MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2010-04-07

   1 2010-04-07T00:00:19  <dreimark> and i recognized that if the xhtml is tidied it works very good
   2 2010-04-07T00:00:52  <ronny> i suppose it needs the dom branch?
   3 2010-04-07T00:01:09  <dreimark> not now
   4 2010-04-07T00:01:25  <dreimark> i use moin-1.9
   5 2010-04-07T00:01:30  <ronny> i see
   6 2010-04-07T00:01:42  <ronny> dreimark: its prety straightforward
   7 2010-04-07T00:01:55  <dreimark> https://coconuts.icg.kfa-juelich.de/hg/coconuts-0.2/file/17d1a925e433/Coconuts/convertor/__init__.py
   8 2010-04-07T00:01:56  <ronny> grab the fragments you need, feed it to moin
   9 2010-04-07T00:02:00  <dreimark> yes
  10 2010-04-07T00:02:24  <dreimark> and you can create a very simple request object for moins convertor
  11 2010-04-07T00:02:57  <dreimark> so with the dom tree you can feed moin from different sources by this too
  12 2010-04-07T00:03:16  <ronny> i suppose it might be more simple using the dom branch + 2.0 storage but one gotta use released software for short term things
  13 2010-04-07T00:04:05  <dreimark> yes, after one has done the convertor html dom -> wiki markup
  14 2010-04-07T00:04:42  <valeuf> dreimark: your code was for moin 1.x ?
  15 2010-04-07T00:04:56  <dreimark> it will integrate and we may be can use it for any kind of rendered markup
  16 2010-04-07T00:05:02  <dreimark> valeuf: yes
  17 2010-04-07T00:06:26  <ronny> ok, i'll go back to figuring a converter for the pypy repo
  18 2010-04-07T00:06:45  <ronny> (they will go to hg if anyone manages to convert the history)
  19 2010-04-07T00:06:59  <ronny> and guessing the merges is rather tricky
  20 2010-04-07T00:07:00  <valeuf> dreimark: any reason to do not use the HTML.Parser from the standard python library ?
  21 2010-04-07T00:07:31  <dreimark> you mean instead of my regexes?
  22 2010-04-07T00:07:36  <valeuf> dreimark: yep
  23 2010-04-07T00:07:52  <dreimark> i don't want the whole source of the page converted
  24 2010-04-07T00:07:57  <dreimark> only the main part
  25 2010-04-07T00:08:13  <valeuf> dreimark: well, you can do this with the HTML.Parser normally
  26 2010-04-07T00:08:37  <dreimark> http://www.fz-juelich.de/icg/icg-1/index.php?index=3
  27 2010-04-07T00:09:29  <valeuf> dreimark: is it to convert this website to Moin_wiki ?
  28 2010-04-07T00:11:31  <dreimark> yes, but only the part which is enclosed by the regex
  29 2010-04-07T00:11:35  <dreimark> of https://coconuts.icg.kfa-juelich.de/hg/coconuts-0.2/file/17d1a925e433/Coconuts/config/__init__.py#l54
  30 2010-04-07T00:11:57  <valeuf> dreimark: I see
  31 2010-04-07T00:11:58  <dreimark> and not only this website all of them and in a batch process
  32 2010-04-07T00:12:03  <valeuf> interesting
  33 2010-04-07T00:12:35  <dreimark> it is extremly simple by a regex
  34 2010-04-07T00:13:02  <dreimark> one of the tools i first wrote was to get a snapshot of the current layout
  35 2010-04-07T00:13:32  <dreimark> because for reviewing it is much easier to look at an image of the page
  36 2010-04-07T00:13:58  <dreimark> by that i recogn. that i may be able to use fragments for the convertor
  37 2010-04-07T00:14:13  <dreimark> and it worked without much effort
  38 2010-04-07T00:14:22  <valeuf> dreimark: no but it is a good approach, I did not know all :) so I was quite surprised, but I like the idea
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  40 2010-04-07T00:26:05  <ThomasWaldmann> _buck: yes, there is a tiny bit in fs2 backend
  41 2010-04-07T00:26:14  <ThomasWaldmann> not really much, though
  42 2010-04-07T00:26:32  <_buck> ok can u guide me to the source code for that.
  43 2010-04-07T00:28:01  <ThomasWaldmann> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0-storage/file/3fd14d19fe0f/MoinMoin/storage/backends/fs2.py#l59
  44 2010-04-07T00:28:36  <ThomasWaldmann> _buck: ^^
  45 2010-04-07T00:28:52  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, is Ashish a common name in india?
