MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2009-04-06

2009-04-06T00:13:28  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: I really can't stop thinking about that usability articale about 'mega dropdowns' and moin's bookmarks and actions
2009-04-06T00:14:04  <ThomasWaldmann> :)
2009-04-06T00:14:30  <ThomasWaldmann> as long as we don't get bubbles jumping around ... :)
2009-04-06T00:15:02  <ThomasWaldmann> like http://starkravingfinkle.org/projects/demo/svg-bubblemenu-in-html.xml
2009-04-06T00:15:10  <TheSheep> @ -{ I see you are writing a wiki page, would you like me to help? )
2009-04-06T00:15:10  <moinBot> TheSheep: Error: "-{" is not a valid command.
2009-04-06T00:16:17  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: ouch, that page made my laptop fan go so fast that it's hovering over the desk...
2009-04-06T00:29:06  <ThomasWaldmann> :)
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2009-04-06T08:42:13  <dreimark> moin
2009-04-06T08:43:03  <TheSheep> moinmoin
2009-04-06T08:43:53  <TheSheep> how are you in this beautiful monday morning?
2009-04-06T08:44:08  * TheSheep dodges
2009-04-06T08:47:28  * dreimark tired
2009-04-06T08:47:40  <TheSheep> :(
2009-04-06T08:47:48  <TheSheep> it's the beginning of the week
2009-04-06T08:47:56  <TheSheep> you should be energetic and ready to work
2009-04-06T08:48:58  <TheSheep> to boldly go where noone has gone before
2009-04-06T08:48:58  <dreimark> currently we have clouds and it is warm and it looks like it will be sunny later
2009-04-06T08:49:08  <TheSheep> yeah, with some showers
2009-04-06T08:49:53  * dreimark wears the soc shirt from 07 (that's my current favourite from the design)
2009-04-06T08:50:07  <TheSheep> pic?
2009-04-06T08:51:03  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/ReimarBauer?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=MoinMoins_GHOP_Grand_Prize_Winner.mpg
2009-04-06T08:51:21  <dreimark> xorAxAx: is wearing that at the ghop meeting too
2009-04-06T08:55:05  <TheSheep> yeah, it's nice
2009-04-06T08:55:51  <TheSheep> this year's is mega ugly
2009-04-06T08:58:30  <dreimark> http://www.flickr.com/photos/20712084@N00/260941008/ the one from 2006
2009-04-06T08:58:46  <dreimark> I guess they have exchanged the designer
2009-04-06T09:01:03  <dreimark> the colors are not well choosen for 2008 may be theiy were not able to copy it good to a shirt
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2009-04-06T09:21:08  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2009-04-06T09:25:47  <dreimark> waldi: if you have time you can give probably a perfect answer to the request  "Nesting wiki syntax and delimiters"
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2009-04-06T10:06:28  <waldi> dreimark: there is no perfect answert: it is a mess
2009-04-06T10:13:39  <dreimark> waldi: it is on the mailing list, I guess some of them will be possible later on
2009-04-06T10:14:21  <dreimark> or work better
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2009-04-06T11:22:56  <ThomasWaldmann> http://pycon.blip.tv/ < videos from pycon (if you click on "episode archive" at the top right, you get a better overview than that rather tiny box at the right)
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2009-04-06T12:27:41  <CIA-13> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3860:e42fc41f71a4 1.7/MoinMoin/auth/ldap_login.py: ldap_login: use None as default value for ssl certs/keys, so it does set the related options. Using empty pathes lets it fail with Connect Error. Thanks to chantra for the fix.
2009-04-06T12:28:59  <CIA-13> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4312:e42fc41f71a4 1.8/MoinMoin/auth/ldap_login.py: ldap_login: use None as default value for ssl certs/keys, so it does set the related options. Using empty pathes lets it fail with Connect Error. Thanks to chantra for the fix.
