MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2009-05-01

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2009-05-01T00:13:42  <ThomasWaldmann> http://pics.nase-bohren.de/iphone_shuffle.jpg
2009-05-01T00:45:34  <dreimark> re
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2009-05-01T00:49:26  <ThomasWaldmann> http://pics.nase-bohren.de/code_quality.jpg < haha
2009-05-01T00:49:55  <dreimark> and some new windows updates which doesn't accept out own ssl keys
2009-05-01T00:50:17  <dreimark> s/out/our/
2009-05-01T00:50:32  <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: dimazest_: devilsadvocate: ^^
2009-05-01T00:51:15  <dreimark> hehe
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2009-05-01T00:59:21  <ThomasWaldmann> amartani: http://pics.nase-bohren.de/code_quality.jpg
2009-05-01T01:01:20  <amartani> ThomasWaldmann: WTF?
2009-05-01T01:01:43  <dreimark> ehm google will give the right answer
2009-05-01T01:03:15  <dreimark> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTF top
2009-05-01T01:03:24  <ThomasWaldmann> http://thedailywtf.com/ < every developer should know this :)
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2009-05-01T01:05:58  <amartani> hehe, ok, no WTF will come from my code..
2009-05-01T01:10:05  <dreimark> amartani: do you have seen our note on your wiki page
2009-05-01T01:12:24  <dreimark> may be subscribe that page
2009-05-01T01:17:49  <amartani> dreimark: Note about contacting mobwrite devs?
2009-05-01T01:20:07  * amartani is confused..
2009-05-01T01:27:47  <dreimark> amartani: http://moinmo.in/4ct10n/subscribe/RealTimeEditing2009?action=subscribe
2009-05-01T01:27:59  <dreimark> then you get a mail if one changes your page
2009-05-01T01:28:07  <dreimark> and what confuses you?
2009-05-01T01:28:12  <dreimark> amartani: ^^
2009-05-01T01:31:17  <amartani> dreimark: Ok, subscribed.. I thought the WTF comic had something to do with the comment on my page..
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2009-05-01T01:33:01  <amartani> I sent an email to mobwrite mailing list, and Neil Fraser answered..
2009-05-01T01:33:03  <amartani> http://groups.google.com/group/mobwrite/browse_thread/thread/82c9d46fe682ca1a?hl=en
2009-05-01T01:36:36  <dreimark> sounds good. many groups are interested in MobWrite. It is now clear that bespin is based on MobWrite
2009-05-01T01:39:28  <ThomasWaldmann> amartani: good, maybe raise the topic of ui improvements
2009-05-01T01:39:46  <amartani> and they have a gedit plugin, so it should be very flexible.
2009-05-01T01:46:22  <ThomasWaldmann> i mean the web ui
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2009-05-01T11:21:59  <dreimark> if one likes to train/play a bit with macro code for moin he could try to refactor the Color2 macro from MacroMarket
2009-05-01T11:49:11  <dreimark> bbl
2009-05-01T12:06:57  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
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2009-05-01T15:22:12  <ThomasWaldmann> devilsadvocate_: did you start a project page on the wiki?
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2009-05-01T15:27:42  <devilsadvocate_> ThomasWaldmann: i did. havent put any information on it though
2009-05-01T15:27:46  * devilsadvocate_ finds the link
2009-05-01T15:28:12  <devilsadvocate_> ThomasWaldmann: http://moinmo.in/ChintalagiriShashank/AdminInterface
2009-05-01T15:33:20  <ThomasWaldmann> well, you should have a clear plan what to do when coding phase starts, otherwise you'll be wasting time then
2009-05-01T15:34:15  <ThomasWaldmann> so if you do not want us all to work on your proposal page, maybe copy&paste some of the stuff on it to a discussion/planning page
2009-05-01T15:34:57  <ThomasWaldmann> and if you want feedback, maybe have it as "AdminInterface2009" or so, because stuff below someones homepage is less like to be edited by other people
2009-05-01T15:36:01  <ThomasWaldmann> devilsadvocate_: ^^
2009-05-01T15:36:31  <ThomasWaldmann> have a look at how the Groups2009 and Storage2009 pages look like and at least do it like that
2009-05-01T15:36:42  <devilsadvocate_> ThomasWaldmann: i should put the page in / ?
