MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2009-09-07

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2009-09-07T01:07:43  <CIA-34> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 409:bb5e662eca6d extensions/data/plugin/action/SlideShow.py: action SlideShow: fixed max Slide number
2009-09-07T01:59:54  <CIA-34> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 410:3989be8db422 extensions/data/plugin/action/SlideShow.py: action SlideShow: pragma default changed to empty string
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2009-09-07T02:30:17  <CIA-34> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 411:387171937567 extensions/htdocs/SlideShow/css/SlideShow.css: css.SlideShow: removed right browser slider
2009-09-07T02:43:48  <dreimark> gn
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2009-09-07T09:15:22  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2009-09-07T11:34:43  <CIA-34> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 5089:9558a3c34043 1.9-draw/contrib/AnyWikiDraw/AnyWikiDraw/build-for-moinmoin.xml:
2009-09-07T11:34:43  <CIA-34> AnyWikiDraw.build-for-moinmoin.xml: initial version
2009-09-07T11:34:43  <CIA-34> ant -f build-for-moinmoin.xml -Dplatforms.JDK_1.6.home=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun
2009-09-07T11:34:43  <CIA-34> the applet is currently signed by a dummy key located at 1.9-draw/.keystore (this keyfile must be created yourself)
2009-09-07T11:34:46  <CIA-34> the signed applet must be copied from 1.9-draw/contrib/AnyWikiDraw/AnyWikiDraw/dist/AnyWikiDraw 0.13.3/anywikidraw/moin 1.9/pub/MoinMoin/AnyWikiDrawPlugin to 1.9-draw/MoinMoin/web/static/htdocs/applets/anywikidraw/lib
2009-09-07T12:24:04  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: how about a script? ^^
2009-09-07T12:39:01  <CIA-34> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 6793:0f90af88484b 2.0-storage/MoinMoin/web/static/htdocs/applets/ckeditor/ (5 files): updated ckeditor to 3.0
2009-09-07T12:43:18  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: that can be added also to the build file. I haven't done because of the "how do we solve the signing issue"
2009-09-07T12:45:48  <ThomasWaldmann> iirc the goal was that in the end we use something from anywikidraw, thus we have no problem with that
2009-09-07T12:56:50  <CIA-34> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4390:f0eef1aecf88 1.8/docs/CHANGES: updated CHANGES
2009-09-07T13:02:04  <dreimark> fsck sourceforge
2009-09-07T13:13:58  <CIA-34> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4391:32003bec544e 1.8/MoinMoin/i18n/ (5 files): updated i18n
2009-09-07T13:25:39  <CIA-34> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4392:d28f315d0ac0 1.8/wiki/underlay.tar: updated underlay
2009-09-07T13:39:22  <CIA-34> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4393:f7052dd8d150 1.8/docs/ (INSTALL.html UPDATE.html): make install-docs interwiki
2009-09-07T13:39:24  <CIA-34> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4394:d57cfa1a3724 1.8/ (12 files in 9 dirs): prepare 1.8.5 release: bump version number, add mig script
2009-09-07T13:47:49  <CIA-34> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4395:2b7f9e89e442 1.8/MoinMoin/parser/_tests/test_text_csv.py: fix text/csv parser test to expect css classes in td
2009-09-07T13:48:36  <CIA-34> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 5090:a31a5e3370ec 1.9-draw/contrib/AnyWikiDraw/AnyWikiDraw/build-for-moinmoin.xml: AnyWikiDraw.build-for-moinmoin.xml: applet.install added and set as default
2009-09-07T13:53:53  <CIA-34> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 5091:11b8416d9651 1.9-draw/MoinMoin/web/static/htdocs/applets/anywikidraw/lib/AnyWikiDrawForMoinMoin.jar: applet of AnyWikiDrawForMoinMoin.jar builded by build-for-moinmoin.xml
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2009-09-07T14:05:02  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, a 1.8.5 release candidate is at http://static.moinmo.in/files/moin-1.8.5.tar.gz
2009-09-07T14:06:25  <dreimark> chksum?