2009-04-06T12:29:01  <CIA-13> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4313:9eeae87fdd36 1.8/MoinMoin/auth/ldap_login.py: merged moin/1.7
2009-04-06T12:31:29  <CIA-13> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4676:e42fc41f71a4 1.9/MoinMoin/auth/ldap_login.py: ldap_login: use None as default value for ssl certs/keys, so it does set the related options. Using empty pathes lets it fail with Connect Error. Thanks to chantra for the fix.
2009-04-06T12:31:32  <CIA-13> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4677:9eeae87fdd36 1.9/MoinMoin/auth/ldap_login.py: merged moin/1.7
2009-04-06T12:31:33  <CIA-13> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4678:e17387246649 1.9/MoinMoin/auth/ldap_login.py: merged moin/1.8
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2009-04-06T13:02:01  <ThomasWaldmann> re
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2009-04-06T15:11:23  <devilsadvocate> ThomasWaldmann, i'll be free in about 3 hours or so for about the next 24 hours
2009-04-06T15:11:39  <devilsadvocate> if you can let me know when is ok with you i'll schedule my sleep accordingly :P
2009-04-06T15:16:03  <dennda> first test takes 1h, second 2h, interview took 2h for me, but the latter will likely be more brief for you
2009-04-06T15:32:19  <devilsadvocate> hm, k
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2009-04-06T15:36:40  <czarny> hello!
2009-04-06T15:37:14  <czarny> I've been reading students proposals on socghop and I see you actually like only one dude
2009-04-06T15:37:22  <czarny> whose resume' actually is superb
2009-04-06T15:37:25  <czarny> but nothin' else
2009-04-06T15:37:36  <czarny> there some italian dude I think with docbook but doesn't look promissing ;/
2009-04-06T15:37:49  <dennda> umm
2009-04-06T15:38:12  <dennda> assuming you are a mentor, maybe you should talk to the other mentors in private
2009-04-06T15:38:37  <czarny> on a dev channel?
2009-04-06T15:38:41  <czarny> well..yea maybe
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2009-04-06T15:51:01  <devilsadvocate> dennda, about the tests : without divulging any sensitive information, can you tell me if its the kind where i can put it on pause for a few minutes or such without exteding the 1 hour?
2009-04-06T15:51:39  <devilsadvocate> trying to decide if i should sit in the lab and do it or go to my room. unfortunately lab means a disturbance or two is likely at most times of the day
2009-04-06T15:51:44  <devilsadvocate> or night
2009-04-06T15:54:59  <dreimark> devilsadvocate: you need to give the best result you can do.
2009-04-06T15:55:43  <dennda> i suggest you do it at home
2009-04-06T15:56:17  <devilsadvocate> i suppose i was trying to ask if its like a question and answer thing with an average response time in the order of seconds or few minutes or longer than that
2009-04-06T15:56:19  <devilsadvocate> ok
2009-04-06T15:56:26  <devilsadvocate> i'll do it in my room
2009-04-06T15:56:51  <devilsadvocate> thanks
2009-04-06T16:34:51  <czarny> that sounded like the a scene from "Blade Runner"
2009-04-06T16:35:00  <dreimark> hmm
2009-04-06T16:35:28  <czarny> where the android cought in the first  scene asks what are the answers like
2009-04-06T16:35:35  <dreimark> hehe
2009-04-06T16:36:52  <czarny> so if students fail do we do a skinjob? :)
2009-04-06T16:37:03  <dreimark> wrong channel
2009-04-06T16:39:39  * dreimark invites again students to #moin-dev
2009-04-06T16:42:09  <dreimark> czarny: /names lists all users here
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2009-04-06T18:47:10  <dimazest> hi
2009-04-06T18:47:22  <dimazest> i'm ready for the test
2009-04-06T18:49:48  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: ping
2009-04-06T19:07:56  <dreimark> dimazest: how long can you wait?
