MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-07-10

2008-07-10T00:00:34  <dreimark1> this helps you do recapitulate what you want the test should do and what it really does
2008-07-10T00:01:05  * dreimark1 goes sleeping soon 
2008-07-10T00:01:29  <mmihaljevic> dreimark1: gn and really thx for this
2008-07-10T00:01:32  <dreimark1> and will look tom. in the new provided test again
2008-07-10T00:01:41  <mmihaljevic> :) ok
2008-07-10T02:02:17  <mmihaljevic> dreimark1: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/79027/
2008-07-10T02:02:20  * mmihaljevic sleeps
2008-07-10T07:04:47  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-07-10T07:45:05  <mmihaljevic> moin ThomasWaldmann
2008-07-10T08:38:37  <dreimark> moin
2008-07-10T08:39:48  <mmihaljevic> dreimark: hi
2008-07-10T08:42:24  <PawelPacana> moin
2008-07-10T08:50:23  <mmihaljevic> dreimark: seen new patebin from yesterday (or early today)
2008-07-10T08:50:32  <mmihaljevic> s/patebin/pastebin
2008-07-10T09:05:42  <dreimark> no
2008-07-10T09:05:50  <dreimark> paste again
2008-07-10T09:06:08  <mmihaljevic> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/79027/
2008-07-10T09:35:46  <mmihaljevic> bbl
2008-07-10T09:43:13  <dreimark> moin
2008-07-10T10:08:08  <mmihaljevic> re
2008-07-10T10:09:45  <dreimark> johill: please look at the latest login *UserCreation bug report missing module in 2.3.5
2008-07-10T10:12:34  <johill> guess it has to use the legacy interface
2008-07-10T10:13:13  <lanius> hi
2008-07-10T10:14:24  <CIA-53> Johannes Berg <johannes AT sipsolutions DOT net> default * 3822:b209aea96826 1.8/MoinMoin/user.py: use base64 legacy interface for python 2.3
2008-07-10T10:20:59  <mmihaljevic> dreimark: I've done some wikidicts tracing, and I think that I understand how caching with wikidicts work when someon requests a page. when you'll have time and if you think it's ok I can send you a pastebin of some comments and we can discuss that.
2008-07-10T10:23:07  * dreimark likes to read first the pastebin
2008-07-10T10:24:09  <dreimark> mmihaljevic: no comment im setup_class and teardown_class
2008-07-10T10:24:15  <mmihaljevic> dreimark: the test pastebin or the trace pastebin
2008-07-10T10:24:25  <mmihaljevic> dreimark: ups will to that right now
2008-07-10T10:34:10  <PawelPacana> johill: how did you finally design revision metadata storage in _new_ fs backend?
2008-07-10T10:40:20  <johill> PawelPacana: it's just stored in the same file as the revision data
2008-07-10T10:43:46  <PawelPacana> i've run into some problems, because of mercurial behaviour.  i can force it to commit revision which data hasnt changed, however filerev is not incrementing, and new changeset is not containing any files
2008-07-10T10:44:19  <PawelPacana> that way commiting only  meta changes wouldnt be possible
2008-07-10T10:44:47  <PawelPacana> storing rev meta in separate file is no solution too
2008-07-10T10:45:27  <PawelPacana> because i would get filerevs beetwen rev data and meta inconsistent, and have to bind it the other way
2008-07-10T10:45:42  <johill> I've described it on the page about it, and you can look at the code too, it should be commented
2008-07-10T10:46:06  <PawelPacana> so i'll probably fallback to your idea
2008-07-10T10:46:34  <TheSheep_> moin
2008-07-10T10:47:13  <PawelPacana> TheSheep: moin
2008-07-10T10:50:29  <zenhase> moin
2008-07-10T10:52:20  * TheSheep <-- need to rest a bit, didn't sleep, bbl
2008-07-10T10:54:12  <mmihaljevic> dreimark: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/79034/ new update
2008-07-10T11:02:17  <dreimark> some kind of line break will make the lines easier to read
2008-07-10T11:02:43  <dreimark>  """ test if wikigroups methods work properly """
2008-07-10T11:02:53  <dreimark> is not  verbose enough
2008-07-10T11:03:18  <dreimark> describe whar the test is doing there are three different assert calls
2008-07-10T11:03:55  <dreimark> please describe what you assume the assert should do
2008-07-10T11:04:09  <dreimark> above each of the assert
2008-07-10T11:05:15  <johill> you need to use gobby ;)
2008-07-10T11:05:29  <dreimark> and change #[a-z] to #blank[a-z] on every place
2008-07-10T11:06:42  <mmihaljevic> dreimark: ok
2008-07-10T11:06:51  <dreimark> johill: :)
2008-07-10T11:08:42  <dreimark> mmihaljevic: blank missing at """ca
2008-07-10T11:10:21  <dreimark> do always remember if writing doc strings it needs to make sense to everyone reading it.
