1 2010-04-04T00:01:14  <ThomasWaldmann> the question then also will be whether the double click editing should be enabled by default
   2 2010-04-04T00:01:24  <ThomasWaldmann> otherwise anon users won't get it
   3 2010-04-04T00:08:37  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, doesn't work currently
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   6 2010-04-04T00:39:46  <dreimark> i haven't tried that patch yet.
   7 2010-04-04T00:40:31  <ThomasWaldmann> last time i tried, it worked, but that was at the demo site
   8 2010-04-04T00:40:57  <dreimark> i think we should not change the double click behaviour
   9 2010-04-04T00:41:22  <dreimark> anon users should setup an account
  10 2010-04-04T00:41:36  <ThomasWaldmann> then it will require some non-trivial configuration if you want to enable for anon
  11 2010-04-04T00:42:29  <dreimark> there are other reasons already why you want users to create an account
  12 2010-04-04T00:42:43  <ThomasWaldmann> sure, but some won't
  13 2010-04-04T00:43:21  <dreimark> well then they have a reason more do think about why they didn't before
  14 2010-04-04T00:50:45  <dreimark> currently me has disabled the doubleclick feature. I have had it enabled in the past but sometimes i was annoyed by editing a page which i wanted to read only
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  16 2010-04-04T00:53:01  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, if it is just to start editing, it is not enough advantage
  17 2010-04-04T00:53:32  <ThomasWaldmann> but having it position correctly is nice and might be worth to care about dblclicking
  18 2010-04-04T00:59:40  <dreimark> if it does start the text editor people will be annoyed if they want to have the gui editor
  19 2010-04-04T01:00:04  <dreimark> may be i think different about it when i have tried it
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  21 2010-04-04T01:00:25  <dreimark> currently i am not sure how it works with tables and twd or awd using links
  22 2010-04-04T01:04:01  <dreimark> some windows user (me has also some) currently do a db click on a link
  23 2010-04-04T01:04:27  <dreimark> or any other navigation.
  24 2010-04-04T01:13:57  <dreimark> gn
  25 2010-04-04T01:14:56  <RogerHaase> dreimark: I do not use twdraw or awdraw, so I did not test double-click with either.
  26 2010-04-04T01:22:09  <ThomasWaldmann> hi RogerHaase
  27 2010-04-04T01:22:49  <ThomasWaldmann> RogerHaase: it doesn't position the cursor into a simple wiki page in text editor
  28 2010-04-04T01:23:01  <ThomasWaldmann> (no table, no twd, no gui)
  29 2010-04-04T01:29:22  <RogerHaase> Does the text area scroll?  No javascript errors?
  30 2010-04-04T01:31:48  <RogerHaase> You installed from the 4/1 autoscroll.diff?
  31 2010-04-04T01:35:37  <ThomasWaldmann> no scroll
  32 2010-04-04T01:35:51  <ThomasWaldmann> if i try to begin typing, nothing happens
  33 2010-04-04T01:36:11  <ThomasWaldmann> there is only one diff on that page, I applied that to current 1.9
  34 2010-04-04T01:36:58  <ThomasWaldmann> i did it as anon user btw, after enabling dblclick editing in userpref defaults
  35 2010-04-04T01:39:32  <RogerHaase> Is there public access or are you on a private wiki?
  36 2010-04-04T01:39:56  <ThomasWaldmann> that's localhost :)
  37 2010-04-04T01:40:17  <ThomasWaldmann> just wanted to give it a final test before committing
  38 2010-04-04T01:40:42  <ThomasWaldmann> want my current diff?
  39 2010-04-04T01:41:03  <ThomasWaldmann> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/197358/
  40 2010-04-04T01:41:25  <ThomasWaldmann> == same as on the wiki page + anon dblclicking
  41 2010-04-04T01:44:33  <RogerHaase> The symptoms sound like you have the old double-click action.  Your diff looks OK (given a quick once-over).