2009-04-06T19:08:16  <dimazest> as long as needed
2009-04-06T19:08:23  <dimazest> i'm free tonight
2009-04-06T19:09:21  <dreimark> good, ThomasWaldmann is I guess on the road, I can take this part also if he is not back soon
2009-04-06T19:09:49  <dimazest> ok, we can wait for half an hour
2009-04-06T19:17:06  <ThomasWaldmann> re
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2009-04-06T19:24:50  <dimazest> ThomasWaldmann: i can do the test now
2009-04-06T19:35:05  <ThomasWaldmann> dimazest: I am still busy, in about 45mins?
2009-04-06T19:35:12  <dimazest> ok
2009-04-06T19:44:44  <dennda> i can do it too if you like :D
2009-04-06T19:44:51  <dennda> j/k
2009-04-06T19:45:45  <dreimark> hehe
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2009-04-06T20:10:24  <ThomasWaldmann> re
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2009-04-06T20:19:47  <dennda> dimazest: good luck
2009-04-06T20:20:03  <dimazest> thanks
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2009-04-06T22:05:40  <dreimark> test19 gives a Internal Server Error if I try to edit by opera
2009-04-06T22:06:02  <dreimark> grzywacz: hi I have some jabber questions.
2009-04-06T22:06:20  <dreimark> in principle with jabber.org account it cn connect
2009-04-06T22:06:49  <dreimark> s/cn/can/
2009-04-06T22:10:18  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: on  test19 Intrnal server error is reproducable by opera
2009-04-06T22:14:08  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: interesting. can you reproduce with ff?
2009-04-06T22:16:44  <dreimark> yes
2009-04-06T22:16:53  <dreimark> the Internal Server Error happens also
2009-04-06T22:17:19  <dreimark> I am not logged in
2009-04-06T22:17:23  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann:
2009-04-06T22:18:58  <dreimark> and I can't save something in MoinAPI/Beipiele there
2009-04-06T22:19:00  <dreimark> by opera
2009-04-06T22:20:57  <dreimark> grzywacz: I look currently with wireshark on the stream
2009-04-06T22:21:46  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: what to do to reproduce the problem?
2009-04-06T22:22:28  <dreimark> I edited http://test19.moinmo.in/TestWiki19
2009-04-06T22:22:34  <dreimark> without beeing logged in
2009-04-06T22:22:40  <dreimark> answered the textcha
2009-04-06T22:22:42  <dreimark> saved
2009-04-06T22:22:49  <dreimark> and get Internal Server Error
2009-04-06T22:24:27  <grzywacz> dreimark, you can easily dump xml in Psi
2009-04-06T22:24:39  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: if you give a wrong textcha answer it doesn't happen
2009-04-06T22:24:44  <grzywacz> ah, but server-bot, ok
2009-04-06T22:25:01  <dreimark> grzywacz: I see only traffic at connection and disconnection time
2009-04-06T22:25:35  <grzywacz> dreimark, that statement doesn't tell me much. Do you see no traffic when you'd otherwise expect it to be there?
2009-04-06T22:26:04  <dreimark> ah ok, if i edit something in a browser I would expect to see also some messages
2009-04-06T22:26:35  <dreimark> i tried a bit by reverting to alder changesets
2009-04-06T22:26:49  <grzywacz> dreimark, only when you have jabber notifications enabled, you're not doing the edits with the user who's supposed to get notified and wiki can connect to the bot
2009-04-06T22:26:51  <dreimark> and currently I am at changeset 3822 in 1.7
2009-04-06T22:27:18  <dreimark> It is enabled and I have choosen a different browser and where I am not logged in
2009-04-06T22:27:33  <grzywacz> ack
2009-04-06T22:28:14  <dreimark> grzywacz: you were right asking that
2009-04-06T22:28:26  <dreimark> and it gaves the important hint
2009-04-06T22:28:44  <ThomasWaldmann> hah, xapian problem
2009-04-06T22:28:56  <dreimark> I have added the .* at the wrong position of settings
2009-04-06T22:29:04  <grzywacz> :-)
2009-04-06T22:29:20  <dreimark> that is another problem if email is disabled I don't see the lower box
2009-04-06T22:29:35  <grzywacz> lower box?