  46 2010-04-07T00:29:15  <_buck> okay got it.
  47 2010-04-07T00:29:16  <_buck> ya very common
  48 2010-04-07T00:29:36  <_buck> I've another ashish in my batch.
  49 2010-04-07T00:30:19  <ThomasWaldmann> we have also another here, AshishG :)
  50 2010-04-07T00:30:38  <_buck> yaa I see.
  51 2010-04-07T00:30:38  <AshishG> yeah hi
  52 2010-04-07T00:32:09  <ThomasWaldmann> _buck: as you can see there it is just itemid and the corresponding item name
  53 2010-04-07T00:32:21  <_buck> yes
  54 2010-04-07T00:32:53  <ThomasWaldmann> name is metadata of anonymous item
  55 2010-04-07T00:33:16  <ThomasWaldmann> mimetype, ... is also metadata
  56 2010-04-07T00:34:09  <ThomasWaldmann> problem: we want to support arbitrary key/value as metadata
  57 2010-04-07T00:34:27  <_buck> arbitrary...
  58 2010-04-07T00:37:50  <_buck> I think I need to look at the whole file to get the feel, thanks/
  59 2010-04-07T00:38:23  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, fs2 is a quite new thing, the other backends are somewhat older and other approach
  60 2010-04-07T00:38:46  <ThomasWaldmann> the backend api is based on item names
  61 2010-04-07T00:39:11  <ThomasWaldmann> but fs2 identifies item by some uuid internally, the name is just indexed metadata
  62 2010-04-07T00:39:18  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: that would be great to have such of metadata system
  63 2010-04-07T00:39:25  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: so we can use it to tune some parameters for the DocBook export for example ^ ^
  64 2010-04-07T00:39:51  <ThomasWaldmann> separate metadata in general is nice to have
  65 2010-04-07T00:40:49  <ThomasWaldmann> esp. if it is not limited to a small set of moin stuff, but extendable
  66 2010-04-07T00:41:31  <ThomasWaldmann> but that also leads to problems, just throwing all into some sql table columns won't work
  67 2010-04-07T00:42:22  <valeuf> why not use some YAML-like syntax to store it ?
  68 2010-04-07T00:42:28  <dreimark> btw. is sqla able to write data parallel or must it be serialized?
  69 2010-04-07T00:43:02  <_buck> So can I get information on what all constitutes metadata in moinmoin somewhere in documentation ?
  70 2010-04-07T00:44:08  <ThomasWaldmann> _buck: there isn't that much docs
  71 2010-04-07T00:46:24  <ThomasWaldmann> _buck: http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0-storage/file/3fd14d19fe0f/MoinMoin/items/__init__.py#l34
  72 2010-04-07T00:46:30  <ThomasWaldmann> that's some of it
  73 2010-04-07T00:47:06  <ThomasWaldmann> 34..50
  74 2010-04-07T00:47:18  <dreimark> or look into the tests http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0-storage/file/3fd14d19fe0f/MoinMoin/items/_tests/test_Item.py
  75 2010-04-07T00:47:28  <ThomasWaldmann> valeuf: storage is already done, it is just about indexing
  76 2010-04-07T00:48:12  <_buck> ok.
  77 2010-04-07T00:48:19  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: sqla has the usual sql data types and iirc it can also pickle stuff
  78 2010-04-07T00:49:46  <ThomasWaldmann> _buck: btw, aside from "page items" we also have "user items"
  79 2010-04-07T00:50:18  <ThomasWaldmann> s/aside/besides/
  80 2010-04-07T00:50:55  <_buck> :), ACL, SIZE, MIMETYPE are page items, I guess  and then what are user items.
  81 2010-04-07T00:51:16  <ThomasWaldmann> user profiles
  82 2010-04-07T00:52:10  <_buck> Ok
  83 2010-04-07T00:52:13  <dreimark> the data which makes a user (name, password, email ... quicklinks)
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  85 2010-04-07T00:58:37  <maple1249> Hello!
  86 2010-04-07T00:58:45  <ThomasWaldmann> moin :)
  87 2010-04-07T00:59:24  <maple1249> Yes! :) I'm on the correct channel.
  88 2010-04-07T00:59:47  <dreimark> yes see topic
  89 2010-04-07T01:01:01  * AshishG tried installing Moinmoin on his webhost but Fantastico does not have a one-click install. :(
  90 2010-04-07T01:02:09  <ThomasWaldmann> _buck, maple1249, valeuf, ashishg: btw, to have less confusion, we prefer realnames on the wiki (and on irc, if possible) :)
  91 2010-04-07T01:02:37  <maple1249> One moment, please. I will have to logout then jump back on.