2008-07-10T11:10:31  <dreimark> a text like """ test if wikigroups methods work properly """
2008-07-10T11:11:21  <dreimark> is telling nothing about what it is tested "properly" can be nothing or everything
2008-07-10T11:14:21  <mmihaljevic> dreimark: ok I understand
2008-07-10T11:16:02  <dreimark> testUserNotInGroup
2008-07-10T11:16:16  <dreimark> """ test that user is not in group before adding some users to group """
2008-07-10T11:16:34  <dreimark> when do you add ther user?
2008-07-10T11:16:49  <mmihaljevic> I don't
2008-07-10T11:17:17  <dreimark> so the description does not match the test
2008-07-10T11:17:39  <mmihaljevic> true, will fix that
2008-07-10T11:18:17  <dreimark> # create page with no members
2008-07-10T11:18:24  <dreimark> it is more of creating an # create page with no members
2008-07-10T11:18:41  <dreimark> it is more of creating an empty page
2008-07-10T11:19:17  <mmihaljevic> ok
2008-07-10T11:37:11  <dreimark> mmihaljevic: e.g # define page group acl rights
2008-07-10T11:37:24  <dreimark> you can describe for what page
2008-07-10T11:38:19  <mmihaljevic> ok I will, but I'm also not sure what to write for assert, I did something like " # ExampleUser has right to read FirstGroup - return True"
2008-07-10T11:38:45  <dreimark> def testWikiBackandChangePage can it have acl in the name
2008-07-10T11:39:05  <dreimark> and s/def testWikiBackandChangePage/def testWikiBackendChangePage/
2008-07-10T11:39:23  <mmihaljevic> urgh yes
2008-07-10T11:39:52  <mmihaljevic> hm.. yes it should have acl in the name
2008-07-10T11:41:54  <dreimark> for the descriptions thinks in the way "what you know about the settings you did" e.g. no assertion because of .....
2008-07-10T11:43:18  <mmihaljevic> uh
2008-07-10T11:44:37  <dreimark> than add rights for a user and check rights to access page
2008-07-10T11:45:01  <dreimark> you don't do this, deescribe what you are doing
2008-07-10T11:45:21  <dreimark> s/than/then/
2008-07-10T11:46:37  <dreimark> line 125 is not understandable, may be write just more text more lines
2008-07-10T11:46:55  <mmihaljevic> ok
2008-07-10T11:50:17  <dreimark> # create page with some content
2008-07-10T11:50:36  <dreimark> always be more verbose
2008-07-10T11:50:45  <dreimark> what is the content
2008-07-10T11:52:17  <mmihaljevic> group page member (user)
2008-07-10T11:52:56  <dreimark> yeah describe it it makes addding further tests much easier
2008-07-10T11:53:20  <mmihaljevic> ok
2008-07-10T11:54:28  <mmihaljevic> can you please give me one assert comment example?
2008-07-10T11:56:07  <dreimark> assert (u'SomeGroup') in group_manager
2008-07-10T11:57:14  <mmihaljevic> oh that checks that a SomeGroup is a page group
2008-07-10T11:57:38  <dreimark> :) that's the comment missing there
2008-07-10T11:58:02  <mmihaljevic> ah cool
2008-07-10T12:11:24  * dreimark waits for a new pastebin
2008-07-10T12:13:30  <mmihaljevic> :) give me a minute to try reread comments
2008-07-10T12:15:13  * mmihaljevic just don't know how to call the last test to put Acl in it
2008-07-10T12:21:17  <mmihaljevic> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/79042/ dreimark , I couldn't think for a better name for the last test
2008-07-10T12:22:20  <mmihaljevic> bb in 5 minutes
2008-07-10T12:28:45  <mmihaljevic> re
2008-07-10T12:43:41  <mmihaljevic> dreimark:
2008-07-10T14:34:06  <gizmach> re
2008-07-10T14:35:33  <dreimark> re
2008-07-10T14:38:57  <dreimark> gizmach: use linebreaks in   self.config = self.TestConfig(defaults=['acl_rights_valid', ], group_manager
2008-07-10T14:39:12  <gizmach> :) ok
2008-07-10T14:39:53  <dreimark> parameter in the line don't have blanks=blanks
2008-07-10T14:40:23  <dreimark> for acl rights define acl_rights_valid - read, write, delete, admin
2008-07-10T14:40:26  <dreimark> ???