2009-09-07T14:10:45  <ThomasWaldmann> 0f3787de32276cc545ffcc1758228ecf  moin-1.8.5.tar.gz
2009-09-07T14:10:51  <ThomasWaldmann> md5sum
2009-09-07T14:11:03  <ThomasWaldmann> not released yet, though, just for testing
2009-09-07T14:12:40  <ThomasWaldmann> 9.9.09 sounds like a nice release date :D
2009-09-07T14:31:51  <dreimark> nett andreas hat das geb. in maps markiert, wenns stimmt muessen wir ins 2b auf der Linder Höhe in Köln Porz
2009-09-07T14:32:23  <dreimark> ich hab das grad mal per mail angefragt
2009-09-07T14:34:16  <dreimark> sorry wrong channel
2009-09-07T14:49:19  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: navibar is broken
2009-09-07T14:49:44  <dreimark> if you click on one of your links the links below are erased
2009-09-07T14:55:30  <ThomasWaldmann> huh?
2009-09-07T14:56:36  <ThomasWaldmann> i can't reproduce that. are you talking of 1.8.5 running on moinmo.in?
2009-09-07T14:57:31  * ThomasWaldmann contacted LH because of gsoc09 wrapup publishing
2009-09-07T14:59:06  <dreimark> yes
2009-09-07T15:00:40  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/ReimarBauer?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=navibar.png
2009-09-07T15:06:50  <ThomasWaldmann> does shift-reload fix it?
2009-09-07T15:17:38  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: ^^
2009-09-07T15:19:11  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: no
2009-09-07T15:20:21  <ThomasWaldmann> theme?
2009-09-07T15:20:46  <dreimark> modernized
2009-09-07T15:20:58  * dreimark tries a browser restart
2009-09-07T15:21:21  <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
2009-09-07T15:31:58  <dennda> btw, the code sample thing may only contain work done until the firm pencils down date
2009-09-07T15:32:28  <dennda> google's "you may do work after that" policy is even more strange now
2009-09-07T15:44:29  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: if I increase by ctrl + + at some size this gap becomes removed
2009-09-07T15:53:35  * dennda uploaded his code (all changesets modulo syspages and sqla)
2009-09-07T16:04:36  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: i can't reproduce it
2009-09-07T16:04:42  <ThomasWaldmann> can anyone else?
2009-09-07T16:05:17  <dreimark> I have it on the laptop too and I have added some more links yeste. may be it is only by huge amount?
2009-09-07T16:08:28  <ThomasWaldmann> i have a huge amount of quicklinks
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2009-09-07T18:46:25  <dreimark> TheSheep: can I have an image aligned for h1:before ?
2009-09-07T18:48:22  <TheSheep> dreimark: with vertical-align?
2009-09-07T18:51:51  <dreimark> h1 {font-size: 32pt; color: #33F;}
2009-09-07T18:51:52  <dreimark> h1:before {content:url(../../common/moinmoin.png)" "; vertical-align: middle;}
2009-09-07T18:52:31  <TheSheep> I didn't know you can use " " like that
2009-09-07T18:52:37  <TheSheep> I'd rather use padding
2009-09-07T18:53:28  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/ReimarBauer?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=h1.png
2009-09-07T18:53:39  <dreimark> the logo is not at the middle
2009-09-07T18:54:05  <TheSheep> dreimark: what if you remove the " "?
2009-09-07T18:54:26  <dreimark> it comes closer (no space in between)
2009-09-07T18:55:54  <TheSheep> display: inline-block;
2009-09-07T18:56:20  <dreimark> :) :)
2009-09-07T18:56:54  <TheSheep> did it work?
2009-09-07T18:57:12  <dreimark> TheSheep: you can talk with xorAxAx about the pycon.pl
2009-09-07T18:57:17  <dreimark> he may be interested
2009-09-07T18:57:27  <TheSheep> cool
2009-09-07T18:57:37  <TheSheep> xorAxAx: want to go hiking in polish mountains?