  42 2010-04-04T01:45:26  <RogerHaase> Could you do a quick view source and verify there is no dblclick on the body tag?
  43 2010-04-04T01:45:38  <ThomasWaldmann> sure
  44 2010-04-04T01:47:38  <ThomasWaldmann> <body  lang="de" dir="ltr">
  45 2010-04-04T01:50:18  <ThomasWaldmann> problem is that cursor is not even in the editor
  46 2010-04-04T01:50:33  <ThomasWaldmann> i repeated test with a shorter page
  47 2010-04-04T01:51:44  <RogerHaase> This is same Firefox 3.5.8 that you tested on my site?
  48 2010-04-04T01:51:49  <ThomasWaldmann> yes
  49 2010-04-04T01:52:24  <ThomasWaldmann> do you have the same code on your site?
  50 2010-04-04T01:53:57  <RogerHaase> Yes, same code for double-click.  I have a couple of other mods -- checking.
  51 2010-04-04T01:59:19  <RogerHaase> One mod is to dump.py and the other to prefs.py.  Both look innocent.
  52 2010-04-04T02:01:35  <ThomasWaldmann> if you do a hg clone of moin/1.9, apply patch (pastebin) and start wikiserver.p,you should be able to reproduce
  53 2010-04-04T02:02:44  <RogerHaase> OK, let me try that to see if I can reproduce.
  54 2010-04-04T02:02:53  <RogerHaase> Will take a while.
  55 2010-04-04T02:11:08  <ThomasWaldmann> GET /foo?action=edit&line=3 < request looks correct
  56 2010-04-04T02:18:12  <RogerHaase> Have updated repository to tip. Do you know the command to apply the patch on windows - I am an HG lightweight!
  57 2010-04-04T02:21:28  <ThomasWaldmann> cd workdir
  58 2010-04-04T02:21:41  <ThomasWaldmann> patch -p1 < patch
  59 2010-04-04T02:32:05  <RogerHaase> I only have hg tools, trying hg import --no-commit patch /... but I get cannot find file.  still trying.
  60 2010-04-04T02:33:53  <ThomasWaldmann> shall i create an export for you to import?
  61 2010-04-04T02:39:57  <RogerHaase> No, I got it from pocoo.  Seems like this hg import patch... wants something after patch besides the filename.
  62 2010-04-04T02:40:18  <RogerHaase> It does not like the pocoo url either.
  63 2010-04-04T02:40:59  <ThomasWaldmann> first get the file from the raw link
  64 2010-04-04T02:41:20  <RogerHaase> did that.
  65 2010-04-04T02:45:34  <RogerHaase> Progress, it likes hg import --no-commit /filename but rejected everything.
  66 2010-04-04T03:00:21  <RogerHaase> Problem was DOS line endings.  Have changes applied using pocoo raw.
  67 2010-04-04T03:00:48  <ThomasWaldmann> ah
  68 2010-04-04T03:04:13  <RogerHaase> How to start the built in server?
  69 2010-04-04T03:04:39  <ThomasWaldmann> just start wikiserver.py from that directory
  70 2010-04-04T03:10:14  <RogerHaase> Server started, but now have configuration error, underlay does not exist or permission error.
  71 2010-04-04T03:23:10  <RogerHaase> I have the same problem.  Double-click gets into edit mode with no cursor.
  72 2010-04-04T03:24:13  <ThomasWaldmann> cd wiki
  73 2010-04-04T03:24:25  <ThomasWaldmann> tar xf underlay.tar
  74 2010-04-04T03:24:43  <ThomasWaldmann> or copy it from last release
  75 2010-04-04T03:26:20  <RogerHaase> I had already copied it and have reproduced the problem. Now to figure out what the problem is...
  76 2010-04-04T03:35:53  <ThomasWaldmann> anyway, needsleep, gn
  77 2010-04-04T03:37:47  <RogerHaase> gn
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  86 2010-04-04T12:21:29  * dreimark thinks that double click edit feature needs further enhancements
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  88 2010-04-04T12:25:34  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: anything serious?
