2008-08-04T00:01:12 <dennda> Sorry, didn't mean to be rude or anything. For me it's just hard to tell them apart, as I am not that much into Asian culture
2008-08-04T00:02:10 <ThomasWaldmann> lots of funny chars :P
2008-08-04T00:02:50 <dennda> And so many of them
2008-08-04T00:05:08 <waldi> and flash
2008-08-04T00:05:37 <dennda> waldi: That's not only common among asian websites, is it? :)
2008-08-04T00:14:21 <dreimark> gn
2008-08-04T00:17:33 <byeongweon> dennda: I'm not blame you :) . I just feel non-asian people confused about asian language character
2008-08-04T00:17:58 <dennda> Well, they do look similar for foreign people like me
2008-08-04T00:21:00 <TheSheep> byeongweon: there are some similarities: they are all square, pretty complicated, etc.
2008-08-04T00:21:38 <TheSheep> I guess you could confuse cyrrylic, greek and latin alphabets too
2008-08-04T00:22:46 <byeongweon> TheSheep: yes. it looks like same character :)
2008-08-04T00:32:27 <xorAxAx> why would he confuse latin and cyrillic?
2008-08-04T00:33:06 <TheSheep> xorAxAx: because cyrillic was based on latin and greek alphabets
2008-08-04T00:33:22 <xorAxAx> TheSheep: but he knows the latin alphabet
2008-08-04T00:34:00 <TheSheep> xorAxAx: the style is similar
2008-08-04T00:34:32 <TheSheep> xorAxAx: the spacing, ascenders and descenders, how complicated the glyphs are, etc.
2008-08-04T00:35:00 <TheSheep> xorAxAx: they even all use the same elements
2008-08-04T00:35:40 <xorAxAx> to me CJK looks very different
2008-08-04T00:36:01 <TheSheep> xorAxAx: but katakana is a little similar
2008-08-04T00:36:17 <TheSheep> xorAxAx: teh yall use the same elements
2008-08-04T00:37:27 <TheSheep> xorAxAx: like ㇷ and ﾄ
2008-08-04T00:37:54 <xorAxAx> yes, i know the basic strokes
2008-08-04T00:39:55 <TheSheep> otoh, CJK doesn't usually have squares and circles -- that's why I said they are characteristic of Hangul
2008-08-04T00:40:26 <xorAxAx> yeah
2008-08-04T00:41:29 <byeongweon> TheSheep: yes, you are. korean(hangul) hava lots of circles
2008-08-04T00:42:16 <TheSheep> byeongweon: "ieung", right?
2008-08-04T00:42:36 <byeongweon> TheSheep: wow. how do you know that?
2008-08-04T00:42:55 <TheSheep> byeongweon: a friend of mine has a grilfriend who teaches Korean :)
2008-08-04T00:43:02 <TheSheep> girlfriend
2008-08-04T00:43:26 <dennda> (The truth is, he just read the Wikipedia-Article)
2008-08-04T00:43:27 <dennda> :)
2008-08-04T00:44:05 <byeongweon> the girlfriend is korean?
2008-08-04T00:45:34 <TheSheep> byeongweon: no, they just like to learn languages
2008-08-04T00:45:47 <TheSheep> he pointed me to this site: http://www.learnlangs.com/RWP/Korean/
2008-08-04T00:47:11 <byeongweon> hehe. you have very interesting friend.
2008-08-04T00:47:43 <TheSheep> byeongweon: they are actually into Esperanto mostly, they even experimented with using Hangul to write Esperanto :)
2008-08-04T00:49:01 <TheSheep> constructed alphabet for constructed language, it fits :)
2008-08-04T00:51:20 <xorAxAx> lol
2008-08-04T00:52:28 <ThomasWaldmann> byeongweon: btw, moin has special support for hangul :)
2008-08-04T00:53:03 <ThomasWaldmann> (for TitleIndex iirc)
2008-08-04T00:56:32 <byeongweon> :)
2008-08-04T00:57:30 <byeongweon> TheSheep: the site you pointed is very interesting.
2008-08-04T00:57:42 <TheSheep> byeongweon: that's her site, actually
2008-08-04T00:58:33 <byeongweon> oh. really? I look around the site. I think she can use korean very well.
2008-08-04T00:59:00 <byeongweon> korean words in that site are perfect nothing wrong.