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2009-09-07T19:10:19  <JosefMeier_> Moin Moin
2009-09-07T19:12:14  <CIA-34> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 412:f7ea504664dc extensions/htdocs/SlideShow/css/SlideShow.css: css.Slideshow: instead of background image logo now before h1
2009-09-07T19:13:18  <ThomasWaldmann> moin JosefMeier_
2009-09-07T19:14:20  <dreimark> moin JosefMeier_
2009-09-07T19:14:44  <dreimark> I have added a bukd script - it makes a 4 times smaller jar file
2009-09-07T19:14:52  <dreimark> s/bukd/build/
2009-09-07T19:15:24  <JosefMeier_> Cool
2009-09-07T19:16:08  <JosefMeier_> I like to use JQuery JavaScript library in MoinMoin pages (for dynamic buttons/text, etc.). Whats the best location to insert it into page headers?
2009-09-07T19:16:20  <JosefMeier_> It's an experiment
2009-09-07T19:16:26  <dreimark> common.js if it is not to big
2009-09-07T19:17:31  <JosefMeier_> Ok. I'll do that
2009-09-07T19:18:39  <dreimark> JosefMeier_: http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9-draw/rev/c32e1ff86c25#l1.8
2009-09-07T19:19:03  <dreimark> line 10 afterwards it can't be different
2009-09-07T19:19:40  <JosefMeier_> pardon?
2009-09-07T19:19:46  <dreimark> 1.8 +        dwidth = dheight = 0
2009-09-07T19:19:51  <dreimark> 1.10 +        if dwidth != 0 and dheight != 0:
2009-09-07T19:20:10  <dreimark> what should these lines archieve?
2009-09-07T19:20:43  <JosefMeier_> My first thought was, that we use the transclusion image width and height to give that to the applet
2009-09-07T19:20:58  <JosefMeier_> So we had to use the action link for giving these parameters to AnyWikiDraw.py
2009-09-07T19:21:00  <JosefMeier_> But
2009-09-07T19:21:28  <JosefMeier_> after that I saw that the image is scaled to height and width from the transclusion wiki markup
2009-09-07T19:21:40  <JosefMeier_> there should be no need to give these params to the applet.
2009-09-07T19:21:50  <JosefMeier_> But I'd like to discuss this with you
2009-09-07T19:22:21  <dreimark> currently this code is always running into else
2009-09-07T19:22:35  <JosefMeier_> yes. that's what I want it to do. It's debug.
2009-09-07T19:22:53  <JosefMeier_> If you say that theres no reason to give the applet width and height params, then we can delete that code
2009-09-07T19:23:47  <JosefMeier_> The width and height params of the transclusion markup collide with the applets meaning of width and height
2009-09-07T19:23:53  <JosefMeier_> the markup scales the image
2009-09-07T19:24:00  <JosefMeier_> the applet forces the image to a certain width and height
2009-09-07T19:24:06  <JosefMeier_> both collide
2009-09-07T19:24:27  <dreimark> then we don't make itmore complicated. you can add a ToDo line that we have to take care for this problem
2009-09-07T19:24:35  <JosefMeier_> Ok
2009-09-07T19:24:59  <dreimark> and also add a feature request to point on that
2009-09-07T19:25:30  <JosefMeier_> common.js contains some common JavaScript code. But JQuery is a complete JS library which should be included in each page with an own link. Where could I do that?
2009-09-07T19:25:33  <dreimark> so on a later refactoring one can care for this
2009-09-07T19:26:29  <JosefMeier_> ok. JQuery is 54kByte (compressed) in size
2009-09-07T19:26:50  <JosefMeier_> You can do a lot of effect stuff with it. It's also good for menus, AJAX stuff and so on.