2008-07-10T14:41:06  <gizmach> well it's for the valid acl rights
2008-07-10T14:41:38  <gizmach> <dreimark> parameter in the line don't have blanks=blanks
2008-07-10T14:41:44  <gizmach> didn't understanded this
2008-07-10T14:45:12  <dreimark> self.TestConfig(defaults=['acl_rights_valid', ], group_manager = datastruct.
2008-07-10T14:45:23  <dreimark> group_manager=datastruct
2008-07-10T14:46:46  <gizmach> ah ok
2008-07-10T14:56:38  <gizmach> ok I fixed that
2008-07-10T14:56:41  <dreimark> # request created group
2008-07-10T14:56:50  <dreimark> what is the meaning of that line ?
2008-07-10T14:57:19  <dennda> 1/3 completed
2008-07-10T14:58:03  <dreimark> gizmach: on other places with same code you do use other comments
2008-07-10T15:00:02  <gizmach> dreimark: I wanted to say - get a group
2008-07-10T15:03:36  <gizmach> dennda: congrats
2008-07-10T15:04:12  <dennda> gizmach: I got no result yet :)
2008-07-10T15:04:27  <gizmach> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/79055/ dreimark , better like this? (except I didn't changet acl_rights_valid comment, don't know how)
2008-07-10T15:04:30  <dennda> Either today or at some point in august
2008-07-10T15:04:47  <gizmach> heh
2008-07-10T15:20:42  <gizmach> brb
2008-07-10T15:25:25  * dreimark will read soon
2008-07-10T15:49:20  <gizmach> re
2008-07-10T16:13:48  <CIA-53> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3823:262738c1f46b 1.8/MoinMoin/config/multiconfig.py: prevent CategoryTemplate being listed as a category (it is a Template, but matched also the category regex)
2008-07-10T17:02:19  <CIA-53> Pawel Pacana <pawel.pacana@gmail.com> default * 4312:adf437803e05 1.8-mercurialbackend-ppacana/MoinMoin/storage/ (_tests/test_backends.py backends/hg.py): (hg) Long file names handling.
2008-07-10T17:15:12  <gizmach> re
2008-07-10T17:15:19  <dennda> yay
2008-07-10T17:15:25  <dennda> stochastics: 1,0
2008-07-10T17:15:27  <gizmach> had problem with routing out croatia
2008-07-10T17:15:28  <dennda> :)
2008-07-10T17:15:35  <gizmach> dennda: it is good or?
2008-07-10T17:15:40  <dennda> gizmach: yes
2008-07-10T17:15:43  <gizmach> in my country it's not good
2008-07-10T17:15:53  <gizmach> congrats now
2008-07-10T17:16:21  <dennda> gizmach: In German universities you can have marks within the range of 1,0 to 4,0
2008-07-10T17:16:26  <dennda> Schools handle it differently
2008-07-10T17:16:32  <dennda> thanks :)
2008-07-10T17:16:39  <gizmach> ah here are from 1-5 and the 5 is the best
2008-07-10T17:16:42  <gizmach> so...
2008-07-10T17:17:42  <gizmach> dreimark: have you take a look at the last pastebin yet ?
2008-07-10T17:35:51  <dreimark> gizmach: need some more time, because of a spring discussion
2008-07-10T17:37:02  <gizmach> dreimark: ok
2008-07-10T17:38:49  <gizmach> dreimark: also today or tomorrow if you will have time I would like to have talk about a bout current wikidicts and caching
2008-07-10T17:40:19  <dreimark> ok, can you write some documentation on MM about the backends ?
2008-07-10T17:44:24  <gizmach> dreimark: yes sure, and by documentation you mean ?
