MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2009-01-19

2009-01-19T00:06:22  <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: how do you handle bugfixes / security updates for parts of such a bundle?
2009-01-19T00:11:38  <ThomasWaldmann> that's a problem of course
2009-01-19T00:59:35  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: (patch) - isn't that also achieved by markup = ''?
2009-01-19T01:00:18  <ThomasWaldmann> (i didn't look at the full src, just at your patch)
2009-01-19T01:20:21  <CIA-25> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 4247:c76d50dac855 1.8/MoinMoin/converter/text_html_text_moin_wiki.py: text_html_text_moin_wiki: bug fix for GuiEditorBreaksIndentedTable
2009-01-19T01:20:46  <dreimark> yeah, seen this too wanted to be more sure
2009-01-19T01:21:24  <dreimark> but however invoking a special markupof " " for tables is quite strange
2009-01-19T01:24:09  * dreimark thinks we can solve the GuiEditorRemovesEscapingCharForPlural bug by using css tricks
2009-01-19T01:24:40  <dreimark> I think we should use an additional class for the empty ``
2009-01-19T01:26:48  <ThomasWaldmann> it'll kill that nevertheless
2009-01-19T01:29:26  <dreimark> no it doesn't if we add a char which will be killed by css
2009-01-19T01:34:13  <ThomasWaldmann> ?
2009-01-19T01:35:51  <ThomasWaldmann> you will see that char in the gui editor
2009-01-19T01:38:33  <dreimark> I think we need a class which makes quite invisible signs by a very low fontsize
2009-01-19T01:38:54  <dreimark> then we can use a blank ' ' or something smaller
2009-01-19T01:40:44  <ThomasWaldmann> it'll strip that blank
2009-01-19T01:40:56  <ThomasWaldmann> but one thing could work:
2009-01-19T01:42:15  <ThomasWaldmann> modify parser to detect empty text for ``. in that case, create a "display:none" style tag with some content (e.g. "." or "dontkillme")
2009-01-19T01:42:34  <ThomasWaldmann> modify converter to detect this case when converting back to wiki markup
2009-01-19T01:42:56  * ThomasWaldmann .oO(what a hack)
2009-01-19T01:49:23  <dreimark> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/100331/
2009-01-19T01:49:29  <dreimark> it does not strip it away
2009-01-19T01:49:44  <dreimark> and we have yet no class definition for backtick
2009-01-19T01:51:12  <ThomasWaldmann> why not just assign a blank to the var in that condition, why do you duplicate the code?
2009-01-19T01:51:47  <ThomasWaldmann> and that definitely needs a comment
2009-01-19T01:52:09  <dreimark> it is a example only yet
2009-01-19T01:53:23  <ThomasWaldmann> tt_bt_text = tt_bt_text or " "
2009-01-19T01:54:33  <ThomasWaldmann> that's not enough, though, we need to know when this was artificially added
2009-01-19T01:56:35  <ThomasWaldmann> http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/ < hehe. (but it won't happen :)
2009-01-19T02:00:01  <dreimark> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/100334/ for now backtick class needs to be introduced later
2009-01-19T02:02:51  <ThomasWaldmann> +        # the backtick class removes " " to make plural escaping chars possible  < no!
2009-01-19T02:03:23  <ThomasWaldmann> backtick class make backtick markup when code has this class
2009-01-19T02:03:48  <ThomasWaldmann> (otherwise it is {{{ iirc)
2009-01-19T02:04:44  <dreimark> yes
2009-01-19T02:05:08  <dreimark> TheSheep: are you still awake? commtents wanted :)
2009-01-19T02:08:28  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/GuiEditorRemovesEscapingCharForPlural
2009-01-19T02:13:21  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/GuiEditorChangesDefinitionLists is not easy to fix. self.depth becomes twice times increased because of two kind of lists
2009-01-19T02:14:02  <dreimark> and the second table row becomes wrong by this
2009-01-19T02:19:56  * ThomasWaldmann goes to bed, gn
2009-01-19T02:20:54  <dreimark> good night ThomasWaldmann
2009-01-19T08:14:38  <TheSheep> dreimark: one is tempted to make it <span class="empty"> </span> and then remove the empty span with css
2009-01-19T08:14:46  <TheSheep> dreimark: but that'd be wrong
2009-01-19T09:22:08  <dreimark> moin
2009-01-19T09:25:23  <TheSheep> moinmoin
2009-01-19T09:27:01  <dreimark> TheSheep: we don't have a backtick class yet, can we use it for that trick?
