1 2010-12-24T00:00:13 <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoin2.0
2 2010-12-24T00:00:45 <dreimark> as you understand german you can look at the talk thomas and me had at the DLR in cologne
3 2010-12-24T00:01:02 <dreimark> or watch the english talk from ep
4 2010-12-24T00:03:03 <kennym> I will definitely do that!
5 2010-12-24T00:03:41 <kennym> Really nice to see that a lot of core developers are Germans.
6 2010-12-24T00:19:08 *** Samm
7 2010-12-24T00:19:40 <kennym> Do logging.debug() messages have to be i18nised?
8 2010-12-24T00:19:55 <kennym> dreimark: ThomasWaldmann: ^
9 2010-12-24T00:20:30 <kennym> nah, I think that's silly
10 2010-12-24T00:25:10 <ThomasWaldmann> no
11 2010-12-24T00:25:21 <ThomasWaldmann> no logging needs to be i18ned
12 2010-12-24T00:25:38 *** Roboraider
13 2010-12-24T00:25:54 <kennym> yeah, no one would like to translate that stuff ;)
14 2010-12-24T00:27:24 <ThomasWaldmann> Roboraider_: how's the weather?
15 2010-12-24T00:27:58 <kennym> -Password is too easy
16 2010-12-24T00:28:00 <Roboraider> It's quite nice and suny
17 2010-12-24T00:28:02 <Roboraider> sunny*
18 2010-12-24T00:28:08 <kennym> +Password is to easily guessable
19 2010-12-24T00:28:09 <kennym> ?
20 2010-12-24T00:28:13 <kennym> s/to/too
21 2010-12-24T00:28:36 * ThomasWaldmann .oO(we should invent beaming :)
22 2010-12-24T00:28:44 <Roboraider> :)
23 2010-12-24T00:29:15 *** Roboraider_
24 2010-12-24T00:29:40 <ThomasWaldmann> otoh, internet seems to be a bit unstable :)
25 2010-12-24T00:30:43 <Roboraider> So, if I understand correctly, the target=_blank should be a part of the querystring and not part of the attribute/element.
26 2010-12-24T00:33:35 *** grzywacz
27 2010-12-24T00:33:54 <ThomasWaldmann> Roboraider: no, target is an attr of <a> element
28 2010-12-24T00:35:38 <Roboraider> So we have it backwards?
29 2010-12-24T00:36:07 <ThomasWaldmann> somehow, yes
30 2010-12-24T00:36:36 <kennym> ThomasWaldmann: do you want the changes in a single patch or can they be a series of patches?
31 2010-12-24T00:37:33 <ThomasWaldmann> kennym: if you use revision control like hg, it can of course be a series of changesets
32 2010-12-24T00:39:35 <ThomasWaldmann> you know what a clean changeset is?
33 2010-12-24T01:15:02 <Roboraider> I don't think the task I'm doing is very easy. I've been working on it for 3 days straight and I'm kind of stuck. Maybe I should get another task?
34 2010-12-24T01:16:53 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, maybe should've been medium
35 2010-12-24T01:17:06 <ThomasWaldmann> the problem is one usually does not know in advance
36 2010-12-24T01:18:16 <Roboraider> Should I withdraw from the task?
37 2010-12-24T01:18:51 <ThomasWaldmann> if you don't think you can solve easily, yes
38 2010-12-24T01:19:01 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe get the timing thing
39 2010-12-24T01:19:07 <ThomasWaldmann> task*
40 2010-12-24T01:19:09 <Roboraider> Okay.
41 2010-12-24T01:20:29 <ThomasWaldmann> if the timing logging task is done, there will be a related followup task possible
42 2010-12-24T01:22:09 <ThomasWaldmann> if you want something else than coding, there are also doc tasks, btw
43 2010-12-24T01:30:17 <ThomasWaldmann> you have it :)
44 2010-12-24T02:21:35 *** Roboraider
45 2010-12-24T03:24:25 *** kennym
46 2010-12-24T07:38:08 *** skylamer`
47 2010-12-24T09:34:07 *** Samm
48 2010-12-24T10:26:33 *** rfw
49 2010-12-24T11:19:54 *** greg_f
50 2010-12-24T13:30:50 *** m4k3r
51 2010-12-24T13:36:23 *** kennym
52 2010-12-24T15:40:01 *** NikitaUtiu
53 2010-12-24T15:58:16 *** Samm
54 2010-12-24T16:31:53 *** laurion
55 2010-12-24T16:32:03 <laurion> hello
56 2010-12-24T16:32:12 <laurion> about GCi:D
57 2010-12-24T16:32:27 <laurion> looking for a mentor
58 2010-12-24T16:35:36 *** anthony__
59 2010-12-24T16:35:54 *** laurion
60 2010-12-24T16:37:07 <anthony__> ThomasWaldmann: hello
61 2010-12-24T16:37:22 <anthony__> ThomasWaldmann: ping
62 2010-12-24T16:44:53 <anthony__> dreimark: hello
63 2010-12-24T16:45:15 <anthony__> dreimark: can you help me? about a GCi task
64 2010-12-24T16:49:37 <anthony__> ronny: are you a GCi mentor?
