1 2010-04-09T00:00:15 <xorAxAx> some speling, hah
2 2010-04-09T00:00:54 <ThomasWaldmann> ;)
3 2010-04-09T00:01:08 <diofeher> haha
4 2010-04-09T00:01:25 <diofeher> i don't know how to use it, at and on very well
5 2010-04-09T00:01:29 <dreimark> the m2 key is broken
6 2010-04-09T00:01:34 <diofeher> these kind of stuff
7 2010-04-09T00:01:49 <ThomasWaldmann> "Men's and Women's Jean's and Shirt's" < my favourite apostrophe catastrophe
8 2010-04-09T00:05:16 <diofeher> heheh
9 2010-04-09T00:05:36 <diofeher> ThomasWaldmann: more questions about the proposal?
10 2010-04-09T00:08:56 <ThomasWaldmann> not right now
11 2010-04-09T00:10:07 <diofeher> ok, thank you so much for the feedback =)
12 2010-04-09T00:11:21 * AshishG just finished with his assignment due tomorrow... err... today and goes off to fix this soc application
13 2010-04-09T00:11:56 <_buck> I think I'll be submitting my complete proposal after 12 hours from now. Will you be free for a review then?
14 2010-04-09T00:12:32 <_buck> Right now its incomplete at http://moinmo.in/AshishSharma
15 2010-04-09T00:13:15 <_buck> s/you/mentor/
16 2010-04-09T00:14:08 <dreimark> _buck: we try
17 2010-04-09T00:14:28 <dreimark> after 12h is a good time (night is over)
18 2010-04-09T00:15:06 <_buck> :), thanks.
19 2010-04-09T00:16:21 * dreimark has added some questions comments to proposals
20 2010-04-09T00:17:20 * ValentinJaniaut is happy to have done his proposal before, and not have to rush now ^ ^
21 2010-04-09T00:17:56 * dreimark hopes that melange don't get overload
22 2010-04-09T00:18:06 <dreimark> gn
23 2010-04-09T00:18:39 <diofeher> gn means goodnight?
24 2010-04-09T00:18:42 <diofeher> =p
25 2010-04-09T00:21:47 <_buck> gn
26 2010-04-09T00:21:53 *** _buck
27 2010-04-09T00:22:01 * ThomasWaldmann .o(go nuts)
28 2010-04-09T00:33:42 * AshishG is hoping ThomasWaldmann is here for a lil more while
29 2010-04-09T00:41:55 <AshishG> ThomasWaldmann: I have added some "how" on /AshishGandhi
30 2010-04-09T00:42:11 <AshishG> is this what you guys meant by "how"?
31 2010-04-09T00:47:58 <ValentinJaniaut> gn
32 2010-04-09T00:48:12 <diofeher> go nuts =)
33 2010-04-09T01:01:33 <AshishG> gn
34 2010-04-09T01:02:55 <ThomasWaldmann> AshishG: think about trees and stacks after waking up :)
35 2010-04-09T01:04:02 <AshishG> hmm... seems an error there maybe. will do after waking up :)
36 2010-04-09T01:04:13 <AshishG> i'll turn of the comp now, gnite :)
37 2010-04-09T01:04:36 <ThomasWaldmann> gn
38 2010-04-09T01:05:30 *** AshishG
39 2010-04-09T01:48:21 *** ValentinJaniaut_
40 2010-04-09T01:48:21 *** ValentinJaniaut
41 2010-04-09T01:48:21 *** ValentinJaniaut_
42 2010-04-09T05:04:59 *** ValentinJaniaut_
43 2010-04-09T05:05:00 *** ValentinJaniaut
44 2010-04-09T05:05:00 *** ValentinJaniaut_
45 2010-04-09T05:56:25 *** diofeher
46 2010-04-09T06:43:58 *** ValentinJaniaut_
47 2010-04-09T06:43:58 *** ValentinJaniaut
48 2010-04-09T06:43:59 *** ValentinJaniaut_
49 2010-04-09T06:58:47 *** _buck
50 2010-04-09T07:33:09 *** ValentinJaniaut_
51 2010-04-09T07:33:09 *** ValentinJaniaut
52 2010-04-09T07:33:10 *** ValentinJaniaut_
53 2010-04-09T07:33:59 *** ValentinJaniaut_
54 2010-04-09T07:33:59 *** ValentinJaniaut
55 2010-04-09T07:34:00 *** ValentinJaniaut_
56 2010-04-09T07:51:50 *** _buck
57 2010-04-09T08:21:53 *** ValentinJaniaut_
58 2010-04-09T08:21:53 *** ValentinJaniaut
59 2010-04-09T08:21:54 *** ValentinJaniaut_
60 2010-04-09T09:10:37 *** ValentinJaniaut_
61 2010-04-09T09:10:37 *** ValentinJaniaut
62 2010-04-09T09:10:38 *** ValentinJaniaut_
63 2010-04-09T09:14:56 *** ValentinJaniaut_
64 2010-04-09T09:14:56 *** ValentinJaniaut
65 2010-04-09T09:14:57 *** ValentinJaniaut_
66 2010-04-09T09:45:20 *** _buck
67 2010-04-09T10:17:50 *** _buck
68 2010-04-09T10:22:16 *** eSyr
69 2010-04-09T10:22:21 <eSyr> moin
70 2010-04-09T10:32:45 *** ei-grad
71 2010-04-09T10:46:04 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
72 2010-04-09T10:51:10 *** AshishG
73 2010-04-09T10:53:45 <eSyr> What core team thinks about using formal grammar parsing tools for grammar convertors in moin2?