2008-08-04T01:00:04 <TheSheep> she probably checked them in a dictionary ;)
2008-08-04T01:00:11 <TheSheep> I would
2008-08-04T01:01:03 <byeongweon> even if that, her understanding about korean is as same as me :)
2008-08-04T01:01:35 <TheSheep> cool, I gotta tell her when I see her :)
2008-08-04T01:02:28 <byeongweon> actually. I studied chinese before. and learning english few years.
2008-08-04T01:02:48 <TheSheep> byeongweon: which Chinese?
2008-08-04T01:02:49 <byeongweon> what I realize is learning other language is not easy :)
2008-08-04T01:03:17 <byeongweon> beijing one.
2008-08-04T01:03:39 <TheSheep> the harder one, I've heard
2008-08-04T01:04:35 <byeongweon> I was learn chinese on high school. my teacher studied in beizing university.
2008-08-04T01:05:08 <TheSheep> I've only saw some simple explanations of Mandarin
2008-08-04T01:05:26 <TheSheep> how they build the meanings out of blocks
2008-08-04T01:05:47 <TheSheep> it's probably not even as clear in practice, I suppose
2008-08-04T01:06:47 <TheSheep> byeongweon: you are lucky, you know the most popular languages on Earth :)
2008-08-04T01:07:28 <byeongweon> because of chinese character have very long history. it changed many times.
2008-08-04T01:07:49 <byeongweon> that makes they have various character system.
2008-08-04T01:08:30 <byeongweon> TheSheep: hehe. but I don't remember what I learned all. I just say hello or something like that.
2008-08-04T01:09:04 <TheSheep> byeongweon: well, at least you can decipher some Chinese using a dictionary
2008-08-04T01:10:18 <byeongweon> yes. in fact, we use chinese character also. so most korean already know hundreds of chinese character.
2008-08-04T01:10:45 <byeongweon> some people know thousands of chinese character.
2008-08-04T01:11:31 <TheSheep> I've heard about 300 is the most minimum you need to read a newspaper
2008-08-04T01:12:12 <byeongweon> few years ago
2008-08-04T01:12:35 <byeongweon> newpaper use chinese character to classify word meaning.
2008-08-04T01:13:21 <byeongweon> but now most newpaper didn't use it. or just use that besides of hangul word
2008-08-04T01:14:17 <byeongweon> so these days we don't need understanding of chinese to read newspaper :)
2008-08-04T01:15:19 <byeongweon> in fact, young koreans know only few chinese character because of they don't use that.
2008-08-04T01:16:05 <TheSheep> a little shame, it's faster to read
2008-08-04T01:16:25 <TheSheep> once you learn it all, that is
2008-08-04T01:17:46 <xorAxAx> TheSheep: he doesnt know spanish :)
2008-08-04T01:18:24 <TheSheep> xorAxAx: why Spanish?
2008-08-04T01:18:25 <xorAxAx> spanish is the most often seen native language
2008-08-04T01:18:29 <xorAxAx> behind chinese
2008-08-04T01:18:42 <TheSheep> really?
2008-08-04T01:19:04 <byeongweon> yes. many south american use that.
2008-08-04T01:19:13 <xorAxAx> TheSheep: yes
2008-08-04T01:19:18 <TheSheep> I don't think I've ever seen any longer text in Spanish, are you sure it doesn't only apply to the territory of Spain?
2008-08-04T01:19:34 <xorAxAx> TheSheep: gah
2008-08-04T01:19:38 * byeongweon going home to have a breakfast
2008-08-04T01:19:41 <xorAxAx> i mean most native speakers speak spanish
2008-08-04T01:19:43 <xorAxAx> or whatever :)
2008-08-04T01:19:48 <xorAxAx> if you ignore chinese
2008-08-04T01:20:14 <xorAxAx> depending on the person who counts, spanish is on par with english
2008-08-04T01:23:33 <CIA-53> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4272:f6cae978c560 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/ (macro2/WikiConfigHelp.py macro/WikiConfigHelp.py): Migrate WikiConfigHelp macro to new interface
2008-08-04T01:24:56 <ThomasWaldman2> waldi: see XXX in there ^^
2008-08-04T01:42:29 <CIA-53> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4273:278e8d7ed43b 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/ (macro2/WikiConfig.py macro/WikiConfig.py): Migrate WikiConfig macro to new interface
2008-08-04T01:42:53 <ThomasWaldman2> waldi: see XXX in there ^^
2008-08-04T02:07:44 <CIA-53> Pawel Pacana <pawel.pacana@gmail.com> default * 4437:fda9598074bc 1.8-mercurialbackend-ppacana/MoinMoin/action/AttachFile.py: Merge with 1.8-storage-cdenter.
