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2009-09-01T00:41:14  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: http://moinmo.in/ReimarBauer?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=attachfile.patch
2009-09-01T00:41:20  <dreimark> makes
2009-09-01T00:41:26  <dreimark> makes http://moinmo.in/ReimarBauer?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=attachfile.png
2009-09-01T00:41:37  <dreimark> good night
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2009-09-01T07:52:31  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: that patch works also with ie6
2009-09-01T07:54:52  <dreimark> opera and konqueror
2009-09-01T08:29:24  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2009-09-01T08:32:34  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: don't we already have sortable tables, so why does it need so much js code?
2009-09-01T08:35:22  <dreimark> we don't have
2009-09-01T08:35:35  <dreimark> we have only select
2009-09-01T08:36:41  <dreimark> js is from http://moinmo.in/FeatureRequests/SortableTables
2009-09-01T08:36:53  <dreimark> we have this patch since long in our wikis
2009-09-01T08:38:23  <dreimark> http://www.kryogenix.org/code/browser/sorttable/
2009-09-01T08:38:36  <dreimark> brb
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2009-09-01T08:47:57  <LiaoJie> ThomasWaldmann: The license is added now.
2009-09-01T08:48:21  <ThomasWaldmann> good :)
2009-09-01T08:49:14  <LiaoJie>  ThomasWaldmann: I tested it using lighttpd.
2009-09-01T08:50:06  <ThomasWaldmann> using fastcgi?
2009-09-01T08:50:21  <LiaoJie> yes.
2009-09-01T08:51:07  <ThomasWaldmann> how did sareq work there?
2009-09-01T08:51:52  <LiaoJie> sareq is replaced by request.http_redirect.
2009-09-01T08:53:28  <LiaoJie> about pep8 style standard, is there anything I should do?
2009-09-01T08:54:15  <ThomasWaldmann> it would be great, yes
2009-09-01T08:54:40  <ThomasWaldmann> like e.g. pep8 tells to not surround = by blanks in function/method headers
2009-09-01T08:55:17  <ThomasWaldmann> that cas server stuff seems to be free software, right?
2009-09-01T08:57:34  <LiaoJie> yes
2009-09-01T08:57:45  <ThomasWaldmann>     @copyright: 2007 MoinMoin:RichardLiao    sure you didn't want 2009? :)
2009-09-01T08:58:53  <ThomasWaldmann> LiaoJie: in case we would add that code to moin distribution, would you be interested in maintaining that part?
2009-09-01T09:00:07  <LiaoJie> sure.
2009-09-01T09:01:39  <LiaoJie> what's the major tasks should I do maintaining it?
2009-09-01T09:02:01  <LiaoJie> copyright updated to 2009 :)
2009-09-01T09:02:53  <ThomasWaldmann> testing it with new moin code, keeping it working
2009-09-01T09:03:13  <ThomasWaldmann> fixing bugs in case there are any
2009-09-01T09:03:51  <LiaoJie> no problem
2009-09-01T09:04:04  <ThomasWaldmann> we could also use mercurial then for revision control
2009-09-01T09:04:52  <ThomasWaldmann> are you using moin at some bigger organisation like a university?
2009-09-01T09:05:14  * ThomasWaldmann has seen cas is esp. popular at universities.
2009-09-01T09:06:25  <LiaoJie> I am using moin in my working company.
2009-09-01T09:07:14  <ThomasWaldmann> ah, ok. on debian?
2009-09-01T09:09:07  <LiaoJie> My desktop is Windows PC, the server box is on FreeBSD
2009-09-01T09:09:22  <ThomasWaldmann> (that could've been a reason why you still have 1.7 :)
2009-09-01T09:10:18  <ThomasWaldmann> i could commit it either to http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.8 or .../1.9
2009-09-01T09:11:12  <LiaoJie> We have used moin over 2 years, from 1.5.x, and we are plannig to migrate it to 1.8.
2009-09-01T09:11:18  <ThomasWaldmann> as it is a separate auth module, risk is rather low, so it could even go into 1.8. if you have lots to do there, maybe 1.9 would be better.
