MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2010-04-22

   1 2010-04-22T00:00:34  <dreimark> gn
   2 2010-04-22T00:00:55  <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: I know that moin won't work without locking but 10 seconds for listing the names of only 400 pages is far to much. maybe "portalocker" is a faster method
   3 2010-04-22T00:00:58  <JosefMeier> gn dreimark
   4 2010-04-22T00:01:20  <ThomasWaldmann> some stuff needs locking with windows, but not with posix os
   5 2010-04-22T00:01:55  <JosefMeier> My feeling also is, that on faster windows pc's (with faster harddisks) it isn't an issue.
   6 2010-04-22T00:02:35  <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: locking files is supported by windows beginning with xp.
   7 2010-04-22T00:02:54  <JosefMeier> I don't think we must support win95 and win98
   8 2010-04-22T00:03:25  <JosefMeier> or we could provide the current lock mechanism as fallback for this old win versions
   9 2010-04-22T00:04:43  <JosefMeier> as far as I told dreimark I would test new locking code on my windows versions (xp, vista and windows 7). but I don't have the knowledge to write new caching/lock code myself
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  12 2010-04-22T00:07:01  <JosefMeier> s/as far as/as/
  13 2010-04-22T00:18:08  <JosefMeier> n8 (Thomas please answer here, if you like. I can read your comments tomorrow)
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  22 2010-04-22T10:12:42  <dreimark> moin
  23 2010-04-22T10:13:25  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: TheSheep what do you think on adding your imap_auth to 1.9
  24 2010-04-22T10:19:12  <dreimark> 2009-10-11T23:49:24  * TheSheep rewrites an imap-based  auth plugin for moin for the 4th time
  25 2010-04-22T10:22:54  <TheSheep> dreimark: I need to clean it up and generalize
  26 2010-04-22T10:23:11  <TheSheep> dreimark: and I never have the time to sit down and do it
  27 2010-04-22T10:23:44  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
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  29 2010-04-22T11:09:45  <dreimark> TheSheep: i was also thinking about to book a long flight or train trip to read a book about jquery
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  32 2010-04-22T11:17:13  <TheSheep> dreimark: somehow books don't help me much
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  35 2010-04-22T11:56:38  <JosefMeier> Moin
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  38 2010-04-22T14:11:35  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: what was the other method instead of wikiutil.renderText ?
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  40 2010-04-22T14:32:25  <ThomasWaldmann> no idea
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  42 2010-04-22T14:51:36  <diofeher> moin moin!
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  46 2010-04-22T17:03:13  <zenhase> dreimark: booking flights and train trips just to read a book sounds like your reading habits are very expensive in the long run ...
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  48 2010-04-22T17:38:07  <ThomasWaldmann> hehe
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  50 2010-04-22T17:53:43  <dreimark> zenhase: yeah
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  54 2010-04-22T18:35:59  <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
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  80 2010-04-22T22:30:59  <ThomasWaldmann> re
  81 2010-04-22T22:42:23  <dreimark> re
  82 2010-04-22T22:43:58  * dreimark had a new idea for solving the renaming issue, but not sure if we can do this
  83 2010-04-22T22:44:34  <dreimark> i did wrongly used the clone feature of inkscape and that has inspired me
  84 2010-04-22T22:44:57  <dreimark> can we have an item used on a page just as clone of the items real object name
  85 2010-04-22T22:44:59  <ThomasWaldmann> what renaming issue?
  86 2010-04-22T22:45:10  <dreimark> rename and item with reference
  87 2010-04-22T22:45:19  <dreimark> in 1.9 if you rename a page
  88 2010-04-22T22:45:36  <dreimark> you have to find where it is used and need to exchange it
  89 2010-04-22T22:46:13  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, you have to fix links and transclusions
  90 2010-04-22T22:46:54  <dreimark> by now we can only insert a copy of a pagename
  91 2010-04-22T22:47:12  <dreimark> inkscape can insert a copy of an object or a clone
  92 2010-04-22T22:47:26  <dreimark> if clone is changed it is changed everywhere
  93 2010-04-22T22:48:20  <ThomasWaldmann> well, that is just how it looks at the surface, but how do you want to realize that?
  94 2010-04-22T22:49:13  <dreimark> a link must have meta data
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  96 2010-04-22T22:49:36  <dreimark> currently it is only a plain string in the text
  97 2010-04-22T22:50:06  <dreimark> if we may be invent a link item it could have meta data
  98 2010-04-22T22:50:26  <ThomasWaldmann> what metadata would a link have?
  99 2010-04-22T22:51:10  <ThomasWaldmann> and that can't be a "link item", otherwise you just shift the problem
 100 2010-04-22T22:51:15  <dreimark> it needs to have the hash id  of the name it links to then it is searchable by meta data search
 101 2010-04-22T22:51:59  <ThomasWaldmann> that doesn't help
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 103 2010-04-22T22:53:31  <dreimark> i think we need something to identify a link from normal text
 104 2010-04-22T22:53:47  <dreimark> you don't want to replace everything
 105 2010-04-22T22:53:53  <dreimark> named the same
 106 2010-04-22T22:54:36  <ThomasWaldmann> well, for 1.9 i suggest to just forget about that
 107 2010-04-22T22:54:47  <dreimark> items are 2.0
 108 2010-04-22T22:54:55  <ThomasWaldmann> for 2.0 we'll have better parsers/converters
 109 2010-04-22T22:55:01  <ThomasWaldmann> including a link converter
 110 2010-04-22T22:55:15  <dreimark> we have? oh - missed it then
 111 2010-04-22T22:55:17  <ThomasWaldmann> but still, you concept is unclear
 112 2010-04-22T22:55:56  <ThomasWaldmann> we already discussed that some time ago btw
 113 2010-04-22T22:56:23  <ThomasWaldmann> it could work be storing links not as name, but as uuid of linked item
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 115 2010-04-22T22:56:33  <ThomasWaldmann> s/be/by/
 116 2010-04-22T22:56:39  <dreimark> yes, right 2
 117 2010-04-22T22:57:00  <ThomasWaldmann> if you edit, the uuid would be replaced by link markup with the name
 118 2010-04-22T22:57:19  <ThomasWaldmann> if you save, it would replace the name with the uuid-reference again
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 120 2010-04-22T22:58:51  * dreimark remembers
 121 2010-04-22T23:00:47  <ThomasWaldmann> but maybe let's first getting the basics working :)
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 123 2010-04-22T23:00:55  <dreimark> for sure
 124 2010-04-22T23:01:27  <ThomasWaldmann> e.g. images don't work at all currently
 125 2010-04-22T23:03:23  <dreimark> user login seems also not working or I don't have the right setup
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 127 2010-04-22T23:04:24  <dreimark> may be we should have also for mobwrite a similiar ui as etherpads
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