2009-01-19T09:30:04  <TheSheep> dreimark: it's wrong
2009-01-19T09:30:22  <TheSheep> dreimark: besides, it's the js code that removes it
2009-01-19T09:31:08  <TheSheep> I suppose that's where it should be "fixed"
2009-01-19T14:56:17  <dreimark> that new mercurial version has got a speed acceleration
2009-01-19T14:58:01  <grzybacz> ?
2009-01-19T14:58:08  <grzybacz> --work-faster?
2009-01-19T14:58:32  <dreimark> yeah, cloning seems much faster now
2009-01-19T15:04:49  <waldi> --dwim
2009-01-19T17:03:56  <CIA-25> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 328:d130a623d14a 1.7-extensions/htdocs/arnica/css/text_x_arnica.css: css/text_x_arnica: added light grey background color for .thumbnail and adjusted the bottom margin
2009-01-19T17:04:42  <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: --dwimadif
2009-01-19T17:05:04  <waldi> "adif"?
2009-01-19T17:05:15  <waldi> ah, okay
2009-01-19T17:05:17  <ThomasWaldmann> "... and do it fast"
2009-01-19T18:04:24  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, maybe we should mark SOC projects that are important different from others that are just nice ideas, but non-essential
2009-01-19T18:05:58  <ThomasWaldmann> from my inbox: I takled with Rick Vanderveer about the future of moin docs
2009-01-19T18:06:11  <ThomasWaldmann> talked* :)
2009-01-19T18:07:06  <ThomasWaldmann> we found that having some quick install docs (easy) and server admin docs (highlevel) on moinmaster,
2009-01-19T18:07:42  <ThomasWaldmann> plus a community HowTo collection on moinmo.in site is maybe the best solution.
2009-01-19T20:27:55  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: if we mark the tasks we can run in the same situation as last time.
2009-01-19T20:38:38  <ThomasWaldmann> like?
2009-01-19T20:44:10  <dreimark> the students don't suggest task they can work on.
2009-01-19T20:44:56  <dreimark> I think it is better to let them choose first one of the list and tell them if they talk with us that they can choose another one too#
2009-01-19T21:02:17  <ThomasWaldmann> you mean they choose task they can't do on their skill level?
2009-01-19T21:04:34  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe we can notice that early if we don't give too many details
2009-01-19T21:05:22  <ThomasWaldmann> if they have no clue about it then, they won't be able to produce a detailled application for it
2009-01-19T21:06:26  <ThomasWaldmann> (that of course creates a problem for students coming in late)
2009-01-19T21:08:23  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, I guess we'll do it a bit differently for the skill level check than last years
2009-01-19T21:09:16  <ThomasWaldmann> at least for the ones we do not know and if they can't show own OSS contributions
2009-01-19T21:10:00  <ThomasWaldmann> then I guess they'll get some small task to code in python
2009-01-19T21:18:14  <dennda> tbh
2009-01-19T21:18:28  <dennda> it took me quite some time to get my head around that whole storage thing :-)
2009-01-19T21:19:56  <ThomasWaldmann> that's not a problem
2009-01-19T21:20:12  <dennda> of course you need to somehow "control" the tasks students are going to tackle, otherwise you'll have tasks like "make moin fly" (i.e., some task that you just shake your head at)
2009-01-19T21:20:21  <dennda> why is that not a problem, ThomasWaldmann?