2008-07-10T17:47:16  <gizmach> dreimark: you mean like HelpOn or?
2008-07-10T18:26:15  * gizmach started and hopes it will be ok
2008-07-10T18:50:37  <dreimark> # give a user and right that you want to check
2008-07-10T18:50:41  <dreimark> which right
2008-07-10T18:50:42  <dreimark> gizmach:
2008-07-10T18:51:07  <gizmach> dreimark: to read
2008-07-10T18:51:27  <dreimark> # check acl right - ExampleUser is a member of SecondGroup
2008-07-10T18:52:23  <dreimark> in testWikiBackendAcl
2008-07-10T18:52:34  <gizmach> dreimark: yes I found
2008-07-10T18:52:36  <dreimark> where is SecondGroup defined
2008-07-10T18:53:18  <gizmach> auch
2008-07-10T18:53:24  <gizmach> ok FirstGroup
2008-07-10T18:53:28  <gizmach> pardon me
2008-07-10T18:56:27  <gizmach> dreimark:  can I write for the # give ... - # define user and read action to check if a user has right to read a page
2008-07-10T19:00:28  <gizmach> ok I've done also few little changes
2008-07-10T19:00:30  <dreimark> s/action/right/
2008-07-10T19:00:49  <dreimark> and make the reason it is for into a new line
2008-07-10T19:02:17  * dreimark hopes nothing to have overseen
2008-07-10T19:02:28  <dreimark> because I'm tired
2008-07-10T19:02:51  <dreimark> after you did the changes you can push it
2008-07-10T19:03:48  <dreimark> gizmach: how long do you want to discuss today
2008-07-10T19:04:15  <gizmach> dreimark: we can do that tomorrow morning somethng like that
2008-07-10T19:04:38  <gizmach> dreimark> and make the reason it is for into a new line
2008-07-10T19:04:40  <gizmach> ?
2008-07-10T19:05:22  <dreimark> tom morning is sprint again.
2008-07-10T19:05:30  <dreimark> the whole day
2008-07-10T19:06:20  <dreimark> gizmach: can you summerize on a page your questions ?
2008-07-10T19:06:21  <gizmach> ah ok , probably I can than write on a new mm subpage how I think it works and my taughts and than when you have some time you can look at it
2008-07-10T19:06:25  <gizmach> :)
2008-07-10T19:07:20  <dreimark> that is great!
2008-07-10T19:07:27  <dreimark> we have to move
2008-07-10T19:07:30  <dreimark> bbl
2008-07-10T19:07:36  <gizmach> ok, and for the dreimark> and make the reason it is for into a new lin
2008-07-10T19:07:40  <gizmach> I din't understand
2008-07-10T19:07:41  <gizmach> ok
2008-07-10T19:07:49  <gizmach> macane moj
2008-07-10T19:09:18  <gizmach> ups
2008-07-10T19:09:29  <gizmach> the last line wasn't for here
2008-07-10T19:11:51  <dreimark> "to check if a user has right to read a page" sounds in the same line a bit strange
2008-07-10T19:12:31  <dreimark> you mean something like to check if a user is allowed to read a page
2008-07-10T19:12:35  <dreimark> the page
2008-07-10T19:12:57  <gizmach> ah yes
2008-07-10T19:12:59  <gizmach> true
2008-07-10T19:13:05  <gizmach> :) thanks
2008-07-10T19:13:26  <dreimark> and you don't need to add all the explaination in one line if it makes sense you can write two lines ;
2008-07-10T19:13:29  <dreimark> ;)
2008-07-10T19:13:41  <gizmach> :) deal
2008-07-10T19:14:39  * dreimark wonders what is the meaning of  macane
2008-07-10T19:19:28  <gizmach> dreimark: :))
2008-07-10T19:19:40  <gizmach> it's something like a little cat
2008-07-10T19:20:16  <gizmach> at least by my mistakes you could learn some croatian
2008-07-10T19:21:40  <dreimark> hehe
2008-07-10T19:21:54  <dreimark> we go to get something to eat
2008-07-10T19:21:56  <dreimark> bbl
2008-07-10T19:22:00  <gizmach> ;)
2008-07-10T19:25:21  <dennda> johill: What is the M in your name?
