MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2009-06-28

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2009-06-28T06:38:57  <CIA-38> Alexandre Martani <amartani AT gmail DOT com> default * 5997:4f480ec36960 2.0-storage-editor-amartani/MoinMoin/items/__init__.py: Real-time editor: Item Text's modify import texts from mobwrite
2009-06-28T06:39:03  <CIA-38> Alexandre Martani <amartani AT gmail DOT com> default * 5998:2d08265ca0a6 2.0-storage-editor-amartani/MoinMoin/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Real-time editor: save and continue uses mobwrite action
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2009-06-28T10:00:27  <dreimark> moin
2009-06-28T10:26:07  <dimazest> dreimark: yes, can i use one arena for  both dicts and groups?
2009-06-28T10:26:11  <dimazest> moin!
2009-06-28T10:56:05  <dreimark> dimazest: better separate them
2009-06-28T10:58:01  <dreimark> there should be no mismatch possible
2009-06-28T11:03:13  <dimazest> dreimark: will you be tomorrow in Birningham?
2009-06-28T11:04:22  <dreimark> yes
2009-06-28T11:27:27  <dimazest> i'll be there at 11, we can meet to discuss project before sprints to spent sprint time for coding :)
2009-06-28T11:27:42  <dimazest> or will be there sprints tomorrow?
2009-06-28T11:31:56  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: and me arrives today we have to check facilities
2009-06-28T11:32:56  <dreimark> we will announce meeting points / sprint
2009-06-28T11:33:34  <dreimark> you will recognized us if you look for black shirts with the moin logo
2009-06-28T11:41:57  <dimazest> good
2009-06-28T11:43:19  <dennda> take pics
2009-06-28T11:44:21  <xorAxAx> devilsadvocate_: did you see my questions?
2009-06-28T11:45:08  <xorAxAx> devilsadvocate_: well, those lines set mail_enabled if either mail_smarthost or mail_sendmail is set
2009-06-28T11:47:43  <xorAxAx> good morning from the sprint venue
2009-06-28T12:08:43  <dreimark> hi xorAxAx how much time took the train?
2009-06-28T12:08:58  <xorAxAx> 10 min.
2009-06-28T12:09:28  <dreimark> can I pay the ticket by cash?
2009-06-28T12:09:31  <xorAxAx> yes
2009-06-28T12:09:57  <dreimark> :)
2009-06-28T12:12:15  <dreimark> see u there in some hours
2009-06-28T12:12:31  * dreimark is goint to DUS
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2009-06-28T13:55:34  <CIA-38> Christopher Denter <moin GUESSWHAT the DASH space DASH station ROUNDTHING com> default * 5965:617af1b16599 2.0-storage/MoinMoin/storage/backends/router.py: storage: RouterBackend: Refine _get_backend check
2009-06-28T13:55:37  <CIA-38> Christopher Denter <moin GUESSWHAT the DASH space DASH station ROUNDTHING com> default * 5966:b89a492b6ce0 2.0-storage/ (MoinMoin/storage/backends/router.py wikiconfig.py): storage: RouterBackend: Use a list of tuples instead of a dictionary for mapping configuration. Raise ConfigurationErrors if appropriate.
2009-06-28T13:55:40  <CIA-38> Christopher Denter <moin GUESSWHAT the DASH space DASH station ROUNDTHING com> default * 5967:b4e5e541d03f 2.0-storage/MoinMoin/storage/backends/router.py: storage: RouterBackend: Fix has_item
2009-06-28T13:55:41  <CIA-38> Christopher Denter <moin GUESSWHAT the DASH space DASH station ROUNDTHING com> default * 5968:aefd546e32f4 2.0-storage/MoinMoin/storage/backends/router.py: storage: RouterBackend: There's no default backend anymore
2009-06-28T13:55:43  <CIA-38> Christopher Denter <moin GUESSWHAT the DASH space DASH station ROUNDTHING com> default * 5969:392db4980a84 2.0-storage/MoinMoin/storage/_tests/test_backends_router.py: storage: RouterBackend: Fix tests
2009-06-28T13:55:46  <CIA-38> Christopher Denter <moin GUESSWHAT the DASH space DASH station ROUNDTHING com> default * 5970:3a4bd1d8b8af 2.0-storage/MoinMoin/storage/_tests/test_backends_router.py: storage: RouterBackend: Add simple test case for incorrect config
2009-06-28T16:19:16  <devilsadvocate_> xorAxAx: yes, i saw them. going with the ini files. as for the class interaction, i'm going to inherit from ConfigFunctionality, and change the DefaultConfig to inherit from AdminConfig (name may change) instead. AdminConfig reads the ini file and changes the appropriate self.field. the changes are thus sent down to defaultconfig, which is what wikiconfig.py and farmconfig.py will inherit from
2009-06-28T16:22:46  <devilsadvocate_> xorAxAx: the first line does that, the second does nothing (as far as i can tell). i also had a few other small questions about multiconfig.ConfigFunctionality, will discuss it when you are otherwise unoccupied
2009-06-28T16:23:19  <xorAxAx> devilsadvocate_: the second line is equivalent to bool(...)