2009-01-19T21:20:39  <dennda> the faster you get it, the faster you can produce reasonable code
2009-01-19T21:21:12  <ThomasWaldmann> it would've been a problem if you would've been not honest about your skills and you would've gotten a task far beyond your abilities
2009-01-19T21:21:49  <dennda> well if you lie that's always a bad start of a relationship
2009-01-19T21:22:03  <ThomasWaldmann> as i noted on the main page, we do not expect expert moin coders
2009-01-19T21:22:31  <dennda> of course not; where should those come from? :P
2009-01-19T21:22:54  <ThomasWaldmann> from former moin SOC students or developers :D
2009-01-19T21:23:10  <dennda> you can't run that ad infinitum :-)
2009-01-19T21:23:23  <ThomasWaldmann> but, although possible, that's not quite the point of SOC
2009-01-19T21:24:14  <dennda> i'm just pointing out that it may be very helpful to give a basic and easy to understand introduction into moin in general and the specific task
2009-01-19T21:24:40  <dennda> after students have been selected, that is
2009-01-19T21:25:34  <ThomasWaldmann> for tough tasks that is not easy
2009-01-19T21:25:52  <ThomasWaldmann> sometimes we have to find out what we want first
2009-01-19T21:25:54  <dennda> tell me about it...
2009-01-19T21:26:22  <dennda> if johill and all of you hadn't been that patient with my seemingly stupid questions I wouldn't have gotten very far :-)
2009-01-19T21:26:49  <ThomasWaldmann> if we knew everything beforehand, we could save lots of time :)
2009-01-19T21:27:29  * ThomasWaldmann can't remember where that crystal ball was
2009-01-19T21:28:34  <dennda> just saying that it's better to get easy-to-get-rid-of obstacles out of the way in the beginning
2009-01-19T21:29:35  <ThomasWaldmann> that "everything you ever wanted to know about moin development" howto still needs volunteers :)
2009-01-19T21:30:44  <ThomasWaldmann> see page HowTo :D
2009-01-19T21:31:31  <dennda> hey, i'm just giving input on how to possibly improve the gsoc-experience (buzzwordy) :D
2009-01-19T21:32:18  <dennda> you don't need to tell me how moin or the task I'm glancing at work; i know that by now :)
2009-01-19T21:34:08  <ThomasWaldmann> (that was more about w than r :)
2009-01-19T21:35:40  <dennda> :-)
2009-01-19T21:36:00  * dennda is more about zZzZzzzZzzZz than w
2009-01-19T21:41:38  <dennda> umm
2009-01-19T21:42:02  <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: You don't happen to know whether it's possible to be a mentor for more than one project/student, do you?
2009-01-19T21:47:12  <ThomasWaldmann> I guess it is allowed. But maybe not advisable.
2009-01-19T21:47:58  <dennda> sure, just wondering
2009-01-19T21:48:07  <ThomasWaldmann> Of course it depends on many factors (your free time, how much mentoring your students need)
2009-01-19T21:49:37  <ThomasWaldmann> What's not allowed (IIRC), is to be mentor and student.
2009-01-19T21:51:47  <dennda> yes
2009-01-19T21:51:49  <dennda> sadly
2009-01-19T21:51:50  <dennda> :-)
2009-01-19T21:52:23  <dennda> (yeah I know)
2009-01-19T21:57:58  <dennda> gn
2009-01-19T21:58:45  <ThomasWaldmann> gn dennda
2009-01-19T23:03:18  <CIA-25> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 329:cc052e263d84 1.7-extensions/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
2009-01-19T23:03:18  <CIA-25> text_x_arnica (parser, css): rearanged order of data below the image to: 1. tools, 2. date exif information, 3.filename/description.
2009-01-19T23:03:18  <CIA-25> That makes it easier to have a longer description with multiple lines and and other elements in the same line.
2009-01-19T23:17:46  <CIA-25> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 330:3f6de5cba911 1.7-extensions/data/plugin/parser/text_x_arnica.py: text_x_arnica: get_image_alias checks also for '|' in line.
2009-01-19T23:23:48  * ThomasWaldmann found a picture for the HowTo page :D
2009-01-19T23:27:04  <dreimark> hehehehe
2009-01-19T23:27:50  <dreimark> lol
2009-01-19T23:29:13  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: what's with the copyright?
2009-01-19T23:29:56  <ThomasWaldmann> a) the site tells it is free to use
2009-01-19T23:30:11  <ThomasWaldmann> b) i have created it with their generator
2009-01-19T23:40:14  <dreimark> the question is if they have the rights on the image
2009-01-19T23:44:32  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, I currently try to find out
2009-01-19T23:49:09  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, looks like Fox has copyright/tm on the simpsons. and addletters.com is registered privately (anon webmaster).
2009-01-19T23:59:59  * ThomasWaldmann updated the page