65 2010-12-24T17:01:37 <ThomasWaldmann> hi anthony__
66 2010-12-24T17:02:44 <ThomasWaldmann> as you are maybe new to irc, always remember: just ask what you want to know, don't ask "can someone help me?".
67 2010-12-24T17:08:30 <ThomasWaldmann> anthony__: ?
68 2010-12-24T17:12:02 <anthony__> ThomasWaldmann: yes...about the moinMoin translation
69 2010-12-24T17:12:09 <anthony__> 2/3
70 2010-12-24T17:13:01 <anthony__> didnț't manage to edit http://master19.moinmo.in/MoinI18n/ro
71 2010-12-24T17:13:09 <anthony__> please tell me how
72 2010-12-24T17:13:26 <anthony__> there is no edit button
73 2010-12-24T17:13:59 <anthony__> says 'immutable page'
74 2010-12-24T17:14:08 <anthony__> ThomasWaldmann: ?
75 2010-12-24T17:17:33 *** anthony____
76 2010-12-24T17:18:25 <anthony____> ThomasWaldmann: did I miss anything
77 2010-12-24T17:18:56 *** anthony__
78 2010-12-24T17:19:00 <anthony____> the other anthony__ is no longer me
79 2010-12-24T17:22:04 *** NikitaUtiu
80 2010-12-24T17:22:56 <ThomasWaldmann> anthony____: it is all documented on the wiki pages i gave you
81 2010-12-24T17:23:18 <ThomasWaldmann> (maybe you did not add yourself to the group - what is your wiki user name?)
82 2010-12-24T17:23:21 <anthony____> I know I read them
83 2010-12-24T17:23:39 <anthony____> I know how to edit wiki pages
84 2010-12-24T17:24:11 <anthony____> anthony
85 2010-12-24T17:24:26 <anthony____> ThomasWaldmann: is my name
86 2010-12-24T17:26:54 <ThomasWaldmann> usually you use FirstnameLastname, there are for sure many anthonys on this planet :)
87 2010-12-24T17:27:29 <ThomasWaldmann> so please go to your user settings and change your name accordingly (do not create new account)
88 2010-12-24T17:32:37 <anthony____> ThomasWaldmann: done
89 2010-12-24T17:33:05 <anthony____> ThomasWaldmann: now how do I edit it
90 2010-12-24T17:33:21 <anthony____> tell me where to click or what to do first
91 2010-12-24T17:34:05 <anthony____> ThomasWaldmann: and then I will be able to move on
92 2010-12-24T17:35:26 <ThomasWaldmann> what is your wiki user name?
93 2010-12-24T17:36:30 <ThomasWaldmann> anthony____:
94 2010-12-24T17:37:27 <ThomasWaldmann> i need to go soon
95 2010-12-24T17:38:54 <ThomasWaldmann> anthony____: http://master19.moinmo.in/MoinPagesEditorGroup add your user name there
96 2010-12-24T17:38:58 * ThomasWaldmann is away now
97 2010-12-24T17:39:59 <anthony____> ThomasWaldmann: NicolaeAntonio
98 2010-12-24T17:57:49 *** NikitaUtiu
99 2010-12-24T18:07:23 <NikitaUtiu> ThomasWaldmaldmann: could i change the name of the +backlinks view to something more suggestive like +backrefs
100 2010-12-24T18:37:43 <NikitaUtiu> ThomasWaldmann: ^
101 2010-12-24T18:44:21 *** m4k3r
102 2010-12-24T18:57:07 *** m4k3r
103 2010-12-24T19:15:09 *** greg_f
104 2010-12-24T19:23:40 * dreimark merry christma
105 2010-12-24T19:27:42 *** NikitaUtiu
106 2010-12-24T19:28:23 <dreimark> NikitaUtiu: if i google for backlinks i find it 12,100,000 and backrefs only 209,000 times
107 2010-12-24T19:28:45 <dreimark> so your suggestion likly is not as suggestive as you think
108 2010-12-24T19:29:39 <dreimark> we need to consider that moin users are not only devs
109 2010-12-24T19:36:22 <kennym> hi, anyone can answer my question here: http://moinmo.in/KennyMeyer/Notes#MoinMoin.2BAC8-security
110 2010-12-24T19:36:36 <kennym> *?