2009-06-28T16:23:34  <devilsadvocate_> but the first line will set the value to bool anyway
2009-06-28T16:23:40  <xorAxAx> no
2009-06-28T16:23:41  <devilsadvocate_> wont it?
2009-06-28T16:23:42  <devilsadvocate_> hm
2009-06-28T16:25:24  <devilsadvocate_> ah
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2009-06-28T17:52:26  <xorAxAx> amartani: devilsadvocate_ dennda dimazest dreimark ThomasWaldmann waldi meeting soon
2009-06-28T17:53:10  <xorAxAx> i want to emphasize again that the first part of the meeting is only used to synchronize everybody. specific questions should be delayed until the second part
2009-06-28T17:57:00  <waldi> well
2009-06-28T17:57:09  <waldi> xorAxAx: will you leading the meeting?
2009-06-28T17:57:22  <xorAxAx> yes
2009-06-28T17:57:28  <waldi> okay
2009-06-28T17:59:58  <xorAxAx> amartani: devilsadvocate_ dennda dimazest dreimark ThomasWaldmann waldi: -- good evening, the meeting started. i am not sure if all mentors are currently here, some are travelling to europython. nevertheless they will read your messages in backlog and might work out questions later on
2009-06-28T18:00:22  <xorAxAx> please paste your 3 or more lines now, dennda may start
2009-06-28T18:01:21  <xorAxAx> dennda doesnt seem to be here. students, you may now simply paste your 3 or more lines if you are here
2009-06-28T18:01:32  <dimazest> LAST: datastruct module was introduced. It consists groups and dicts, related code was updated.
2009-06-28T18:01:35  <dimazest> NEXT: config_dicts backend
2009-06-28T18:01:37  <dimazest> BLOCKERS: no
2009-06-28T18:01:58  <xorAxAx> what is the config_dicts backend, dimazest?
2009-06-28T18:02:39  <dimazest> xorAxAx: dicts may be defined not only on wikipages, but in a configuration file
2009-06-28T18:02:51  <xorAxAx> ah, ok
2009-06-28T18:02:56  <xorAxAx> ok, next one please
2009-06-28T18:03:33  <xorAxAx> amartani, dennda, devilsadvocate_: are you with us?
2009-06-28T18:03:45  <amartani> yes
2009-06-28T18:04:19  <xorAxAx> amartani: so please paste
2009-06-28T18:04:28  <amartani> LAST: Store editors' information on Item's metadata, display they on history. Made modify method take text from mobwrite, so the client doesn't need to upload all the text again.
2009-06-28T18:04:34  <amartani> NEXT: Make it possible to choose between regular editor and mobwrite.
2009-06-28T18:04:43  <amartani> BLOQUERS: Can't contact mobwrite devs, and some of next features of mobwrite would be useful.
2009-06-28T18:04:48  <devilsadvocate_> just got in. sorry
2009-06-28T18:05:14  <xorAxAx> amartani: there was an issue at the last meeting, did you solve it?
2009-06-28T18:05:35  <xorAxAx> is your mentor satisfied with your amount of work, amartani?
2009-06-28T18:06:36  <amartani> xorAxAx: I couldn't reproduce the ctrl+c bug, and I searched through the code for possible reasons, but couldn't find it. The other issues are solved.
2009-06-28T18:06:53  <xorAxAx> nice!
2009-06-28T18:08:21  <xorAxAx> 18:05:35 < xorAxAx> is your mentor satisfied with your amount of work, amartani?
2009-06-28T18:08:24  <xorAxAx> waldi:
2009-06-28T18:09:59  <xorAxAx> devilsadvocate_: you may already paste your lines
2009-06-28T18:10:03  <xorAxAx> dennda: are you with us?
2009-06-28T18:10:18  <devilsadvocate_> LAST : Done with the class structure and such. I know how most of the code will interact with core moin code. Looked at all the relevant moin classes. (unless something new/bad comes up). Working on the installer (lots of uncomitted code at the moment.. its not PEP8 compliant) and should be done soon. (done as in can be called from command line with arguments, and can generate some html, not all of it)
2009-06-28T18:10:18  <devilsadvocate_> NEXT : Finish working on the installer. Get it to the stage where it will work via html alone. Build the hooks into the moin core (insert the additional classes). Work out ini file format, contents.
