MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2009-04-07

2009-04-07T00:18:16  <dreimark> \o/ success
2009-04-07T00:18:26  <grzywacz> ;]
2009-04-07T00:18:30  <dreimark> grzywacz: and a bug
2009-04-07T00:18:32  <grzywacz> that did take some time
2009-04-07T00:18:34  <dreimark> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/111376/
2009-04-07T00:18:44  <dreimark> grzywacz: yeah that was too differen tfor me
2009-04-07T00:18:49  <dreimark> and pidgin is broken
2009-04-07T00:18:58  <grzywacz> It is.
2009-04-07T00:19:13  <grzywacz> yeah well, dataforms and unicode
2009-04-07T00:19:16  * grzywacz shivers
2009-04-07T00:19:17  <TheSheep> is it?
2009-04-07T00:20:10  <dreimark> TheSheep: gajim works
2009-04-07T00:20:11  <grzywacz> Everything's broken. But at least is not Evil, as is Psi.
2009-04-07T00:20:18  <grzywacz> *it is not
2009-04-07T00:21:14  <TheSheep> telnet ftw!
2009-04-07T00:21:46  <grzywacz> Unfortunately not for XMPP.
2009-04-07T00:21:56  <grzywacz> But I agree, it does wonders with good old email. :P
2009-04-07T00:21:57  <TheSheep> no, it works
2009-04-07T00:22:15  <TheSheep> of course xml is kind of a pita
2009-04-07T00:22:27  <TheSheep> but it's doable
2009-04-07T00:22:34  <TheSheep> even useful
2009-04-07T00:24:01  <dreimark> grzywacz: so it looks to me (not tried everything) 1.7 tip has not a big problem
2009-04-07T00:33:23  <dreimark> good night
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2009-04-07T04:05:06  <devilsadvocate_> dreimark, you need to register the account at jabber.org
2009-04-07T04:20:41  <devilsadvocate_> oh, you got it working
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2009-04-07T08:44:25  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
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2009-04-07T09:11:43  <dreimark> moin
2009-04-07T09:33:56  <dreimark> any idea why http://moinmo.in/CategoryGoogleSummerOfCode2009 does not find the page I have added it too
2009-04-07T09:35:27  <devilsadvocate_> you might need to put a ----- on the line before the categories, and also remove any blank lines below it
2009-04-07T09:35:46  <devilsadvocate_> i've found that that seems to work
2009-04-07T09:36:04  <dreimark> have you looked on which page I asked for?
2009-04-07T09:36:16  <devilsadvocate_> dreimark, i dont know which page you put in
2009-04-07T09:36:25  <dreimark> see RecentChanges
2009-04-07T09:38:51  <devilsadvocate_> hm
2009-04-07T09:40:19  <dreimark> damm who has deletet the page now, was that you?
2009-04-07T09:41:25  <dreimark> devilsadvocate_: can you please play with your own page
2009-04-07T09:41:31  <devilsadvocate_> sorry
2009-04-07T09:41:33  <devilsadvocate_> fixing it
2009-04-07T09:41:43  <dreimark> you are not a mentor
2009-04-07T09:42:09  <dreimark> you have recognized that he has subscribed his page?
2009-04-07T09:42:36  <devilsadvocate_> yes, i know
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2009-04-07T09:43:02  <dreimark> devilsadvocate_: btw. you found a bug
2009-04-07T09:43:30  <devilsadvocate_> im trying to figure out how it got deleted.
2009-04-07T09:43:41  <dreimark> no
2009-04-07T09:43:57  <dreimark> we wait till ThomasWaldmann can look at the server
2009-04-07T09:44:15  <devilsadvocate_> ok..
2009-04-07T09:44:40  <dreimark> can you file a bugreport how you deleted the page
2009-04-07T09:44:49  <dreimark> or was it just delete
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2009-04-07T09:45:03  <dreimark> devilsadvocate_: ^^
2009-04-07T09:45:23  <devilsadvocate_> i did not click on delete anywhere
2009-04-07T09:45:45  <dreimark> than file please a bug report and try to reproduce with a TestPage
2009-04-07T09:45:46  <devilsadvocate_> i removed the trailing blank line and added a full stop on a line 3 or 4 lines above it
2009-04-07T09:45:58  <devilsadvocate_> which has worked for me before
2009-04-07T09:45:58  <dreimark> which browser do you use?
2009-04-07T09:45:59  <devilsadvocate_> ok
2009-04-07T09:46:01  <devilsadvocate_> firefox
2009-04-07T09:46:31  <dreimark> hmm that one ios known to be very stable
2009-04-07T09:47:14  <devilsadvocate_> 3.0.8 (stable)
2009-04-07T09:47:36  <devilsadvocate_> trying to reproduce
2009-04-07T09:48:38  <dennda> why is that even dependant on the browser?
