MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2009-06-03

2009-06-03T00:02:32  <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: still around?
2009-06-03T00:02:41  <ThomasWaldmann> yes
2009-06-03T00:03:08  <dennda> any other pros/cons for trashbin?
2009-06-03T00:09:14  <ThomasWaldmann> better itemlist performance
2009-06-03T00:14:02  <ThomasWaldmann> con: stuff moves away from its place
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2009-06-03T00:32:01  <dennda> ok
2009-06-03T00:32:14  <dennda> pro / con for empty body and deleted flag?
2009-06-03T00:32:25  <dennda> pro: KISS
2009-06-03T00:33:06  <dennda> con: more expensive but not too expensive deleted lookup (deleted flag on the item)
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2009-06-03T00:45:50  <TheSheep> I thik the fact that stuff moves out of the way when deleted is intuitive
2009-06-03T00:46:13  <TheSheep> people are used to trash on their desktops
2009-06-03T00:46:26  <TheSheep> which is like a different namespace
2009-06-03T00:49:35  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: i guess hg works differently internally
2009-06-03T00:50:09  <ThomasWaldmann> but we also could simulate trashbin on its top
2009-06-03T00:50:22  <TheSheep> yes
2009-06-03T00:50:42  <TheSheep> or maybe moin could even use a separate backend for the trash
2009-06-03T00:51:05  <TheSheep> so you can replace it with a blackhole storage, or something that only keeps the pages for some time
2009-06-03T00:51:35  <TheSheep> of course, I'm running before the caravan here
2009-06-03T00:53:00  <ThomasWaldmann> avoid tunnels
2009-06-03T00:53:37  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, was your ca trip already?
2009-06-03T00:55:29  <TheSheep> yeah
2009-06-03T00:55:46  <TheSheep> it's 15:55 here
2009-06-03T00:56:11  <ThomasWaldmann> ah, you are still there. how's LA? :)
2009-06-03T00:56:23  <dennda> rainy if he's inside ;)
2009-06-03T00:56:44  <TheSheep> it's actually pretty mild compared to what I expected
2009-06-03T00:57:31  <ThomasWaldmann> it's water-cooled :)
2009-06-03T02:28:44  <CIA-19> Alexandre Martani <amartani AT gmail DOT com> default * 5889:5f30ec6758dc 2.0-storage-editor-amartani/MoinMoin/action/mobwrite.py: Real-time editor: Catch exception when connection to mobwrite is refused
2009-06-03T02:35:42  <amartani> hi..
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2009-06-03T08:40:37  <dreimark> moin
2009-06-03T08:43:02  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2009-06-03T08:57:08  <dreimark> dimazest: what is the usecase for no default backend group definition?
2009-06-03T08:59:28  <dreimark> log should be added to mimetype text
2009-06-03T09:03:53  <ThomasWaldmann> amartani: except: is evil
2009-06-03T09:04:38  <ThomasWaldmann> amartani: so please use it only in well-thought-over cases
2009-06-03T09:15:08  <ronny> its called the diaper antipattern
2009-06-03T09:15:20  <ronny> cause it catches all the shit
2009-06-03T09:19:17  <ThomasWaldmann> hehe
2009-06-03T09:43:58  <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: some test_security tests are failing, they use user.may...
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2009-06-03T09:47:19  <CIA-19> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 5878:85e77f0de378 2.0-storage/MoinMoin/_tests/ (__init__.py test_wikidicts.py): tests: fix create/append_page when called with unicode, sane default for page mimetype, skip test that fills test output with lots of crap
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2009-06-03T10:32:51  <dimazest> dreimark: when no group_backend specified, wiki_page is used, then it is compatible with 1.8 configs
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2009-06-03T10:36:18  <johill> ThomasWaldmann: for all I care you can blow all the google money on server hardware or whatever
2009-06-03T10:46:57  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: it's mentors money. but you can edit the wiki page telling your decision.
2009-06-03T10:47:16  <ThomasWaldmann> it will be rather server rental then.