  92 2010-04-07T01:02:39  <ThomasWaldmann> AshishG: ./wikiserver.py
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  94 2010-04-07T01:02:49  <ThomasWaldmann> on your local machine
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  96 2010-04-07T01:03:00  <ConnorMontgomery> Thomas, there we go. I used to be maple1249
  97 2010-04-07T01:03:12  <_buck> real names okay, I think I'll have to sign up again on moinmoin wiki.
  98 2010-04-07T01:03:35  <AshishG> AshishGandhi is my real name, i hope AshishG is fair enough?
  99 2010-04-07T01:03:44  <dreimark> ok, for me
 100 2010-04-07T01:03:49  <ThomasWaldmann> it is just easier :) and there's not much to hide if you do good stuff for free software :)
 101 2010-04-07T01:04:01  <dreimark> [1:-1] is my first name
 102 2010-04-07T01:04:13  <ThomasWaldmann> AshishG: ok
 103 2010-04-07T01:05:02  <ThomasWaldmann> ConnorMontgomery: if you have questions, shoot :)
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 105 2010-04-07T01:05:43  <ThomasWaldmann> (except if you're in a helicopter right now)
 106 2010-04-07T01:05:53  <ConnorMontgomery> Surely. In general, just in your experience, do you recommend anywhere to start looking up how to work with a Python templating engine? And any one in particular?
 107 2010-04-07T01:05:54  <ConnorMontgomery> Ha.
 108 2010-04-07T01:06:38  <ThomasWaldmann> well, obviously you'll have to read the jinja2 docs
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 110 2010-04-07T01:07:13  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe looking into zine could be also give some insights
 111 2010-04-07T01:07:28  <ThomasWaldmann> or some other app / framework that uses j2
 112 2010-04-07T01:08:28  <ConnorMontgomery> I figured :)  I was just wondering if you knew of any interactive video screencast/tutorials or something along those lines? I tend to pick the most up from them
 113 2010-04-07T01:08:32  * AshishG is downloading MoinMoin to run locally
 114 2010-04-07T01:09:01  <ThomasWaldmann> AshishG: don't you have the repo checkout already?
 115 2010-04-07T01:09:25  <ThomasWaldmann> ConnorMontgomery: google it :)
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 117 2010-04-07T01:10:05  <AshishG> i only have moin-2.0-storage-dom-bblank donwloaded
 118 2010-04-07T01:10:27  <AshishG> MS --> Crashed, Hackint0sh --> right now
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 120 2010-04-07T01:17:21  <ThomasWaldmann> AshishSharma: if you want acl protected homepage for now (nonpublic), just tell
 121 2010-04-07T01:19:59  <AshishSharma> new to irc ,, :|
 122 2010-04-07T01:22:33  <ThomasWaldmann> irc is cool, potentially permanent global connection to other geeks :D
 123 2010-04-07T01:23:44  <AshishSharma> ya irc is just like a window to the world in your screen.
 124 2010-04-07T01:25:49  <dreimark> screen is also a nice program
 125 2010-04-07T01:25:57  <dreimark> screen and irssi is a good team
 126 2010-04-07T01:26:17  <ThomasWaldmann> almost like borg collective :D
 127 2010-04-07T01:27:18  <AshishG> "potential permanent connection to geeks" :-~~
 128 2010-04-07T01:28:43  <ThomasWaldmann> and it's so cheap. some kids in germany pay 0.10 eur to send 100 bytes.
 129 2010-04-07T01:29:32  <ThomasWaldmann> (or rather: their parents)
 130 2010-04-07T01:29:39  <AshishG> hehe
 131 2010-04-07T01:29:43  <dreimark> and not only in germany
 132 2010-04-07T01:30:08  <ThomasWaldmann> Ashish*: how much is 1 sms in india?
 133 2010-04-07T01:30:11  <AshishG> internet is cheap in the first world, if you look at us guys
 134 2010-04-07T01:30:40  <AshishG> SMS in India you get 15k of them for Rs. 67
 135 2010-04-07T01:30:57  <AshishG> Rs.67 is around 1.1 pound sterling
 136 2010-04-07T01:31:12  <AshishG> use them within a month or you lose them
 137 2010-04-07T01:31:56  <AshishG> (about a month ago it was Re.1 or Rs.0.5 for a single one)
 138 2010-04-07T01:32:27  <AshishG> and some news on my part
 139 2010-04-07T01:32:29  <AshishG> i think i would like to work on reST, HTML, pygments -> DOM -> reST, wiki
 140 2010-04-07T01:33:17  <dreimark> AshishG: i get no access to http://bitbucket.org/ashishg/chunky/
 141 2010-04-07T01:33:30  <AshishG> it'll be interesting to see if reST_on_LHS == reST_on_RHS
 142 2010-04-07T01:33:38  <ThomasWaldmann> AshishG: so you pay around 1 EUR for 15 thousand sms?
