MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-05-30

2008-05-30T00:00:03  <johill> apt-get install python-doc lighttpd :)
2008-05-30T00:00:07  <dennda> because I got python2.5-docs installed but they don't seem to use the same path
2008-05-30T00:00:23  <dennda> anyway, found it on the net
2008-05-30T00:00:41  <dennda> why would I need lighthttpd just to view html files?
2008-05-30T00:00:55  <johill> otherwise http://localhost/ can't work
2008-05-30T00:01:17  <johill> or it's file://usr/share/doc/python/...
2008-05-30T00:01:49  <dennda> ah sure
2008-05-30T00:02:04  <dennda> thanks
2008-05-30T00:02:36  <dennda> no wonder I didn't find that
2008-05-30T00:02:48  <dennda> I still don't find it with http://docs.python.org/dev
2008-05-30T00:02:56  <dennda> Maybe they are not done with /dev yet
2008-05-30T00:05:34  <johill> http://docs.python.org/ref/sequence-types.html
2008-05-30T00:07:42  <dennda> Yes, already found it
2008-05-30T00:09:14  <johill> ah you meant /dev
2008-05-30T00:09:17  <johill> http://docs.python.org/dev/reference/datamodel.html#emulating-container-types
2008-05-30T00:09:38  <dennda> ah great
2008-05-30T00:09:44  <dennda> I really prefer the sphinx version
2008-05-30T00:09:57  <johill> it's slow here
2008-05-30T00:10:17  <johill> I much prefer the local version anyway ;)
2008-05-30T00:10:25  <dennda> hehe
2008-05-30T00:10:31  <dennda> Do you know devhelp?
2008-05-30T00:10:50  <johill> yeah
2008-05-30T00:12:26  <johill> I just tend to know where to look so use the browser I have open anyway
2008-05-30T00:15:31  <dennda> johill: shall len(my_item) return the items number of revisions?
2008-05-30T00:15:47  <johill> I suppose it should, then
2008-05-30T00:15:52  <johill> of course += can't be implemented
2008-05-30T00:15:54  <johill> nor can *
2008-05-30T00:15:54  <dennda> I agree
2008-05-30T00:16:04  <dennda> sure thing
2008-05-30T00:16:55  <johill> even slicing I'm not too sure about
2008-05-30T00:17:14  <dennda> when in doubt leave it out
2008-05-30T00:17:14  <dennda> :)
2008-05-30T00:17:21  <dennda> my favourite idiom these days
2008-05-30T00:17:39  <johill> though I suppose it would make for cool code for the diff action ;)
2008-05-30T00:19:04  <johill> less work too that way :)
2008-05-30T00:19:25  <dennda> hehe
2008-05-30T00:20:26  <johill> so I guess it's just __getitem__ and __iter__
2008-05-30T00:21:10  <dennda> and __len__
2008-05-30T00:21:17  <dennda> doing __getitem__ right now
2008-05-30T00:21:30  <dennda> that's gonna be a method with more than one line of code :)
2008-05-30T00:21:46  <johill> and maybe __contains__
2008-05-30T00:22:05  <johill> heh probably
2008-05-30T00:22:50  <dennda> I wonder if __contains__ shall accept an int or a revision object or both
2008-05-30T00:28:39  <johill> hm. a revision object doesn't seem too useful if you ask me
2008-05-30T00:28:57  <johill> normally you're only using a single item anyway, no?
2008-05-30T00:29:09  <dennda> true
2008-05-30T00:29:18  <johill> oh another thing: should we pass negative indexes to the backend? or resolve them via len(self)+idx?
2008-05-30T00:29:49  <johill> oh wait
2008-05-30T00:29:54  <dennda> I am just at exactly that
2008-05-30T00:30:03  <johill> you were right about deletion and lists
2008-05-30T00:30:08  <dennda> __getitem__ needs to handle negative indices
2008-05-30T00:30:13  <dennda> I was?
2008-05-30T00:30:19  <johill> if you have revisions 1-5 and delete 3
2008-05-30T00:30:34  <johill> then you have 1,2,4,5 but a list of revision objects cannot represent that
2008-05-30T00:31:20  <johill> unless we renumber them implicitly in that case?
2008-05-30T00:31:27  <dennda> (I once knew the answer to the question I am now gonna ask, but given the current time it may be good to ask nevertheless): WHy?