2009-09-01T09:11:46  <ThomasWaldmann> but i guess the cas stuff is rather finished and working, right?
2009-09-01T09:12:20  * ThomasWaldmann has no cas environment to test such stuff.
2009-09-01T09:13:17  <LiaoJie> I will test it in 1.8~1.9.
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2009-09-01T09:22:18  <dreimark> re
2009-09-01T09:32:00  <ThomasWaldmann> LiaoJie: I'll commit it to 1.8.
2009-09-01T09:32:58  <LiaoJie> ok
2009-09-01T09:43:51  <ThomasWaldmann> LiaoJie: that cas property, is it necessary to execute that code on each property read access?
2009-09-01T09:49:28  <LiaoJie> No. the PyCAS class is adapted from TracCASPlugin, which using it as a property. I refactor this part now.
2009-09-01T09:51:11  <ThomasWaldmann> please create a patch based on your current version
2009-09-01T09:54:15  <LiaoJie> where do I submit the patch?
2009-09-01T09:59:34  <ThomasWaldmann> pastebin or wiki page attachment
2009-09-01T10:00:18  <LiaoJie> get it
2009-09-01T10:01:10  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, are you using hg (mercurial) already?
2009-09-01T10:04:55  <LiaoJie> no, I will install one
2009-09-01T10:05:10  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe self.cas could be just assigned in __init__
2009-09-01T10:05:38  <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/MoinDev/MercurialGuide
2009-09-01T10:06:01  <LiaoJie> right, I'm going to modify it like that
2009-09-01T10:07:46  * ThomasWaldmann cleaned up some minor things, like trailing whitespace, pep8 conformance
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2009-09-01T10:46:28  <JosefMeier> MoinMoin
2009-09-01T10:46:34  <dreimark> moin JosefMeier
2009-09-01T10:46:38  <JosefMeier> dreimark: you sent me mail?
2009-09-01T10:46:45  <dreimark> yes
2009-09-01T10:47:01  <JosefMeier> on my gmx account?
2009-09-01T10:47:34  <dreimark> yes from my google account
2009-09-01T10:49:14  <JosefMeier> which irc client are you using? I'm trying to irc in kubuntu. Using Quassel IRC. Doesn't work for me either.
2009-09-01T10:49:20  <dreimark> see query
2009-09-01T10:49:23  <dreimark> irssi
2009-09-01T10:50:53  <dreimark> btw. can you subscribe the FR page
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2009-09-01T11:01:23  <dreimark> bbl
2009-09-01T11:06:21  <LiaoJie> ThomasWaldmann: a patch has uploaded to the wiki page, and I have tested it in 1.8.4
2009-09-01T11:17:17  * ThomasWaldmann looks
2009-09-01T11:29:09  <ThomasWaldmann> LiaoJie: better :)
2009-09-01T11:51:55  <ThomasWaldmann> LiaoJie: do you think you need these pathes somewhere else, aside from giving them to PyCAS?
2009-09-01T11:55:05  <LiaoJie> no
2009-09-01T11:57:03  <ThomasWaldmann> do you think you'll need many more of these pathes aside from those you have already?
2009-09-01T11:58:15  <CIA-34> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4371:675528f4c57a 1.8/MoinMoin/auth/cas.py: added CAS authentication (thanks to Richard Liao)
2009-09-01T12:01:34  <LiaoJie> no. I will refactor this part if we need to make the code more clean.
2009-09-01T12:01:48  <ThomasWaldmann> i am already doing that :)
2009-09-01T12:02:03  <ThomasWaldmann> could you try wether a non-ascii username works for cas?
2009-09-01T12:02:30  <ThomasWaldmann> like e.g. chinese? :)
2009-09-01T12:02:59  <LiaoJie> wait a minute, let me try it.
2009-09-01T12:04:07  <CIA-34> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4372:2008204d7c1a 1.8/MoinMoin/auth/cas.py: cas auth: simplify CASAuth to PyCAS argument passing
2009-09-01T12:04:40  <ThomasWaldmann> huh?