2008-08-04T02:07:45 <CIA-53> Pawel Pacana <pawel.pacana@gmail.com> default * 4438:949dc8e25bdb 1.8-mercurialbackend-ppacana/tests/wikiconfig.py: Fixed missing import.
2008-08-04T02:07:46 <CIA-53> Pawel Pacana <pawel.pacana@gmail.com> default * 4439:66671d9b3615 1.8-mercurialbackend-ppacana/MoinMoin/storage/backends/hg.py: (hg) First attempt on merging items. Updating working dir after commit to satisfy merge.
2008-08-04T02:07:48 <CIA-53> Pawel Pacana <pawel.pacana@gmail.com> default * 4441:2c02c4447198 1.8-mercurialbackend-ppacana/ (MoinMoin/action/AttachFile.py tests/wikiconfig.py): Merge with 1.8-storage-cdenter.
2008-08-04T02:09:24 * dennda merges, too
2008-08-04T02:42:08 <PawelPacana> TheSheep: yours? http://www.moinmoin.at/images/moinmoin.jpg ;)
2008-08-04T02:52:09 <dennda> jesus
2008-08-04T02:52:13 <dennda> is that ugly :D
2008-08-04T02:52:22 <dennda> no, I think TheSheep does better than that
2008-08-04T03:09:10 <PawelPacana> just joking ;)
2008-08-04T03:18:52 <CIA-53> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 4274:46ec94831439 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/ (macro2/_base.py macro2/SystemInfo.py macro/SystemInfo.py): Migrate SystemInfo macro to new interface
2008-08-04T08:27:45 <dreimark> moin
2008-08-04T08:39:32 <dreimark> lol http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=24004
2008-08-04T08:52:27 <ThomasWaldman2> moin
2008-08-04T09:51:41 <TheSheep> moin
2008-08-04T10:14:35 <waldi> ThomasWaldmann: yeah. getText(wiki=True) produces html. maybe it should do tree fragments if possible
2008-08-04T10:19:37 <zenhase> moin
2008-08-04T11:45:18 <ThomasWaldmann> zenhase: how's your research going?
2008-08-04T11:47:05 <zenhase> it's making progress
2008-08-04T11:47:53 <zenhase> i hope to sum everything up today and hopefully have also some adapters that can be put into ./contrib
2008-08-04T11:49:32 <zenhase> i still need to contact alan saddi, as mitsuhiko wanted me to. if he let's me include a modified flup with moin, a lot of common install scenarios are already accounted for
2008-08-04T11:49:56 <zenhase> oh and tomorrow at 9:30 i have finally an appointment with a doctor regarding my wrist
2008-08-04T11:51:01 <ThomasWaldmann> maybe self-healing will make it superfluous that late...
2008-08-04T11:51:31 <zenhase> regarding modified flup: basic flup (or the plain one-file-fcgi-version that for example trac is shipping) lacks ability to run without any threads and processes
2008-08-04T11:51:51 <zenhase> (in case you want the webserver to control spawning of fcgi-processes)
2008-08-04T11:52:20 <ThomasWaldmann> lacks ... without?
2008-08-04T11:52:27 <zenhase> uhm
2008-08-04T11:52:39 <zenhase> yes :)
2008-08-04T11:52:56 <zenhase> you cannot run it without having threads spawned or processes forked
2008-08-04T11:53:14 <zenhase> there is no single-threaded variant
2008-08-04T11:53:43 <ThomasWaldmann> does it control the processes reliably?
2008-08-04T11:54:16 <zenhase> let's put it this way: never encountered any problems
2008-08-04T11:54:46 <ThomasWaldmann> and does it start them automatically, run them for N request, terminate them transparently, start new ones?
2008-08-04T11:56:43 <ThomasWaldmann> does it handle non-reacting processes?