2009-04-07T09:49:07  <dreimark> we found yesterday a problem related to opera with long pages and wsgi setup
2009-04-07T09:49:28  <dreimark> so i wanted to be sure that it is not again opera
2009-04-07T09:49:52  <dennda> dreimark: can you explain what the difference for the request is between different browsers?
2009-04-07T09:52:04  <dreimark> dennda: http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/OperaAndLongPages
2009-04-07T09:52:49  <dreimark> I have not investigated it more than the bug report tells yesterday. But it looks like it does use the cached version of the page and don't save
2009-04-07T09:53:01  <dennda> dreimark: I mean, ideally moin should not care in any way what browser the request comes from, should it?
2009-04-07T09:53:02  <dreimark> browser cached version
2009-04-07T09:55:02  <dreimark> dennda: the problem is mostly browser cache. if it is to agressive it does not sent requests
2009-04-07T09:55:19  <dennda> aha
2009-04-07T09:57:02  * dreimark was yesterday quite occupioed by the jabber configs may have time later to look more on that
2009-04-07T09:59:32  <dreimark> devilsadvocate_: do you again have delete the page of AlexandreMartani ?
2009-04-07T09:59:56  <devilsadvocate_> for what its worth, CategoryGoogleSummerOfCode2009 doesnt show up on CategoryCategory. Also, my Homepage, to which I just added categoryHomepage, doesnt show up there
2009-04-07T10:00:11  <devilsadvocate_> dreimark, i didnt touch that page after you told me to wait for ThomasWaldmann :|
2009-04-07T10:00:55  <devilsadvocate_> and I havent been able to reproduce it yet. attempts to make my page disappear have failed
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2009-04-07T10:06:37  <dreimark> devilsadvocate_: don't delete http://moinmo.in/ChintalagiriShashank/TestStuff
2009-04-07T10:06:44  <dreimark> I can reproduce it currently there
2009-04-07T10:07:13  <devilsadvocate_> dreimark, ok
2009-04-07T10:07:30  <devilsadvocate_> could it be related to some implicit acl on user pages?
2009-04-07T10:08:07  <devilsadvocate_> ok, i didnt delete the page.. didnt even edit it
2009-04-07T10:08:38  <dreimark> no.
2009-04-07T10:08:54  <dreimark> we will get closer by looking into the logs
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2009-04-07T10:10:16  <devilsadvocate_> ok
2009-04-07T10:11:14  <dreimark> bbl
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2009-04-07T10:59:13  <dreimark> there is an acl request on the mailing list. http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=EABD54AD-23EE-47DF-849B-470D8A1DA4C2%40tigris.ogr
2009-04-07T11:01:38  <dreimark> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=EABD54AD-23EE-47DF-849B-470D8A1DA4C2%40tigris.org
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2009-04-07T11:53:14  <dreimark> TheSheep: Do you have already thought about theme dependent navigations?
2009-04-07T11:54:05  <dreimark> e.g. navigate only to pages to be listed somewhere
2009-04-07T11:55:40  <dreimark> navibar is global. currently I setup a cms like theme which should be used for anonymous access and should hide the wiki
2009-04-07T11:55:43  <dreimark> behind it
2009-04-07T11:56:42  <dreimark> theme dependent I don't want to show up the account creation dialog
2009-04-07T11:58:38  <dreimark> and also disable some acctions
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2009-04-07T12:08:01  <TheSheep> dreimark: the Mandarin and Gugiel themes have sidebars
2009-04-07T12:08:23  <TheSheep> dreimark: they can be edited by the users, and you can change the sidebar per page with pragma
2009-04-07T12:08:42  <dreimark> very good
2009-04-07T12:10:36  <TheSheep> you could put acls on the sidebar page
2009-04-07T12:10:51  <TheSheep> except the 'you don't have access' message would be confusing
2009-04-07T12:11:35  <TheSheep> maybe a parser that doesn't show its contents to non-logged users...
2009-04-07T12:11:49  <TheSheep> or include
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2009-04-07T12:13:41  * dreimark thinks about to get the user's theme in the user object and to make a very restrictive theme
2009-04-07T12:14:04  <dreimark> or a flag which tells it is restrictive
2009-04-07T12:14:19  <TheSheep> why in theme?
