04:37 <izibi> let's try. i hope not ;)
863 2011-01-03T20:13:49 <izibi> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/313917/
864 2011-01-03T20:14:01 <izibi> how do i enable autoescape?
865 2011-01-03T20:16:37 <ThomasWaldmann> for a global enable see MoinMoin/__init__.py MoinFlask class
866 2011-01-03T20:16:52 <ThomasWaldmann> but be prepared for other weird stuff happening :)
867 2011-01-03T20:19:07 <izibi> startup time... :D
868 2011-01-03T20:20:37 <izibi> and it breaks :D
869 2011-01-03T20:21:30 <izibi> how do i load jinja extensions?
870 2011-01-03T20:23:20 <izibi> "a template has the ability to opt in/out autoescaping with the {% autoescape %} tag." (flask docs)
871 2011-01-03T20:23:28 <izibi> TemplateSyntaxError: Encountered unknown tag 'autoescape'.
872 2011-01-03T20:26:24 <ThomasWaldmann> look at the place where it sets up jinja
873 2011-01-03T20:27:17 <ThomasWaldmann> MoinMoin/__init__.py or theme/__init__.py iirc
874 2011-01-03T20:30:18 *** kennym
875 2011-01-03T20:34:02 <izibi> setting autoescape=False disabled the default extensions? :D
876 2011-01-03T20:34:05 <izibi> -?
877 2011-01-03T20:37:33 <izibi> select_jinja_autoescape = False would have the same effect as overriding jinja_options but would not disable the default extensions
878 2011-01-03T20:38:37 <ThomasWaldmann> we want autoescape as soon as we can support it. there is a task about it. :)
879 2011-01-03T20:39:56 *** mihai_
880 2011-01-03T20:40:04 <izibi> yeah, but i want to use the autoescape extension ;)
881 2011-01-03T20:40:41 <ThomasWaldmann> hi mihai_ :)
882 2011-01-03T20:40:51 <mihai_> hi ThomasWaldmann
883 2011-01-03T20:41:27 <mihai_> did u see my latest work?
884 2011-01-03T20:41:56 <izibi> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/92247/screenshots/2011-01-03-20-41-44_q2dl275mtie39nh8.png works :D
885 2011-01-03T20:42:18 <NikitaUtiu> https://bitbucket.org/NikitaUtiu/moin-2.0-dev - all the latest changes, tested practically . :)
886 2011-01-03T20:43:10 <ThomasWaldmann> mihai_: looks ok
887 2011-01-03T20:44:30 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: nice, diff?
888 2011-01-03T20:44:36 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: anything else to add to snippets.html?
889 2011-01-03T20:45:20 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: yes, but not within this task
890 2011-01-03T20:46:14 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: maybe do a diff cross all your changes and review it yourself. if you think you're done, submit one for review to pastebin.
891 2011-01-03T20:47:01 <izibi> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/313938/
892 2011-01-03T20:48:41 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: can't i just submit a link to my bb repo?
893 2011-01-03T20:49:46 *** Samm
894 2011-01-03T20:52:46 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: shall i change the jinja_options to select_jinja_autoescape?
895 2011-01-03T20:53:15 <izibi> don't need the autoescape extension anymore ;)
896 2011-01-03T20:53:40 <CIA-56> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5758:7314c075befd 1.9/MoinMoin/i18n/cs.MoinMoin.po: updated cs i18n (thanks to Petr Pecha, GCI 2010)
897 2011-01-03T20:55:35 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: snippets.html:11 does this need to be in 1 line?
898 2011-01-03T20:56:15 <izibi> no
899 2011-01-03T20:56:41 <ThomasWaldmann> can you reformat the file so it looks a bit nicer?
900 2011-01-03T20:56:46 <ThomasWaldmann> but still works? :)
901 2011-01-03T20:57:04 <izibi> if the theme isn't cached :D
902 2011-01-03T20:57:13 <izibi> restarting...
903 2011-01-03T20:57:18 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: the autoescape change looks fine
904 2011-01-03T20:57:40 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: so openid works now?
905 2011-01-03T20:57:46 <NikitaUtiu> yes
906 2011-01-03T20:57:50 <izibi> what's the max line lenght in the source?
907 2011-01-03T20:57:52 <ThomasWaldmann> cool :)
908 2011-01-03T20:58:22 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: try to target 80..120
909 2011-01-03T20:58:34 <izibi> 113 :)
910 2011-01-03T20:59:02 <izibi> shall i create one patch file with all changes?
911 2011-01-03T20:59:08 <ThomasWaldmann> there is no strict rule, i guess it is more important that it looks good
912 2011-01-03T20:59:22 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: for review, that would be helpful
913 2011-01-03T20:59:28 <NikitaUtiu> also, i have to document it's usage now , don't i ?