74 2010-04-09T10:54:00 <eSyr> I've found several tools which may be suitable for python.
75 2010-04-09T10:54:15 <eSyr> (pyparse looks pretty pythonish, for example)
76 2010-04-09T10:57:11 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: ^^
77 2010-04-09T11:00:35 <eSyr> I see at least one pro: using of such tool can make writing of parsers more consistent.
78 2010-04-09T11:00:57 <eSyr> (and may be less buggy and odd)
79 2010-04-09T11:01:02 <eSyr> (and more maintainable)
80 2010-04-09T11:01:38 <eSyr> (because, for now, for example, we have rather unmaintainable text_moin_wiki parser)
81 2010-04-09T11:03:15 <ThomasWaldmann> eSyr: can it be used in a comfortable way for moin2 converters also?
82 2010-04-09T11:03:45 <ThomasWaldmann> we currently have 9 student applications
83 2010-04-09T11:03:57 <ThomasWaldmann> but, I need to go, bbl
84 2010-04-09T11:04:12 <eSyr> ThomasWaldmann, convertar is a sort of parser, of course :)
85 2010-04-09T11:04:49 <eSyr> (i mean, parser is a thing which processes stream of tokens and produces some output. This output can be wikiDOM tree)
86 2010-04-09T11:05:41 <eSyr> (stream of tokens or plain text is not important, usually most grammars are not C++ and can easily have lexer separated)
87 2010-04-09T11:05:55 <eSyr> (but i do not insist on separating lexer, of course)
88 2010-04-09T11:06:21 *** _buck
89 2010-04-09T11:07:51 <ValentinJaniaut> eSyr: why not use such of tools : http://www.freenet.org.nz/python/pybison/
90 2010-04-09T11:07:56 *** AshishG_
91 2010-04-09T11:08:17 <ValentinJaniaut> eSyr: I use it for a class about programing language, it was quite efficient
92 2010-04-09T11:08:34 <ValentinJaniaut> eSyr: however, it is not working on Windows
93 2010-04-09T11:09:21 *** AshishG
94 2010-04-09T11:09:22 *** AshishG_
95 2010-04-09T11:09:58 <ValentinJaniaut> eSyr: I hear about this tool too : http://www.dabeaz.com/ply/ply.html
96 2010-04-09T11:10:21 <eSyr> ValentinJaniaut, i'm not good at python specific tools. Some time ago i used flex/bison, but it was C.
97 2010-04-09T11:10:32 <ValentinJaniaut> eSyr: the big problem with Lex and Yacc is that it is quite complicate to write the grammar specification
98 2010-04-09T11:10:46 <eSyr> Not so, but they are C-specific.
99 2010-04-09T11:11:09 <eSyr> (and lex is left-recursive, iirc)
100 2010-04-09T11:11:14 <ValentinJaniaut> eSyr: not specially, you can parse any kind of language
101 2010-04-09T11:11:18 <eSyr> err, LL, i mean.
102 2010-04-09T11:12:17 <eSyr> anyway, my proposal is to choose some grammar parsing tool and recommend to use it for comnverters.
103 2010-04-09T11:12:32 <ValentinJaniaut> eSyr: could be a good idea btw
104 2010-04-09T11:12:42 <ValentinJaniaut> eSyr: just can be hard to find the best tool :)
105 2010-04-09T11:14:40 <eSyr> ValentinJaniaut, yes, this is the problem, especially without any practice of using theese tools.
106 2010-04-09T11:14:50 <dreimark> eSyr: students without showing a time table is difficult to evaluate
107 2010-04-09T11:15:06 * dreimark don't want to say impossible
108 2010-04-09T11:15:26 <ValentinJaniaut> eSyr: maybe could you try to see if some tools already exist to parse grammar of other wiki syntax
109 2010-04-09T11:15:28 <eSyr> dreimark, yes, schedule is an important part.
110 2010-04-09T11:15:58 <eSyr> May be i'll make some little research, which tool may be more suitable.
111 2010-04-09T11:16:36 <eSyr> well, i think, only creole has formal description of its grammar.
112 2010-04-09T11:17:09 <AshishG> eSyr: what would you say is the learning curve for these tools?