111 2010-12-24T19:36:55 <kennym> s/anyone can/can anyone
112 2010-12-24T19:45:50 <anthony____> ThomasWaldmann: hey
113 2010-12-24T19:46:31 <anthony____> ThomasWaldmann: On the http://master19.moinmo.in/MoinPagesEditorGroup wiki the button Edit appeared
114 2010-12-24T19:46:54 <anthony____> ThomasWaldmann: but I can't edit it because I don
115 2010-12-24T19:46:59 <kennym> also, please, leave a comment on the questions here: http://moinmo.in/KennyMeyer/Notes#MoinMoin.2BAC8-templates:
116 2010-12-24T19:47:06 <anthony____> ThomasWaldmann: but I can't edit it because I don't have enough rights
117 2010-12-24T19:47:47 <anthony____> everybody
118 2010-12-24T19:47:51 <anthony____> i have a question
119 2010-12-24T19:48:02 <anthony____> how can I edit http://master19.moinmo.in/MoinPagesEditorGroup
120 2010-12-24T19:48:12 <kennym> anthony____: I think dreimark can help you with this
121 2010-12-24T19:48:15 <anthony____> for GCi
122 2010-12-24T19:49:24 <anthony____> I don't have enough rights and I couldn't edit it
123 2010-12-24T19:49:50 <anthony____> or ronny
124 2010-12-24T19:50:04 <anthony____> or anyone
125 2010-12-24T19:51:25 <dreimark> kennym: it that the only one?
126 2010-12-24T19:52:04 <dreimark> anthony____: have you logged in?
127 2010-12-24T19:52:20 <anthony____> yes
128 2010-12-24T19:52:23 <kennym> dreimark: the only what? question?
129 2010-12-24T19:52:32 <dreimark> kennym: yes about N_
130 2010-12-24T19:52:35 <anthony____> before I didn't even see the edit button
131 2010-12-24T19:52:47 <dreimark> anthony____: which browser ?
132 2010-12-24T19:52:55 <anthony____> chrome
133 2010-12-24T19:53:03 <anthony____> but i see the edit button now
134 2010-12-24T19:53:05 <anthony____> because
135 2010-12-24T19:53:13 <anthony____> I subscibed in the team
136 2010-12-24T19:53:24 <anthony____> the translation team
137 2010-12-24T19:53:28 <kennym> dreimark: this one, and the one pointed out here: http://moinmo.in/KennyMeyer/Notes#MoinMoin.2BAC8-templates:
138 2010-12-24T19:54:03 <dreimark> anthony____: http://master19.moinmo.in/4ct10n/info/MoinPagesEditorGroup?action=diff&rev2=524&rev1=523
139 2010-12-24T19:54:09 <dreimark> you mean this change ^^
140 2010-12-24T19:55:23 <anthony____> I don't know....I almost finished the translation
141 2010-12-24T19:55:36 <anthony____> translated ~450 strings
142 2010-12-24T19:55:38 *** skylamer`
143 2010-12-24T19:55:41 <anthony____> is that it?
144 2010-12-24T19:56:49 <dreimark> anthony____: ok i know now what you meant by "I subscibed in the team"
145 2010-12-24T19:57:11 <anthony____> this is the page where I added my name
146 2010-12-24T19:57:24 <anthony____> http://master19.moinmo.in/MoinI18n/ro
147 2010-12-24T19:57:33 <dreimark> yes, this gives you edit rights
148 2010-12-24T19:57:34 <anthony____> this is the page I tried to edit
149 2010-12-24T19:57:49 <anthony____> yes but not for this http://master19.moinmo.in/MoinI18n/ro
150 2010-12-24T19:57:55 <anthony____> why?
151 2010-12-24T20:00:02 <dreimark> why what ?
