MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2009-03-30

2009-03-30T00:08:07  <CIA-13> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4670:06a744121699 1.9/MoinMoin/support/werkzeug/ (http.py script.py test.py): updated werkzeug
2009-03-30T00:09:40  * ThomasWaldmann .oO(one py2.4 problem less)
2009-03-30T00:10:10  <dreimark> that was the mail fix I guess
2009-03-30T00:10:54  <ThomasWaldmann> yes
2009-03-30T00:17:00  <dreimark> wow have not thought that docbook2odf is such great
2009-03-30T00:25:12  <dreimark> good night
2009-03-30T00:27:03  <ThomasWaldmann> gn dreimark
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2009-03-30T08:18:57  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
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2009-03-30T09:31:08  <ThomasWaldmann> dimazest: if you have questions about projects, just ask here
2009-03-30T09:31:30  <dimazest> ok, i'm in the university now
2009-03-30T09:31:46  <dimazest> i'll be there this evening
2009-03-30T09:31:58  <ThomasWaldmann> ok
2009-03-30T09:32:35  <dimazest> support docbook / ReST, according the ReST part
2009-03-30T09:32:45  <dimazest> i have seen it is implemented
2009-03-30T09:33:06  <dimazest> is something is missing
2009-03-30T09:35:05  <ThomasWaldmann> dimazest: that relates to the 1.9-dom repository, see hg.moinmo.in
2009-03-30T09:38:52  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, there are some other ideas that are a bit more related to your group refactoring project
2009-03-30T09:40:34  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, acl system extension might interfere with storage
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2009-03-30T09:47:40  <rocco> Hey all
2009-03-30T09:47:43  <rocco> ping ThomasWaldmann
2009-03-30T09:47:54  <ThomasWaldmann> hi
2009-03-30T09:47:58  <rocco> pm?
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2009-03-30T14:32:05  <dreimark> TheSheep: sometimes I think it wold be nice to jump from TOC to the section in edit mode.
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2009-03-30T16:16:42  <dimazest> hi, do "Add a plugin which visualizes access rights of each user for different settings, e.g. if acl_hierarchic = True" on the GoogleSoc2009/InitialProjectIdeas and http://moinmo.in/FeatureRequests/IndicatorForACLs describe same feature
2009-03-30T16:17:14  <dreimark> hi dimazest
2009-03-30T16:17:49  <TheSheep> dimazest: we don't claim all the ideas are original
2009-03-30T16:18:41  <dimazest> i do not fully get the idea of plugin
2009-03-30T16:18:59  <dreimark> a plugin can be an action, macro, parser ...
2009-03-30T16:19:14  <dreimark> a macro is e.g. <<Hits>>
2009-03-30T16:19:26  <TheSheep> or <<TableOfContents
2009-03-30T16:19:28  <TheSheep> >>
2009-03-30T16:19:38  <dimazest> so, this plugin shows something like "You are able to edit this page"
2009-03-30T16:20:24  <dreimark> the easy to do solution of this FR shows some icons on the page
2009-03-30T16:20:39  <dreimark> for admin, revert, delete, read, write
2009-03-30T16:21:12  <dreimark>  visualizes access rights of each user is meant  more  globally
2009-03-30T16:21:48  <dreimark> it can be a graph http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.9/graph
2009-03-30T16:22:07  <dreimark> where it shows the pathes one selected user can access
2009-03-30T16:22:38  <TheSheep> generally speaking, moin lacks user management features
2009-03-30T16:22:52  <TheSheep> we would like to have some :)
2009-03-30T16:23:01  <dimazest> ok
2009-03-30T16:23:39  <dimazest> so, someone specify a user, he want to get a graph of access
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2009-03-30T16:24:15  <dimazest> and the graph is displayed, showing which actions the user can perform
2009-03-30T16:24:46  <TheSheep> designing the exact interface is part of the task
2009-03-30T16:24:59  <dreimark> yeah and what happens or is covered  if one changes default to hierarchical acls
2009-03-30T17:12:32  <ThomasWaldmann> improving xapian search is also important :)
2009-03-30T17:25:16  <dimazest> wouldn't xapian search be too big for a part of soc?
2009-03-30T17:28:35  <ThomasWaldmann> you don't need to implement the search, that part is already there and mostly working.
2009-03-30T17:29:04  <ThomasWaldmann> what's needing improvements is the output of the search, currently that is rather sub optimal
2009-03-30T17:29:25  <ThomasWaldmann> e.g. toplevel pages should be displayed before subpages
2009-03-30T17:29:39  <ThomasWaldmann> pages before attachments on pages
2009-03-30T17:29:47  <ThomasWaldmann> etc.
