MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2010-10-08

   1 2010-10-08T00:22:58  <ThomasWaldmann> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/10/google-code-in-schools-out-codes-in.html
   2 2010-10-08T00:31:15  *** RogerHaase has left #moin-dev
   3 2010-10-08T13:36:20  <ronny> moinmoin
   4 2010-10-08T13:42:06  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
   5 2010-10-08T13:42:55  <ronny> preparing a plan to kill distutils*/setuptools from my vcs trees
   6 2010-10-08T13:45:54  <ThomasWaldmann> eh? what's the problem with that?
   7 2010-10-08T13:48:42  <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: i needed some hookins to extend metadata from vcs and some other things
   8 2010-10-08T13:49:11  <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: i tried to solve it with distutils, but its just so utterly messed, i dont want to any more
   9 2010-10-08T13:53:56  * ThomasWaldmann doesn't get it (except the messed part :)
  10 2010-10-08T13:56:24  <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: well, i want to be able to thread distutils* as black box that doesnt even exist in my source tree's - just in the stuff i upload to pypi
  11 2010-10-08T14:00:20  <ThomasWaldmann> ah. is that really useful? isn't having the stuff explicitely in some files better?
  12 2010-10-08T14:01:37  <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: well, the extensions i want to the stuff are incredible messy, fragile and hard to test if implemented in terms of ds1/2
  13 2010-10-08T14:01:58  <ronny> so its either a pile of messy crap, or the black box approach
  14 2010-10-08T14:02:44  <ronny> i tried the first one already, thats why im convinced the second one will do me better
  15 2010-10-08T14:06:02  <ronny> ThomasWaldmann: and well, there will be a file containing it
  16 2010-10-08T14:07:29  <ronny> just something with a distinct name
  17 2010-10-08T18:42:27  *** RogerHaase has joined #moin-dev
  18 2010-10-08T20:40:29  <ThomasWaldmann> re
  19 2010-10-08T21:08:27  <ronny> hmm
  20 2010-10-08T21:09:26  <ronny> waldi: what are the plans for getting tickets, got something for me that will kill the urge to ask every other day (i got a patience issue there)?
  21 2010-10-08T21:12:45  <ThomasWaldmann> http://events.ccc.de/
  22 2010-10-08T21:17:47  <ronny> oic
  23 2010-10-08T21:36:08  <CIA-36> Roger Haase <crosseyedpenguin@yahoo.com> default * 10085:8dac667a9be0 2.0-dev/MoinMoin/ (3 files in 2 dirs): support ordered lists with starting number: I.#42 forty-two
  24 2010-10-08T21:36:12  <CIA-36> Roger Haase <crosseyedpenguin@yahoo.com> default * 10086:205876bf20ec 2.0-dev/MoinMoin/ (2 files in 2 dirs): consistent use of semi-colons after attribute values; avoid use of underscore and hyphen in same class name
  25 2010-10-08T21:36:16  <CIA-36> Roger Haase <crosseyedpenguin@yahoo.com> default * 10087:6b3c8ea1f32d 2.0-dev/MoinMoin/ (4 files in 3 dirs): add word-wrap to selected cells within History and Global History pages; work around Firefox bug with javascript
  26 2010-10-08T21:36:16  <CIA-36> Roger Haase <crosseyedpenguin@yahoo.com> default * 10088:33503deb8f42 2.0-dev/MoinMoin/ (4 files in 3 dirs): History and Global History word-break cleanup; change moin-wordwrap classname to moin-wordbreak; expand Firefox wordbreak support to include TD children
  27 2010-10-08T23:07:58  <RogerHaase> ThomasWaldmann: I am going to work on table styling next. Will Moin2 support the "old table markup" documented in http://moinmo.in/HelpOnTables?    <v ) 50% #FF0000>
  28 2010-10-08T23:09:55  <ThomasWaldmann> well, it's not implemented yet
  29 2010-10-08T23:10:07  <ThomasWaldmann> (iirc)
  30 2010-10-08T23:10:55  <ThomasWaldmann> so, do you want to do the python code and the css?
  31 2010-10-08T23:13:30  <RogerHaase> Yes, the python code and css are mixed, sometimes more of one and less of the other.
  32 2010-10-08T23:15:28  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, feel free :)
  33 2010-10-08T23:16:18  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, be careful with style=...
  34 2010-10-08T23:16:38  <RogerHaase> As of now, I think the changes will be limited to moinwiki_in.py and html_out.py.  I have aleady changed both of those.
  35 2010-10-08T23:17:31  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe the dom representation needs some thinking
  36 2010-10-08T23:20:21  <RogerHaase> Dom was very confusing with I.#42, we use names with underscores going in and similar names with hyphens coming out??
  37 2010-10-08T23:21:08  <dreimark> RogerHaase: can we have th too currently we have only td
  38 2010-10-08T23:22:07  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: how would it work?
  39 2010-10-08T23:22:58  <RogerHaase> ? There is a <rowstyle="..."> already defined.
  40 2010-10-08T23:24:03  <dreimark> we don't have syntax yet for that. and always  using first row is bad too.
  41 2010-10-08T23:24:52  <dreimark> RogerHaase: style= can be used to inject js
  42 2010-10-08T23:25:00  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe we first reimplement what we have in 1.9 and what still makes sense
  43 2010-10-08T23:25:22  <RogerHaase> I am looking at http://moinmo.in/HelpOnTables.  It has rowstyle.
  44 2010-10-08T23:25:58  <dreimark> http://tablesorter.com/docs/ something similiar wikipedia has too
  45 2010-10-08T23:27:19  <dreimark> at least we should use thead and tbody
  46 2010-10-08T23:30:13  <RogerHaase> dreimark: I now understand what you are saying, moin tables currently do not have a th or header row.
  47 2010-10-08T23:31:29  <ThomasWaldmann> and no markup for that
  48 2010-10-08T23:32:56  * ThomasWaldmann would suggest not introducing new markup now if we can avoid it
  49 2010-10-08T23:33:04  <RogerHaase> Ok, small steps first.  Maybe I just do a background color and see how much I understand.
  50 2010-10-08T23:33:40  * dreimark too - but also we improve other parts too
  51 2010-10-08T23:39:04  <RogerHaase> I agree with dreimark that thead is very much needed;  many, maybe all, of the jQuery plugins that do table tricks require thead and tbody.