113 2010-04-09T11:17:10 <eSyr> others only have informal description and, in fact, described by mainstream parsers at places where they're used.
114 2010-04-09T11:17:49 <ValentinJaniaut> AshishG: very depending of the grammar parser you are using
115 2010-04-09T11:18:03 <eSyr> AshishG, i think, this is not so important. In any case there will be some wrapper to make writing especially to DOM/from DOM converters easier.
116 2010-04-09T11:18:40 <ValentinJaniaut> AshishG: write a grammar for Lex/Bison is not so trivial task, however, once it is done, it is very easy to use it
117 2010-04-09T11:18:45 <AshishG> eSyr: can come in hany these ones then
118 2010-04-09T11:22:08 <AshishG> s/hany/handy
119 2010-04-09T11:23:59 <eSyr> AshishG, yes, of course. Theory of formal grammars is not so useless :)
120 2010-04-09T11:24:15 <AshishG> hehe
121 2010-04-09T11:24:18 *** DmitryAndreev
122 2010-04-09T11:24:29 <DmitryAndreev> hello
123 2010-04-09T11:26:40 <dreimark> hi DmitryAndreev
124 2010-04-09T11:27:29 <dreimark> btw. very interesting work field "satellite images parallel processing library"
125 2010-04-09T11:27:45 <dreimark> some of my colleagues are working on that too
126 2010-04-09T11:33:19 <DmitryAndreev> i'm working on parallel aspects, how to efectivly load data on processors in multiprocessors system like IBM BlueGene. This our work sometimes maybe will provide scientist never think about hardware specific of this questions. We make only parallel realization for image processin filter, algorithms not ours. and we are at the begining of this project.
127 2010-04-09T12:03:53 <DmitryAndreev> i've answered some questions in comments in my proposal.
128 2010-04-09T12:11:35 <ei-grad> hello all
129 2010-04-09T12:12:16 <eSyr> ei-grad, moin.
130 2010-04-09T12:14:08 * AshishG is reminded of ThomasWaldmann's warning about the soc app being slow towards end days
131 2010-04-09T12:19:57 <ei-grad> PLY would be a good choice for the parser in python.
132 2010-04-09T12:20:47 * AshishG was under the impression moin hasn't used a parser in the current code base
133 2010-04-09T12:22:03 <TheSheep> in my experience formal grammars are not very good for describing humane markups like the wiki markup
134 2010-04-09T12:22:05 <eSyr> AshishG, we have cool text_moin_wiki parser where you can't add new named groups due to Python's re limitation!
135 2010-04-09T12:22:22 <TheSheep> eSyr: you actually could
136 2010-04-09T12:22:40 <TheSheep> eSyr: take a look at how the creole parser has the groups separated
137 2010-04-09T12:22:45 * dreimark back from lunch
138 2010-04-09T12:23:03 <eSyr> TheSheep, yes, one can split up one re into several.
139 2010-04-09T12:23:04 <ValentinJaniaut> TheSheep: I agree, lexx and yacc are working for human markup, but so well compare to programing language grammar
140 2010-04-09T12:24:20 <TheSheep> eSyr: you can also add new ones
141 2010-04-09T12:25:11 <eSyr> TheSheep, anyway, i think this is not best way parsers could be written.
142 2010-04-09T12:25:41 <dreimark> DmitryAndreev: http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/8/3671/2008/acp-8-3671-2008.pdf we are working in this field
143 2010-04-09T12:25:44 <TheSheep> eSyr: we are open to improvements and suggestions
144 2010-04-09T12:26:25 <TheSheep> eSyr: I did attempt to describe this kind of approach a little in http://wiki.sheep.art.pl/Wiki%20Markup%20Parser%20in%20Python
145 2010-04-09T12:27:55 <eSyr> TheSheep, well, i suggest to use some grammar parsing library. I'll try to write moin_wiki (or its subset) parser using several python grammar parsing libraries and try to choose which suits best for moin2 needs.
146 2010-04-09T12:30:57 <dreimark> DmitryAndreev: please have a look at py.test e.g. http://moinmo.in/MoinDev/UnitTests
147 2010-04-09T12:34:37 <DmitryAndreev> end with my timetable
148 2010-04-09T12:36:29 <DmitryAndreev> sorry, dreimark, i'm not so good in physics, most of my tasks is to solve algorithms problems.
149 2010-04-09T12:39:03 <ei-grad> I am a bit confused with writing a schedule for i18n project.
150 2010-04-09T12:39:04 <DmitryAndreev> i've read about unittests in moin and about other questions in coding style, and also discuss on python seminar. Interesting question was "is it good to change sys.path?"
151 2010-04-09T12:39:10 <ei-grad> There is a several 1.9 and 2.0-* branches in moinmoin repo, what of them should I get as a base for starting i18n refactoring project?
152 2010-04-09T12:39:41 <ei-grad> Is there already exists a working code, implementing a DOM-based rendering? Could you, please, give an example, in what exactly an old i18n module is unusable with DOM?