2009-04-07T12:14:50  <TheSheep> I think it would be worthwhile to think about some user management in MoinMoin
2009-04-07T12:14:59  <TheSheep> right now you only manage rights to pages
2009-04-07T12:15:09  <TheSheep> and user rights are calculated form that
2009-04-07T12:15:18  <TheSheep> maybe it would be better to manage rights of the users
2009-04-07T12:15:27  <TheSheep> and calculate rights to pages from that
2009-04-07T12:15:43  <TheSheep> I think it's closer to how most people think
2009-04-07T12:17:37  <dreimark> yes but currently I need a prelimiary solution
2009-04-07T12:22:32  <TheSheep> but theme can by changed by the user
2009-04-07T12:22:39  <TheSheep> be*
2009-04-07T12:23:05  <dreimark> only if he has an account and then he is a valid user
2009-04-07T12:23:18  <dreimark> anon user can only have the default
2009-04-07T12:23:35  <TheSheep> but anyone can create an account
2009-04-07T12:23:59  <TheSheep> besides, you could circumvent the 'theme security' with, for example search
2009-04-07T12:24:04  <TheSheep> or page index
2009-04-07T12:24:17  <TheSheep> if you do it with acls, it's solid
2009-04-07T12:24:41  <dreimark> i'll do it with acls and textchas
2009-04-07T12:25:21  <TheSheep> so I would use a theme with a sidebar, and include some pages with different links in the sidebar, and put acls on that pages, so only the users who are supposed to see them will see them
2009-04-07T12:25:43  <dreimark> but e.g. action=info for a read only page tells the history
2009-04-07T12:26:01  <TheSheep> maybe add a line in the sidebar code that doesn't show the sidebar when the user doesn't have rights to it
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2009-04-07T13:29:23  <dreimark> TheSheep: you and mandarin are great.
2009-04-07T13:29:33  <dreimark> :)
2009-04-07T13:29:46  <dreimark> bbl in the evening
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2009-04-07T16:13:33  * ThomasWaldmann wrote another email reminding the students of the test they have to do and to join use here (and to subscribe to comments in the soc web app).
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2009-04-07T16:46:34  <Omar87> Hi
2009-04-07T16:46:45  <Omar87> My name is Omar S. Hafez
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2009-04-07T16:49:33  <Omar87> ThomasWaldmann: Hi
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2009-04-07T16:50:13  <dreimark> hi Omar87
2009-04-07T16:50:20  <Omar87> dreimark: Hi
2009-04-07T16:50:32  <dreimark> do you have seen our comments on your proposal page?
2009-04-07T16:50:47  <Omar87> I'm checking them now.
2009-04-07T16:52:01  <Omar87> Sorry, I haven't checked my SoC account for days, been a little busy but I'm fine now.
2009-04-07T16:53:27  <ThomasWaldmann> subscribe to changes there
2009-04-07T16:55:05  <Omar87> ThomasWaldmann: By, the way, what about the tasks?
2009-04-07T17:02:18  * devilsadvocate_ goes to get some food
2009-04-07T17:03:22  <dreimark> bbl
2009-04-07T17:03:57  <Omar87> dreimark: tyt
2009-04-07T17:19:23  <ThomasWaldmann> Omar87: you see my query?
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2009-04-07T17:20:06  <Omar87> ThomasWaldmann: Yes sir.
2009-04-07T17:20:32  <ThomasWaldmann> you may say Thomas :)
2009-04-07T17:20:58  <Omar87> ThomasWaldmann: lol, okay. :)
2009-04-07T17:23:06  <ThomasWaldmann> (we are not at the military :D )
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2009-04-07T18:12:30  <devilsadvocate> i see the category issue is still there
2009-04-07T18:30:22  <TheSheep> category issue?
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2009-04-07T19:05:24  <ThomasWaldmann> hi arturoblack
2009-04-07T19:06:20  <ThomasWaldmann> arturoblack: did you read our comments in the soc web app concerning your application?
2009-04-07T19:06:55  <devilsadvocate> TheSheep, dreimark was trying to get CategoryGoogleSummerOfCode2009 to work earlier today
2009-04-07T19:14:21  <ThomasWaldmann> strange things happening today
2009-04-07T19:19:26  <arturoblack> Hi, sorry was busy
2009-04-07T19:20:19  <arturoblack> I review the replys, but apparently there is no way to edit
2009-04-07T19:20:52  <ThomasWaldmann> there is some "add comment" button
2009-04-07T19:24:13  <arturoblack> There is a link "(Edit my Proposal), but there is no way to edit
2009-04-07T19:25:38  <arturoblack> ** by the way, sorry I did not manage well in English, my native language is Spanish
2009-04-07T19:27:15  <ThomasWaldmann> sure
2009-04-07T19:27:52  <ThomasWaldmann> well, you likely can't edit the proposal itself (as it is past the submission deadline), but you can add comments (like we did)
2009-04-07T19:30:06  <ThomasWaldmann> arturoblack: btw, as soon as you have time (60 mins) for a small python coding test, tell me.
