MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2009-03-22

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2009-03-22T11:03:56  <dreimark> moin
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2009-03-22T14:55:11  <dreimark> re
2009-03-22T16:28:33  <dreimark> where is request.cfg set ?
2009-03-22T16:50:53  <dreimark> have had a strange effect which is gone now. request = request_cli.Request()
2009-03-22T16:51:22  <dreimark> was not returning a complete request object including request.cfg
2009-03-22T16:51:56  <dreimark> request = request_cli.Request(pagename='') did it and now it works without the default var too
2009-03-22T16:53:09  <dreimark> (tried to repeat by cleaning all caches but I can't reproduce it)
2009-03-22T18:22:34  <dreimark> I tried a new example for 1.8
2009-03-22T18:22:42  <dreimark> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/109057/
2009-03-22T18:23:03  <dreimark> Teh user file is not created and I don't see why
2009-03-22T18:31:12  <dreimark> bbl
2009-03-22T18:47:02  <ThomasWaldmann> re
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2009-03-22T22:29:30  <dreimark> hmm joining and leaving within 2 minutes
2009-03-22T23:11:23  <dennda> I still think that "Experience in coding in hours" is a difficult question
2009-03-22T23:12:27  <ThomasWaldmann> i don't expect 1% precision answers
2009-03-22T23:13:10  <ThomasWaldmann> but it is obviously a difference whether somebody estimates 10, 100 or 1000
2009-03-22T23:13:21  <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: I'm afraid you will get completely different numbers unless I can find my last years application :D
2009-03-22T23:13:37  <ThomasWaldmann> hehe
2009-03-22T23:14:54  <ThomasWaldmann> in your special case, the goal list and time planning is more important.
2009-03-22T23:15:07  <dennda> ok
2009-03-22T23:15:10  <dennda> so 1337 hours
2009-03-22T23:16:16  <ThomasWaldmann> or 1473 hours?
2009-03-22T23:17:04  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, I suggest some 'production mode early' scheduling
2009-03-22T23:18:15  <dennda> i.e. code that already works a few days before deadline? (not sure if I got you right)
2009-03-22T23:19:26  <ThomasWaldmann> no, I mean to have stuff releasable (and released) early (in beta/rc quality)
2009-03-22T23:20:10  <ThomasWaldmann> if you are doing storage stuff, you are working on 2.0 release
2009-03-22T23:20:33  <dennda> what exactly does "early" mean in this context?
2009-03-22T23:20:39  <ThomasWaldmann> asap
2009-03-22T23:20:53  <dennda> I obviously can't provide a solid cross platform backend in two days
2009-03-22T23:21:05  <dennda> ok
2009-03-22T23:21:05  <ThomasWaldmann> no :)
2009-03-22T23:21:42  <ThomasWaldmann> but you can provide something that is usable by beta testers after ... 2weeks?
2009-03-22T23:23:17  <ThomasWaldmann> it doesn't need to be feature complete at that time, but it should be in a state so that joe betatester doe can use it somehow.
2009-03-22T23:24:22  <ThomasWaldmann> later, you can do a beta with ACLs, with router middleware, ...
2009-03-22T23:24:27  <dreimark> until midterm ?
2009-03-22T23:25:22  <ThomasWaldmann> i can't pull some days number out of my sleeve now, just try to make some realistic planning.
2009-03-22T23:25:36  <ThomasWaldmann> based on 8h/5d
2009-03-22T23:27:08  <ThomasWaldmann> and while I do want working unit tests, I don't want that ONLY unit tests work and if you practically use the wiki for 10 minutes, it blows up at 5 important places.
2009-03-22T23:29:09  * ThomasWaldmann would be perfectly happy if the result of storage soc project is 2.0rc1
2009-03-22T23:30:09  <ThomasWaldmann> (and for me, that is much more important than e.g. a new bzr backend)
2009-03-22T23:33:57  <ThomasWaldmann> docs for devs and admins will also be a important part
2009-03-22T23:35:06  <dennda> please keep in mind that i'm not yet a SQLA guru
2009-03-22T23:35:31  <ThomasWaldmann> i am not either :)
2009-03-22T23:36:01  <dennda> the documentation is quite good though :-)
2009-03-22T23:36:09  <dreimark> make it work first, then make it maintainable (but don't do that at the end)
2009-03-22T23:37:12  <ThomasWaldmann> a good thing would be to have ./wikiserver.py working early, with no addtional action or configuration needed
2009-03-22T23:37:28  <ThomasWaldmann> so testers have it easy
2009-03-22T23:41:35  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, if you could do some win32 compatibility research before finishing your appl, that would be nice
2009-03-22T23:45:47  <dennda> i already did
2009-03-22T23:48:55  <ThomasWaldmann> good :)
2009-03-22T23:49:54  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, pete needs to file a mentoring request
2009-03-22T23:50:13  <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: didn't he already sign up as a mentor?
2009-03-22T23:50:53  <ThomasWaldmann> ehrm, ignore me :) he did.
2009-03-22T23:51:12  <dennda> :-)
2009-03-22T23:51:53  <ThomasWaldmann> currently 4 mentors: cbx33, cosla, rb_proj, me
2009-03-22T23:52:03  <dennda> rb_proj?
2009-03-22T23:52:08  <dennda> reimar bauer?
2009-03-22T23:52:14  <ThomasWaldmann> yes
2009-03-22T23:52:20  <dennda> what about alexander?
2009-03-22T23:52:30  <ThomasWaldmann> he didn't finish his stuff yet
2009-03-22T23:52:42  <dennda> personal stuff or gsoc mentoring stuff?
2009-03-22T23:53:00  <ThomasWaldmann> gsoc stuff
2009-03-22T23:53:07  <dennda> so he's going to mentor again?
2009-03-22T23:54:16  <ThomasWaldmann> he told so, a few weeks ago
2009-03-22T23:54:22  <dennda> ok cool
2009-03-22T23:55:12  <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: I can't remember: How are students assigned to mentors?
2009-03-22T23:56:38  <dreimark> we have to decide what or whom  we like to mentor :)
2009-03-22T23:57:14  <ThomasWaldmann> and we have to discuss what matches best
2009-03-22T23:57:32  <dreimark> of course
2009-03-22T23:58:42  <dennda> ok
2009-03-22T23:58:44  <ThomasWaldmann> in the end, assigned mentor will be rather the primary mentor and all others (who like to) will also be secondary mentors
2009-03-22T23:59:05  <dennda> yeah sure, I know that's the theory
2009-03-22T23:59:27  <ThomasWaldmann> of course they will be also busy with their primary students...
2009-03-22T23:59:40  <dennda> just happens I have a preference this year if you decide to accept my application :D