2008-07-10T19:27:04  <johill> Martin
2008-07-10T19:31:27  <johill> where did you find that? I don't usually use that name
2008-07-10T19:59:31  <zenhase> re
2008-07-10T20:02:36  <zenhase> i have submitted the survey today around noon and then had some university meetings for my 'studienarbeit' which i will start in mid-august
2008-07-10T20:04:02  <zenhase> i will grab something to eat, clean my head with some sport and then work on new tests and some performance-tests
2008-07-10T20:06:09  <dennda> johill: I hax0red you :)
2008-07-10T20:06:19  <dennda> johill: Wanna see some childhood pics of yours? :)
2008-07-10T20:06:32  <dennda> (Google displayed your gmail adress)
2008-07-10T20:07:02  <dennda> johill: I am just trying to figure out how much time we spent together on average
2008-07-10T20:17:43  <gizmach> dennda: LOL :D
2008-07-10T20:18:28  <CIA-53> MelitaMihaljevic default * 3865:ce26397805f2 1.8-ldapgroups-mmihaljevic/MoinMoin/datastruct/backends/_tests/test_wikigroup.py: added more tests for wiki backend and fixed the existing ones
2008-07-10T20:18:29  <CIA-53> MelitaMihaljevic default * 3866:13e2f14f169a 1.8-ldapgroups-mmihaljevic/MoinMoin/datastruct/backends/group_wiki.py: fixed cache_mtime and file_mtime comparison
2008-07-10T20:33:30  <johill> haha
2008-07-10T20:35:23  <johill> wanna see some childhood films of mine? ;)
2008-07-10T20:35:57  <dennda> yeeeeeeeeees
2008-07-10T20:36:04  <gizmach> johill: how old r u?
2008-07-10T20:36:09  <johill> 27
2008-07-10T20:36:34  <dennda> weren't you 26 when the project started?
2008-07-10T20:36:39  <gizmach> :))
2008-07-10T20:36:52  <zenhase> hmm
2008-07-10T20:36:59  <johill> huh? no, my birthday is in december
2008-07-10T20:37:01  <zenhase> silent spontaneous aging
2008-07-10T20:37:59  <johill> although it should have been end-jan/begin-feb
2008-07-10T20:38:29  <zenhase> the early bird ... :)
2008-07-10T20:39:12  <johill> I certainly got more worms^Wtubes attached to me due to that
2008-07-10T20:39:12  <zenhase> -> sport
2008-07-10T20:39:32  <johill> (just after I was born)
2008-07-10T20:40:09  <dennda> johill: fiiiilms :)
2008-07-10T20:40:29  <johill> mmh. the dvd is 900M
2008-07-10T20:40:35  <johill> well, the first one
2008-07-10T20:40:36  <dennda> :)+
2008-07-10T20:41:11  <johill> so far I have almost 12G
2008-07-10T20:43:00  <dennda> that's quite a lot of childhood videos
2008-07-10T20:43:07  <dennda> let's watch them at ubucon :)
2008-07-10T20:43:14  <dennda> oh, make a talk out of it!
2008-07-10T20:43:22  <dennda> """How to become a Kernel Hacker"""
2008-07-10T20:43:23  <johill> heh they're silent tho
2008-07-10T20:43:37  <dennda> yeah, so you can comment them realtime
2008-07-10T20:46:16  <johill> they need to be digitally remastered, colours have faded a lot
2008-07-10T20:47:06  <dennda> Too bad you don't have quadcore powermac...
2008-07-10T20:49:04  <johill> heh
2008-07-10T20:50:00  <johill> http://johannes.sipsolutions.net/files/babyshot.png
2008-07-10T20:50:30  <dennda> you are a bit blue around the face :)
2008-07-10T20:51:43  <johill> :)
2008-07-10T20:56:37  <johill> is that more gui editor damage that there's no whitespace around the link?
2008-07-10T20:58:21  <johill> (I'm looking at the first link on MoinInternationalConference)
2008-07-10T20:58:22  * gizmach dont have childhood videos, and has very little photos
2008-07-10T20:59:08  <johill> gizmach: my grandma always had a bunch of camera gadgets, this is all shot with her super8
2008-07-10T20:59:51  <gizmach> well my parents too but some stuff happened and most of the pictures are lost but now I do a lot of photogrphing
2008-07-10T21:00:11  <johill> oh sorry to hear that
2008-07-10T21:01:50  <johill> otoh, having childhood films where you're naked on 80% of the material is kinda embarrasing
2008-07-10T21:02:39  <dennda> true
2008-07-10T21:03:18  <gizmach> heheh johill well yes
2008-07-10T21:03:23  <gizmach> but sometimes cute
2008-07-10T21:04:38  <johill> yeah. but my mom threatened to show it non-stop at my (no, not planned yet!) wedding ;)
2008-07-10T21:12:46  <gizmach> hahah :D
2008-07-10T21:12:51  <gizmach> that's cute :D not
2008-07-10T21:13:12  <gizmach> my parents want to get rid of me
2008-07-10T21:14:46  <johill> huh why, and... in what way?