2009-05-01T15:36:47  <devilsadvocate_> hm, ok
2009-05-01T15:37:30  <ThomasWaldmann> subpages below homepage are usually considered property of homepage owner and less likely to be wildly edited by many other people
2009-05-01T15:37:58  <ThomasWaldmann> so if you want community interaction, put it in global space
2009-05-01T15:38:38  <ThomasWaldmann> if you didn't do already, you should also emit some mail to the mailing list, telling who you are and what you intend to do
2009-05-01T15:39:01  <ThomasWaldmann> some people get reached better this way, while others rather read RecentChanges and wiki pages
2009-05-01T15:39:15  <devilsadvocate_> yes, i'll send out the email after fixing up the page sometime tonight
2009-05-01T15:39:15  <ThomasWaldmann> so best is to make a page and send url and some blah to the ML
2009-05-01T15:39:31  <devilsadvocate_> just got done with my exams
2009-05-01T15:40:37  <ThomasWaldmann> ah, yeah, you told it
2009-05-01T15:40:42  <ThomasWaldmann> how was it going?
2009-05-01T15:41:25  <devilsadvocate_> ah..
2009-05-01T15:41:27  <devilsadvocate_> well
2009-05-01T15:41:32  <devilsadvocate_> i'd rather not discuss it :P
2009-05-01T15:42:06  <devilsadvocate_> there was one exam, for example, where the class average was ~20%
2009-05-01T15:42:12  <devilsadvocate_> so, yeah
2009-05-01T15:42:47  <ThomasWaldmann> ugh
2009-05-01T15:43:37  <ThomasWaldmann> (hopefully the scoring gets adjusted to that :)
2009-05-01T15:44:17  <devilsadvocate_> yeah, it does. but that doesnt really help keeping the brain from frying up once every ~4 months or so
2009-05-01T15:44:36  <devilsadvocate_> sort of used to it now, though :)
2009-05-01T15:45:21  <devilsadvocate_> what is the commit policy going to be like?
2009-05-01T15:45:44  <devilsadvocate_> should i send the patch for review or should i just commit it?
2009-05-01T15:45:57  <devilsadvocate_> s/the/a
2009-05-01T15:46:12  <ThomasWaldmann> you'll get your own public repo
2009-05-01T15:46:31  <ThomasWaldmann> and due to the nature of DVCS, you'll have your own local repo anyway
2009-05-01T15:46:33  <devilsadvocate_> ok. thats better
2009-05-01T15:46:40  <devilsadvocate_> yeah
2009-05-01T15:46:52  * devilsadvocate_ wasnt quite sure because of the ssh keys etc
2009-05-01T15:47:34  <ThomasWaldmann> you should do commits like they would go to the official repo, though
2009-05-01T15:48:00  <ThomasWaldmann> because in the end, when your project succeeds, we'll just merge your changesets and they all will be 1:1 in the main repo
2009-05-01T15:48:43  <ThomasWaldmann> so clean, well commented (context free comments) commits are they way to go
2009-05-01T15:48:44  <dreimark> so please think about usefull commit sentences.
2009-05-01T15:48:44  <devilsadvocate_> i could do atomic commits on the local repo and then merge with the public repo when something big changes
2009-05-01T15:48:59  <devilsadvocate_> merge / push changeset (not sure what hg calls it :P )
2009-05-01T15:49:39  <dreimark> devilsadvocate_: we can only review your commits on the public repo
2009-05-01T15:49:48  <dreimark> so please do a push often
2009-05-01T15:49:59  <devilsadvocate_> dreimark: sure.