2009-09-07T19:27:14  <dreimark> if it is such big it is to much for 1.9 now
2009-09-07T19:27:21  <JosefMeier_> I like to try to make dynamic buttons / link text for the AnyWikiDraw applet with it
2009-09-07T19:27:29  <dreimark> it would be better to find another solution
2009-09-07T19:27:39  <JosefMeier_> dreimark: 54 kByte is too big?
2009-09-07T19:28:12  <dreimark> yes I am quite sure I can't read that code until rc1
2009-09-07T19:28:19  <JosefMeier_> JQuery is compliant with a lot of browses. You save this "it works on Firefox but not on IE" problems
2009-09-07T19:28:31  <JosefMeier_> which code?
2009-09-07T19:28:39  <dreimark> the JQuery code
2009-09-07T19:29:01  <JosefMeier_> why read it? It's used on thousands of sites
2009-09-07T19:29:34  <JosefMeier_> It contains a lot of useful JavaScript functions.
2009-09-07T19:29:38  <JosefMeier_> no magic in it
2009-09-07T19:29:38  <dreimark> because we have to care for problems then
2009-09-07T19:29:50  <dreimark> and bug reports
2009-09-07T19:30:16  <dreimark> there is enough time between 1.9 and 2.0
2009-09-07T19:30:31  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: what do you think ?
2009-09-07T19:30:44  <JosefMeier_> But I fear that it will make more problems if I program the dynamic buttons on my own
2009-09-07T19:30:56  <JosefMeier_> In JQuery it's a call with one function
2009-09-07T19:31:34  <JosefMeier_> So the problems could only occur within this one function
2009-09-07T19:31:36  <dreimark> as I suggested before it is easier for people to getting involved if you create a subpage on FeatureRequests/NewImageEditors
2009-09-07T19:31:41  <JosefMeier_> And we would be ready for the future.
2009-09-07T19:31:48  <dreimark> and to share ideas
2009-09-07T19:31:54  <JosefMeier_> ok
2009-09-07T19:32:04  <JosefMeier_> No problem
2009-09-07T19:32:29  <JosefMeier_> And what would be the best location to insert this library into each page header? It's only for my local experiments
2009-09-07T19:33:01  <dreimark> may be a page_header var does it, I am not often insert js into moin
2009-09-07T19:34:26  <dreimark> page_header1 may work
2009-09-07T19:36:50  <JosefMeier_> ok
2009-09-07T19:41:11  * ThomasWaldmann still busy at work, sorry
2009-09-07T19:57:33  <dreimark> TheSheep: http://moinmo.in/4ct10n/SlideShow/ReimarBauer/SlideTest?action=SlideShow
2009-09-07T19:57:49  <dreimark> do you have an idea how I can force the footer to the bottom
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2009-09-07T20:04:50  <TheSheep> dreimark: clear: both
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2009-09-07T20:42:32  <ThomasWaldmann> re
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2009-09-07T20:47:27  <dreimark> and position fixed
2009-09-07T20:49:25  <CIA-34> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 413:6b1cc30131d6 extensions/htdocs/SlideShow/css/SlideShow.css: css.Slideshow: fixed position of footer data
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2009-09-07T20:55:33  <ThomasWaldmann> JosefMeier: dreimark: i suggest first finishing the basic drawing stuff and merging it into main branch
2009-09-07T20:55:53  <ThomasWaldmann> then we'll see about additional stuff
2009-09-07T20:55:59  <JosefMeier> ThomasWaldmann: That's our plan
2009-09-07T20:56:23  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: you don't need to read jquery src. it is likely written by people having much more clue about js than we.
2009-09-07T20:57:02  <ThomasWaldmann> JosefMeier: great, so when it will be ready for merge?
2009-09-07T20:57:21  <ThomasWaldmann> i am still waiting with the next beta :)
2009-09-07T20:57:22  <JosefMeier> I'll have to add the edit button / edit text to each image
2009-09-07T20:57:59  <JosefMeier> at the moment I try out JQuery JavaScript library to do that. It's damn easy to add stuff to a page with this library.