2008-07-10T21:16:10  <gizmach> mah a bit kidding, well sometimes my father used to say that he hopes I'll get marry
2008-07-10T21:16:49  <johill> oh heh well I guess my parents have been hoping that for years and my g/f's parents even more
2008-07-10T21:38:44  <gizmach> hehhe well what are you waiting for johill
2008-07-10T21:39:18  <johill> probably to feel grown up enough although most likely that'll never happen ;)
2008-07-10T21:39:33  <gizmach> heheh
2008-07-10T21:44:11  <TheSheep_> moin
2008-07-10T21:45:24  * johill wonders when google will index this discussion on the log and people will point me to it
2008-07-10T21:46:50  <dennda> why should they?
2008-07-10T21:47:33  <johill> oh, I get all kinds of weird email
2008-07-10T21:48:11  <dennda> like...?
2008-07-10T21:49:18  <johill> asking me about pretty much anything I've ever written on the internet, even many years ago
2008-07-10T21:50:37  <johill> thankfully, most non-technical things like this disappear in the noise, but not always ;)
2008-07-10T21:53:21  <gizmach> hahahhah
2008-07-10T22:03:51  <dennda> puh
2008-07-10T22:03:55  <dennda> took longer than expected
2008-07-10T22:03:57  <dennda> submitted..
2008-07-10T23:20:58  <zenhase> re
2008-07-10T23:21:26  <zenhase> i realize what went missing in the last 5 weeks
2008-07-10T23:21:44  <zenhase> it was the climbing ... i feel totally relaxed
2008-07-10T23:34:25  <ThomasWaldmann> re
2008-07-10T23:35:03  <dreimark> re
2008-07-10T23:35:37  <dreimark> TheSheep: how was the trip back ?
2008-07-10T23:39:42  <TheSheep> dreimark: pretty good, but Icoulnd't sleep, so I fell asleep right after I arrived and woke up in the evening... how was the sprint?
2008-07-10T23:44:09  <ThomasWaldmann> a korean guy made a matplotlib parser,
2008-07-10T23:44:14  <dreimark> TheSheep: lots of work, the korean one has implemented a gnuplot parser, ernestas did a potest and fixed the outcoming text failures, someone has tested every parser to be unicode ready, someone played with arnica and offers to exchange the javascript code,
2008-07-10T23:44:35  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: you're faster :)
2008-07-10T23:45:19  * ThomasWaldmann did misc mentoring and some small fixes
2008-07-10T23:45:51  <TheSheep> wow
2008-07-10T23:46:59  <dreimark> with jonathan I talked about how to integrate mathtran and we got some ideas
2008-07-10T23:47:20  <ThomasWaldmann> and PawelPacana likely worked on his project :)
2008-07-10T23:48:17  <ThomasWaldmann> ah, and I got the server swapping by running clonedigger svn on moin
2008-07-10T23:49:01  * ThomasWaldmann will talk to Peter "CloneDigger" tomorrow
2008-07-10T23:50:43  <ThomasWaldmann> andtoday evening we noticed someone booked the sprint rooms from 0800-1800 :P
2008-07-10T23:51:14  <ThomasWaldmann> but we changed that to 0930-2000 or so
2008-07-10T23:53:30  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: see mail
2008-07-10T23:54:39  <dreimark> TheSheep: the mockup from jonathan fine http://dpaste.com/62066/
2008-07-10T23:56:14  <dreimark> he wishes if we implement it some note about how it is done on the page where a formular -image is shown
2008-07-10T23:56:49  <dreimark> may be the line where we have powered by MM, ... can be extended for this then
2008-07-10T23:58:28  * dreimark is ko an goes sleeping
2008-07-10T23:58:30  <dreimark> gn