2009-05-01T15:50:33  <devilsadvocate_> but i wont do a push if its something like 'cleaned up whitespace' or 'fixed typo'
2009-05-01T15:50:34  <dreimark> if you have created your *2009 page. Please subscribe it
2009-05-01T15:50:37  <devilsadvocate_> typo in comment
2009-05-01T15:50:44  <devilsadvocate_> i'm doing that now
2009-05-01T15:50:48  <devilsadvocate_> (creating it)
2009-05-01T15:51:11  <dreimark> devilsadvocate_: you would run py.test before a commit
2009-05-01T15:51:33  <dreimark> so it would tell the whitespace probs
2009-05-01T15:52:20  <devilsadvocate_> the script that checks whitespace and such on the moin codebase uses py.test as well?
2009-05-01T15:52:23  * devilsadvocate_ did not know that
2009-05-01T15:52:29  <devilsadvocate_> hmm.. nice
2009-05-01T15:52:44  <dreimark> look for test_sourcecode
2009-05-01T15:52:44  * ThomasWaldmann will kill any student who regularly fails to follow the usual pre-commit practice
2009-05-01T15:53:21  <devilsadvocate_> dreimark: i know the file is there. just never opened it :)
2009-05-01T15:54:27  <dreimark> devilsadvocate_: also during your coding phase you will regulary merge the master of your repo
2009-05-01T15:54:46  <dreimark> I mean you pull from that
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2009-05-01T15:55:27  <devilsadvocate_> yes. i'm sort of used to doing that on bzr. I need to run though the hg way of doing things, but so far everythng i tried seems to be reasonably intuitive
2009-05-01T15:56:03  <dreimark> if you like to train you could refactor a macro e.g. Color2 f macromarket
2009-05-01T15:56:49  <dreimark> or add a feature to another part
2009-05-01T15:57:06  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: has mentioned a werkzeug extension
2009-05-01T15:57:28  <dreimark> dimazest_: amartani devilsadvocate_ ^^^
2009-05-01T15:58:08  <dreimark> (dennda: is already experienced)
2009-05-01T15:58:59  <devilsadvocate_> umm.. werkzeug? :|
2009-05-01T16:00:12  <devilsadvocate_> hm. ThomasWaldmann: is hg clone ssh://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9 supposed to work for me?
2009-05-01T16:00:50  <dreimark> devilsadvocate_: not sure try better cloning with http
2009-05-01T16:00:57  <dreimark> and pushing with ssh
2009-05-01T16:01:06  <devilsadvocate_> i'm doing that
2009-05-01T16:01:09  <ThomasWaldmann> devilsadvocate_: it should work, but for cloning/pulling http is enough
2009-05-01T16:01:44  <devilsadvocate_> stragne. i say permission denied (public key). I should probably check if its trying to use another key or something
2009-05-01T16:01:56  <devilsadvocate_> just wanted to make sure that its _supposed_ to work
2009-05-01T16:01:59  <ThomasWaldmann> it is hg@hg...
2009-05-01T16:02:10  <ThomasWaldmann> not yourname@hg...
2009-05-01T16:02:31  <dimazest_> dreimark: you mean train before summer?
2009-05-01T16:02:41  <dreimark> yes
2009-05-01T16:03:04  <dimazest_> what is macromarket?
2009-05-01T16:03:17  <dreimark> if you want to become familiar with mercurial and moins code base you may want to use the interim period for that
2009-05-01T16:03:35  <devilsadvocate_> ThomasWaldmann: that was the problem. silly me.
2009-05-01T16:03:40  <devilsadvocate_> thanks
2009-05-01T16:03:41  <dreimark> dimazest_: http://moinmo.in/MoinMoin/MacroMarket
2009-05-01T16:04:06  <dreimark> too much moinmoin
2009-05-01T16:04:07  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, you can also have multiple local repos for experimenting with pulling and pushing
2009-05-01T16:04:15  <dreimark> dimazest_: http://moinmo.in/MacroMarket
2009-05-01T16:04:15  <ThomasWaldmann> just to a local clone
2009-05-01T16:05:11  <dimazest_> his page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use one of the page templates.