2009-09-01T12:04:58  <ThomasWaldmann> hg commit -m "cas auth: simplify CASAuth to PyCAS argument passing"
2009-09-01T12:05:32  <ThomasWaldmann> ah, my screen width was wrong, therefore I thought the CIA commit msg was wrong :)
2009-09-01T12:06:41  <ThomasWaldmann>             'logout_path': '/login',
2009-09-01T12:06:46  <ThomasWaldmann> is that correct?
2009-09-01T12:08:08  <LiaoJie> should be: 'logout_path': '/logout',
2009-09-01T12:09:48  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, i fix it
2009-09-01T12:10:41  <LiaoJie> the PyCAS class has never been touched, I think we should refactor it carefully.
2009-09-01T12:11:27  <CIA-34> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4373:2f7bab994988 1.8/MoinMoin/auth/cas.py: cas auth: simplify PyCAS, fix logout path
2009-09-01T12:12:00  * ThomasWaldmann is just doing simple transformations, I hope I get them right without CAS knowledge :)
2009-09-01T12:15:44  <ThomasWaldmann> LiaoJie: the url given to PyCAS.logout is something CAS server uses to redirect back to where one came from?
2009-09-01T12:16:14  <LiaoJie> right
2009-09-01T12:20:41  <CIA-34> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4374:845ff5cd3890 1.8/MoinMoin/auth/cas.py: cas auth: change some names
2009-09-01T12:22:31  <ThomasWaldmann> LiaoJie:         url = request.getBaseURL() + urllib.quote_plus(request.getPathinfo().encode('utf-8'))
2009-09-01T12:22:45  <ThomasWaldmann> can you try wether request.url works for that?
2009-09-01T12:25:37  <ThomasWaldmann> i think PyCAS.validate_ticket needs to know CAS username encoding, so it can return the username as unicode
2009-09-01T12:33:56  <dreimark> josef_: we should have a new FR page or ToDo page about what needs to be done different to the current implementation of anywikidraw in 1.9
2009-09-01T12:34:36  <dreimark> while all of the code for the applet and the mehtods for formatter and gedit also in that action
2009-09-01T12:34:53  <dreimark> it should be easy for you to read this part of 1.9
2009-09-01T12:35:03  <josef_> ok. good idea.
2009-09-01T12:35:24  <dreimark> if you are interested me is interested to mentor you similiar to a gsoc student
2009-09-01T12:35:57  <josef_> would be nice. so I could also learn the workflow for implementing such features
2009-09-01T12:36:09  <ThomasWaldmann> LiaoJie: btw, I didn't touch CAS url assembly too much, we have to refactor that when going to 1.9 anyway (there is some nice href() stuff).
2009-09-01T12:39:22  <ThomasWaldmann> LiaoJie: after you tested the stuff, you could change the wiki page to link to the repo version:
2009-09-01T12:39:39  <ThomasWaldmann> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.8/file/tip/MoinMoin/auth/cas.py (that's always the latest version in 1.8 repo)
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2009-09-01T12:41:28  <LiaoJie> good. I will test it tommorow. I should go now. bye.
2009-09-01T12:41:32  <dreimark> josef_: I have changed the code into an action because a wikiadmin has now two more control possibilities
2009-09-01T12:41:42  <dreimark> a) he can use actions_excluded
2009-09-01T12:42:12  <dreimark> b) he can add a 3rd party plugin or choose between different drawing_actions given by moin
2009-09-01T12:42:46  <ThomasWaldmann> LiaoJie: cu :)
2009-09-01T12:43:18  <josef_> Whats the advantage to use actions over using a macro?
2009-09-01T12:43:46  <josef_> dreimark: I mean : a user also has to use a macro to have the svg editor
2009-09-01T12:44:28  <dreimark> he can but also he can use {{drawing:example}}
2009-09-01T12:44:43  <ThomasWaldmann> you don't need to put something on some page to call an action, you can just generate a link to it
2009-09-01T12:47:18  <josef_> but if I have for example four svg pictures on a page, why should I use an action over a macro?