153 2010-04-09T12:50:09 <dreimark> waldi: ^
154 2010-04-09T12:51:11 <dreimark> DmitryAndreev: it is always good if you know what it does
155 2010-04-09T12:59:50 <waldi> ei-grad: the i18n system can use the wiki parser to generate formated output
156 2010-04-09T13:01:14 *** xjjk
157 2010-04-09T13:01:26 *** xjjk
158 2010-04-09T13:08:42 <ei-grad> why generating of formatted output is part of i18n?
159 2010-04-09T13:09:33 <eSyr> ei-grad, because we should translate some formatted text too.
160 2010-04-09T13:10:08 <eSyr> and provide safe way to parsing localized strings.
161 2010-04-09T13:10:45 <AshishG> is it my net or the soc app is slow?
162 2010-04-09T13:11:57 <eSyr> AshishG, i think, both.
163 2010-04-09T13:12:41 <AshishG> could you tell me if there's a date for the mid-term evaluation? can't get the timeline page to load
164 2010-04-09T13:12:57 <DmitryAndreev> i18n parse wiki format, is the 2.0-moin plan is to i18n works on DOM tree?(convert wiki-strings from .po to DOM format, and searching in it?
165 2010-04-09T13:13:15 <DmitryAndreev> AshishG, 12.07 (deadline 16.07)
166 2010-04-09T13:14:05 <AshishG> DmitryAndreev: thanks
167 2010-04-09T13:46:50 <eSyr> AshishG, UTC+4
168 2010-04-09T13:47:17 <AshishG> eSyr: didn't get you?
169 2010-04-09T13:48:31 <eSyr> AshishG, i've got CTCP TIME from you. I thought you're interested in my timezone.
170 2010-04-09T13:48:49 <AshishG> oh, yes, i check
171 2010-04-09T13:49:01 <AshishG> i am UTC+5.30
172 2010-04-09T13:49:10 <AshishG> do not much of an offset :)
173 2010-04-09T13:53:57 <xorAxAx> eSyr: where are you from?
174 2010-04-09T13:54:00 <xorAxAx> in russia
175 2010-04-09T13:56:17 <eSyr> xorAxAx, from Russia, yes.
176 2010-04-09T13:56:30 <eSyr> Moscow.
177 2010-04-09T13:56:30 <xorAxAx> where in russia?
178 2010-04-09T13:56:33 <xorAxAx> ah, ok
179 2010-04-09T13:56:40 <xorAxAx> didnt know they are already +4
180 2010-04-09T13:56:58 <eSyr> xorAxAx, daylight savings
181 2010-04-09T13:57:01 <xorAxAx> yes
182 2010-04-09T13:57:12 <eSyr> in winter it's +3.
183 2010-04-09T13:57:29 * xorAxAx will have a look at all proposals tomorrow and question the students
184 2010-04-09T13:57:48 <xorAxAx> i avoided looking at all before all students have submitted to get a complete picture of all
185 2010-04-09T14:08:27 <DmitryAndreev> need to go, good luck.
186 2010-04-09T14:08:35 *** DmitryAndreev
187 2010-04-09T14:10:04 <ei-grad> using python formating for strings that come from i18n.getText is bad idea... we should not using python formatting for that strings... is that possible? why it is not done so?
188 2010-04-09T14:23:00 <ei-grad> hm... no, seems that it's right..)
189 2010-04-09T14:23:45 <_buck> Hey mentors, please take a look at my proposal at http://moinmo.in/AshishSharma before I submit it. One thing more to ask, in developer's template what is required in the last heading "Project xxx"
190 2010-04-09T14:27:57 <dreimark> _buck: submit it and alter it afterwards
191 2010-04-09T14:28:07 <_buck> okay..
192 2010-04-09T14:28:34 <_buck> and what does "Project xxx" requires?
193 2010-04-09T14:29:46 * dreimark don't understand
194 2010-04-09T14:29:54 <ValentinJaniaut> _buck: this is the project you apply for
195 2010-04-09T14:30:08 <AshishG> dreimark: if you apply for multiple projects
196 2010-04-09T14:30:15 <AshishG> sorry addressed to _buck
197 2010-04-09T14:30:30 <ValentinJaniaut> _buck: so you should explain what you want to do for MoinMoin
198 2010-04-09T14:30:32 <AshishG> _buck: if you apply for multiple projects then those are the projects headings
199 2010-04-09T14:30:53 <AshishG> s/xxx/ProjectName
200 2010-04-09T14:31:28 <_buck> okay.
201 2010-04-09T14:31:53 <_buck> ValentinJaniaut: want to do for MoinMoin by means of this project..
202 2010-04-09T14:32:01 <_buck> right?
203 2010-04-09T14:32:13 <_buck> or my future plans ? :)
204 2010-04-09T14:32:17 <ValentinJaniaut> _buck: ??? do not understand ...