152 2010-12-24T20:00:55 <anthony____> why cannot I edit that
153 2010-12-24T20:03:22 <anthony____> dreimark: it says you cannot edit ACSLs on this page
154 2010-12-24T20:03:48 <dreimark> anthony____: aha
155 2010-12-24T20:04:00 <dreimark> anthony____: just don't change the acl line
156 2010-12-24T20:04:14 <anthony____> what is that
157 2010-12-24T20:04:26 <dreimark> #acl -All:write Default
158 2010-12-24T20:04:29 <dreimark> this line
159 2010-12-24T20:04:50 <dreimark> http://master19.moinmo.in/MoinI18n/ro?action=raw
160 2010-12-24T20:05:02 <dreimark> it is the 5th line
161 2010-12-24T20:05:48 <anthony____> done
162 2010-12-24T20:05:53 <anthony____> ty very much
163 2010-12-24T20:05:55 <dreimark> then try to save
164 2010-12-24T20:06:39 <dreimark> the line controls the edit rights
165 2010-12-24T20:07:03 <anthony____> did it
166 2010-12-24T20:07:03 <kennym> dreimark: can you answer those questions? After I fixed them, I will request review for the work I have done so far.
167 2010-12-24T20:07:49 *** m4k3r
168 2010-12-24T20:08:59 <dreimark> kennym: in the past we had to write words as CamelCase to get a link to a new item
169 2010-12-24T20:10:06 <dreimark> so yes it was by design. Now we can write it also as [[Site Map]] but that also in moin-2.0 not correct
170 2010-12-24T20:10:25 <dreimark> because in moin-2.0 it is not anymore a macro on a page
171 2010-12-24T20:10:31 <dreimark> it is a view now
172 2010-12-24T20:11:20 *** Samm
173 2010-12-24T20:11:24 <dreimark> +sitemap
174 2010-12-24T20:11:28 <kennym> dreimark: and _() doesn't do the job?
175 2010-12-24T20:13:06 <dreimark> it does, there is no counter involved
176 2010-12-24T20:14:00 *** Samm
177 2010-12-24T20:15:22 <kennym> dreimark: thanks
178 2010-12-24T20:15:31 <kennym> also thanks for your explanation.
179 2010-12-24T20:15:59 <kennym> and this one: _('-----------------------------------')
180 2010-12-24T20:16:20 <kennym> is there any reason to localize dashes?
181 2010-12-24T20:17:03 <dreimark> where did you find that?
182 2010-12-24T20:17:27 <kennym> dreimark: http://moinmo.in/KennyMeyer/Notes#MoinMoin.2BAC8-themes
183 2010-12-24T20:17:44 <kennym> dreimark: in MoinMoin/themes/__init__.py
184 2010-12-24T20:20:30 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0-dev/annotate/edc4268a45db/MoinMoin/theme/__init__.py#l437
185 2010-12-24T20:21:14 <dreimark> kennym: it is not needed.
186 2010-12-24T20:21:34 <kennym> dreimark: OK, thank you
187 2010-12-24T20:29:07 <kennym> dreimark: actually there is a comment
188 2010-12-24T20:29:14 <kennym> # Translation may need longer or shorter separator:
189 2010-12-24T20:29:40 <kennym> but is that the translator's job?
190 2010-12-24T20:30:11 *** Roboraider
191 2010-12-24T20:30:35 <Roboraider> Merry Christmas!
192 2010-12-24T20:31:26 <Roboraider> Christmas Eve!
193 2010-12-24T20:31:27 <kennym> Roboraider: thanks you, too. Meh, but no snow
194 2010-12-24T20:31:37 <Roboraider> It never snows here :(
195 2010-12-24T20:32:04 <kennym> neither here
196 2010-12-24T20:32:47 <kennym> it's rainy and it's 25º hot. Perfect Christmas weather :)
197 2010-12-24T20:33:27 <Roboraider> Nice
198 2010-12-24T20:33:48 <vpv> -27 Celcius here ;)
199 2010-12-24T20:33:58 <kennym> vpv: omg!
200 2010-12-24T20:34:26 <kennym> vpv: South Pole? ;)
201 2010-12-24T20:35:08 <vpv> More like North Pole, Finland actually
202 2010-12-24T20:35:28 <vpv> it's unusually cold even by local standards
203 2010-12-24T20:36:17 <Roboraider> wow
204 2010-12-24T20:36:19 <Roboraider> thats crazy
205 2010-12-24T20:36:50 <Roboraider> 25 degrees Celsius here
206 2010-12-24T20:50:12 <dreimark> kennym: hmm, yes thats the reason
207 2010-12-24T20:50:23 <dreimark> because it needs to separate
208 2010-12-24T20:50:39 <dreimark> and if the translation strings much longer it is currently done manually too
209 2010-12-24T20:51:13 <kennym> dreimark: so, I have leave it like it is?