2008-08-04T11:56:56 <zenhase> hmm
2008-08-04T11:57:14 <zenhase> it has a quite simple threadpool system
2008-08-04T11:57:54 <zenhase> i don't think it really realizes if threads hang
2008-08-04T11:58:30 <zenhase> which is also a reason why perhaps one would want some single-threaded/-processed variant
2008-08-04T11:58:56 <zenhase> most fcgi-implementations in webservers have options to define timeouts
2008-08-04T12:00:38 <xorAxAx> zenhase: you know that flup is totally broken? :)
2008-08-04T12:00:51 <xorAxAx> yeah, for that single threadingreason
2008-08-04T12:00:53 <ThomasWaldmann> btw, currently all the server related stuff lives in wiki/server/*
2008-08-04T12:01:08 <xorAxAx> there are various tunables in the sense of "no threads please" but it still gets it wrong
2008-08-04T12:01:37 <ThomasWaldmann> so maybe in your branch, there should be just the wsgi-related stuff in that directory
2008-08-04T12:02:03 <ThomasWaldmann> plus some additional subdirectories with adapter code and docs for each other method
2008-08-04T12:02:56 <zenhase> problem is, that when bundling existing adapter-code, that it doesn't integrate well with moin-packages when it's more than one file
2008-08-04T12:03:46 <zenhase> which is why mitsuhiko also suggested bundling something like flup via the contrib-directory and not in the moin-codetree
2008-08-04T12:04:22 <ThomasWaldmann> what do you mean with "doesn't integrate well"?
2008-08-04T12:06:02 <zenhase> i want to avoid changing all imports in such 3rd-party-code
2008-08-04T12:06:42 <ThomasWaldmann> ?
2008-08-04T12:07:34 <zenhase> if it is spread across several files in a package, all imports would have to be prefixed with MoinMoin.server, wouldn't they?
2008-08-04T12:08:20 <xorAxAx> zenhase: in trac, its only one module
2008-08-04T12:08:29 <xorAxAx> their flup
2008-08-04T12:08:38 <xorAxAx> (and zenhase is right wrt imports)
2008-08-04T12:08:56 <ThomasWaldmann> that stuff is rather MoinMoin.support btw
2008-08-04T12:09:45 <zenhase> xorAxAx: yeah, theirs is one file
2008-08-04T12:10:19 <zenhase> xorAxAx: but i wondered if it's better to bundle a full flup (for scgi and ajp too) than just the small one
2008-08-04T12:10:37 <xorAxAx> i dont think thats better
2008-08-04T12:10:58 <xorAxAx> because a) moin doesnt know scgi and ajp yet b) we dont want to increase the maintenance burden
2008-08-04T12:11:05 <xorAxAx> but in fact, i am running a moin with ajp already
2008-08-04T12:11:19 <xorAxAx> so in case i would install moin 1.8 or whatever, i could still reuse my ajp setup
2008-08-04T12:11:24 <xorAxAx> without moin caring about ajp
2008-08-04T12:12:00 <TheSheep> ajp?
2008-08-04T12:12:17 <xorAxAx> apache tomcat protocol
2008-08-04T12:12:26 <TheSheep> evil
2008-08-04T12:12:27 <xorAxAx> binary, fast, stable apache mod
2008-08-04T12:12:32 <zenhase> well, actually i think maintenance burden is less when adapters are kept out of the tree
2008-08-04T12:12:44 <xorAxAx> zenhase: yes, indeed. thats why only the trac flup makes sense
2008-08-04T12:13:00 <xorAxAx> to retain compatiblity and easy deployment
2008-08-04T12:13:40 <TheSheep> aka "please don't make me go through that pain again"
2008-08-04T12:13:58 <zenhase> xorAxAx: easy deployment as in 'no dependencies'?
2008-08-04T12:14:19 <xorAxAx> zenhase: and potentially even compatible apis. but i figure that most people dont care about that for void reasons
2008-08-04T12:14:29 <ThomasWaldmann> zenhase: yes, after thinking about, it is either contrib/ or ServerAdaptorMarket
2008-08-04T12:15:26 * ThomasWaldmann .oO(if we don't include it, we don't have to maintain docs about it :)
2008-08-04T12:16:02 <zenhase> well, docs is of course the thing that has to be maintained anyway ;)
2008-08-04T12:16:11 <waldi> hmm, I need to modify the serializer to produce unicode if requested
2008-08-04T12:16:32 <xorAxAx> waldi: does that exist - an unicode xml document?