205 2010-04-09T14:32:39 <ValentinJaniaut> _buck: you have to write your proposal under this heading, that's all
206 2010-04-09T14:32:57 <ValentinJaniaut> _buck: explain what you will do, how you will do it, the schedule and so ...
207 2010-04-09T14:33:47 <_buck> okay got you.
208 2010-04-09T14:34:14 *** ValentinJaniaut
209 2010-04-09T14:34:25 *** ValentinJaniaut
210 2010-04-09T14:40:35 <eSyr> [about parsing of process instruction in included blocks, from #moin] Hm, looks like parser totally ignores processing instruction and all PI parsing is done in send_page. dreimark, looks like you was right, some parsing modification is needed. Ok, i'll try to handle it...
211 2010-04-09T14:45:59 * AshishG will be back after having something to eat
212 2010-04-09T15:08:25 <dreimark> eSyr: if it breaks every exising parser somehow -> moin-2.0
213 2010-04-09T15:08:48 <dreimark> for now also to solve this problem a simple addon parser will solve it too
214 2010-04-09T15:15:51 <eSyr> dreimark, i think, may be pi parsing code may be moved somewhere for using in different places.
215 2010-04-09T15:16:17 <eSyr> (for example, in send_page and in formatter.parser)
216 2010-04-09T15:16:26 <eSyr> looks like this should work.
217 2010-04-09T15:17:07 <eSyr> anyway, i'll try to make FR with patch today's evening, now i have to work.
218 2010-04-09T15:32:42 <_buck> ok submitted it.
219 2010-04-09T15:33:20 <_buck> Would love comments on it.
220 2010-04-09T15:38:40 <AshishG> eSyr: is there something i should add to my application?
221 2010-04-09T15:41:56 * _buck is going for a coffee
222 2010-04-09T15:45:17 <eSyr> AshishG, i'll add several comments to this application, but, anyway, i'm not specialized in Xapian and DB.
223 2010-04-09T15:46:15 <AshishG> comments as in suggestions? we'll have to quick, if i have to make the appropriate changes in time
224 2010-04-09T15:46:45 *** _buck
225 2010-04-09T15:52:48 * AshishG is afk
226 2010-04-09T16:01:53 *** _buck
227 2010-04-09T16:21:57 <eSyr> AshishG, hm, i haven't any big suggestions expect those Reimar said.
228 2010-04-09T16:22:26 <eSyr> (and looks like they are already applied)
229 2010-04-09T16:23:09 <AshishG> i am hoping they are applied the way you guys want it
230 2010-04-09T16:24:05 <eSyr> AshishG, «words are cheap, show me the code» :)
231 2010-04-09T16:25:03 <AshishG> in proposal?
232 2010-04-09T16:25:17 <AshishG> as in pseudo code?
233 2010-04-09T16:25:31 <ThomasWaldmann> re
234 2010-04-09T16:25:34 <eSyr> AshishG, this is quote after Linus Torvalds, from LKML.
235 2010-04-09T16:25:48 <AshishG> oh! :D
236 2010-04-09T16:26:08 * AshishG is going to put that on his GTalk status
237 2010-04-09T16:26:47 <AshishG> eSyr: how's the competition for this project?
238 2010-04-09T16:27:50 <eSyr> AshishG, what do you mean?
239 2010-04-09T16:28:18 <AshishG> i know one other person has applied. are there others?
240 2010-04-09T16:29:25 <eSyr> AshishG, i don't think that i can disclose this information. ThomasWaldmann, can you answer AshishG's question?
241 2010-04-09T16:29:57 <AshishG> hmm... fair enough :)
242 2010-04-09T16:31:16 <ThomasWaldmann> not right now. for mutual information about wanted projects, students may disclose their interest on the ideas page, though.
243 2010-04-09T16:40:43 <AshishG> hmm
244 2010-04-09T16:40:53 * AshishG will get back after dinner
245 2010-04-09T16:52:59 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: we can disclose that tonight, though
246 2010-04-09T16:53:09 <xorAxAx> or is that officially forbidden?
247 2010-04-09T16:53:42 <eSyr> xorAxAx, i don't think so.
248 2010-04-09T17:04:29 * ThomasWaldmann neither
249 2010-04-09T17:05:17 <ThomasWaldmann> (and it doesn't give much anyway if we tell it, because after the deadline you can't propose other projects anyway)
250 2010-04-09T17:16:26 *** DmitryAndreev
251 2010-04-09T17:17:27 *** zenhase
252 2010-04-09T17:24:54 *** _buck
253 2010-04-09T17:30:20 *** DmitryAndreev
254 2010-04-09T17:46:51 *** eSyr
255 2010-04-09T17:48:09 *** _buck
256 2010-04-09T17:54:30 *** _buck
257 2010-04-09T17:56:59 <ThomasWaldmann> ronny: how is the state of partial history for mercurial?
258 2010-04-09T18:34:13 <ei-grad> ThomasWaldmann: could you review my proposal?