2009-05-01T16:05:34  <dreimark> dimazest_: if something of there becomes refactored it should be done in http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/extensions/
2009-05-01T16:05:44  <dreimark> dimazest_: 16:04 < dreimark> dimazest_: http://moinmo.in/MacroMarket
2009-05-01T16:06:34  <devilsadvocate_> dreimark: refactor as in port to 1.9?
2009-05-01T16:06:46  <dreimark> yes and fixing issues
2009-05-01T16:06:53  <dreimark> or make it more pythonic
2009-05-01T16:07:05  <dreimark> or use moins libs
2009-05-01T16:07:51  <devilsadvocate_> ok
2009-05-01T16:10:21  <dreimark> just let us know if you want to train (or each other that there are no dubs)
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2009-05-01T16:12:19  <devilsadvocate_> i'll poke around, now that i am finally done with this semester
2009-05-01T16:12:39  <dreimark> ok
2009-05-01T16:12:40  <devilsadvocate_> i'll let you know on the channel if i start working ona specific component
2009-05-01T16:12:46  <dreimark> :)
2009-05-01T16:14:28  <dreimark> dimazest_: moin has lots of third party plugins they are organized in different Markets. http://moinmo.in/CategoryMarket
2009-05-01T16:14:54  <dreimark> depended on the kind of the plugin.
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2009-05-01T16:24:44  <dreimark> bbl
2009-05-01T16:32:26  <ThomasWaldmann> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9-sandbox/ < if someone wants to play with mercurial, use this. all you push to that repo will be deleted later.
2009-05-01T16:33:32  <ThomasWaldmann> (i just cloned that from moin/1.9, so if you already cloned that, just edit .hg/hgrc of a local clone)
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2009-05-01T17:04:46  <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4329:f976af4e61f1 1.8/MoinMoin/theme/__init__.py: apply msie.css only for Internet Explorer older than version 8
2009-05-01T19:39:21  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: +    @license: BSD, see COPYING for details.
2009-05-01T19:39:36  <ThomasWaldmann> but COPYING has the GPL in it :P
2009-05-01T19:39:57  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: argh, the one shipped with the other package has both
2009-05-01T19:41:08  <TheSheep> http://devel.sheep.art.pl/creole/file/e13b08d52aa6/COPYING
2009-05-01T19:43:28  <TheSheep> I suppose it's ok
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2009-05-01T21:08:37  <ThomasWaldmann> amartani: dennda: devilsadvocate: dimazest_: please make sure your mercurial and merge tools configuration is usable
2009-05-01T21:10:20  <dimazest_> ThomasWaldmann: can i push anything into the 1.9-sandbox?
2009-05-01T21:10:52  <dimazest_> to play around, especially with merging
2009-05-01T21:10:53  <ThomasWaldmann> sure
2009-05-01T21:11:12  <ThomasWaldmann> i just had a major issue with merging of binaries
2009-05-01T21:11:41  <ThomasWaldmann> (or rather choosing the right one, it didn't let me choose and just aborted the merge)
2009-05-01T21:12:09  <dimazest_> merging is hard form me
2009-05-01T21:12:18  <ThomasWaldmann> depending on your installation and configuration, it might offer you different merge-tools
2009-05-01T21:12:27  <dimazest_> i tried several time, but never finished
2009-05-01T21:12:28  <ThomasWaldmann> make sure you get something that works for you
2009-05-01T21:13:04  <ThomasWaldmann> depending on the amount you push, your linespeed and RTT, it can take a while
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2009-05-01T21:14:16  <TheSheep> hi ChanServ :)
2009-05-01T21:14:37  <TheSheep> (always greet the ops!)