 143 2010-04-07T01:33:58  <AshishSharma> and 0.50 INR = 0.00840373 EUR
 144 2010-04-07T01:34:13  <AshishG> yep
 145 2010-04-07T01:34:22  <AshishG> free market there at least :P
 146 2010-04-07T01:34:38  <AshishG> dreimark: what about your username be
 147 2010-04-07T01:34:41  <AshishG> i'll add access
 148 2010-04-07T01:34:48  * ThomasWaldmann needs to tell that some kids here, so they get a feeling how much they get ripped off
 149 2010-04-07T01:35:35  <dreimark> AshishG: was not aware that i need a username
 150 2010-04-07T01:36:19  <AshishG> i didn't think of making it public until i have a GUI for it
 151 2010-04-07T01:36:24  <AshishG> but i'll do it now
 152 2010-04-07T01:36:54  <dreimark> a gui needs a human being
 153 2010-04-07T01:36:59  <AshishG> now?
 154 2010-04-07T01:37:10  <dreimark> me likes to get computers doing my work
 155 2010-04-07T01:37:18  <AshishG> hehe
 156 2010-04-07T01:37:22  <dreimark> ok works now
 157 2010-04-07T01:38:03  <AshishG> dreimark: now i have decided an area, i'll know what code to read :P
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 163 2010-04-07T01:48:53  <AshishG> factory in the comments would mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factory_method_pattern?
 164 2010-04-07T01:49:28  <ThomasWaldmann> likely
 165 2010-04-07T01:49:34  <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.flickr.com/photos/clutterbells/4495993800/sizes/o/
 166 2010-04-07T01:54:00  <dreimark> http://xkcd.com/722/
 167 2010-04-07T01:55:29  * ThomasWaldmann spent half of his life changing small magnetic fields :)
 168 2010-04-07T01:57:22  * dreimark needs sleep
 169 2010-04-07T01:57:23  <dreimark> gn
 170 2010-04-07T01:58:24  <AshishG> nite
 171 2010-04-07T01:58:30  <AshishG> same here
 172 2010-04-07T01:58:38  <AshishG> 5.30 in the morning, nite :)
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 182 2010-04-07T09:28:37  <dreimark> moin
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 184 2010-04-07T09:55:06  <ValentinJaniaut> dreimark: hi, you almost do not sleep ?!
 185 2010-04-07T09:55:36  <dreimark> ValentinJaniaut: no, my client doesn't
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 191 2010-04-07T12:13:59  <AshishG> mornin' everyone :)
 192 2010-04-07T12:29:00  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
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 214 2010-04-07T19:31:32  <AshishSharma> Hello mentors,
 215 2010-04-07T19:36:45  <dreimark> hi AshishSharma
 216 2010-04-07T19:37:22  <AshishSharma> I have created a public document at http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddsnx9m3_3fg4m38ch . Please have a look at my doubts.
 217 2010-04-07T19:44:14  <dreimark> AshishSharma: the request object is build in MoinMoin.web.contexts
 218 2010-04-07T19:44:28  <AshishSharma> okay
 219 2010-04-07T19:46:14  <dreimark> i am not sure about the state of xapian in 2.0 i think it isn't working yet but i can be wrong. in 1.9 it is implemented and uses the xappy lib. the code is at MoinMoin.search located
 220 2010-04-07T19:47:36  <AshishSharma> ok
 221 2010-04-07T19:50:50  <dreimark> if you for example upload an image to moin-2.0-storage
 222 2010-04-07T19:51:07  <dreimark> you see some metadate we currently have defined for the item
 223 2010-04-07T19:51:54  <dreimark> it may be possible to add others for describing the image possible
 224 2010-04-07T19:52:07  <dreimark> one wants to search by these meta data too
 225 2010-04-07T19:52:31  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: will be back later and could answer it more detailed
 226 2010-04-07T19:53:09  <AshishSharma> okay I'll ask him this.
 227 2010-04-07T19:53:45  <AshishSharma> Meanwhile, One more thing to ask. Do u have fixed the bug responsible for UnknownTimeZoneError for Asia/Kolkata in moinmoin (one used by ubuntu).