2009-06-28T18:10:21  <devilsadvocate_> BLOCKERS : Some minor questions about moin code (ex. how does CacheClass work).
2009-06-28T18:10:51  <xorAxAx> devilsadvocate_: and please pep8ify your method names as i said
2009-06-28T18:11:06  <devilsadvocate_> xorAxAx: can you give me an example :(
2009-06-28T18:11:08  <amartani> xorAxAx: Probably not. I should talk more to him, sorry, I am not very confortable in talking on IRC. I'm trying to write more to my diary.
2009-06-28T18:11:42  <xorAxAx> devilsadvocate_: camelcase method names are not pep8
2009-06-28T18:11:53  <xorAxAx> amartani: why arent you comfortable?
2009-06-28T18:14:28  <devilsadvocate_> xorAxAx: but hungarian method isnt suggested either. i'm using someThingLikeThis
2009-06-28T18:14:38  * devilsadvocate_ checks if he mistyped somewhere
2009-06-28T18:15:26  <amartani> xorAxAx: I am a bit shy, and my English is not very good.
2009-06-28T18:16:40  <xorAxAx> amartani: come on, your english is good
2009-06-28T18:16:50  <xorAxAx> you will need to talk in your job as well
2009-06-28T18:16:59  <xorAxAx> devilsadvocate_: see pep8
2009-06-28T18:17:14  <xorAxAx> devilsadvocate_: it says with underscores
2009-06-28T18:17:45  <devilsadvocate_> xorAxAx: http://moinmo.in/CodingStyle disagrees :\
2009-06-28T18:18:23  <xorAxAx> where does it?
2009-06-28T18:18:24  <devilsadvocate_> xorAxAx: in 'The long version", 3rd bullet, last sentence
2009-06-28T18:18:46  <xorAxAx> hungarian means prefixing the type name
2009-06-28T18:18:50  <devilsadvocate_> oh
2009-06-28T18:19:04  <devilsadvocate_> ok, i'll change all the method names now
2009-06-28T18:19:06  <devilsadvocate_> sorry
2009-06-28T18:19:25  <xorAxAx> so we are done with the first part of the meeting except for dennda. i havent seen any questions. i would like to ask dennda to paste his lines when he arrives and now free chat is open again
2009-06-28T18:19:34  <xorAxAx> thank you for your attendance
2009-06-28T18:20:20  <amartani> xorAxAx: I know, I had a summer job (in our summer, jan/feb) and my co-workers also said this to me.
2009-06-28T18:26:53  <devilsadvocate_> xorAxAx: if you have some time i was wondering if you could tell me how CacheClass works
2009-06-28T18:27:39  <devilsadvocate_> wont the class that instantiates CacheClass stick around as long as the Class itself exists?
2009-06-28T18:27:59  <devilsadvocate_> why do they have to be in a separate object altogether (the cached things)
2009-06-28T18:30:18  <xorAxAx> in which module is it?
2009-06-28T18:30:35  <devilsadvocate_> multiconfig
2009-06-28T18:30:59  <devilsadvocate_> ConfigFunctionality creates a cache object, which is just a container with nothing of its own
2009-06-28T18:31:31  <devilsadvocate_> and then the things that seem to be time consuming are stores there (compiled regexs, acls)
2009-06-28T18:31:38  <xorAxAx> thats just for clarity, the separate class
2009-06-28T18:31:50  <devilsadvocate_> ah, ok
2009-06-28T19:17:11  <dennda> argh!"§!$
2009-06-28T19:17:30  <dennda> I'm sorry, I totally forgot
2009-06-28T19:17:36  * dennda adds a reminder to his schedule
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2009-06-28T19:40:56  <dennda> LAST: Sent a mail to the moin list in order to get feedback for our privilege decisions. Started work on the routingbackend in the interim.
2009-06-28T19:41:09  <dennda> NEXT: Finnish routing backend
2009-06-28T19:41:16  <dennda> BLOCKERS: None
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2009-06-28T21:24:28  <ThomasWaldmann> re
2009-06-28T21:24:32  <dreimark> greetings from birmingham
2009-06-28T21:25:12  <dreimark> xorAxAx: wifi works outside of conservatoire
2009-06-28T22:01:54  <dreimark> g
2009-06-28T22:01:54  <dreimark> gn
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2009-06-28T23:15:26  <dreimark> re
2009-06-28T23:56:10  <dreimark> gn