2008-08-04T12:16:39 <xorAxAx> waldi: does it even make sense? :)
2008-08-04T12:17:14 <zenhase> xorAxAx: btw. how do you signal normal flup, that you would like single-thread-behaviour (disregarding that it gets it wrong)
2008-08-04T12:17:32 <xorAxAx> zenhase: i tried various things together with armin
2008-08-04T12:17:47 <xorAxAx> some classes have constructor parameters for thread counts
2008-08-04T12:17:53 <zenhase> yeah
2008-08-04T12:18:01 <xorAxAx> i even patched flups modules to let it go down the dummy threading code paths
2008-08-04T12:18:04 <zenhase> it's handed to the threadpool
2008-08-04T12:18:04 <xorAxAx> and it was still broken
2008-08-04T12:18:42 <zenhase> hmm ok :)
2008-08-04T12:23:57 <waldi> xorAxAx: no. thats why i modify the code currently to use a tree
2008-08-04T12:38:07 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4275:9e9dd74c68c6 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/i18n/__init__.py: i18n - Use converters, return tree fragments if requested
2008-08-04T12:38:10 <CIA-53> Bastian Blank <bblank@thinkmo.de> default * 4276:b3a77f467bd7 1.8-dom-bblank/MoinMoin/macro2/ (WikiConfig.py WikiConfigHelp.py): WikiConfig macro, WikiConfigHelp macro - Use tree result of getText
2008-08-04T12:45:27 <xorAxAx> waldi: + @param percent: unused
2008-08-04T12:45:28 <xorAxAx> huh
2008-08-04T12:45:44 <xorAxAx> buggy i would say :)
2008-08-04T12:46:59 <waldi> sure
2008-08-04T12:49:18 <xorAxAx> how about XXXX unused, introduce new % concept before using the branch :)
2008-08-04T12:49:29 <waldi> it was unused before
2008-08-04T12:50:02 <waldi> err, no
2008-08-04T12:54:51 <xorAxAx> its even rather new
2008-08-04T12:59:12 <CIA-53> Johannes Berg <johannes AT sipsolutions DOT net> default * 208:71fba6d8d138 1.7-extensions/data/plugin/parser/text_x_arnica.py: implement exif-tag based web/thumbnail rotation
2008-08-04T13:05:14 <dreimark> johill: that does not work for an image type which does not support or don't have exif information
2008-08-04T13:05:40 <dreimark> e.g. PngImageFile instance has no attribute '_getexif'
2008-08-04T13:06:38 <johill> oi
2008-08-04T13:06:44 <johill> ok I'll fix that
2008-08-04T13:07:50 <dreimark> meta data for some mime types sucks
2008-08-04T13:09:19 <johill> I thought it'd just return None then too
2008-08-04T13:10:58 <dreimark> yeah me probably too in the same situation (me had the luck that I've a screendump used on a page)
2008-08-04T13:12:16 <johill> :)
2008-08-04T13:12:29 <johill> hm push doesn't work
2008-08-04T13:13:06 <dreimark> it does "2 minutes agoJohannes Bergdon't fail when imag"
2008-08-04T13:13:14 <CIA-53> Johannes Berg <johannes AT sipsolutions DOT net> default * 209:475844e1d7a3 1.7-extensions/data/plugin/parser/text_x_arnica.py: don't fail when image objects have no _getexif method
2008-08-04T13:13:42 <johill> oh, cia again then
2008-08-04T13:13:46 <johill> crap thing
2008-08-04T13:14:52 <xorAxAx> we chose CIA because it offers a distributed ranting system
2008-08-04T13:14:52 <johill> ok now my ottawa thumb/webnails are shown correctly
2008-08-04T13:15:11 <TheSheep> xorAxAx: how so?
2008-08-04T13:15:12 <xorAxAx> just in case the enterprise arch of CIA drops/delays messages again, every opensource project rants at the same time
2008-08-04T13:15:14 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: action/cache.py", line 209, in _get_headers
2008-08-04T13:15:21 <dreimark> return meta['httpdate_last_modified'], meta['headers']
2008-08-04T13:15:28 <dreimark> TypeError: tuple indices must be integers
2008-08-04T13:15:32 <xorAxAx> "why cant they fix it?"
2008-08-04T13:15:37 <johill> I don't see a point in cia to start with
2008-08-04T13:15:43 <xorAxAx> in fact, its another opensource project running on 256 MB of ram or so
2008-08-04T13:16:38 <johill> so what _is_ the point?