2009-09-07T20:58:35  <JosefMeier> The plan is to dynamically add a text or button to an image if you hover over it with the mouse. the image or text contains a link to the edit action.
2009-09-07T20:59:34  <ThomasWaldmann> how about something simple first
2009-09-07T20:59:43  <ThomasWaldmann> like a clickable invisible border
2009-09-07T20:59:45  * dreimark would prefer that too
2009-09-07T20:59:55  <dreimark> and also I prefer some documetnation
2009-09-07T21:00:35  <dreimark> the textcha stuff must be ported too
2009-09-07T21:01:03  <dreimark> JosefMeier: now you can drag something to the right out of the drawing border but not to the left
2009-09-07T21:01:20  <JosefMeier> that's how it is supposed to be
2009-09-07T21:01:45  <JosefMeier> to the right you shouldn't see any border
2009-09-07T21:02:03  <JosefMeier> but you have to create a new drawing for that
2009-09-07T21:02:13  <JosefMeier> drawing created with the "old" mechanism still show the border
2009-09-07T21:02:24  <dreimark> ok, twikidraw does it the same, so no need to think on that
2009-09-07T21:04:35  <ThomasWaldmann> I think I'll do the next beta either next weekend or the weekend after that
2009-09-07T21:04:55  <JosefMeier> the weekend after that would be better
2009-09-07T21:05:06  <JosefMeier> It took me a week to setup my linux stuff.
2009-09-07T21:05:14  <ThomasWaldmann> so, if there is some finished drawing stuff, we'll include it in that beta, otherwise in the next one
2009-09-07T21:05:16  <JosefMeier> now I'm developing under ubuntu
2009-09-07T21:05:47  <dreimark> next weekend is ok
2009-09-07T21:05:59  <ThomasWaldmann> and we need to go rc with 1.9 soon, too
2009-09-07T21:06:40  <ThomasWaldmann> until mid october or so
2009-09-07T21:07:38  <dreimark> 10.10 would be a good date
2009-09-07T21:07:41  * ThomasWaldmann .oO(a rc1 before we are in google land would be nice)
2009-09-07T21:08:37  <dreimark> yeah ,therefore I proposed 1010
2009-09-07T21:08:55  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, that's a nice date
2009-09-07T21:09:40  <ThomasWaldmann> and rc means that stuff is rather stable then, no big changes any more
2009-09-07T21:12:44  * dreimark has continued the talk on the anywikidraw ml http://tinyurl.com/mz38kx
2009-09-07T21:12:51  <ThomasWaldmann> b3 is out since a while. 2009-09-13 b4 2009-09-27 b5 2009-10-10 rc1
2009-09-07T21:13:26  <dreimark> may be we get some input about the converter stuff
2009-09-07T21:15:20  <ThomasWaldmann> and 2009-11-11 release (if nothing really bad happens with rc1) :*D
2009-09-07T21:15:56  <dreimark> JosefMeier: do you enjoy hacking on linux ?
2009-09-07T21:16:03  <JosefMeier> yes. I love it.
2009-09-07T21:16:21  <JosefMeier> It was much easier to install than on my experience a few years ago
2009-09-07T21:16:37  <JosefMeier> vista is running in a virtual machine :-D
2009-09-07T21:16:58  <dreimark> oh, you changed your scope so who will care on the ms problems ;)
2009-09-07T21:17:19  <dreimark> can you subscribe that page too http://moinmo.in/FeatureRequests/NewImageEditors#make_ant_work
2009-09-07T21:17:23  <JosefMeier> Don't worry :-)
2009-09-07T21:18:25  <JosefMeier> done
2009-09-07T21:20:13  <ThomasWaldmann> that's the problem somehow with windows devs, they all end up with linux or OS X some time later, so noone care about windows. X)
2009-09-07T21:20:24  <dreimark> JosefMeier: I have added the instructions for ant
2009-09-07T21:20:57  <dreimark> please can you add a cs link or a (./) if something on the list was finished
2009-09-07T21:21:38  <dreimark> e.g. I guess that is finished but you know "crop white border of png file"
2009-09-07T21:21:54  <JosefMeier> ok
2009-09-07T21:48:17  <dreimark> JosefMeier: after merging of draw to 1.9 we should try to merge it into anywikidraw main repo too
2009-09-07T21:48:58  <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
2009-09-07T21:49:06  <dreimark> after that merge is done we should only work at the anywikidraw main repo so that maintaining is also done  by the people there
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2009-09-07T22:24:00  <dreimark> waldi: the tomtom is in my baggage, usb adaptor, power supply for car and a clamp
2009-09-07T22:26:14  <waldi> okay, thanks
2009-09-07T22:28:40  <JosefMeier> dreimark: Did my applet work out of the box for you or did you had to sign it first?