2008-05-30T00:31:30  <johill> but that doens't work since the revnos form 'permanent' links
2008-05-30T00:31:32  <dennda> s/H/h/
2008-05-30T00:31:51  <dennda> I don't yet see a problem there
2008-05-30T00:31:58  <johill> well if you have
2008-05-30T00:32:09  <johill> action=show;rev=7
2008-05-30T00:32:20  <johill> then what will happen if 1-5 were purged?
2008-05-30T00:32:28  <johill> it would show 12 instead of 7, no?
2008-05-30T00:33:33  <dennda> if you got [1, 2, 3, 4] as revisions and delete 3 you are left with [1, 2, 4]
2008-05-30T00:33:55  <johill> but item[3] will not work
2008-05-30T00:34:08  <johill> umm
2008-05-30T00:34:08  <johill> ok
2008-05-30T00:34:12  <johill> item[0] will return revision 1
2008-05-30T00:34:16  <johill> item[1] will return revision 2
2008-05-30T00:34:21  <johill> but item[2] will return 4
2008-05-30T00:34:30  <dennda> if you now say my_item[3] it raises an exception. if you access my_item[1, 2, or 4] it checks whether they exist and returns the appropriate revision
2008-05-30T00:34:31  <johill> so you can no longer use the revno
2008-05-30T00:34:42  <johill> but that's now how lists work :)
2008-05-30T00:34:48  <johill> s/now/not/
2008-05-30T00:35:00  <TheSheep> does it have to be continous?
2008-05-30T00:35:03  <johill> that would be a revno->revision object mapping (dict)
2008-05-30T00:35:16  <TheSheep> maybe it could contain some Nones?
2008-05-30T00:35:21  <dennda> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/56163/
2008-05-30T00:35:33  <johill> TheSheep: hmm, I guess it could
2008-05-30T00:35:51  <johill> but that would be confusing too imho
2008-05-30T00:36:20  <TheSheep> deleting revisions is already confusing, any way you hande it is going to be confusing
2008-05-30T00:36:42  <johill> but I think because we show revnos in the UI we need to treat them as keys
2008-05-30T00:36:51  <johill> dennda: yeah that implements dict semantics :)
2008-05-30T00:37:39  <johill> list semantics would be more like
2008-05-30T00:37:53  <johill> return self._backend._get_revision(self, revisinos[revno])
2008-05-30T00:38:05  <dennda> sure
2008-05-30T00:38:07  <dennda> that's stupid
2008-05-30T00:38:16  <dennda> but imho my code there works
2008-05-30T00:38:37  <johill> yes, but it's dict-like, and also you don't have to get the revisions list first
2008-05-30T00:39:18  <dennda> true, is there any disadvantage in binding it to the name revisions first?
2008-05-30T00:39:29  <johill> you don't need it at all
2008-05-30T00:39:34  <dennda> (Shall I keep it this way? With the dict-semantics I mean)
2008-05-30T00:39:39  <johill> just call return self._backend._get_revision(self, revno)
2008-05-30T00:39:53  <dennda> bad idea
2008-05-30T00:40:00  <johill> why that?
2008-05-30T00:40:14  <dennda> I cannot special case negative indices and inapropriate values then
2008-05-30T00:40:26  <dennda> but lemme think about that
2008-05-30T00:40:31  <johill> yeah the backend will have to handle that
2008-05-30T00:40:44  <johill> but we don't really need arbitrary negagtive indexes anyway
2008-05-30T00:42:22  <dennda> ok then my statement was wrong
2008-05-30T00:43:25  <dennda> it is a single-lined method
2008-05-30T00:44:13  <johill> I'm just wondering whether there is really any benefit to doing item[x] at all
2008-05-30T00:44:41  <johill> sure, it's nice, but it's neither dict-like (-1 is really special) nor list-like
2008-05-30T00:45:52  <dennda> hm
2008-05-30T00:46:47  <dennda> johill: well, since there are no get_revision-methods on the Item class yet there's no doubled functionality
2008-05-30T00:46:57  <johill> true
2008-05-30T00:48:21  <dennda> I think it's nice syntactic sugar
2008-05-30T00:48:46  <dennda> not hard to implement and definitely more handy than get_revision(revno)
2008-05-30T00:49:01  <johill> it's fine with me, but considering that we also need metadata and we have that right on the revision _and_ these problems, maybe it's time to switch?
2008-05-30T00:49:39  <johill> anyway, your call
2008-05-30T00:49:58  <dennda> how do you think it clashes with metadata?