  89 2010-04-04T12:25:58  <dreimark> it is limited to wiki markup
  90 2010-04-04T12:26:37  <dreimark> if you have a format statement it just didn't open the editor
  91 2010-04-04T12:27:12  <dreimark> also i would wish to see a box what i have selected as shown by the webdeveloper
  92 2010-04-04T12:27:41  <dreimark> a similiar feature i have seen at a cms system. there it changes the background color of the selected area
  93 2010-04-04T12:29:20  <ThomasWaldmann> it has nothing to do with wiki markup
  94 2010-04-04T12:30:00  <ThomasWaldmann> but i think it needs line-anchors
  95 2010-04-04T12:30:17  <dreimark> i tried with #format html
  96 2010-04-04T12:30:21  <dreimark> and it didn't work
  97 2010-04-04T12:30:27  <dreimark> also it didn't for arnica
  98 2010-04-04T12:32:11  <ThomasWaldmann> try #format python
  99 2010-04-04T12:33:04  <dreimark> that works also the highlight parser
 100 2010-04-04T12:35:02  <dreimark> bbl
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 103 2010-04-04T13:33:05  <CIA-55> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5646:e45e3ae9e540 1.9/MoinMoin/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
 104 2010-04-04T13:33:05  <CIA-55> scrolling the text editor to the double clicked line
 105 2010-04-04T13:33:05  <CIA-55> If you have edit_on_doubleclick enabled (either by configuration default or
 106 2010-04-04T13:33:05  <CIA-55> by user preferences), double clicking into the wiki page text will enter edit
 107 2010-04-04T13:33:05  <CIA-55> mode and (for the text editor) position the cursor near the place where you
 108 2010-04-04T13:33:06  <CIA-55> clicked (for some browsers it will be the correct line, for others it will be
 109 2010-04-04T13:33:07  <CIA-55> just near).
 110 2010-04-04T13:33:07  <CIA-55> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5647:7248a38409bd 1.9/MoinMoin/config/multiconfig.py: enable double-click-editing by default for easier testing
 111 2010-04-04T13:33:25  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: ^^
 112 2010-04-04T14:24:46  <TheSheep> yay
 113 2010-04-04T14:25:10  <TheSheep> great work guys
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 126 2010-04-04T16:46:14  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: we should change the version string to something else than 1.9.2
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 128 2010-04-04T16:51:50  <RogerHaase> dreimark: The red box in the Where to Double-Click section is the Firefox Web Developer add-on.
 129 2010-04-04T16:52:37  <dreimark> RogerHaase: i know i asked on #moin for a similiar feature
 130 2010-04-04T16:52:38  <RogerHaase> If you have it, ctl-shift-y turns it on/off.
 131 2010-04-04T16:53:07  <dreimark> i want it on mouse over to show the region what i can select by db click for editing
 132 2010-04-04T16:58:40  <RogerHaase> I do not understand how all the line-nnn gets generated out of sequence and sometimes duplicate numbers.
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 134 2010-04-04T16:59:30  <dreimark> duplicate numbers is a bug, example?
 135 2010-04-04T17:00:19  <RogerHaase> But if you dblclick anywhere on your table, line-617 is chosen.  This is from the span tag in front of the second Titel: in your table.
 136 2010-04-04T17:01:21  <RogerHaase> Maybe Radomir can explain how that line is chosen.
 137 2010-04-04T17:01:51  <valeuf> moin
 138 2010-04-04T17:04:54  <RogerHaase> My mistake, the dups I was seeing are classes for <p> tags. No IDs.