2008-08-04T13:17:56 <johill> it seems to me that cia is just another "my cock is bigger than yours" system, except it's distributed now so you don't have to directly compare
2008-08-04T13:18:31 <xorAxAx> first of all it provides vcs2irc notifications
2008-08-04T13:18:47 <xorAxAx> if there werent these reliability issues on the server side, its the best such system i have seen :)
2008-08-04T13:19:03 <johill> we could run the stack on our own for that
2008-08-04T13:19:25 <xorAxAx> yeah, i think everybody would be fine with that
2008-08-04T13:19:36 <xorAxAx> besides the admin who has to set it up (even though its all python)
2008-08-04T13:20:07 <johill> but even then the fact that it's all synchronous is stupid
2008-08-04T13:20:28 <xorAxAx> its not
2008-08-04T13:20:36 <xorAxAx> its multi-multi-tier
2008-08-04T13:20:49 <xorAxAx> there are some queues involved somewhere
2008-08-04T13:20:56 <xorAxAx> but most often the primary tier collapses
2008-08-04T13:21:02 <johill> it sure is synchronous enough to block my push forever
2008-08-04T13:21:03 <xorAxAx> which is in front of the queues
2008-08-04T13:21:14 <johill> which is the one place where it matters
2008-08-04T13:21:18 <xorAxAx> well, yes
2008-08-04T13:21:32 <xorAxAx> but thats not a conceptual issue of the codebase
2008-08-04T13:21:45 <xorAxAx> rather of their setup - the rpc services run on the same machine/httpd as the website
2008-08-04T13:21:47 <johill> do you see me care for irc notifications?
2008-08-04T13:21:50 <xorAxAx> which seems to draw a lot of load
2008-08-04T13:22:02 <xorAxAx> hmm?
2008-08-04T13:22:47 <johill> this thing is making interacting with hg painfully slow, for (to me) neglibible benefit
2008-08-04T13:23:05 <johill> s/bi//
2008-08-04T13:23:28 <johill> eh, s/bi/gi/
2008-08-04T13:23:39 <xorAxAx> well, the hg repo scripts could run it in the background
2008-08-04T13:23:59 <xorAxAx> but i think they werent designed to work like that
2008-08-04T13:24:16 <johill> so how is it not a conceptual issue if it was designed to be like this?
2008-08-04T13:24:39 <xorAxAx> johill: ?
2008-08-04T13:24:46 <xorAxAx> a client sends a request to the server
2008-08-04T13:24:51 <xorAxAx> the client is written synchronously
2008-08-04T13:25:03 <xorAxAx> the server is written to take this request and put it into a queue
2008-08-04T13:25:05 <johill> exactly
2008-08-04T13:25:09 <johill> that's a design issue
2008-08-04T13:25:15 <xorAxAx> but, the server is swapping the whole time ...
2008-08-04T13:25:24 <xorAxAx> johill: well, the server cant be designed better
2008-08-04T13:25:28 <johill> it doesn't matter how slow the server is
2008-08-04T13:25:34 <xorAxAx> the client could create a queue
2008-08-04T13:25:46 <johill> the client should be able to work differently, and possibly even burst things to the server
2008-08-04T13:25:56 <johill> anyway
2008-08-04T13:26:10 <xorAxAx> but then, CIA only provides contrib clients
2008-08-04T13:26:12 <johill> I'll just get into a habit of pressing ctrl-c after a few seconds
2008-08-04T13:26:15 <xorAxAx> so this is not actually a CIA issue :)
2008-08-04T13:26:18 <johill> screw cia
2008-08-04T13:26:29 <xorAxAx> does it get pushed anyway, johill? :)
2008-08-04T13:26:32 <johill> sure
2008-08-04T13:26:34 <johill> it's pushed first
2008-08-04T13:26:37 <johill> then the script runs
2008-08-04T13:26:42 <johill> if I press ctrl-c, the script dies
2008-08-04T13:26:53 <xorAxAx> depends on how often "txn" occurs in the hook name i guess
2008-08-04T13:27:00 <xorAxAx> but it looks like its wired correctly
2008-08-04T13:27:23 <johill> xorAxAx: it _is_ a cia issue. that's like saying we should ship moin without any default parser and say it's a third-party issue
2008-08-04T13:27:57 <johill> cia is pointless already, even more so without such scripts
2008-08-04T13:28:27 <xorAxAx> i am dreaming about a second CIA server
2008-08-04T13:28:46 <xorAxAx> and better client scripts, yep :)
2008-08-04T13:28:58 <xorAxAx> the cia svn push script is rather limited as well
2008-08-04T13:29:04 <xorAxAx> i hacked it for codespeak.net a bit
2008-08-04T13:29:33 <johill> it's still a cia issue. it doesn't really matter how well their backend code is, as long as the frontend code blows there's no point in the whole architecture
2008-08-04T13:30:10 <johill> anyway, enough ranting, I know how to work around it, I'll see if I can hack up a hg extension that aborts the push connection after having transferred the data
2008-08-04T13:30:26 <xorAxAx> :)
2008-08-04T13:30:44 <xorAxAx> how about doing hg push& or screen hg push? :)
2008-08-04T13:31:09 <johill> do I care?