2008-05-30T00:50:25  <johill> well we have rev['meta-key'] but item.meta['meta-key'] (or something like that maybe?)
2008-05-30T00:51:05  <dennda> not seeing the clash
2008-05-30T00:51:13  <dennda> oh
2008-05-30T00:51:15  <dennda> the latter
2008-05-30T00:51:16  <dennda> hm
2008-05-30T00:51:25  <dennda> well
2008-05-30T00:51:26  <johill> it's not clashing, but it might be more naturla to have item['meta-key'] too
2008-05-30T00:51:35  <dennda> yes, maybe
2008-05-30T00:51:40  <dennda> actually that's a matter of taste
2008-05-30T00:51:53  <dennda> you could even combine them, but I am not going to do that
2008-05-30T00:52:03  <johill> heh yeah
2008-05-30T00:52:23  <dennda> time for another flip a coin?
2008-05-30T00:52:27  <dennda> TheSheep: what would you prefer?
2008-05-30T00:52:33  <dennda> You need to use it :)
2008-05-30T00:52:53  <dennda> (Which one get's used more often? Revision access or metadata? Revisions I guess)
2008-05-30T00:52:56  <dennda> by the way
2008-05-30T00:53:01  <dennda> didn't we discuss that already?
2008-05-30T00:53:14  <dennda> I got some deja vue :)
2008-05-30T00:53:27  <johill> yeah
2008-05-30T00:55:04  <dennda> hmm what would I want if I had to use it? :)
2008-05-30T00:58:00  <dennda> johill: I'm fine with both ways
2008-05-30T00:58:17  <dennda> I think my_item["meta-key"] is more natural but less often used
2008-05-30T00:58:32  <johill> yeah true it's rarely used
2008-05-30T00:58:56  <dennda> so?
2008-05-30T00:59:24  <johill> the special semantics of the revision access makes me lean slightly towards using it for metadata, but ever so slightly
2008-05-30T00:59:34  <dennda> ok
2008-05-30T00:59:42  <dennda> We got a decision after all
2008-05-30T01:00:00  <dennda> let's use it for metadata directly and introduce get_revision(revno) and list_revisions()
2008-05-30T01:00:08  <dennda> ok?
2008-05-30T01:01:42  <johill> sure
2008-05-30T01:01:51  <dennda> TheSheep: you got a 10 seconds veto
2008-05-30T01:03:08  <dennda> pythons explicit self when defining a method and implicit self when calling a method somehow sucks
2008-05-30T01:03:57  <johill> you can do Item.get_revision(my_item, revno) ;)
2008-05-30T01:04:06  <johill> not with subclassing though
2008-05-30T01:04:19  <dennda> I will not call self anything else then self :)
2008-05-30T01:04:37  <dennda> and passing an Item to Item is somehow stupid
2008-05-30T01:05:06  <johill> I've actually called self s before in really short stubs that needed it like a dozen times (s.a, s.b, s.c, ..)
2008-05-30T01:05:28  <dennda> that's just bloody painful
2008-05-30T01:05:49  <dennda> at least if you are as used to self as I am
2008-05-30T01:08:51  <johill> heh
2008-05-30T01:12:43  <dennda> johill: Do we create a dict-attribute for Item and allow accessing it through the DictMixin interface?
2008-05-30T01:12:51  <dennda> Or what was your vision like?
2008-05-30T01:13:36  <johill> for metadata then?
2008-05-30T01:13:52  <dennda> yes
2008-05-30T01:14:43  <johill> yeah I suppose
2008-05-30T01:14:52  <johill> though it needs two different underlying dicts
2008-05-30T01:15:02  <johill> on the first read-only access you load it all into a dict
2008-05-30T01:15:07  <johill> no, an immutable user dict
2008-05-30T01:15:35  <johill> and when it's locked for writing it needs to check that the assigned values have proper form
2008-05-30T01:17:29  <dennda> hm
2008-05-30T01:18:19  <johill> same with revisions though
2008-05-30T01:18:55  <dennda> ok now it happened
2008-05-30T01:19:00  <johill> when you're just creating them, you can write, but only strings, unicodes and lists thereor (xorAxAx wants the front-end to explicitly pickle where necessary)
2008-05-30T01:19:03  <dennda> my concentration is completely gone
2008-05-30T01:19:11  <dennda> That may be a candidate for the phonecall :)
2008-05-30T01:19:17  <johill> make a note :)
2008-05-30T01:19:20  <johill> I should go sleep anyway
2008-05-30T01:19:25  <dennda> me too
2008-05-30T01:23:15  <dennda> just pushing these minor changes
2008-05-30T01:25:00  <CIA-50> Christopher Denter <moin GUESSWHAT the DASH space DASH station PERIOD com> default * 3908:307c6e1d253b 1.8-storage-cdenter/MoinMoin/storage/abstract.py:
2008-05-30T01:25:00  <CIA-50> We decided to access Revisions of Items with seperate methods and metadata
2008-05-30T01:25:00  <CIA-50> through dict-like semantics. Added two methods get_revision and list_revisions
2008-05-30T01:25:00  <CIA-50> on the Item class for that. Changed docstrings to be 80 chars wide.