2009-05-01T21:16:04  <ThomasWaldmann> :)
2009-05-01T21:16:51  * TheSheep wasted whole day lying on the grass in the sun
2009-05-01T21:17:00  <TheSheep> now I need to code
2009-05-01T21:18:25  <amartani> ok, I cloned sandbox.. just change something and try to push it?
2009-05-01T21:20:01  <dreimark> TheSheep: :)
2009-05-01T21:20:46  <dimazest_> TheSheep: i was studying all the day it's time for a party for me
2009-05-01T21:21:06  * dreimark had the party yesterday
2009-05-01T21:21:17  * TheSheep had one too
2009-05-01T21:21:33  <dimazest_> so, see you tomorrow!
2009-05-01T21:21:34  <TheSheep> and a date tomorrow
2009-05-01T21:21:36  <TheSheep> busy days
2009-05-01T21:37:55  <ThomasWaldmann> amartani: yes
2009-05-01T21:38:18  <ThomasWaldmann> it gets more interesting if multiple people do that :)
2009-05-01T21:39:45  <ThomasWaldmann> amartani: maybe add some binary test file
2009-05-01T21:43:34  <amartani> how is translation handled? I opened pt_br .po file and there is a wrong one..
2009-05-01T21:44:56  <ThomasWaldmann> fix it on master18 / master19.moinmo.in, please
2009-05-01T21:45:41  <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4711:4692e88cebb6 1.9/MoinMoin/mail/ (_tests/test_sendmail.py sendmail.py): fix sendmail.encodeAddress (do not [QP] encode blanks, do not unnecessarily use [QP] encoding for pure ascii mail addrs), fix tests
2009-05-01T21:45:46  <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4712:7d1c139a52b7 1.9/docs/CHANGES: updated CHANGES
2009-05-01T21:45:48  <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4713:f6607543762e 1.9/MoinMoin/i18n/ (43 files): updated i18n
2009-05-01T21:45:49  <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4714:b6eb90ca4128 1.9/docs/INSTALL.html: make install-docs interwiki
2009-05-01T21:45:51  <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4715:913bb9697449 1.9/ (12 files in 9 dirs): preparing 1.8.3 release: bumping version numbers, added dummy mig script
2009-05-01T21:45:52  <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4716:f25e6286fe13 1.9/wiki/underlay.tar: updated underlay
2009-05-01T21:45:55  <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4717:45fef2367628 1.9/.hgtags: tagged release 1.8.3
2009-05-01T21:45:59  <CIA-36> Radomir Dopieralski <moindev@sheep.art.pl> default * 4718:634ed3db8df4 1.9/MoinMoin/parser/ (_creole.py _tests/test_text_creole.py): (log message trimmed)
2009-05-01T21:46:02  <CIA-36> creole parser: Add second license: BSD, fix spaces in multiline elements.
2009-05-01T21:46:04  <CIA-36> Because the parser eats line endings, multi-line elements such as paragraphs
2009-05-01T21:46:06  <CIA-36> were adding an extra space at the end of each line, so that the lines were not
2009-05-01T21:46:08  <CIA-36> glued together. This resulted in gratuitous spaces just before closing tags
2009-05-01T21:46:10  <CIA-36> of pragraphs. In addtion, multiline list elements didn't add the extra spaces
2009-05-01T21:46:12  <CIA-36> at all, so the lines *were* glued together. This bugfix makes the parser add
2009-05-01T21:46:14  <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4719:f976af4e61f1 1.9/MoinMoin/theme/__init__.py: apply msie.css only for Internet Explorer older than version 8
2009-05-01T21:46:17  <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4720:9a26c69ccf5a 1.9/ (62 files in 16 dirs): merged moin/1.8
2009-05-01T21:50:06  <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4330:4d2bc24c7723 1.8/MoinMoin/theme/__init__.py: fix typo in IE conditional comment
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