259 2010-04-09T18:34:18 <ei-grad> about i18n...
260 2010-04-09T18:34:40 <AshishG> ei-grad: congrats :)
261 2010-04-09T18:35:11 <ei-grad> AshishG: thanks :) and how are your doing?
262 2010-04-09T18:35:58 <AshishG> i did file mine, but m sure there is at least one more applicant :)
263 2010-04-09T18:36:49 * AshishG didn't get much time because of university exams inconveniently scheduled at the wrong time
264 2010-04-09T18:54:05 * AshishG is wondering if he should add something to his application. or just relax and play something.
265 2010-04-09T18:55:26 <TheSheep> more details is always better, shows that you can really do what you are promising
266 2010-04-09T18:57:47 <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, "own ideas" :)
267 2010-04-09T19:01:39 <ThomasWaldmann> ei-grad: btw, it help if you use some nick similar to your realname
268 2010-04-09T19:10:37 <ei-grad> about "own ideas"... Sorry, it's all that I can for now... Despite of I used MoinMoin earlier, I never interested in its internal structure before yesterday. %(
269 2010-04-09T19:15:25 <ei-grad> about nick, I use my nick on freenode for a several years, and if I will use another one for all summer, it will confuse me and other people who knows me...
270 2010-04-09T19:16:27 <dreimark> re
271 2010-04-09T19:16:43 <dreimark> yes ei-grad what is your name used in the proposal?
272 2010-04-09T19:16:51 <ei-grad> Andrew Grigorev
273 2010-04-09T19:20:22 *** diofeher__away
274 2010-04-09T19:20:39 *** diofeher__away
275 2010-04-09T19:22:16 *** ei-grad
276 2010-04-09T19:22:28 *** AndrewGrigorev
277 2010-04-09T19:29:21 <dreimark> ei-grad: I miss a timetable
278 2010-04-09T19:30:05 <dreimark> for the second
279 2010-04-09T19:31:04 <dreimark> and please anwer thomas question
280 2010-04-09T19:31:30 <dreimark> +s
281 2010-04-09T19:31:47 <ei-grad> dreimark: ok, work on it now...
282 2010-04-09T19:32:21 <dreimark> diofeher: do you have seen my comment?
283 2010-04-09T19:32:51 <diofeher> dreimark: hello dreimark! haven't see yet
284 2010-04-09T19:32:54 <diofeher> i will look now
285 2010-04-09T19:33:04 <dreimark> you should have had subscribed
286 2010-04-09T19:33:29 <diofeher> dreimark: me?
287 2010-04-09T19:34:14 <dreimark> to your application
288 2010-04-09T19:34:51 <diofeher> dreimark: where is your comment?
289 2010-04-09T19:35:11 <diofeher> oh , at melange app
290 2010-04-09T19:35:18 <dreimark> yes
291 2010-04-09T19:36:39 <diofeher> but if i adapt only one theme, what i will do with free time?
292 2010-04-09T19:36:43 <diofeher> the plugin system idea?
293 2010-04-09T19:36:51 <dreimark> i just want to know
294 2010-04-09T19:37:22 <dreimark> i guess if one works well e.h. modernized
295 2010-04-09T19:37:41 <dreimark> s/h/
296 2010-04-09T19:37:50 *** amartani
297 2010-04-09T19:37:52 <dreimark> each other may be easier done
298 2010-04-09T19:39:31 <ei-grad> hm... does moin itself support ldap authentication?
299 2010-04-09T19:39:37 <dreimark> yes
300 2010-04-09T19:40:10 <dreimark> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9/file/63016f784d88/wiki/config/more_samples/ldap_wikiconfig_snippet
301 2010-04-09T19:40:42 <diofeher> dreimark: i see, you just want to me to made a base
302 2010-04-09T19:40:50 <dreimark> yes
303 2010-04-09T19:40:57 <diofeher> mm, can be a nice idea
304 2010-04-09T19:41:15 <diofeher> in the left time i can implement plugin system idea...
305 2010-04-09T19:41:30 <dreimark> :)
306 2010-04-09T19:41:47 <diofeher> but we will have to start the discussion about design ASAP, in the wiki
307 2010-04-09T19:42:21 <diofeher> yesterday i'm reading code and documentation about it... i have some ideas, but i think there's no time left to made a good proposal
308 2010-04-09T19:42:43 <diofeher> can I only refactor my timeline?
309 2010-04-09T19:43:39 <dreimark> i don't know how that app behaves for studens.
310 2010-04-09T19:43:43 <dreimark> +t
311 2010-04-09T19:43:50 <dreimark> i get many 500er this time
312 2010-04-09T19:44:38 <diofeher> 500er?