2008-05-30T01:26:18  <dennda> good night johill
2008-05-30T01:26:30  <johill> night
2008-05-30T01:43:40  <zenhase> re
2008-05-30T01:44:55  <zenhase> finally back from climbing
2008-05-30T01:45:25  <zenhase> a storm came up while at the climbing hall
2008-05-30T01:45:33  <zenhase> it literally rained icicles
2008-05-30T01:45:41  <zenhase> /o'
2008-05-30T01:46:06  <starshine> zenhase: ouch.
2008-05-30T01:50:36  <zenhase> very amusing, since in the afternoon the temperature peaked 30 degrees
2008-05-30T01:50:43  <zenhase> and now this :o
2008-05-30T08:22:34  <dreimark> moin
2008-05-30T08:25:05  <dreimark> can one verify that IE can read files of text/plain e.g. view of attachment:example.txt ?
2008-05-30T08:34:59  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-05-30T09:00:23  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: can one with IE read a file from action=Save redirected to the browser?
2008-05-30T09:02:59  <ThomasWaldmann> i dont understand the question
2008-05-30T09:03:35  <dreimark> if you do use action=Save and select in the browser open with ie
2008-05-30T09:03:47  <dreimark> is it loaded as raw text/
2008-05-30T09:04:45  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, and?
2008-05-30T09:05:43  <ThomasWaldmann> was that a question?
2008-05-30T09:06:36  * ThomasWaldmann has no IE near me right now, but I can maybe try this afternoon
2008-05-30T09:09:54  <ThomasWaldmann> (I guess it will have the same trouble with <<TableOfContents>> as when using action=raw)
2008-05-30T09:45:36  <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
2008-05-30T10:32:59  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: I think the problem of ie can be caused from the missing extension
2008-05-30T10:34:21  * dreimark has to figure out how to get a rs-mmc card removed from the sd slot of the x0
2008-05-30T10:35:23  <dreimark> unfortuately it was easy to remove the adapter :(
2008-05-30T10:46:22  <zenhase> moin
2008-05-30T14:11:34  <ThomasWaldmann> re
2008-05-30T14:12:16  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: if IE fucks up by guessing the content-type although it has been told the correct content-type,that's not our problem
2008-05-30T14:16:47  <dreimark> re
2008-05-30T16:01:57  <waldi> ThomasWaldmann: i digged a little bit further but did not find another usefull name
2008-05-30T16:13:43  <ThomasWaldmann> ok, so your choice is?
2008-05-30T16:14:39  <ThomasWaldmann> waldi:
2008-05-30T16:15:00  <dreimark> htg
2008-05-30T16:32:18  <waldi> EmeraldTree
2008-05-30T16:34:50  <ThomasWaldmann> ok
2008-05-30T16:41:56  <ThomasWaldmann> http://hg.moinmo.in/EmeraldTree/
2008-05-30T16:44:51  <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: hast Du rausgefunden, was das fuer ein comment format ist, das ET verwendet - also welches Tool da was draus macht?
2008-05-30T16:45:38  <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: do you already have real changesets for ET?
2008-05-30T16:46:22  <ThomasWaldmann> otherwise I would first run the PEP8 checker over it to have a clean base
2008-05-30T16:58:11  * ThomasWaldmann .oO(watercooling outside :P )
2008-05-30T17:01:09  <ThomasWaldmann> ElementTree.py:1308:27: E799 don't use 'x == None', but just 'x is None' or 'not x'
2008-05-30T17:04:16  <waldi> ThomasWaldmann: i want to start with an upstream branch to have a clean base for possible merging
2008-05-30T17:05:18  <waldi> ThomasWaldmann: doxygen supports this documentation style
2008-05-30T17:06:07  <ThomasWaldmann> just push whatever you like. i guess I'll make some cosmetic changes.
