MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2009-01-18

2009-01-18T00:00:43  * dreimark reads
2009-01-18T00:01:35  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: don't split if one writes ##
2009-01-18T00:10:21  <ThomasWaldmann> like C##syntax? :P
2009-01-18T00:19:38  <dreimark> ##WhatEver##
2009-01-18T12:38:26  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2009-01-18T12:40:57  <dreimark> moin
2009-01-18T12:41:21  <ThomasWaldmann> I have changed the moin anchor code to work consistently now for pagelinks and interwikilinks
2009-01-18T12:41:50  <ThomasWaldmann> it still uses the old/current way PageName#anchor
2009-01-18T12:42:35  <ThomasWaldmann> (as I don't want to change how to link to anchors within 1.8.x)
2009-01-18T12:44:37  <ThomasWaldmann> wikiutil.split_anchor() is new to reduce code duplication
2009-01-18T12:44:50  <dreimark> ok
2009-01-18T12:45:18  * dreimark has removed all GuiEditorChangesDefinitionLists patches. 
2009-01-18T12:46:31  * ThomasWaldmann does some final tests
2009-01-18T12:46:50  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: i also changed the creole parser accordingly
2009-01-18T12:51:20  * ThomasWaldmann runs unit tests
2009-01-18T12:52:39  <ThomasWaldmann> [[C##|C#]] is a dirty little trick that works now (even for interwiki)
2009-01-18T12:52:57  <ThomasWaldmann> due to rsplit('#',1)
2009-01-18T12:54:55  <CIA-25> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4245:af211e2f132c 1.8/MoinMoin/ (6 files in 3 dirs): moved anchor parsing from formatter to parsers, fixed anchor parsing for interwiki links, reduce code duplication by new wikiutil.split_anchor()
2009-01-18T12:54:55  <CIA-25> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4246:fecec62aa2a7 1.8/ (MoinMoin/widget/browser.py wiki/htdocs/common/js/common.js): merged main
2009-01-18T12:55:20  <ThomasWaldmann> please review ^^
2009-01-18T13:01:57  <TheSheep>      2.7 -from MoinMoin.support.python_compatibility import rsplit # Needed for python 2.3
2009-01-18T13:02:00  <TheSheep> ?
2009-01-18T13:02:09  <TheSheep> why removed?
2009-01-18T13:02:23  <TheSheep> aah, I see now
2009-01-18T13:02:24  <TheSheep> sorry
2009-01-18T13:03:51  <TheSheep> looks good
2009-01-18T13:38:31  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: the recovery token stuff worked, did you test it?
2009-01-18T13:40:20  <ThomasWaldmann> looking at the 1.8 changelog, it looks like we can do 1.8.2 soon
2009-01-18T13:43:39  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: yes I did. works perfectly with 2.6 now.
2009-01-18T13:43:56  <ThomasWaldmann> ok
2009-01-18T19:40:56  * ThomasWaldmann writes up some stuff for a potential moin SOC
2009-01-18T20:02:27  <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/GoogleSoc2009 (for MoinCoreTeamGroup)
2009-01-18T21:04:19  <ThomasWaldmann> http://moinmo.in/GoogleSoc2009/InitialProjectIdeas (for MoinCoreTeamGroup)
2009-01-18T21:34:00  <ThomasWaldmann> (as Google informally, but rather publically announced SOC2009, I added ACLs All:read)
2009-01-18T21:37:55  <dreimark> _get_list_item_markup creates for tables in convert_tree markup of " "
2009-01-18T21:44:45  <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: dreimark: grzywacz: ronny: TheSheep: vpv: waldi: xorAxAx: zenhase_: please review / comment on those pages
2009-01-18T21:45:53  <dennda> heh
2009-01-18T21:46:07  <dennda> do you want me to give my precious idea away? :D
2009-01-18T21:48:29  <dreimark> dennda: may be you have more than one idea. An idea where you think one else can work on
2009-01-18T21:49:11  <dennda> hm i'd need to give that some thought
2009-01-18T21:49:24  <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: if you like to participate as student, add your name and comment on the other ideas.
2009-01-18T21:49:43  <dennda> there's at least one idea I'd really like to realize
2009-01-18T21:49:59  <dennda> ok lemme add it
2009-01-18T21:50:26  <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: "on the other ideas"?
2009-01-18T21:50:45  <ThomasWaldmann> whatever you have to note or add :)
2009-01-18T21:51:29  <ThomasWaldmann> especially your "what's missing in storage" ideas are interesting
2009-01-18T21:51:54  <ThomasWaldmann> and generally, we should keep the ideas list brief, so that it is not enough for creating an application
2009-01-18T21:56:41  <dennda> done
2009-01-18T21:56:56  <dennda> I will give it more thought and add further ideas as they come
2009-01-18T21:57:31  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, nothing from me on that list, I'm afraid. :)
2009-01-18T21:57:51  <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: btw, is it 500$ to the organization or to the mentor? (i mean officially, not any moin specific mentor-agreement)
2009-01-18T21:57:59  <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: "full integration" can be quite much :D
2009-01-18T21:58:28  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: add anything missing
2009-01-18T21:58:37  <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: it is for the org
2009-01-18T21:58:41  <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: yeah i know but somebody has to finish it :-)
2009-01-18T21:58:59  <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: so what is the actual benefit for the mentor other than a shirt?