313 2010-04-09T19:44:46 <dreimark> internal server error
314 2010-04-09T19:44:53 <diofeher> oh
315 2010-04-09T19:45:08 <diofeher> i was thinking you were talking about 500 dollars =p
316 2010-04-09T19:45:14 <dreimark> nono
317 2010-04-09T19:46:36 <AshishG> ThomasWaldmann: as per you suggestion i have added my own ideas page. should i expand them to be full fletched GSoC ideas?
318 2010-04-09T19:46:38 <diofeher> the app works well for me
319 2010-04-09T19:46:46 <AshishG> and add them on the melange app?
320 2010-04-09T19:47:06 <dreimark> add as much as you can as readable as possible
321 2010-04-09T19:47:25 <diofeher> i'm finishing a freelance job now, i will be back after 1 hour... goodbye!
322 2010-04-09T19:47:34 <AshishG> ok
323 2010-04-09T19:50:45 <ei-grad> hm... to write an implementation of BaseGroupsBackend, that using LDAP, is enougth to use LDAP groups in moin?
324 2010-04-09T19:54:59 <dreimark> ei-grad: it is too less work for a fulltime application, may be it is only needing the half of the time
325 2010-04-09T19:55:10 <dreimark> considering that you work 8h / day
326 2010-04-09T19:55:53 <ei-grad> yes, i understand... i just think what to get for the second half of application
327 2010-04-09T19:56:32 <AshishG> dreimark: i have proposed two ideas, on my profile, will moin be interested?
328 2010-04-09T19:57:17 <AshishG> the soc app isn't working well here, so i really have to bang my head before getting it to do anything
329 2010-04-09T19:58:51 <dreimark> i see three ideas
330 2010-04-09T20:01:55 <dreimark> ei-grad: may be try to answer the questions from thomas first
331 2010-04-09T20:02:19 * dreimark bbl
332 2010-04-09T20:03:15 <AshishG> dreimark: third would be for anyone who is working with the DOM already. i can hope it me, but who knows
333 2010-04-09T20:03:33 <ei-grad> dreimark: hm... what questions do you mean? about i18n?
334 2010-04-09T20:06:34 <AshishG> s/it/its
335 2010-04-09T20:16:11 <ei-grad> dreimark: ThomasWaldmann: there was an idea somewhere in WikiDOM related pages, to use jinja2 when rendering a template... jinja2 is the one of the best python templating engines, and it provides own interface to gettext... may be I can find something interesting in it, to use it in moin i18n? should I add this to my proposal?
336 2010-04-09T20:19:43 *** AshishG_
337 2010-04-09T20:22:18 *** AshishG
338 2010-04-09T20:22:18 *** AshishG_
339 2010-04-09T20:27:07 <AshishG> the list finally loaded after 23 minutes and i clicked wrong, FML :-/
340 2010-04-09T20:33:58 <ThomasWaldmann> re
341 2010-04-09T20:35:06 <AshishG> i can't get the org list to load :'(
342 2010-04-09T20:35:23 <AshishG> i have a maps idea and a like-dislike button idea
343 2010-04-09T20:35:30 <AshishG> on my profile as of now
344 2010-04-09T20:35:38 <AshishG> want to put in through the soc app
345 2010-04-09T20:35:42 <AshishG> doens't load :'(
346 2010-04-09T20:37:48 <ThomasWaldmann> AshishG: not sure you understood me correctly: i mean "own ideas about how to implement your proposal"
347 2010-04-09T20:37:49 <diofeher> melange doesn't load? omg
348 2010-04-09T20:38:00 <diofeher> i have to modify my proposal yet ;_;
349 2010-04-09T20:38:55 <dreimark> .oO we warned about that this will happen dozen times
350 2010-04-09T20:39:21 <AshishG> ThomasWaldmann: hmm... can i keep editing that on the moin profile and not let it through the soc app?
351 2010-04-09T20:41:05 <AshishG> funny, it loads in safari, but chrome was giving me a headache
352 2010-04-09T20:58:20 <AshishG> 100 seconds
353 2010-04-09T21:00:38 <ei-grad> deadline...
354 2010-04-09T21:00:40 <ei-grad> )
355 2010-04-09T21:00:58 <AshishG> all the best to everyone
356 2010-04-09T21:01:12 <ei-grad> you too
357 2010-04-09T21:01:16 <diofeher> u too man =)
358 2010-04-09T21:01:31 <diofeher> hey
359 2010-04-09T21:01:34 <diofeher> finished now€
360 2010-04-09T21:01:36 <diofeher> ?*
361 2010-04-09T21:03:57 <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.zerodayinitiative.com/advisories/ZDI-10-031/ haha
362 2010-04-09T21:20:57 <ThomasWaldmann> ei-grad: the multilang pages could get rather tricky. not sure if we want that as a current target.
363 2010-04-09T21:22:10 <ThomasWaldmann> (hmm, not sure I understood you correctly: does multi-lang page mean multiple languages on 1 page?)
