MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-09-30

2008-09-30T09:04:03  <dreimark> moin
2008-09-30T09:07:19  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-09-30T09:33:01  <CIA-25> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3828:a952d07dea69 1.7/MoinMoin/security/textcha.py: TextChas: fix treatment of unknown keys
2008-09-30T09:37:31  <CIA-25> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3829:0bf173b2d64a 1.7/MoinMoin/request/__init__.py: remove superfluous linefeed in timing log output
2008-09-30T09:38:53  <CIA-25> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4157:d09af4cc80f9 1.8/ (4 files in 4 dirs): merge moin/1.7
2008-09-30T10:35:55  <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: waldi: if you want to help, keep your repo updated with the current main repo (that is moin/1.9 meanwhile)
2008-09-30T20:35:29  <ThomasWaldmann> can someone read my mailinglist mails? am I talking chinese? :)
2008-09-30T21:18:10  <dreimark> will do later, currently I have to get why thunderbird crashes by attaching a file not from the current dir
2008-09-30T21:21:03  <grzywacz> I think Mr Moore has some valid arguments on the attachment issue.
2008-09-30T21:23:59  <ThomasWaldmann> sure, but no solution :)
2008-09-30T21:45:41  <dreimark> hmm, we can make the difference in that way that we have a list of mime-types a browser can by it's own render in place
2008-09-30T21:46:21  <dreimark> and any other mimetype given in transclusion syntax goes to the "ugly" attachment page
2008-09-30T21:47:18  <dreimark> then we can use the [[ ]] which now goes to the rendering page use exclusivly for the downloading functionality
2008-09-30T21:47:38  <ThomasWaldmann> there is no such list
2008-09-30T21:48:02  <dreimark> we can create one, or one has to do overwrite it in wikiconfig
2008-09-30T21:48:42  <ThomasWaldmann> a) you don't know users' browsers b) you don't know installed extensions c) you don't know what user prefers
2008-09-30T21:50:14  <ThomasWaldmann> d) the wiki admin does not know either :)
2008-09-30T21:51:15  <dreimark> now if you have an attachment on a page the browser tries to download the application for that mimetype from somewhere
2008-09-30T21:51:30  <dreimark> we need only a fallback if there is no plugin available
2008-09-30T21:52:39  <dreimark> and if you have a program which can read the file and there is no plugin available you want to save that file and to open it with this program
2008-09-30T21:55:57  <dreimark> I don't know currently if we can get a browser to go to our fallback page if there is no plugin available
2008-09-30T22:05:26  <ThomasWaldmann> no idea
2008-09-30T22:06:47  <ThomasWaldmann> but if one first solves/accepts the "we don't want to query mimetype for every target item" problem, the possibilities to solve are quite clear
2008-09-30T22:11:21  <ThomasWaldmann> not wanting to query the mimetype implies that our inline links (if there is 1 link per link markup) will be all the same
2008-09-30T22:11:57  <ThomasWaldmann> and if they are all the same, it implies we need to link to rendered view
2008-09-30T22:23:48  <dreimark> how do we find out if one enters {{attachment:example.sh}} which can go to our rendered view page
2008-09-30T22:24:14  <dreimark> and {{attachment:example.png}} which should be rendered in the page
2008-09-30T22:31:16  <dreimark> strange I have a wikipage with a shell script attached but that shell script is not linked from the page itselfs. The browser wants me to install a plugin application/x-shellscripz
2008-09-30T22:31:27  * dreimark needs to go to the server room
2008-09-30T22:31:29  <dreimark> bbl
2008-09-30T22:44:23  <dreimark> re
2008-09-30T23:00:08  <dreimark> looks like a dilemma currently
2008-09-30T23:05:52  <dreimark> if i look at the object definition it should be possible to define it that way that it uses a users plugin and if there is none to show the alternativ rendered view page
2008-09-30T23:07:16  <dreimark> then the question is if we can define every transclusion as object
2008-09-30T23:09:54  <dreimark> and which browsers can be used
2008-09-30T23:12:02  <dreimark> htg
2008-09-30T23:12:04  <dreimark> gn
2008-09-30T23:40:50  <ThomasWaldmann> gn dreimark
2008-09-30T23:41:20  <ThomasWaldmann> (btw, transclusion is a completely different thing)