2009-01-18T21:59:05  <ThomasWaldmann> but as there is no formal "organization" for moin, it is for the mentor
2009-01-18T21:59:12  * dennda would love to be a mentor, but it's just not as attractive :D
2009-01-18T21:59:25  <ThomasWaldmann> except if mentor donates it for some other usage
2009-01-18T21:59:45  <ThomasWaldmann> (like e.g. renting a server or other stuff)
2009-01-18T22:00:23  <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: it depends on the amount of time you have
2009-01-18T22:00:39  <ThomasWaldmann> see requirements :)
2009-01-18T22:00:39  <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: agreed
2009-01-18T22:01:13  <ThomasWaldmann> i hope all mentors can agree this year on a bit more strict requirements
2009-01-18T22:01:31  <ThomasWaldmann> i don't like the deadline scheduling too much...
2009-01-18T22:02:15  <dennda> me neither, but I realized it's not easy to change that
2009-01-18T22:04:33  <ThomasWaldmann> some things can be done easily
2009-01-18T22:04:45  <dennda> like?
2009-01-18T22:05:03  <dennda> #
2009-01-18T22:05:04  <dennda> You must use Python 2.4 for development and testing (see MoinMoin.support.python_compatibility for some useful stuff).
2009-01-18T22:05:11  <ThomasWaldmann> e.g. I moved "test your code with py 2.x" from the end to a general requirement about it.
2009-01-18T22:05:12  <dennda> progress \o/ :D
2009-01-18T22:05:35  <ThomasWaldmann> if you do it all the time, you don't have to test it at the end
2009-01-18T22:05:44  <dennda> indeed
2009-01-18T22:06:00  <dreimark> and one should do a real installation not evereything in the standolone server
2009-01-18T22:06:14  <dreimark> until the end
2009-01-18T22:06:37  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: as it is all wsgi then, it shouldn't matter much for most projects
2009-01-18T22:08:28  <ThomasWaldmann> also, strictly requiring SOMETHING each work-day and giving concrete values for required work time / allowed vacancy will more evenly distribute work
2009-01-18T22:08:36  <dennda> any comments on the sqla backend? I have that in mind for quite some time already and think it'd be a good idea
2009-01-18T22:08:58  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: it does matter if new dirs were added or auth is somehow involved
2009-01-18T22:09:02  <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: i dont know much about sqla, but it sounds good
2009-01-18T22:09:15  <ThomasWaldmann> dirs?
2009-01-18T22:09:38  <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: well, essentially it'd allow you to use any of the dbs supported by sqla in a database agnostic manner since sqla already takes care of the abstraction to the db
2009-01-18T22:09:42  <dennda> that's the point of it
2009-01-18T22:10:09  <ThomasWaldmann> well, i know that, I just don't know how good it is
2009-01-18T22:10:36  <dennda> I have hardly ever heard somebody speak bad of it :-)
2009-01-18T22:10:45  <dennda> we're using it in both; inyoka and zine
2009-01-18T22:12:40  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: setup.py doesn't know new subdirs on default
2009-01-18T22:15:17  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: that's a problem, but a minor one
2009-01-18T22:15:43  <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: how about sqla and win32/osx?
2009-01-18T22:25:52  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, looks like it is pure python and at least sqlite is part of python (in 2.5)
2009-01-18T22:30:16  <waldi> is this module built in into the win32 python distributoions?
2009-01-18T22:30:19  <waldi> •/away
2009-01-18T22:33:26  <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: no idea, but the docs don't tell anything about specific platform restrictions
2009-01-18T22:48:35  <dennda> dunno, never used it on win32 / macos. I'd need to find out
2009-01-18T23:08:03  <ThomasWaldmann> if it works on those platforms and we bundle all needed stuff, it would solve that other backend todo.
2009-01-18T23:08:07  <ThomasWaldmann> dennda:
2009-01-18T23:09:31  <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: "bundle all needed stuff"? what other backend todo precisely?
2009-01-18T23:09:44  <ThomasWaldmann> the "make a backend that works on win32"
2009-01-18T23:09:52  <dennda> ah
2009-01-18T23:09:56  <dennda> yes
2009-01-18T23:10:28  <ThomasWaldmann> of course a FS backend would be smaller, but well...
2009-01-18T23:11:53  <dennda> sqlite is a compromise between a sqlbackend and a fs backend :)
2009-01-18T23:12:12  <dennda> at least for smaller deployment scenarios
2009-01-18T23:14:54  <ThomasWaldmann> yeah, it would just mean that we have to bundle sqla and sqlite (for 2.4) for easy standalone use
2009-01-18T23:26:36  <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: "bundle" as in "ship it with moin"?
2009-01-18T23:29:25  <ThomasWaldmann> otherwise it is not standalone
2009-01-18T23:59:45  <dreimark> WikiName''s -> after gui edit WikiName''s ''
2009-01-18T23:59:53  <dreimark> (this is no backtick)