2009-09-01T12:48:28  <ThomasWaldmann> you want link/transclusion markup
2009-09-01T12:48:36  <ThomasWaldmann> and that internall can link to an action
2009-09-01T12:48:42  <ThomasWaldmann> ..y
2009-09-01T12:49:23  <ThomasWaldmann> you don't call that action from the menu, nor do you want to put macros for all your drawings
2009-09-01T12:53:31  <josef_> so what would be the new wiki markup for including an image as an action?
2009-09-01T13:02:24  <josef_> the same as before? the only difference is now, that the backend uses different code for handling the markup (action instead of macro). Isn't it?
2009-09-01T13:03:32  <ThomasWaldmann> that markup doesn't change, it just internally generates an url to the action
2009-09-01T13:04:09  <ThomasWaldmann> it is just a minor change to have it more modular, pluggable
2009-09-01T13:04:31  <ThomasWaldmann> "Opera now includes the ability to update itself automatically when new releases become available."
2009-09-01T13:04:46  <ThomasWaldmann> windows is such a pain
2009-09-01T13:05:00  <ThomasWaldmann> every tool has its own auto updater...
2009-09-01T13:06:20  <josef_> thats a feature
2009-09-01T13:06:54  * ThomasWaldmann rather likes apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
2009-09-01T13:07:11  <TheSheep> each program should come with its own version of a complete operating system
2009-09-01T13:07:21  <josef_> which gui do you use for mercurial on ubuntu? please don't say that you are only working with the terminal
2009-09-01T13:07:24  <TheSheep> because the defaults suck :)
2009-09-01T13:07:27  <josef_> pf
2009-09-01T13:07:32  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: hehe, you mean Adobe Reader? :P
2009-09-01T13:07:48  <TheSheep> josef_: ...
2009-09-01T13:07:53  <ThomasWaldmann> "i am working on a shell" :)
2009-09-01T13:08:36  <ThomasWaldmann> josef_: but eclipse has some hg plugin. not sure whether it works.
2009-09-01T13:08:53  <TheSheep> and pida has one too
2009-09-01T13:09:00  <TheSheep> and I think there is a plugin for nautilus
2009-09-01T13:10:56  <ThomasWaldmann> josef_: i am also using mc (midnight commander) a lot. if you are used to "* commander" since quite some years, that really speeds up working.
2009-09-01T13:17:43  <ThomasWaldmann> brb
2009-09-01T13:23:56  <josef_> NetBeans IDE has integrated support for mercurial
2009-09-01T14:02:54  <ThomasWaldmann> moinmo.in last month: 55GB
2009-09-01T14:11:46  * ThomasWaldmann added a http monitoring for the new moinmo.in server
2009-09-01T14:24:02  <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
2009-09-01T14:54:57  <dreimark> re
2009-09-01T14:56:07  <dreimark> josef_: me uses eclipse with meclipse and pydev
2009-09-01T14:56:48  <dreimark> and often I use vim with python.vim too
2009-09-01T14:58:27  <dreimark> josef_: the drawing syntax hasn't changed you now just can control which drawing action is called by using this markup
2009-09-01T14:59:24  <dreimark> TheSheep: I suggested to call FF as plugin of IE
2009-09-01T15:07:32  <dreimark> josef_: I suggest after looking at the functionality of the current "demo" AnyWikiDraw.jar of 1.9 add a FR with topics you want to work on
2009-09-01T15:08:42  <dreimark> so that I myself can also claim some of the tasks and we don't do twice the save work
2009-09-01T15:08:54  <dreimark> s/save/same/
2009-09-01T15:35:02  <josef_> ok. I'll name it ... NewImageEditor ?
2009-09-01T15:35:15  <dreimark> ok
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2009-09-01T17:10:24  <dreimark> josef__: I've added the parts which I think first have to be done
2009-09-01T17:12:46  <dreimark> can you add your wishes and claim them by (JM)
2009-09-01T18:18:56  <josef__> ok
2009-09-01T18:19:39  <josef__> I created a ppk file (SSH keys) under windows a few weeks ago. Can I use this also on linux so I can push my commits to the online repo?