2008-05-30T17:09:35  * dennda just configured DSL 20.000 for his parents
2008-05-30T17:10:23  <ThomasWaldmann> needs a good wlan router :)
2008-05-30T17:11:01  <dennda> Well
2008-05-30T17:11:05  <dennda> Now there's four of them
2008-05-30T17:11:57  <dennda> Oh
2008-05-30T17:12:07  <dennda> And my second FedEx parcel arrived
2008-05-30T17:12:40  <ThomasWaldmann> $$$
2008-05-30T17:12:44  <waldi> not yet
2008-05-30T17:13:21  <dennda> haha :)
2008-05-30T17:14:24  <waldi> only $1
2008-05-30T17:18:32  <waldi> ThomasWaldmann: but docygen also support the same content in doc strings
2008-05-30T17:23:14  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, I read it on the homepage
2008-05-30T17:35:10  <dennda> zenhase: Did you already activate your card? I am trying to do that with call collect (or "R-Gespraech") but don't know how
2008-05-30T17:35:27  <dennda> (I just don't know how much it costs to call them. Maybe you know that)
2008-05-30T17:42:20  <ThomasWaldmann> IIRC calling the US today is cheaper than a long distance call was in germany in the last century
2008-05-30T17:44:52  <johill> it's cheaper than long distance calls on most non-flat phone line contracts
2008-05-30T17:44:59  <johill> ;)
2008-05-30T17:46:58  <xorAxAx> dennda: r-gespräch is horribly expensive - why would anyone want to do that?
2008-05-30T17:48:17  <dennda> dunno
2008-05-30T17:48:31  <dennda> I thought that was what I am looking for
2008-05-30T17:49:10  <dennda> the number I have to call is +1-801-464-3232
2008-05-30T17:49:12  <dennda> Is that US?
2008-05-30T17:50:51  <xorAxAx> or canada, yes
2008-05-30T17:51:32  <waldi> its somewhere in north america
2008-05-30T17:52:08  <dennda> and the plus translates to two leading zeros?
2008-05-30T17:52:23  <waldi> dennda: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Numbering_Plan
2008-05-30T17:52:30  <waldi> dennda: in most countries, yes
2008-05-30T18:05:03  <dennda> johill: In the mood for a call tonight?
2008-05-30T18:05:14  <dennda> (Well, not exactly tonight)
2008-05-30T18:51:32  <dennda> waldi: hm
2008-05-30T18:51:37  <dennda> waldi: Are you actually german?
2008-05-30T18:52:14  <dennda> I just tried to call the above number with two leading zeroes replacing the plus (and another leading zero to get the "amt") but it just beeps
2008-05-30T18:59:38  <xorAxAx> what are you doing? :)
2008-05-30T19:05:39  <dennda> xorAxAx: trying to call that number
2008-05-30T19:06:06  <xorAxAx> which is a confcall provider?
2008-05-30T19:06:23  <dennda> hu?
2008-05-30T19:07:08  <xorAxAx> well, who is at the end? a person, company etc.?
2008-05-30T19:07:55  <dennda> the company that needs to activate my payment card
2008-05-30T19:10:01  <xorAxAx> ah
2008-05-30T19:10:04  <xorAxAx> sounds like fun
2008-05-30T19:10:28  <xorAxAx> i guess i will have to do that as well
2008-05-30T19:11:59  <dennda> Oh boy
2008-05-30T19:12:03  <dennda> My father just said
2008-05-30T19:12:23  <dennda> """Ich geh mal gucken ob Auslandsnummern gesperrt sind"""
2008-05-30T19:12:36  <xorAxAx> lol
2008-05-30T19:27:04  <dennda> "=!)§$=)"/§%
2008-05-30T19:30:48  <dennda> "=!)§$=)"/§%
2008-05-30T19:30:48  <dennda> "=!)§$=)"/§% 32rktJ
2008-05-30T19:30:49  <dennda> K-
2008-05-30T19:30:52  <dennda> OOPS
2008-05-30T19:49:14  <dennda> sorry
2008-05-30T19:49:19  <dennda> But I got it activated now
2008-05-30T20:19:36  <waldi> dennda: yes
2008-05-30T20:21:46  <CIA-50> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3646:8352dcd5a282 1.7/MoinMoin/search/Xapian.py: Xapian search: for mimetypes also index major and minor separately, so you can search for 'text' or 'plain'
2008-05-30T20:35:03  <gizmach> moin
2008-05-30T20:43:42  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: do you already know how are you going to travel to europython?