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 140 2010-04-04T17:09:13  <ThomasWaldmann> re
 141 2010-04-04T17:09:30  <dreimark> these p class line numbers where inserted into the code for debugging
 142 2010-04-04T17:09:53  <dreimark> because we won't change the parser in 1.9 we could remove these now
 143 2010-04-04T17:10:49  <CIA-55> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5648:06908566d7bd 1.9/MoinMoin/version.py: bump version number to 1.9.3
 144 2010-04-04T17:14:40  <valeuf> I am looking for the Unit Test stuffs
 145 2010-04-04T17:14:41  <RogerHaase> OK, I see for your table, there is no span tag with an ID generated for the header row,
 146 2010-04-04T17:15:13  <valeuf> and I was wondering if a diff between an expected Docbook file, and the generated one would be a good unit test ?
 147 2010-04-04T17:15:49  <RogerHaase> but there are span tags with IDs generated for all the data rows, from line-613 to line-618.
 148 2010-04-04T17:16:10  <ThomasWaldmann> valeuf: likely not
 149 2010-04-04T17:16:22  <ThomasWaldmann> see current test failures
 150 2010-04-04T17:16:40  <dreimark> or better look at the skipped tests
 151 2010-04-04T17:16:46  <dreimark> because of that
 152 2010-04-04T17:17:02  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: I checked the unit test in the Moin2 branch
 153 2010-04-04T17:17:15  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: I will have a look for the test in the current branch so
 154 2010-04-04T17:17:20  <RogerHaase> But the whole table selects line-617? Seems like it could do better and hit the right row.
 155 2010-04-04T17:18:40  <dreimark> RogerHaase: i see the cursor always on the bottom line of the table.
 156 2010-04-04T17:20:26  <ThomasWaldmann> valeuf: in moin 1.9, quite some tests have troubles because the test with some given parser input and check the formatter output against some expected output
 157 2010-04-04T17:21:36  <ThomasWaldmann> and each time a little bit changes somewhere in between, you get lots of failures
 158 2010-04-04T17:21:45  <RogerHaase> driemark: Right, the result of the whole table being set with line-617.  This happens in the javascript setSpanTags function.
 159 2010-04-04T17:22:32  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, see bottom of that page for some improvements that could be made
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 161 2010-04-04T17:30:33  <dreimark> RogerHaase: i tried the feature with http://moinmo.in/MoinAPI/Beispiele and it makes working on that document easier
 162 2010-04-04T17:30:46  <dreimark> also i have some further ideas
 163 2010-04-04T17:31:32  <dreimark> if i use it with SlideShow http://moinmo.in/4ct10n/SlideShow/MoinMoinTalks/DLR-2009-09-08?action=SlideShow
 164 2010-04-04T17:31:50  <dreimark> i want it also working
 165 2010-04-04T17:32:20  <dreimark> please make it work to edit for example slide 10
 166 2010-04-04T17:32:28  <dreimark> if i am on that slide
 167 2010-04-04T17:34:08  <dreimark> (that example is not editable by you)
 168 2010-04-04T17:38:04  <RogerHaase> driemark: OK, will look for a local slide I can edit.
 169 2010-04-04T17:39:41  <dreimark> RogerHaase: me becomes highligthed if you don't do a typo in my nick. I often use the tab key for autocompletion ;)
 170 2010-04-04T17:45:58  <RogerHaase> dreimark: Will try harder, I recently rcorded a rock art site named Riemar and my mother's maiden name is Riechers.
 171 2010-04-04T17:47:53  <RogerHaase> dreimark: To edit a slideshow, there must be a <meta name="edit_on_doubleclick" content="1"> added to the header.
 172 2010-04-04T17:53:39  <dreimark> RogerHaase: me had always heard my firstname as we have paid with the old currency
 173 2010-04-04T17:53:55  <dreimark> in memorial to this i have choosen this nick
 174 2010-04-04T17:54:55  <dreimark> i look at the action after i am done with the action i am working on now
 175 2010-04-04T17:59:42  * dreimark enjoys bpython
 176 2010-04-04T18:00:13  <valeuf> after reading converter2/_tests/test_html_out.py I think I understand more how is working the unit test for the converter2, so there is indeed no need to diif !!