2009-04-06T22:30:21  <dreimark> "Subscribed wiki pages" it was in older moins at preferences
2009-04-06T22:30:58  <grzywacz> ok
2009-04-06T22:31:42  <dreimark> Benachrichtigungen versendet an: ReimarBauer
2009-04-06T22:31:43  <dreimark> Benachrichtigungen versendet an: ReimarBauer
2009-04-06T22:32:20  <grzywacz> email and xmpp
2009-04-06T22:32:32  <grzywacz> these lists can be different
2009-04-06T22:32:38  <dreimark> I see traffic now
2009-04-06T22:32:51  <dreimark> but I have no idea how to find a result in e.g. pidgin
2009-04-06T22:33:00  <dreimark> where does it have to show up
2009-04-06T22:33:16  <grzywacz> you should get a message from the bot
2009-04-06T22:33:20  <grzywacz> do you have it in your roster?
2009-04-06T22:33:34  <grzywacz> check that your JID is correctly set in preferences
2009-04-06T22:33:41  <grzywacz> that is to your jabber.org jid, or whatever you use
2009-04-06T22:33:51  <dreimark> do I need a different account than my id there?
2009-04-06T22:34:13  <grzywacz> than your id?
2009-04-06T22:34:39  <dreimark> yes i have used my wikiname@jabber.org for the bot
2009-04-06T22:34:59  <grzywacz> and what for pidgin?
2009-04-06T22:35:07  <dreimark> the same
2009-04-06T22:35:30  <grzywacz> it might have been sent to the bot if it has a higher priority
2009-04-06T22:35:50  <grzywacz> check the account settings in pidgin and set a higher priority there
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2009-04-06T22:40:54  <dreimark> grzywacz: should have looked into the log before. I do have an error at UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe4' in position 2: ordinal not in range(128)
2009-04-06T22:41:22  <dreimark> I go back to top and try first again
2009-04-06T22:48:28  <grzywacz> dreimark, wiki or the bot?
2009-04-06T22:48:48  <dreimark> that was the bot
2009-04-06T22:49:07  <grzywacz> Backtrace ending in the bot or pyxmpp?
2009-04-06T22:49:37  <dreimark> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/111
2009-04-06T22:52:36  <grzywacz> uh?
2009-04-06T22:52:41  <dreimark> arrgh recent 1.7 has the problem that you don't have notifications
2009-04-06T22:53:10  <dreimark> shit the link is wrong
2009-04-06T22:53:20  <dreimark> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/111368/
2009-04-06T22:53:42  <grzywacz> hm
2009-04-06T22:53:59  <grzywacz> I've seen similar ones before.
2009-04-06T22:54:07  <grzywacz> I'll try to look at it today.
2009-04-06T22:54:16  <dreimark> grzywacz: wait that was an old cs
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2009-04-06T22:54:59  <grzywacz> dreimark, pyxmpp used to have problems with data forms mixing with str/unicode; maybe I just missed one of those
2009-04-06T22:55:25  * dreimark tries in a few seconds with 1.7 tip
2009-04-06T22:55:40  * grzywacz thinks nothing is going to change
2009-04-06T22:56:35  <dreimark> that works
2009-04-06T22:56:50  <grzywacz> ah, so maybe you moved waaay back :)
2009-04-06T22:56:55  <dreimark> every change gives a line in the bot
2009-04-06T22:56:56  <dreimark> localhost - - [06/Apr/2009 22:56:29] "POST /RPC2 HTTP/1.0" 200 -
2009-04-06T22:57:22  <grzywacz> hm, that should work
2009-04-06T22:57:26  <grzywacz> it uses xmlrpc
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2009-04-06T22:57:56  <dreimark> it makes traffic also.