2009-04-07T19:31:28  <arturoblack> ok, then added a comment with the title and the timeline
2009-04-07T19:33:05  <arturoblack> could be within an hour?
2009-04-07T19:33:36  <ThomasWaldmann> yes
2009-04-07T19:34:07  <ThomasWaldmann> arturoblack: did you submit your comment already? I don't see it.
2009-04-07T19:42:52  <ThomasWaldmann> from the soc student allocation faq:
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2009-04-07T19:42:54  <ThomasWaldmann> Organizations that produce committers get more students.  It's important to us that students finish their GSoC projects, but it's more important to us that you folks get long-term contributors.  If we heard from you that your students are still engaged and, better yet, are now full developers or committers, chances are we bumped up your allocation accordingly.
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2009-04-07T19:43:11  <ThomasWaldmann> thus: committers, committers, committers!
2009-04-07T19:43:41  * ThomasWaldmann doesn't jump around like an ape for it, though. :)
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2009-04-07T19:50:27  <PawelPacana> ;)
2009-04-07T19:52:25  <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc < :)
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2009-04-07T19:53:57  <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE
2009-04-07T19:55:12  * ThomasWaldmann guesses the one who was responsible for his blue shirt and his anti-transpirant was fired afterwards.
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2009-04-07T19:58:33  <dreimark> re
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2009-04-07T20:16:45  <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: if you do and put a video up I will voluntarily do some commits!
2009-04-07T20:16:49  <dennda> anyone else joining me?
2009-04-07T20:17:26  <devilsadvocate> :D
2009-04-07T20:17:27  <ThomasWaldmann> hehe
2009-04-07T20:17:58  <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: if you give me his salary, I might go crazy and do it
2009-04-07T20:18:15  <dennda> heh
2009-04-07T20:18:30  <dennda> he's nuts
2009-04-07T20:18:31  <dreimark> I wonder what he was asked may be about linux?
2009-04-07T20:18:32  <dennda> that's for sure
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2009-04-07T20:24:29  * dreimark wants locking on socghop
2009-04-07T20:26:00  <dennda> locking?
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2009-04-07T20:26:48  <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: hey i even did a commit or two during 25C3 afair :)
2009-04-07T20:26:56  <dennda> i doubt that counts though
2009-04-07T20:27:00  <dreimark> or a warning or whatever to recognize someone else is writing at the same time nearly the same comment
2009-04-07T20:27:07  <dennda> ah
2009-04-07T20:27:32  <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: if they just look whether the main repos contains student commits, we are safe :D
2009-04-07T20:28:19  <dennda> :-)
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2009-04-07T20:32:11  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, all mentors feel free to comment on the applications
2009-04-07T21:09:16  <dreimark> melange was updated
2009-04-07T21:13:22  <dreimark> http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/04/student-applications-for-google-summer.html
2009-04-07T21:22:29  <ThomasWaldmann> wow, lots of apps from india
2009-04-07T21:23:39  <dreimark> yeah and brazil. I wonder at which position germany would be
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2009-04-07T21:30:19  <ThomasWaldmann> anyone else out for some points in the scoring?
2009-04-07T21:30:36  <ThomasWaldmann> just ask me for task1/task2/interview :)
2009-04-07T21:36:27  <dreimark> grzywacz: if you've time can you look on some of the jabber problem bugs?
2009-04-07T21:36:33  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/JabberbotTooVerbose
2009-04-07T21:36:40  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/UnicodeErrorWithJabberbot
2009-04-07T21:36:47  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/JabberBotDoesNotFindConfig
2009-04-07T22:02:49  * dreimark looks at opera
2009-04-07T22:54:15  * dreimark can reproduce the opera problem
2009-04-07T22:57:25  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/111517/
2009-04-07T22:57:39  <dreimark> I get now a SystemError: unknown opcode
2009-04-07T22:57:53  <dreimark> and can't open the page in ff too
2009-04-07T23:00:38  <dreimark> onlyon that test page in my wiki but other pages seem to work
2009-04-07T23:00:39  <ThomasWaldmann> wtf
2009-04-07T23:01:41  <ThomasWaldmann> clean the cache
2009-04-07T23:04:41  <dreimark> that helped
2009-04-07T23:17:22  <dreimark> strange I have reinstalled everything with --force for py 2.6 and now it works with opera too
2009-04-07T23:32:04  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: I do understand the category issue.
2009-04-07T23:33:40  <dreimark> we need always ---- in the line before the category
2009-04-07T23:34:06  <dreimark> ----\nCategoryExample\n----\nCategoryAnotherOne
2009-04-07T23:34:39  <dreimark> and before it was ----\nCategoryExample CategoryAnotherOne
2009-04-07T23:43:30  <ThomasWaldmann> that should still work
2009-04-07T23:48:43  <dreimark> and it does