2008-08-04T13:31:25 <johill> I tend to work syncronously
2008-08-04T13:31:28 <xorAxAx> you care about your prompt and that will return you to the prompt immediately
2008-08-04T13:31:39 <xorAxAx> i tend to work asynchronously :)
2008-08-04T13:32:07 <johill> but I like to actually know whether stuff succeeded
2008-08-04T13:32:21 <johill> and often enough I'm waiting for a push to finish to run off to catch a bus or train
2008-08-04T13:34:18 <johill> doesn't look like you can write such an extension
2008-08-04T13:34:42 <xorAxAx> then you need to modify your suspend/resume stack to avoid throwing way tcp connections and retain a vpn connection that terminates your local interface at a stable place. or you use ipv6! see, its all easily solvable :-)
2008-08-04T13:34:54 <johill> nope
2008-08-04T13:35:03 <johill> often, I'm offline then for days at a time, or at least hours
2008-08-04T13:35:11 <johill> look
2008-08-04T13:35:15 <johill> stop pushing the issue around
2008-08-04T13:35:21 <johill> the tools we're using suck, get over it
2008-08-04T13:35:31 <johill> they keep getting into the way
2008-08-04T13:35:36 <johill> using tools should be natural, not a hassle
2008-08-04T13:35:57 <johill> heck, I could work faster by mailing out to a patchbot
2008-08-04T13:36:28 <johill> (and that has lots of manual overhead)
2008-08-04T13:37:00 <xorAxAx> yeah, we should have better code review anyway :)
2008-08-04T13:37:12 <johill> that's entirely unrelated again
2008-08-04T13:37:23 <xorAxAx> well, i wasnt completly serious
2008-08-04T13:37:45 <xorAxAx> actually, nobody nails us down to cia, i think we only use their irc notification feature. any other solution would do
2008-08-04T13:40:22 <johill> as long as it doesn't get in the way waiting for the irc part to respond or anything like that...
2008-08-04T14:35:46 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: clean your cache
2008-08-04T14:49:06 <dreimark> ok
2008-08-04T14:49:40 <ThomasWaldmann> (sendcached/*)
2008-08-04T14:53:59 <dreimark> :)
2008-08-04T14:57:04 <dreimark> johill: webnail sizw 50px to wide ? or is that only on my box
2008-08-04T14:57:55 <dreimark> the border is wrong
2008-08-04T14:58:21 <dreimark> in portrait it fits but not in landscape
2008-08-04T15:01:41 <johill> looks fine here
2008-08-04T15:02:53 <johill> anyway, gtg
2008-08-04T15:50:49 <dreimark> mmihaljevic: hi
2008-08-04T17:14:58 <zenhase> weird weird ways to setup
2008-08-04T17:15:18 * zenhase reads twisted.web2 doc for WSGI-setup there
2008-08-04T18:17:53 <dreimark> mmihaljevic: ping
2008-08-04T18:50:04 <ThomasWaldmann> mmihaljevic: you should get alive rather fast, there is lots to do left.
2008-08-04T19:31:08 <dreimark> gizmo__: ping
2008-08-04T20:22:25 <ThomasWaldmann> re
2008-08-04T20:27:49 <ThomasWaldmann> http://science.slashdot.org/science/08/08/04/1259259.shtml
2008-08-04T20:42:56 <dreimark> ooo
2008-08-04T20:42:59 <dreimark> bbl
2008-08-04T21:28:22 * ThomasWaldmann curses expat error msgs
2008-08-04T23:30:29 <dreimark> re
2008-08-04T23:32:36 <ThomasWaldmann> wb dreimark
2008-08-04T23:36:46 <dreimark> short anchors :)
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