2009-03-30T17:30:28  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe not that much the code, but the search code is a bit hard to get into
2009-03-30T17:30:47  <ThomasWaldmann> s/the code/to code/
2009-03-30T17:31:41  <ThomasWaldmann> (subpages and attachments [both sub-items soon] could be displayed indented below their main page)
2009-03-30T17:35:53  <dimazest> hmm, this seems more clear form me that the acl-viewer plugin
2009-03-30T17:37:41  <dreimark> I don't think reorganizing of output needs a month of full work
2009-03-30T17:38:12  <dimazest> but is the viewing plugin for an month?
2009-03-30T17:39:15  <dreimark> it isn't
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2009-03-30T17:41:53  <PawelPacana> moin
2009-03-30T17:42:06  <dimazest> so, i can do both of them
2009-03-30T17:42:18  <dreimark> dimazest: good decision
2009-03-30T17:42:27  <dreimark> moin PawelPacana
2009-03-30T17:43:54  <dimazest> :) then, i apply for 3 projects: Modular group handling, ACL viewer and Output of the search
2009-03-30T17:51:11  <PawelPacana> dreimark: has anybody already applied for 'alternative backend 2'?
2009-03-30T17:52:01  <dennda> alternative backend 2?
2009-03-30T17:53:14  <PawelPacana> dennda: there is such topic in InitialIdeas
2009-03-30T17:53:58  <dennda> PawelPacana: If you're talking about the SQLAlchemy backend then yes, I'm applying for that
2009-03-30T17:54:38  <TheSheep> hi PawelPacana
2009-03-30T17:54:53  <PawelPacana> dennda: good to hear that
2009-03-30T17:55:18  <PawelPacana> i was rather curious about (hg/bzr/git) thingie
2009-03-30T17:55:23  <PawelPacana> hi TheSheep
2009-03-30T17:56:22  <dennda> PawelPacana: ahhh
2009-03-30T17:56:26  <dennda> PawelPacana: I see what you mean
2009-03-30T17:56:49  <dennda> PawelPacana: That was added by $someone and confused thomas and me. see the comments below
2009-03-30T17:57:44  <PawelPacana> ahh, ok
2009-03-30T18:01:21  <PawelPacana> i guess i'll may have some time to work on hg during europython sprint
2009-03-30T18:01:45  <TheSheep> PawelPacana: you're coming?
2009-03-30T18:02:09  <PawelPacana> havent booked tickets yet, but yes
2009-03-30T18:02:10  <TheSheep> that's great
2009-03-30T18:02:53  <PawelPacana> bbl
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2009-03-30T18:14:24  <dreimark> PawelPacana: great
2009-03-30T18:14:33  <dreimark> it looks like we need a very big table
2009-03-30T18:22:36  <TheSheep> dreimark: when is the mentor application deadline?
2009-03-30T18:22:53  <TheSheep> or is it already past?
2009-03-30T18:23:14  <dennda> is there a deadline at all
2009-03-30T18:23:15  <dennda> ?
2009-03-30T18:23:34  <TheSheep> I don't know, I assumed there is
2009-03-30T18:24:03  <dreimark> it is
2009-03-30T18:24:17  * dreimark looks
2009-03-30T18:26:39  <dreimark> http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/faqs Important Dates
2009-03-30T18:26:43  <dreimark> April 15:
2009-03-30T18:26:44  <dreimark> 00:00 PDT / 07:00 UTC
2009-03-30T18:26:51  <dreimark> All mentors must be signed up and all student proposals matched with a mentor;
2009-03-30T18:26:59  <TheSheep> thanks
2009-03-30T18:27:20  <dreimark> but at 3rd is the deadline for students
2009-03-30T18:28:50  <dennda> so there is no "mentor application deadline"
2009-03-30T18:30:06  <dreimark> what's that? the mentoring organisation application deadline was already?
2009-03-30T18:31:18  <dreimark> at 15th++ we will know who we mentor and how much student we got
2009-03-30T18:31:24  <dennda> well yeah
2009-03-30T18:31:26  <dennda> sure it was
2009-03-30T18:31:34  <dennda> otherwise you wouldn't know moin got accepted
2009-03-30T18:31:41  <dreimark> :)
2009-03-30T18:31:52  <dreimark> that timetable is important
2009-03-30T18:33:03  <dreimark> August 10: Suggested 'pencils down' date. Take a week to scrub code, write tests, improve documentation, etc.
2009-03-30T18:35:48  <dreimark> TheSheep: do you consider to mentor ?
2009-03-30T18:36:43  <TheSheep> dreimark: my free time has shrunk dramatically, from 6 days a week to 1 day, but Czarek will probably want to mentor, he's good with docbook, for example
2009-03-30T18:37:52  <dreimark> :)
2009-03-30T18:39:35  <dreimark> push him.
2009-03-30T18:43:10  <dreimark> bbl
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2009-03-30T20:28:11  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann, dreimark  ping?