364 2010-04-09T21:24:21 <ThomasWaldmann> (multiple languages on different pages and good support for that is also still todo and maybe better doable)
365 2010-04-09T21:27:09 <ei-grad> ThomasWaldmann: I asked eSyr about it)... yes, i mean multiple languages on different pages
366 2010-04-09T21:32:08 <ei-grad> the main target i think is to implement a clean i18n base, under which both types of multilang pages, you named, can be implemented... and i hope i could implement multiple languages on different pages this summer
367 2010-04-09T21:34:11 *** _buck
368 2010-04-09T21:50:02 <ThomasWaldmann> call it multilang WIKI not multilang page if you don't mean it
369 2010-04-09T21:50:24 <ThomasWaldmann> i see quite many problems with multilang pages
370 2010-04-09T22:11:13 <AshishG> Hello core developers
371 2010-04-09T22:12:39 <AshishG> hows post gsoc applicaton life?
372 2010-04-09T22:20:10 <AshishG> you guys seem busy, didn't want to disturb, just was excited, will go have some food and play badminton for a while, if i don't return in time: gn
373 2010-04-09T22:20:10 * AshishG is AFK
374 2010-04-09T22:28:01 *** mrht
375 2010-04-09T22:30:02 <ei-grad> ThomasWaldmann: if you, and other developers, help me to understand, we can try to take that problems into account while working on i18n module... and after midterm we will see, can I try to solve this task, or better do something else, like continue other work on i18n subsystem...
376 2010-04-09T22:30:54 *** amartani
377 2010-04-09T22:33:50 <ThomasWaldmann> ei-grad: e.g. if you want to index such a multi language page, you would need to split it somehow into multiple fragments, stem each fragment with the stemmer for the respective language
378 2010-04-09T22:36:39 <ThomasWaldmann> also, it seems a bit like a over-complex feature as long as we don't even have a good method for multi-language wikis
379 2010-04-09T22:36:56 <ThomasWaldmann> (and ml wikis are simpler to handle)
380 2010-04-09T22:40:16 <ei-grad> yeah, better we could try to have a working i18n with a way to implement multi-language wiki before mid-term, right?
381 2010-04-09T22:43:27 *** amartani
382 2010-04-09T22:44:54 <ei-grad> I am ashamed, but I somehow thought that moin supports multilang wiki for several years ... although today, I realized that it is not)
383 2010-04-09T22:45:07 <ThomasWaldmann> ei-grad: did you read the existing ideas about multi-language wikis (wiki farms), extended sister wiki, etc?
384 2010-04-09T22:46:02 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, it is a bit a pity that your other proposal is incomplete/wrong
385 2010-04-09T22:52:06 <ei-grad> I understand that one idea about the LDAP/AD groups is not enough for GSoC project, but I could not choose any idea in addition to it... and I decided to try to finish the proposal about i18n...
386 2010-04-09T22:55:02 <ThomasWaldmann> the problem is that there is no real proposal
387 2010-04-09T22:55:07 *** amartani
388 2010-04-09T22:55:34 <ei-grad> in i18n proposal?
389 2010-04-09T22:56:05 <xorAxAx> "Secondly, I want to point out something I didn't mention in the original email: **Orgs will never get more slots from the slotting algorithm than they have mentors assigned.** So please, while you are reviewing proposals today and Monday, assign all your mentors to at least one proposal to ensure you get the highest possible number of slots."
390 2010-04-09T22:56:58 <ei-grad> oh...
391 2010-04-09T22:59:06 <diofeher> who gonna be my mentor?? =D
392 2010-04-09T22:59:14 <ei-grad> may be I can finish LDAP groups proposal in comments to it?
393 2010-04-09T22:59:24 <diofeher> *bazinga*
394 2010-04-09T23:01:20 <ThomasWaldmann> ei-grad: well, not sure, but it might be worth trying
395 2010-04-09T23:01:33 <ThomasWaldmann> just add one comment with a good proposal
396 2010-04-09T23:05:10 <ei-grad> what about "Misc. part-time Projects" in addition to LDAP groups?
397 2010-04-09T23:05:30 <xorAxAx> diofeher: cant you mentor yourself? :)
398 2010-04-09T23:18:19 *** amartani
399 2010-04-09T23:22:26 <ThomasWaldmann> ei-grad: btw, do you have some practical ldap experience?
400 2010-04-09T23:25:34 <ei-grad> yes)
401 2010-04-09T23:26:12 <ei-grad> on gsoc 2009 i work on extending ldap gui for samba)
402 2010-04-09T23:29:43 <ei-grad> btw i administrate ldap server in my university, and have some exp with AD too
403 2010-04-09T23:32:45 <ThomasWaldmann> ah, cool :)
404 2010-04-09T23:32:57 <ThomasWaldmann> see my recent comment
405 2010-04-09T23:38:22 <ei-grad> ok) i will dig into moin ldap-related stuff tomorrow, its 3:35am now... thank you) bye!
406 2010-04-09T23:46:23 <ThomasWaldmann> gn ei-grad