2009-09-01T18:20:20  <dreimark> yes
2009-09-01T18:20:41  <josef__> I used puttygen to create a public and a private key out of it. ok?
2009-09-01T18:20:49  <josef__> out of the ppk file
2009-09-01T18:21:10  <dreimark> I think that works, but I have no experience with that
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2009-09-01T19:07:09  <dreimark> josef__: me gets by ant test 100 errors, does this work for your setup?
2009-09-01T19:09:50  <TheSheep> dreimark: ?
2009-09-01T19:11:04  <dreimark> TheSheep: I try to rebuild the stuff from anywikidraw in moin-1.9/contrib/AnyWikiDraw/AnyWikiDraw
2009-09-01T19:12:11  <TheSheep> 14:59 < dreimark> TheSheep: I suggested to call FF as plugin of IE
2009-09-01T19:12:45  <dreimark> ah, another joke embed firefox in ie as plugin
2009-09-01T19:13:07  <TheSheep> it has been done, I think
2009-09-01T19:13:13  <TheSheep> and the other way around too
2009-09-01T19:14:38  <dreimark> hmm interesting we should require that if it works for ie users
2009-09-01T19:17:13  <TheSheep> ie users use it mostly because they didn't have to install anything
2009-09-01T19:26:44  <dreimark> ant -f build-for-twiki.xml applet.jar -Dplatforms.JDK_1.6.home=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun
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2009-09-01T19:27:04  <dreimark> now he is gone
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2009-09-01T20:18:48  <JosefMeier> brb
2009-09-01T20:22:40  <ThomasWaldmann> re
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2009-09-01T20:40:26  <LotekThirteen> moinmoin
2009-09-01T20:40:32  <dreimark> re
2009-09-01T20:40:37  <dreimark> moin LotekThirteen
2009-09-01T20:40:46  <LotekThirteen> just wanted to try out the latest 1.9 release from hg
2009-09-01T20:40:55  <LotekThirteen> hi dreimark
2009-09-01T20:41:17  <LotekThirteen> receive an error while installing "package directory 'MoinMoin/support/xapwrap' does not exist"
2009-09-01T20:41:36  <LotekThirteen> but I was reading that xapwrap is out and xappy will do the job :-)
2009-09-01T20:42:21  <ThomasWaldmann> oops
2009-09-01T20:42:22  <LotekThirteen> is a bug or should I contine to setup the wiki on my test box?
2009-09-01T20:42:29  <ThomasWaldmann> wait a sec
2009-09-01T20:42:40  <LotekThirteen> I did also some manualy install of xappy (from the google page) but doesn't help..
2009-09-01T20:42:49  <LotekThirteen> ThomasWaldmann: sure
2009-09-01T20:45:00  <CIA-34> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5073:31acc64360d0 1.9/MoinMoin/web/static/htdocs/index.html: make index.html more useful, that redirect was confusing at best and rarely worked right.
2009-09-01T20:45:03  <CIA-34> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5074:4e18a63ff298 1.9/setup.py: setup.py: replace xapwrap by xappy
2009-09-01T20:45:05  <CIA-34> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5075:a28ac21a0bd2 1.9/MoinMoin/web/static/htdocs/index.html: merge local changes
2009-09-01T20:45:12  <ThomasWaldmann> LotekThirteen: ^^
2009-09-01T20:45:32  <LotekThirteen> ok, will try
2009-09-01T20:47:12  <LotekThirteen> is anyway the xappy tar from google need or not?
2009-09-01T20:47:52  <LotekThirteen> ThomasWaldmann: no error while setup.py install, thx
2009-09-01T20:48:09  <dreimark> LotekThirteen: no we have it in support
2009-09-01T20:50:11  <LotekThirteen> dreimark: does it matter if I have installed it before?