2009-09-07T22:38:07  <dreimark> JosefMeier: I have created by keytool a key with the alias moin
2009-09-07T22:38:22  <dreimark> added this to the dir described and have run the ant command
2009-09-07T22:38:41  <JosefMeier> so you had do sign it first? I think I pushed the unsigned applet
2009-09-07T22:38:51  <JosefMeier> we should push a signed one
2009-09-07T22:38:55  <JosefMeier> else it wont work
2009-09-07T22:39:02  <dreimark> mine is signed
2009-09-07T22:39:24  <dreimark> and you should use always the ant command
2009-09-07T22:39:36  <dreimark> otherwise we won't know it it becomes broken by a future change
2009-09-07T22:40:12  <dreimark> ~/workspace/1.9-draw/contrib/AnyWikiDraw/AnyWikiDraw$ ant -f build-for-moinmoin.xml -Dplatforms.JDK_1.6.home=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun
2009-09-07T22:40:28  <dreimark> you don't need to give java home if you have only one
2009-09-07T22:40:53  <dreimark> before it can sign you have to For developing create a .keystore directory by keytool with an alias moinmoin and the password moinmoin below 1.9-draw toplevel dir.
2009-09-07T22:41:29  <dreimark> JosefMeier: yours was 3.5 times the size of the ant one
2009-09-07T22:42:12  <JosefMeier> I mean: is my applet in the repo signed?
2009-09-07T22:42:31  <dreimark> I was not able to run it, on tip is now my version done by ant
2009-09-07T22:42:39  <JosefMeier> ok. thats cause it wasnt signed
2009-09-07T22:42:43  <JosefMeier> and your ant works now?
2009-09-07T22:42:48  <dreimark> yes
2009-09-07T22:43:01  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/FeatureRequests/NewImageEditors#make_ant_work
2009-09-07T22:43:19  <dreimark> I have decribed it and verified on two systems
2009-09-07T22:44:03  <dreimark> may be you have to use jcontrol to clear the java cache first
2009-09-07T22:44:15  <dreimark> that's quite annoying
2009-09-07T22:45:05  <JosefMeier> yes. it is
2009-09-07T22:45:22  <JosefMeier> why didn't ant work before?
2009-09-07T22:45:26  <JosefMeier> for you
2009-09-07T22:45:42  <dreimark> I ahve had to set up first the build script for moinmoin
2009-09-07T22:45:55  <dreimark> build-for-moinmoin.xml is brand new
2009-09-07T22:46:57  <JosefMeier> ah ok
2009-09-07T22:47:28  <dreimark> that has targets for all neccessary steps and the default one is do everything
2009-09-07T22:48:43  <dreimark> make ant work is also important for package manager people e.g. debian
2009-09-07T22:50:43  * dreimark changed the title because we can use it now
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2009-09-07T23:35:39  <JosefMeier> guys: JQuery is so damn cool :-) http://www.queness.com/resources/html/lava/index.html
2009-09-07T23:37:22  <JosefMeier> or this (click the images) http://www.coders.me/ejemplos/sexy-lightbox-2/jQuery/