210 2010-12-24T20:51:18 <dreimark> kennym: yes
211 2010-12-24T20:51:35 <kennym> argh, already committed the change, but ok
212 2010-12-24T20:51:45 <dreimark> vpv: I have currently nearly the same amount of snow as i remember from kiruna
213 2010-12-24T20:53:32 <dreimark> kennym: you can rollback if you don't have pushed to your master
214 2010-12-24T20:53:57 <kennym> dreimark: hmm, rollback seems to work only once
215 2010-12-24T20:54:11 <dreimark> yes only for last action
216 2010-12-24T20:54:18 *** rfw
217 2010-12-24T20:54:34 <kennym> dreimark: also I cannot pull my fork on bitbucket
218 2010-12-24T20:54:42 <kennym> it always fails
219 2010-12-24T20:54:58 <kennym> abort: connection ended unexpectedly
220 2010-12-24T20:55:07 <dreimark> bad
221 2010-12-24T20:55:24 <kennym> can ThomasWaldmann's branch?
222 2010-12-24T20:55:29 <kennym> *I use
223 2010-12-24T20:56:18 <dreimark> we need to wait until he is back, if that was a question to him
224 2010-12-24T20:57:50 <kennym> dreimark: no. I mean I am working on his branch (the main branch) and is there a way I let you review my work?
225 2010-12-24T20:59:35 <dreimark> kennym: you have a bit bucket clone, then yes thomas can merge that into the main repo
226 2010-12-24T21:00:21 <dreimark> and if we have access to your clone we can review there too
227 2010-12-24T21:00:44 <kennym> dreimark: ok, now the problem is cloning my clone
228 2010-12-24T21:00:55 <kennym> and the history is massive
229 2010-12-24T21:00:58 <kennym> 200MB
230 2010-12-24T21:02:19 <dreimark> if you have already a local clone you can clone that too
231 2010-12-24T21:02:32 <dreimark> hg clone local copy
232 2010-12-24T21:04:29 <kennym> dreimark: and then push the changes to bitbucket?
233 2010-12-24T21:04:46 <kennym> will try that
234 2010-12-24T21:06:18 <dreimark> kennym: i think i don't understand
235 2010-12-24T21:06:37 <dreimark> do you try to fix a commit you have done already?
236 2010-12-24T21:07:15 <dreimark> there is not a reason to do that. just readd it with the comment for the reason
237 2010-12-24T21:08:00 <dreimark> e.g. revert 34i23ufrs changeset because ...
238 2010-12-24T21:23:59 *** anthony____
239 2010-12-24T21:35:25 <kennym> dreimark: I have done several micro-commits, and the commit I want to rollback isn't recent enough to be rolled back
240 2010-12-24T21:35:54 <kennym> dreimark: but I think I have found a solution: hg clone -r last_revision_I_want repo_with_things_I_do_not_want new_repo_with_only_good_stuff
241 2010-12-24T21:37:53 *** anthony__
242 2010-12-24T21:38:21 <anthony__> ThomasWaldmann: ping
243 2010-12-24T22:12:42 <dreimark> kennym: :) you should work locally in a clone or many clones
244 2010-12-24T22:13:05 <dreimark> then you can push to you local master
245 2010-12-24T22:13:19 <dreimark> and if you like it push from there to bitbucket
246 2010-12-24T22:36:58 <anthony__> ThomasWaldmann: ping
247 2010-12-24T22:37:11 <anthony__> ThomasWaldmann: finished the translation
248 2010-12-24T22:37:33 <anthony__> ThomasWaldmann: :D
249 2010-12-24T22:40:44 <anthony__> is here any of Alexander Schremmer, Reimar Bauer, Thomas Waldmann, ronny pfannschmidt??
250 2010-12-24T22:40:59 <anthony__> is someone a GCi mentor?
251 2010-12-24T22:41:04 <anthony__> ;;)
252 2010-12-24T22:41:12 <ronny> re
253 2010-12-24T22:41:25 <ronny> just got back from my christmas party
254 2010-12-24T22:41:49 *** Roboraider
255 2010-12-24T23:00:36 <anthony__> Hey
256 2010-12-24T23:00:42 <anthony__> Merry Christmas!!
257 2010-12-24T23:00:48 <anthony__> everyone
258 2010-12-24T23:00:59 <anthony__> is 25th December 00:00
259 2010-12-24T23:01:03 <anthony__> MY TIME
260 2010-12-24T23:01:21 <anthony__> so Santa must arrive :D
261 2010-12-24T23:57:20 <ThomasWaldmann> re
262 2010-12-24T23:57:36 <ThomasWaldmann> anthony__: ah, great
263 2010-12-24T23:58:45 * ThomasWaldmann runs make update-po
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