2009-09-01T20:51:08  <dreimark> no, because of the search path
2009-09-01T20:51:11  <ThomasWaldmann> it is the same anyway
2009-09-01T20:52:23  <LotekThirteen> ok
2009-09-01T21:01:09  <ThomasWaldmann> HAM's "Is Python ready for the Enterprise?" ftw
2009-09-01T21:01:26  <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm, wrong chan
2009-09-01T21:02:18  <dreimark> hehe
2009-09-01T21:28:15  <LotekThirteen> test installation running but can't configure xapian index... hmm
2009-09-01T21:28:35  <LotekThirteen> SystemInfo shows: <<SystemInfo: execution failed [No module named queryparser] (see also the log)>>
2009-09-01T21:29:08  <LotekThirteen> and "moin --config-dir=/home/moinmoin/config --wiki-url=mywiki index build add"
2009-09-01T21:29:17  <LotekThirteen> get "ImportError: No module named queryparser"
2009-09-01T21:29:49  <ThomasWaldmann> --mode=add
2009-09-01T21:30:13  <ThomasWaldmann> and i guess i have to add some more pathes to setup.py
2009-09-01T21:31:18  <LotekThirteen> ThomasWaldmann: same error; interesting is that SystemInfo shows a simulary error message about the queryparser
2009-09-01T21:31:54  <dreimark> LotekThirteen: setup.py pathes needs to be fixed
2009-09-01T21:32:02  <CIA-34> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5076:9ceece3ef751 1.9/setup.py: setup.py: added missing MoinMoin.search.* packages
2009-09-01T21:32:02  <dreimark> I guess thomas is doing currently
2009-09-01T21:36:22  <LotekThirteen> ThomasWaldmann: SystemInfo shows now: <<SystemInfo: execution failed [cannot import name XapianSearch] (see also the log)>>
2009-09-01T21:38:55  <ThomasWaldmann> LotekThirteen: did you re-run the current setup.py?
2009-09-01T21:39:18  <LotekThirteen> ThomasWaldmann: yep; just copied the setup.py from hg and did python setup.py install --force
2009-09-01T21:39:28  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm
2009-09-01T21:39:58  <LotekThirteen> building the index with --mode add works first (finding the mywiki and config stuff), but now it shows always: 2009-09-01 21:39:49,390 WARNING MoinMoin.search:53 Slow moin search is used because the Xapian index does not exist. You should create it using the moin index build command.
2009-09-01T21:42:01  <CIA-34> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5077:1a6bf72f4587 1.9/MoinMoin/macro/SystemInfo.py: fix SystemInfo's XapianSearch import
2009-09-01T21:42:43  <ThomasWaldmann> LotekThirteen: did you run it as the moin uid?
2009-09-01T21:43:59  <LotekThirteen> no with sudo; will retry with the moin uid
2009-09-01T21:44:21  <ThomasWaldmann> sudo is ok, but the index needs to have correct permissions
2009-09-01T21:44:39  <ThomasWaldmann> and it also needs to access your wiki data
2009-09-01T21:44:52  <ThomasWaldmann> so using the same uid as moin usually runs as is best
2009-09-01T21:44:54  <LotekThirteen> sure in the past a did after this a chown... sure the normal wiki (without xapian) is working
2009-09-01T21:59:44  <LotekThirteen> ThomasWaldmann: about the xapian search... if I waited for 197.86 seconds this messages about slow search disaperead and after an apache restart xapian index seems to work, will test more :-)
2009-09-01T22:03:05  <LotekThirteen> bbl
2009-09-01T22:46:36  <LotekThirteen> but SystemInfo still shows: <<SystemInfo: execution failed [cannot import name XapianSearch] (see also the log)>>
2009-09-01T23:06:34  <CIA-34> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5078:37a4d53c56d1 1.9/MoinMoin/macro/SystemInfo.py: SystemInfo: fix xapian index infos
2009-09-01T23:06:37  <ThomasWaldmann> LotekThirteen: ^^
2009-09-01T23:11:02  <LotekThirteen> ThomasWaldmann: ok, SystemInfo works now., the xapian indexing process --mode=add is still a bit confusing me about the slow-search information, but will do some more tast this week.
2009-09-01T23:11:24  <LotekThirteen> need to go, bye
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