 177 2010-04-04T18:05:12  <dreimark> valeuf: but you need to write tests - thats clear or?
 178 2010-04-04T18:05:23  <valeuf> dreimark: yes naturally
 179 2010-04-04T18:05:34  <dreimark> good
 180 2010-04-04T18:05:35  <valeuf> dreimark: but I was not sure about how to write efficient test
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 188 2010-04-04T20:58:19  <ThomasWaldmann> valeuf: http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinPatch/PretifyDocbookOutput i can apply that, is it what one usually wants? any downsides?
 189 2010-04-04T21:16:50  <dreimark> RogerHaase: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/197581/
 190 2010-04-04T21:16:57  <dreimark> TheSheep:
 191 2010-04-04T21:17:18  <dreimark> that won't work with the action SingleSlideshow
 192 2010-04-04T21:17:39  <dreimark> because we create always id starting from 0 for each slide
 193 2010-04-04T21:18:37  <dreimark> the js code is based on counting, can it be also based on a unique id (not enumerated)
 194 2010-04-04T21:19:56  <dreimark> if there are pragmas used on a page we will always have an offset on SiSlSh
 195 2010-04-04T21:25:31  <TheSheep> dreimark: all the editor's js needs is the line number, if you can somehow add that to the url, it will work
 196 2010-04-04T21:28:25  * dreimark looks
 197 2010-04-04T21:46:26  <RogerHaase> dreimark: I applied your patch. When I run HelpOnSlideShow from the underlay, I get ..?action=print&media=projection and there is no meta tag.
 198 2010-04-04T21:53:41  <ThomasWaldmann> 287/288 wtf?
 199 2010-04-04T21:57:44  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: well, without this small change, you get a one line XML document ... which is not really convenient to edit after
 200 2010-04-04T21:57:47  <ThomasWaldmann> ah, i see now. ignore.
 201 2010-04-04T21:58:10  <ThomasWaldmann> valeuf: and editing afterwards is happening frequently?
 202 2010-04-04T21:58:33  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: with the pretty output, you get the correct indentation, and a nice looking PDF
 203 2010-04-04T21:58:49  <ThomasWaldmann> any downsides?
 204 2010-04-04T21:59:46  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: No Idea, personally yes, I usually change few stuff in the final DocBook document, but usually we do not really edit manually DocBook source
 205 2010-04-04T21:59:59  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: normally no, but maybe it is a little bit slower
 206 2010-04-04T22:00:18  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: (I do not think so, but I can check quickly on a big document)
 207 2010-04-04T22:03:19  <ThomasWaldmann> i don't mean speed. but maybe whitespace related issues?
 208 2010-04-04T22:04:45  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: never heard about it, but I think it has been intentionally turn off by the previous author of the DocBook formatter, There was probably a reason
 209 2010-04-04T22:05:23  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: But I cannot figure it out, to me it makes more sense to produce human-readable document since the purpose of XML is to be human-readable,
 210 2010-04-04T22:07:27  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: the indent are not using the tabulation character, but just two whitespace characters
 211 2010-04-04T22:10:56  <dreimark> valeuf: isn't it relevant for fast reading. i think it is much faster in one line
 212 2010-04-04T22:11:06  <ThomasWaldmann> valeuf: it has been intentionally turned off?
 213 2010-04-04T22:11:32  <valeuf> dreimark: yep, It was what I was thinking about when I said it is slower
 214 2010-04-04T22:11:42  <valeuf> not to generate, but to process the docbook file after
 215 2010-04-04T22:11:49  <valeuf> (Sorry I have not been clear)
 216 2010-04-04T22:12:04  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: I think so, because the PrettyPrint module was already imported
 217 2010-04-04T22:12:24  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, maybe
 218 2010-04-04T22:13:13  <dreimark> RogerHaase:  <meta name="edit_on_doubleclick" content="1">
 219 2010-04-04T22:13:21  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: on line 104 : from xml.dom.ext import PrettyPrint, Print
 220 2010-04-04T22:13:33  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: so I guess that PrettyPrint was used before
 221 2010-04-04T22:13:37  <dreimark> i have the meta tag there. but the line numbers are wrong
 222 2010-04-04T22:14:19  <dreimark> valeuf: big documents also could have memory problems
 223 2010-04-04T22:14:54  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: I will make some search about PrettyPrint to see if there is any comparaison with the normal Print function
 224 2010-04-04T22:15:46  <valeuf> dreimark: what kind of memory problem ? I do not see why a multi-line document can have more problem than an "all-in-one" line document ??