 228 2010-04-07T19:54:19  <AshishSharma> When one with Asia/Kolkata goes for an openid verification.
 229 2010-04-07T19:54:33  * dreimark is currently doing an upgrade of a server
 230 2010-04-07T19:54:55  <dreimark> AshishSharma: yes in a newer version than the one they use there
 231 2010-04-07T19:55:02  <dreimark> they use an outdated 1.6
 232 2010-04-07T19:55:28  <AshishSharma> okay.
 233 2010-04-07T21:02:35  <dreimark> hm me may be should kill old cache dirs by the mig script
 234 2010-04-07T21:11:03  <AshishG> can someone shed a bit more light on the difference in mediawiki and wiki
 235 2010-04-07T21:13:20  <AshishG> moinwiki == (?) mediawiki?
 236 2010-04-07T21:14:16  <mivert__> !=
 237 2010-04-07T21:15:00  <dreimark> !=
 238 2010-04-07T21:15:11  <dreimark> python != php
 239 2010-04-07T21:15:34  <AshishG> ohhh
 240 2010-04-07T21:15:35  <AshishG> ok
 241 2010-04-07T21:15:48  <AshishG> so mediawiki markup support is what you guys want :)
 242 2010-04-07T21:21:04  * AshishG was not thinking in terms of other wiki engines
 243 2010-04-07T21:37:59  <dreimark> AshishG: we want to be able to read mediawiki markup and because we can read it we want to be able to convert it too
 244 2010-04-07T21:38:27  <AshishG> yep, that was clear when you said python != php
 245 2010-04-07T21:38:41  <AshishG> i wasn't thinking mediawiki to be MediaWiki the Wikipedia wiki
 246 2010-04-07T21:38:50  <AshishG> i was confused as to what it meant
 247 2010-04-07T21:38:59  <AshishG> but thanks :)
 248 2010-04-07T22:15:14  <ronny> sup
 249 2010-04-07T22:19:00  <dreimark> bbl
 250 2010-04-07T22:19:20  <AshishG> ronny! :)
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 252 2010-04-07T22:22:48  <AshishSharma> ThomasWaldmann: thr? need some clarifications.
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 256 2010-04-07T22:34:56  <AshishG> can someone help me out with http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0-storage-dom-bblank/file/47701249f1da/MoinMoin/converter2/moinwiki_in.py#l116
 257 2010-04-07T22:35:44  <waldi> depends
 258 2010-04-07T22:36:24  <AshishG> i don't need a line by line explanation (i think) but what is happening there?
 259 2010-04-07T22:36:27  <waldi> man python-syntax
 260 2010-04-07T22:38:41  <AshishG> ??
 261 2010-04-07T22:40:14  <AshishG> waldi: ?: is shorthand popular across languages, i know, but anyway
 262 2010-04-07T22:42:22  <ronny> hmm
 263 2010-04-07T22:42:38  <ronny> the push back iter really should use a deque
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 266 2010-04-07T23:03:57  <AshishSharma> dreimark, MoinMoin/storage/backends/sqla.py Is it the only file of sqla schema of moinmoin ?
 267 2010-04-07T23:08:49  <dreimark> and that is the snippet http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/2.0-storage/rev/5f544946d28b
 268 2010-04-07T23:08:59  <dreimark> for configuring it
 269 2010-04-07T23:09:10  <dreimark> AshishSharma:
 270 2010-04-07T23:10:47  <AshishSharma> thanks, and one more thing when can I get clarifications on meta data? I mean I need that to further develop my ideas for the proposal :|
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 273 2010-04-07T23:15:37  <dreimark> AshishSharma: may be you wrote as much as you have on http://moinmo.in/AshishSharma
 274 2010-04-07T23:16:12  <dreimark> and also the questions. I assume that when thomas is back he will read the page and add comments
 275 2010-04-07T23:16:28  <dreimark> you could subscribe the page so you get informed on updates
 276 2010-04-07T23:17:08  <dreimark> you could use the ApplicationDeveloperTemplate
 277 2010-04-07T23:17:15  <AshishSharma> thanks, that will be great.
 278 2010-04-07T23:17:33  <AshishSharma> Ya I am using that template to create my wiki homepage on moinmo.in
 279 2010-04-07T23:32:19  <ThomasWaldmann> re
 280 2010-04-07T23:36:07  <ValentinJaniaut> moin
 281 2010-04-07T23:42:24  <AshishSharma> ThomasWaldmann: hello.