2009-06-03T10:48:08  <ThomasWaldmann> 350 eur = ~ 5m
2009-06-03T10:51:51  <johill> that's not too bad, three people well cover a year then
2009-06-03T10:54:03  <johill> I suspect I'm just too lazy to bill you and all that, and I can't say I actually need that money :)
2009-06-03T10:55:18  <ThomasWaldmann> intel pays better I guess :D
2009-06-03T10:55:55  <ThomasWaldmann> (and faster)
2009-06-03T10:56:35  <johill> heh
2009-06-03T10:59:09  <johill> I guess I'll defer my decision until there are more options or something, since I take it you can't actually just sit on the money either
2009-06-03T11:03:36  <ThomasWaldmann> sure, you're subscribed to that page, so you'll get informed
2009-06-03T11:03:40  <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
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2009-06-03T11:57:30  <dennda> hi johill :-)
2009-06-03T12:20:57  <CIA-19> Dmitrijs Milajevs <dimazest@gmail.com> default * 4759:cee722c2097c 1.9-groups-dmilajevs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Groups2009: wikiconfig_groups.py is used for the groups-related configuration instead of altering wikiconfig.py in _tests.
2009-06-03T13:07:26  <ThomasWaldmann> dimazest: why?
2009-06-03T13:12:20  <dimazest> ThomasWaldmann: dreimark asked me to do so
2009-06-03T13:12:41  <ThomasWaldmann> well, anyway, there was a reasion I guess
2009-06-03T13:12:51  <dimazest> have i understood him wrong?
2009-06-03T13:13:41  <dimazest> ThomasWaldmann: later it will be easier to create snippet from this config
2009-06-03T13:14:00  <dimazest> btw, is it done in the right way?
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2009-06-03T13:52:57  <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: Only one failing test_security test here, and that's due to create_page's brokenness
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2009-06-03T15:26:30  <CIA-19> Christopher Denter <moin GUESSWHAT the DASH space DASH station ROUNDTHING com> default * 5879:e0591afe4e54 2.0-storage/MoinMoin/ (items/__init__.py storage/backends/acl.py):
2009-06-03T15:26:30  <CIA-19> storage: Fix AclWrappedNewRevision. The former getattr/setattr implementation
2009-06-03T15:26:30  <CIA-19> was broken. We now just pass it on instead of taking another objects method and
2009-06-03T15:26:30  <CIA-19> patching it onto the AMWNR (which of course fails because the AMWNR doesn't know
2009-06-03T15:26:32  <CIA-19> the specific NR's implementation
2009-06-03T15:26:34  <CIA-19> Christopher Denter <moin GUESSWHAT the DASH space DASH station ROUNDTHING com> default * 5880:cd4f14eb8854 2.0-storage/MoinMoin/_tests/ (__init__.py test_wikidicts.py): merge remote 2.0-storage
2009-06-03T15:28:29  <CIA-19> Christopher Denter <moin GUESSWHAT the DASH space DASH station ROUNDTHING com> default * 5881:49297e6cb99e 2.0-storage/MoinMoin/items/__init__.py: storage: PEP8 fix
2009-06-03T15:33:16  <dennda> ah I now see what you mean
2009-06-03T15:34:26  <dreimark> hmm?
2009-06-03T15:34:59  <dennda> failing test_security tests
2009-06-03T15:35:06  <dreimark> dimazest: do you have seen my question about expandif of Grouppages ?
2009-06-03T15:35:16  <dreimark> s/if/ing/
2009-06-03T15:35:30  <dimazest> yes
2009-06-03T15:35:41  <dimazest> i've seen it
2009-06-03T15:37:32  <dimazest> i'll add tests for it, and if needed add this functionality
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2009-06-03T16:21:57  <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: replacing the may is not as easy as one might think
2009-06-03T16:22:26  <dennda> when the user object is constructed, it'd require the presence of data_backend already
2009-06-03T16:22:36  <dennda> However, the AMW is constructed afterwards.