 225 2010-04-04T22:16:41  <dreimark> valeuf: because of blanks and linebreaks
 226 2010-04-04T22:17:25  <valeuf> dreimark: hum ... that's true, there is a small size difference between the two kind of document
 227 2010-04-04T22:17:32  <valeuf> dreimark: let me make a test
 228 2010-04-04T22:20:01  * dreimark remembers a TALK 
 229 2010-04-04T22:20:39  <dreimark> on pycologne about that, and there it was necessary to split a one liner in several hunks after it was formatted for human reading
 230 2010-04-04T22:27:07  <dreimark> RogerHaase: may be it needs a editable page
 231 2010-04-04T22:30:08  <valeuf> dreimark: you are probably right, I just test on different document from my personal wiki
 232 2010-04-04T22:30:39  <valeuf> dreimark: it is 13~16% for the 4 documents I tried
 233 2010-04-04T22:31:10  <ThomasWaldmann> there is no memory problem
 234 2010-04-04T22:31:11  <valeuf> thes documents was all having more than 70 000 char for the one line output
 235 2010-04-04T22:32:04  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: for some really big document, I think it can be a problem
 236 2010-04-04T22:35:37  <ThomasWaldmann> making something big 16% bigger leads to a problem?
 237 2010-04-04T22:36:22  <ThomasWaldmann> and how big could such a document be?
 238 2010-04-04T22:37:00  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: forget about what I said, I think it was quite stupid in fact, I keep in mind a problem with XML parsing on Windows Mobile
 239 2010-04-04T22:37:30  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: but I guess that people will not process DocBook document on embedded platform ...
 240 2010-04-04T22:39:09  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: BTW, I checked and prettyXML does not intro
 241 2010-04-04T22:39:20  <valeuf> introduce significant whitespace
 242 2010-04-04T22:40:25  <valeuf> (whitespace in the content are significant)
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 244 2010-04-04T22:41:49  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: it was a thesis something about 120 pages
 245 2010-04-04T22:44:05  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: ?
 246 2010-04-04T22:45:00  <ThomasWaldmann> valeuf: if you are sure, I can commit that change. I won't have problems with it as I don't use it anyway. :D
 247 2010-04-04T22:45:36  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: well, I am not 100% sure, but it was useful for me ... Maybe we can just keep a
 248 2010-04-04T22:46:01  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: Maybe I can add to the DocBook documentation a message about this
 249 2010-04-04T22:46:15  <valeuf> ThomasWaldmann: To explain to people how to switch between the two printing mode
 250 2010-04-04T22:48:49  <dreimark> valeuf: that also should go into CHANGES
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 253 2010-04-04T23:07:46  <RogerHaase> dreimark: I found MergeNavigationMacroAndSlideShowAction and now understand there are two kinds of slideshows.
 254 2010-04-04T23:08:38  <RogerHaase> dreimark: If I add ?action=SlideShow to a wiki page url, then doubleclick works with you patch.
 255 2010-04-04T23:15:17  <RogerHaase> dreimark: But maybe rather than just adding the meta tag always, we should add the tests as in /theme/__init__.py.
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 257 2010-04-04T23:28:00  <dreimark> RogerHaase: yes, this was only for testing
 258 2010-04-04T23:28:16  <dreimark> and recognizing that it won't work as it is
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