2009-03-30T21:05:36  <ThomasWaldmann> re
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2009-03-30T22:09:37  <dreimark> re
2009-03-30T22:09:41  <dreimark> TheSheep: pong
2009-03-30T22:16:57  * dreimark looks at ableOfContentsIgnoresSectionNumbersPragma (1.8 repo)
2009-03-30T22:57:24  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: apt-get install mumble
2009-03-30T22:57:33  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx:
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2009-03-30T22:57:52  <ThomasWaldmann> waldi:
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2009-03-30T22:58:36  <TheSheep> mumble?
2009-03-30T22:58:46  <ThomasWaldmann> voip conferencing
2009-03-30T22:59:04  <TheSheep> cool
2009-03-30T22:59:05  <ThomasWaldmann> i am talking with dennda right now
2009-03-30T22:59:41  <ThomasWaldmann> on clanfr.eu 91 (server is offered in list after installation/configuration)
2009-03-30T23:00:02  <dreimark> installs
2009-03-30T23:00:25  <ThomasWaldmann> and they encrypt with aes (anti schaeuble mode :)
2009-03-30T23:00:34  <dreimark> don't tell
2009-03-30T23:01:09  * ThomasWaldmann greets bka, cia, fbi, kgb, schaeuble, ... :)
2009-03-30T23:07:41  * dreimark needs to check why the mic does not work
2009-03-30T23:11:25  <ThomasWaldmann> try oss/alsa/pulseaudio and mixer settings
2009-03-30T23:17:35  <waldi> ThomasWaldmann: crypto: fail
2009-03-30T23:18:07  <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: hm?
2009-03-30T23:19:02  <waldi> i took a look into the source and found severe bugs in the crypto implementation
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2009-03-30T23:21:17  <waldi> err, in the specification
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2009-03-30T23:36:36  <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: sounds like a pending bug report
2009-03-30T23:37:10  <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: good audio quality though
2009-03-30T23:37:56  <dennda> really good
2009-03-30T23:38:08  <dennda> dreimark: we're waiting for you :-) cbx33 joined as well
2009-03-30T23:38:18  <dreimark> SOON
2009-03-30T23:38:21  <cbx33> reminds me of ventrillo
2009-03-30T23:39:20  <dreimark> WHICH SERVER
2009-03-30T23:39:32  <dennda> dreimark: clanfr.eu 91
2009-03-30T23:45:59  <dreimark> seems not to work for me
2009-03-30T23:46:49  <dennda> dreimark: what's the precise nature of the problem?
2009-03-30T23:47:42  <dreimark> connecting it looks empty
2009-03-30T23:47:52  <dennda> dreimark: what version?
2009-03-30T23:48:01  <dreimark> 1.1.7
2009-03-30T23:48:11  <dennda> that's recent enough
2009-03-30T23:49:16  <dennda> dreimark: you switched to the server browser list tab, didn't you?
2009-03-30T23:49:41  <dreimark> i've choosen verbinden and entered the adress and the port
2009-03-30T23:49:49  <dennda> wrong :-)
2009-03-30T23:49:55  <dennda> dreimark: there's another tab
2009-03-30T23:49:57  <cbx33> wrong
2009-03-30T23:49:59  <cbx33> I did that too
2009-03-30T23:49:59  <dennda> some server overview
2009-03-30T23:50:01  <cbx33> first time
2009-03-30T23:50:08  <dennda> sorry, we should have explained that better
2009-03-30T23:50:50  <dreimark> which one
2009-03-30T23:50:52  <dennda> dreimark: when you connect, there's two tabs. one for directly connecting to a server and one for browsing a list of servers. choose the latter and scroll down to the clanfr.eu servers and connect to the one with number 91
2009-03-30T23:50:56  <dennda> 91
2009-03-30T23:52:29  <dreimark> there is no clanfr.eu
2009-03-30T23:52:35  <dreimark> i see clanmeets
2009-03-30T23:52:47  <dreimark> dennda:
2009-03-30T23:53:34  <dennda> dreimark: scroll down to the servers whose names start with "c"
2009-03-30T23:53:49  <dennda> there ought to be some clanfr.eu servers
2009-03-30T23:53:58  <dreimark> I see label adresse url
2009-03-30T23:54:04  <dreimark> and have sorted by adresse
2009-03-30T23:54:06  <dennda> i think it's label
2009-03-30T23:54:10  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: the list is sorted a bit strange but it is there, 91
2009-03-30T23:54:11  <dennda> it's NOT the adress
2009-03-30T23:54:21  <dennda> it's the first column, dreimark
2009-03-30T23:55:00  <dreimark> found and which user name
2009-03-30T23:55:08  <dennda> "dreimark"? :-)
2009-03-30T23:56:38  <TheSheep> I can't do push to talk, because I don't have a capslock :(
2009-03-30T23:57:19  <dennda> use any other key
2009-03-30T23:58:54  <TheSheep> didn't realize it was configurable
2009-03-30T23:58:59  <TheSheep> too much options :)
2009-03-30T23:59:00  <dennda> i told you ;)
2009-03-30T23:59:10  <dennda> that's why it's called "expert mode"