914 2011-01-03T20:59:33 <ThomasWaldmann> not required for submission though, a url is fine
915 2011-01-03T21:00:00 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: a snippet for the admin would be nice and for the user it is hopefully obvious :)
916 2011-01-03T21:01:17 <izibi> shall i remove the credits option from the default config or will this break something? :D
917 2011-01-03T21:01:24 <NikitaUtiu> it is obvious but not very user friendly currently
918 2011-01-03T21:01:37 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: diofeher: ronny: waldi: xorAxAx: any other mentor there?
919 2011-01-03T21:02:06 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: remove it. grep src for credits to make sure.
920 2011-01-03T21:02:47 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: could you also please create a overall diff for review?
921 2011-01-03T21:03:06 <ThomasWaldmann> -> paste.pocoo.org
922 2011-01-03T21:03:21 <NikitaUtiu> just a sec
923 2011-01-03T21:06:42 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: do i have to add the template_dirs option to the decode_names tuple in config/default.py?
924 2011-01-03T21:09:49 <NikitaUtiu> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/313957/
925 2011-01-03T21:10:13 <ThomasWaldmann> izibi: no, pathes are not unicode
926 2011-01-03T21:10:45 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: yes
927 2011-01-03T21:11:01 <izibi> ThomasWaldmann: don't know what it's for. i just saw that credits was in there ;)
928 2011-01-03T21:11:07 <dreimark> now
929 2011-01-03T21:14:03 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: can you take care of translation tasks?
930 2011-01-03T21:14:21 <ThomasWaldmann> i am looking at the openid stuff right now
931 2011-01-03T21:14:41 <ThomasWaldmann> (or other stuff that comes up :)
932 2011-01-03T21:14:52 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: yes i am trained by the one who did romanian some days ago
933 2011-01-03T21:17:25 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: openid_fail_msg = N_('Failed to autheniticate with this OpenID.') < typo
934 2011-01-03T21:17:56 <izibi> http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/moinmoin/t129398637566 submitted
935 2011-01-03T21:19:22 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: views 847 looks like "else" is superfluous
936 2011-01-03T21:19:47 <ThomasWaldmann> because of the return in the if branch
937 2011-01-03T21:21:21 <ThomasWaldmann> NikitaUtiu: did you ever see one of the fail msgs?
938 2011-01-03T21:21:37 <dreimark> greek and hungarian for me
939 2011-01-03T21:21:54 <NikitaUtiu> yes, eg. entered an url w/o an oid service
940 2011-01-03T21:24:24 <ThomasWaldmann> 842..851 confuses me
941 2011-01-03T21:24:33 <izibi> please don't import the diff to the repository. the moinmoin and python icons are missing in the diff ;)
942 2011-01-03T21:26:27 <NikitaUtiu> if both form verifications failed
943 2011-01-03T21:27:56 <ThomasWaldmann> yes?
944 2011-01-03T21:28:20 <NikitaUtiu> returns a failure
945 2011-01-03T21:28:51 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
946 2011-01-03T21:29:19 <NikitaUtiu> and shows that red text below the forms (eg. username may not be blank)
947 2011-01-03T21:29:46 <ThomasWaldmann> ok
948 2011-01-03T21:30:12 <ThomasWaldmann> let's assume one does not fail
949 2011-01-03T21:30:43 <ThomasWaldmann> how can it get into the else branch then?
950 2011-01-03T21:34:41 <NikitaUtiu> flaskg.user.valid is a bool so it's either true or false
951 2011-01-03T21:35:54 <ThomasWaldmann> how can it ever be non-true?
952 2011-01-03T21:37:04 <NikitaUtiu> if the authentication attempt failed
953 2011-01-03T21:37:18 <NikitaUtiu> it's an invalid user
954 2011-01-03T21:39:37 <CIA-56> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5759:d3e198f36e0d 1.9/MoinMoin/i18n/hu.MoinMoin.po: updated hu i18n (thanks to Simion Ruxandra, GCI 2010)
955 2011-01-03T21:40:27 <dreimark> mihai_: are you sure with 0042
956 2011-01-03T21:43:32 <NikitaUtiu> ThomasWaldmann: htg now, for tomorrow then
957 2011-01-03T21:43:34 <NikitaUtiu> bye
958 2011-01-03T21:48:42 *** NikitaUtiu
959 2011-01-03T21:49:14 <dreimark> mihai_: 242 you change formatting
960 2011-01-03T21:49:28 <dreimark> ''blocked''
961 2011-01-03T21:49:46 <dreimark> to '' αποκλείονται ''
962 2011-01-03T21:50:08 <dreimark> mihai_: 245
963 2011-01-03T21:50:14 <dreimark> ''warned''
964 2011-01-03T21:50:36 <dreimark> but προειδοποιούνται''''
965 2011-01-03T21:50:59 <dreimark> please review all lines
966 2011-01-03T21:51:10 <ruxy> dreimark: i will fix them..
967 2011-01-03T21:51:15 <ruxy> it's not finished
968 2011-01-03T21:51:23 <ruxy> :P
969 2011-01-03T21:51:32 <ruxy> i mean proofread
970 2011-01-03T21:51:32 <dreimark> is mihai_ a different name for you ?