2009-06-03T16:22:52  <dennda> And you can't just swap that since the AMW itself needs the user already
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2009-06-03T16:37:08  <waldi> ThomasWaldmann: tiny problem, apache license v2 is considered incompatible with the gpl2
2009-06-03T16:42:31  <dreimark> dimazest: this functionality is needed
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2009-06-03T18:22:50  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: dennda xorAxAx devilsadvocate_ waldi amartani dimazest: We should start planning a weekly meeting. Last year I believe it was  7CEST pm on tuesday. What do you suggest?
2009-06-03T18:23:50  * dennda hates meetings
2009-06-03T18:24:05  <dimazest> dennda: :)
2009-06-03T18:24:38  <dimazest> dreimark: this time is fine with me
2009-06-03T18:25:13  * dimazest needs to test that program
2009-06-03T18:30:55  <dreimark> testIsExpired of test_lock.py in 1.9 fails currently for me and the package test.
2009-06-03T18:33:14  <dimazest> dreimark: MoinMoin/util/_tests/test_lock.py:80: TestExclusiveLock.testIsExpired PASS
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2009-06-03T19:28:27  <CIA-19> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 4741:ab70e33b037c 1.9/MoinMoin/_tests/test_packages.py: test_packages: specified title search
2009-06-03T19:29:46  <dreimark> strange, now a fresh test wiki gives http://paste.pocoo.org/show/120849/
2009-06-03T19:30:45  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: testTitleSearchNegativeTerm fails now, the locking problem was gone after rebuild of the testwiki
2009-06-03T19:40:58  <dreimark> amartani: if I try two browsers I get a AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'filename'
2009-06-03T19:41:18  <dreimark> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/120851/
2009-06-03T19:45:56  <dreimark> ehem, thje mobwrite was not running
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2009-06-03T19:47:20  <dreimark> amartani: how fast can it be synced?
2009-06-03T19:49:19  <dimazest> is there any need to write 'assert result is True' not 'assert result'?
2009-06-03T19:51:14  <dreimark> depend what result could be
2009-06-03T19:51:30  <dreimark> result = 1
2009-06-03T19:54:37  <dreimark> amartani: if one cance's editing there should be no content store
2009-06-03T19:54:42  <dreimark> +d
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2009-06-03T19:56:00  <dreimark> hi PawelPacana
2009-06-03T20:03:04  <dreimark> htg
2009-06-03T20:14:11  <TheSheep> \o/
2009-06-03T20:30:20  <CIA-19> Dmitrijs Milajevs <dimazest@gmail.com> default * 4760:4634eaf01ed4 1.9-groups-dmilajevs/MoinMoin/groups/backends/_tests/test_wiki_group.py: Groups2009: wiki_group test refinements. lower_case_with_underscores for method names. ACL related tests were added. Test for recursive groups definitions.
2009-06-03T20:50:34  <CIA-19> Dmitrijs Milajevs <dimazest@gmail.com> default * 4762:d89ff2851ade 1.9-groups-dmilajevs/MoinMoin/_tests/test_packages.py: Groups2009: merge with 1.9
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2009-06-03T21:26:48  <CIA-19> Dmitrijs Milajevs <dimazest@gmail.com> default * 4763:df833ab68df2 1.9-groups-dmilajevs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Groups2009: MoinMoin.wikidicts module and its tests were removed. CHANGES.dmilajevs was updated.
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2009-06-03T21:39:16  <CIA-19> Christopher Denter <moin GUESSWHAT the DASH space DASH station ROUNDTHING com> default * 5882:7395074a303c 2.0-storage/MoinMoin/storage/backends/sqla.py: storage: Started working on SQLABackend out of curiosity. Highly unstable, of course.
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2009-06-03T23:55:48  <amartani> moin
2009-06-03T23:56:39  <ThomasWaldmann> hi amartani
2009-06-03T23:57:41  <amartani> dreimark: about cancel editing, there is the problem of one cancel at the same time someone else is editing...