MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2009-05-13

2009-05-13T09:00:22  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
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2009-05-13T18:46:14  <ThomasWaldmann> I always wondered about moin's current way of just bundling 3rd party modules, whether it is maybe a bit too primitive.
2009-05-13T18:47:05  <ThomasWaldmann> But today I tried for half a day to make an umaintained 1.5y old python application work again, using easy_install, virtualenv, etc.
2009-05-13T18:47:18  <ThomasWaldmann> It was a total PITA.
2009-05-13T18:47:52  <TheSheep> hehe
2009-05-13T18:48:59  <dennda> why exactly?
2009-05-13T18:49:25  <dennda> as long as the old versions of the 3rd party modules are still available you can easily install them with easy_install
2009-05-13T18:50:18  <TheSheep> in theory, theory is the same as practice :)
2009-05-13T18:50:33  <dennda> :-)
2009-05-13T18:51:07  <ThomasWaldmann> PIL didn't install at all that way, and the other libs installed in newer and incompatible versions
2009-05-13T18:51:23  <ThomasWaldmann> and some fell even over their own dependencies
2009-05-13T18:51:51  <ThomasWaldmann> and PasteScript requires Cheetah? WTF?
2009-05-13T18:52:01  <dennda> easy_install accepts links to tarballs and the like, and you can directly specify a version as in easy_install Django==0.96
2009-05-13T18:52:17  <dennda> but yeah
2009-05-13T18:52:27  <dennda> if those modules are f'cked up, you're screwed :-)
2009-05-13T18:52:37  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, some stuff was specified with >=. I'll retry with ==.
2009-05-13T18:53:00  <dennda> or provide a link to the tarball in question if you have one
2009-05-13T18:53:09  <dennda> easy_install accepts quite a lot of things afair
2009-05-13T18:53:32  <TheSheep> .oO(in case)
2009-05-13T18:53:42  * TheSheep hates setuptools
2009-05-13T18:53:45  <dennda> might be easier to bundle virtualenv and provide a bootstrap script
2009-05-13T18:53:54  <dennda> virtualenv is just one file
2009-05-13T18:54:06  <dennda> but you can't - afair - mv a virtualenv
2009-05-13T18:54:22  <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm, not?
2009-05-13T18:54:26  <dennda> just try
2009-05-13T18:54:34  <dennda> didn't work when I tried (quite some time ago)
2009-05-13T18:54:45  <ThomasWaldmann> i just hoped to be able to. Yes, I'll try.
2009-05-13T18:55:22  <dennda> can't remember what broke exactly
2009-05-13T18:55:39  <dennda> may as well have been fixed
2009-05-13T18:55:39  <TheSheep> universe implodes. you die. DYWTHYPI?
2009-05-13T18:55:59  <dennda> do you want to ...?
2009-05-13T18:56:14  <TheSheep> have your possesions identified
2009-05-13T18:57:05  <TheSheep> http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/DYWYPI <-- I fail at remembering acronyms
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2009-05-13T19:00:48  * dennda today took a look at an exam I wrote a few weeks ago. There was a big red "WOW" with a smiley below one of the more complicated questions :D
2009-05-13T19:11:34  <ThomasWaldmann> below the question or below your answer to it? :)
2009-05-13T19:19:50  <dennda> the latter
2009-05-13T19:19:54  <dennda> it was a positive remark
2009-05-13T19:29:38  <ThomasWaldmann> http://pics.nase-bohren.de/a_whale.jpg
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2009-05-13T22:58:18  <dreimark> moin