971 2011-01-03T21:52:05 <mihai_> i will review them
972 2011-01-03T21:53:32 <dreimark> mihai_: http://moinmo.in/HelpOnMoinWikiSyntax#Text_Formatting
973 2011-01-03T21:53:34 <ruxy> ok mihai_ but maybe i will do proofreading
974 2011-01-03T21:53:36 <dreimark> ruxy: ^
975 2011-01-03T21:53:52 <dreimark> this is the meaning for the '' and others
976 2011-01-03T21:53:58 <dreimark> it is a formatting rule
977 2011-01-03T21:54:34 <mihai_> but what is wrong with the first?
978 2011-01-03T21:54:44 <dreimark> there are blanks
979 2011-01-03T21:54:45 <mihai_> <dreimark> to '' αποκλείονται ''
980 2011-01-03T21:55:07 <dreimark> we have no italics blanks
981 2011-01-03T21:59:34 <dreimark> 415 blank missing \"%(regex)s\": %(error)s
982 2011-01-03T21:59:40 <dreimark> for \"%(regex)s:%(error)s"
983 2011-01-03T22:01:20 <dreimark> mihai_: 538 "'''Email'''"
984 2011-01-03T22:01:38 <dreimark> similiar next lines
985 2011-01-03T22:02:37 <dreimark> 555 the br macro is <<BR>>
986 2011-01-03T22:02:47 <dreimark> not <br>>
987 2011-01-03T22:02:57 <dreimark> this is no html it is moins markup
988 2011-01-03T22:03:19 <mihai_> ok so keep case and delete blanks
989 2011-01-03T22:03:40 <mihai_> working on it
990 2011-01-03T22:03:52 <dreimark> and look where you have italics or bold formatted words
991 2011-01-03T22:03:58 <dreimark> or other formatting
992 2011-01-03T22:04:30 <mihai_> so 'foo' or ''''foo'''' does exist?
993 2011-01-03T22:04:36 <mihai_> or only '' and '''
994 2011-01-03T22:04:47 <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/HelpOnMoinWikiSyntax#Text_Formatting
995 2011-01-03T22:05:38 <dreimark> 'word' means just 'word' but for '' amd ''' look at the table
996 2011-01-03T22:07:18 <mihai_> ok
997 2011-01-03T22:08:12 <dreimark> 689 extra \" which is not in english
998 2011-01-03T22:10:54 <dreimark> 1012 wrong \"
999 2011-01-03T22:15:09 <dreimark> 2059 strange translated
1000 2011-01-03T22:22:06 <mihai_> dreimark: how do i see the line numbers in the edit mode
1001 2011-01-03T22:22:17 <dreimark> ruxy: 0023 no dot at the end of line?
1002 2011-01-03T22:22:46 <dreimark> mihai_: you don't have two browsers
1003 2011-01-03T22:23:05 <dreimark> and search then in the second by the en msg string
1004 2011-01-03T22:23:10 <ruxy> well yeah...but a easier way
1005 2011-01-03T22:23:31 <mihai_> ok dreimark
1006 2011-01-03T22:23:52 <dreimark> ruxy: the formatter gettext does the numbers
1007 2011-01-03T22:23:52 <ruxy> fixed that
1008 2011-01-03T22:25:28 <dreimark> ruxy: line 56 why A(z) ?
1009 2011-01-03T22:25:41 <ruxy> oh or maybe with preview
1010 2011-01-03T22:26:35 <dreimark> yeah that is easier than two browsers
1011 2011-01-03T22:27:52 <ruxy> A(z)...like when you say edit, view, copy
1012 2011-01-03T22:28:19 <dreimark> ok, just wondered about that it looks like math
1013 2011-01-03T22:30:24 <dreimark> ruxy: 0167 "Hozzáadás a %(category)s-hoz"
1014 2011-01-03T22:30:49 <dreimark> %(category)s will be dynamically replaced
1015 2011-01-03T22:30:59 <dreimark> is -hoz then correct ?
1016 2011-01-03T22:31:20 <dreimark> 179 . instead of !
1017 2011-01-03T22:31:46 <dreimark> 187 formatting changed
1018 2011-01-03T22:32:18 <ruxy> dreimark: can we use query?
1019 2011-01-03T22:32:33 <ruxy> if you want
1020 2011-01-03T22:36:33 * ThomasWaldmann needs to kill someone
1021 2011-01-03T22:40:42 <xorAxAx> whom?
1022 2011-01-03T23:06:57 <ruxy> :))
1023 2011-01-03T23:07:15 <ruxy> dreimark: did u see that?
1024 2011-01-03T23:07:25 <dreimark> yes :))
1025 2011-01-03T23:07:50 <ruxy> it also appears with an arrow to you?
1026 2011-01-03T23:08:05 <ruxy> and **
1027 2011-01-03T23:09:19 <ruxy> ok i think i'm off soon...it is late here..
1028 2011-01-03T23:28:26 <ruxy> gn
1029 2011-01-03T23:29:42 *** ruxy
1030 2011-01-03T23:39:51 *** m4k3r
1031 2011-01-03T23:44:50 *** Samm
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