2009-04-06T22:58:10  <grzywacz> nothing on pidgin?
2009-04-06T22:58:16  <grzywacz> try the priority thing
2009-04-06T22:58:27  <dreimark> have not found how to setup the priority
2009-04-06T22:58:46  <dreimark> I will try to setup another user for the bot
2009-04-06T22:59:01  <grzywacz> http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Protocol%20Specific%20Questions#HowcanIconfigureresourcepriority
2009-04-06T22:59:02  <grzywacz> meh
2009-04-06T23:00:54  <grzywacz> dreimark, try setting your status to chatty or something
2009-04-06T23:01:00  <grzywacz> dreimark, pyxmpp uses 0 by default
2009-04-06T23:01:11  * dreimark tries
2009-04-06T23:01:48  <dreimark> doesn't help
2009-04-06T23:01:53  <grzywacz> meh2
2009-04-06T23:02:34  <dreimark> do you know another jabber client, may be i don't understand pidgin or it dislikes me
2009-04-06T23:02:44  <TheSheep> dreimark: gajim is nice
2009-04-06T23:02:49  <grzywacz> dreimark, I use psi
2009-04-06T23:02:53  <TheSheep> dreimark: also gossip
2009-04-06T23:03:04  <TheSheep> psi is not obeying standards
2009-04-06T23:03:27  <grzywacz> TheSheep, elaborate please.
2009-04-06T23:04:11  <TheSheep> grzywacz: for exmaple, if you send a message with unsupported type, all normal clients ignore it, according to the specification
2009-04-06T23:04:12  * dreimark tries to create an other user first
2009-04-06T23:04:20  <TheSheep> grzywacz: psi displays it
2009-04-06T23:04:46  <TheSheep> grzywacz: same with many other fine points -- psi is more forgiving, but that makes it hard to test things
2009-04-06T23:04:51  <TheSheep> like msie
2009-04-06T23:06:14  <grzywacz> TheSheep, sounds more like a bug than designed behaviour
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2009-04-06T23:11:33  <dreimark> is there a reason I can't not have two accounts
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2009-04-06T23:25:51  <dreimark> grzywacz: ok got another account (forgot to do it by the web page with a textcha)
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2009-04-06T23:31:20  <TheSheep> http://moin.sheep.art.pl  <-- expermineting with dropdowns (log in to test quicklinks)
2009-04-06T23:37:31  <TheSheep> btw, the actions api is horrible
2009-04-06T23:38:09  <grzywacz> ;-)
2009-04-06T23:38:43  <dreimark> less css or
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2009-04-06T23:41:29  <TheSheep> dreimark: ?
2009-04-06T23:41:38  <TheSheep> dreimark: parse error
2009-04-06T23:44:38  <dreimark> TheSheep: moin.sheep.art.pl/
2009-04-06T23:44:43  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/ReimarBauer?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=sheep_art1.png
2009-04-06T23:46:32  <TheSheep> that's a screenshot of that page, yes
2009-04-06T23:46:52  <dreimark> ah ok, then it is right I was wondering about the lists
2009-04-06T23:47:18  <dreimark> TheSheep: grzywacz http://moinmo.in/ReimarBauer?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=buddy1.png
2009-04-06T23:47:25  <dreimark> do I need more than that
2009-04-06T23:48:27  <grzywacz> dreimark, I doubt it, but I wonder how you managed to have the same account authorised and not authorised at the same time :)
2009-04-06T23:49:46  <dreimark> that was the result of trying to remove one
2009-04-06T23:50:29  <dreimark> do I have to open something (me knows only irc)
2009-04-06T23:52:35  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, the xapian indexing thread join with request.finish doesn't work in 1.9
2009-04-06T23:53:19  * ThomasWaldmann is thinking about whether a thread makes any sense
2009-04-06T23:54:43  <dreimark> grzywacz: however I can talk with the bot now
2009-04-06T23:56:23  <dreimark> but the bot is quite verbose toooo much output to the logs