2008-05-30T20:49:10  <zenhase> re
2008-05-30T20:50:06  <zenhase> damnit, you go to a place where you expect to have a quiet atmosphere to work, just to realize it has been upgraded to ADSL2+ connection ... without having a proper modem for that yet
2008-05-30T20:51:06  <zenhase> dennda: no, didn't do that yet ... also because i don't know how to call collect
2008-05-30T20:51:15  <zenhase> dennda: i think i will do it with skype later
2008-05-30T21:00:54  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: by plane
2008-05-30T21:01:06  <TheSheep> ah
2008-05-30T21:01:34  <TheSheep> I was looking at the schedules and I can only see a bus
2008-05-30T21:01:49  <TheSheep> but I wasn't looking at planes
2008-05-30T21:02:01  <johill> dennda: yeah sure
2008-05-30T21:02:13  <johill> dennda: only just got back though, give me a few minutes
2008-05-30T21:05:19  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: no flights for you at flylal.com
2008-05-30T21:11:54  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: yeah, maybe I'll go to Berlin and fly from there
2008-05-30T21:14:17  <johill> dennda: the plus only translates to the international prefix in GSM, as far as I know
2008-05-30T21:14:56  <TheSheep> no planes from berlin :/
2008-05-30T21:15:01  <TheSheep> well, it's 10h in a bus then
2008-05-30T21:21:42  <johill> dennda: you should merge the 1.7 hwendel branch, I merged up 1.7 in there
2008-05-30T21:46:36  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: ^^ same for pawel
2008-05-30T21:53:21  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: yeah, I need to ping him, but I guess he'll have his own place to stay
2008-05-30T21:54:29  <dennda> johill: Bad news: There's a heavy thunderstorm outside and my laptop doesn't more then 20 mins of power supply
2008-05-30T21:55:17  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: i meant the repo merge :)
2008-05-30T21:56:15  <TheSheep> ah
2008-05-30T21:57:35  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, no time for hacking after the conference?
2008-05-30T22:00:37  <TheSheep> no funds to stay longer :)
2008-05-30T22:00:45  <TheSheep> I can hack from home
2008-05-30T22:06:56  <johill> dennda: ah. you have the thunderstorm. we have a bit of lightning ;)
2008-05-30T22:07:54  <dennda> I hope it's over soon
2008-05-30T22:07:59  <dennda> got to finish some things here :)
2008-05-30T22:08:04  <dennda> And I don't want to program on paper
2008-05-30T22:08:08  <johill> heh
2008-05-30T22:08:12  <johill> punchcards!
2008-05-30T22:08:12  <xorAxAx> johill: its currently becoming worse
2008-05-30T22:08:31  <johill> xorAxAx: in PB? I'm at my parents right now
2008-05-30T22:08:35  <xorAxAx> i already noticed a tear of rain
2008-05-30T22:08:46  <xorAxAx> johill: yeah, even for you up there. its coming from the south
2008-05-30T22:09:06  <johill> yeah so far we only had a bit of lightning
2008-05-30T22:10:51  <johill> ohh. first thunder
2008-05-30T22:11:06  <johill> no wait, it's a motorcycle or something. heh
2008-05-30T22:11:54  * dennda will have to leave in a few seconds due to low battery :/
2008-05-30T22:12:39  <johill> if you're so afraid of the thunderstorm, why is your internet even up? :)
2008-05-30T22:12:56  <ThomasWaldmann> wlan routers are cheap
2008-05-30T22:13:00  <dennda> Yep
2008-05-30T22:13:05  <dennda> Good laptops aren't
2008-05-30T22:13:19  <johill> heh, true
2008-05-30T22:35:28  * dennda just decided to trust in god
2008-05-30T22:36:24  <dennda> johill: call? Or is it too late already?
2008-05-30T22:41:17  <johill> fine with me, I'll call you lest we wake my parents
2008-05-30T22:42:01  <johill> ok?
2008-05-30T22:43:24  <johill> (I can never remember our second phone's number)
2008-05-30T22:45:01  <dennda> hehe
2008-05-30T22:45:07  <dennda> ok give me a second
2008-05-30T22:47:57  <johill> let me know
2008-05-30T22:50:41  <dennda> ok