MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-05-16

2008-05-16T08:49:39  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-05-16T09:01:22  <gizmach> ThomasWaldmann: moin
2008-05-16T09:08:45  <dreimark> moin
2008-05-16T11:19:53  *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ
2008-05-16T17:30:43  <TheSheep> http://moin.sheep.art.pl/ <-- these are the changes I had in mind since a long time
2008-05-16T17:30:57  <TheSheep> http://sheep.art.pl/devel/modernized/ <-- the changelog
2008-05-16T17:34:38  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: page_front_page =uu"something"
2008-05-16T17:34:44  <ThomasWaldmann> arg
2008-05-16T17:34:50  <TheSheep> ?
2008-05-16T17:35:28  <ThomasWaldmann> it shows me the default german StartSeite
2008-05-16T17:51:24  <TheSheep> ah, right, it's been migrated since 1.3.5
2008-05-16T19:07:08  <zenhase> TheSheep: this looks quite nice
2008-05-16T19:08:12  <zenhase> subtle change, but i still think this would be an improvement
2008-05-16T19:09:49  <zenhase> btw, is there a reason why it isn't xhtml but still html 4.01? (ok ok, i know that it's basically the same, but still i want to know ;D)
2008-05-16T19:18:27  <TheSheep> zenhase: yeah, xhtml wouldn't allow such sloppy code as is generated now
2008-05-16T19:18:40  <TheSheep> zenhase: it will be fixed this summer, hopefully
2008-05-16T19:28:46  <TheSheep> I wonder if it's ok now to use png images with alpha channel
2008-05-16T19:30:15  <zenhase> TheSheep: the parser/formatter task i presume
2008-05-16T20:52:34  <LotekMarcel> somebody here where knows bit about running moinmoin with wsgi? got a question.
2008-05-16T20:57:10  <LotekMarcel> Is it necessary to use WSGIDaemonProcess; performance should be better without a additional Daemon; maybe see on http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/wiki/PerformanceEstimates
2008-05-16T21:05:44  <LotekMarcel> atleast on my 1.7beta2 it's not working (e.g. can't view SystemInfo) without daemon, *grumbel* :-(
2008-05-16T21:08:21  <ThomasWaldmann> use daemon mode
2008-05-16T21:08:53  <LotekMarcel> sure; deamon mode is working; just saw a note that direct would be faster... but it's not working without troubles, right?
2008-05-16T21:09:01  <ThomasWaldmann> the embedded mode is unsecure, badly manageable, and doesnt seperate stuff cleanly
2008-05-16T21:09:18  <ThomasWaldmann> you won't notice a speed difference
2008-05-16T21:09:37  <ThomasWaldmann> (i didn't try, but that's a reasonable guess :)
2008-05-16T21:10:03  <LotekMarcel> ok, thanks! was just wondering
2008-05-16T21:11:14  <ThomasWaldmann> and mod_wsgi is really good at daemon control
2008-05-16T21:12:44  <ThomasWaldmann> esp. 2.0
2008-05-16T21:12:45  <LotekMarcel> yea you right; I even can use it on my shared hosting with only ~80MB memory.
2008-05-16T21:13:22  <ThomasWaldmann> ugh
2008-05-16T21:14:00  <ThomasWaldmann> even a single moin process can get bigger. restart the daemon often.
2008-05-16T21:15:06  <LotekMarcel> it's working since a few weeks without troubles
2008-05-16T21:15:12  <LotekMarcel> using something like WSGIDaemonProcess daemonwiki user=lotek group=lotek processes=2 threads=10 maximum-requests=100
2008-05-16T21:15:34  <LotekMarcel> maximum-requests should be 1'000... anyway
2008-05-16T22:58:03  <dreimark> johill: can you verify a AttachFile problem on MM
2008-05-16T22:58:15  <johill> hm? how?
2008-05-16T22:58:44  <dreimark> I have problems to upload a file smaller as 1K
2008-05-16T22:58:53  <johill> heh
2008-05-16T22:59:03  <dreimark> it is 0B there
2008-05-16T22:59:30  <johill> same here
2008-05-16T22:59:40  <dreimark> I file a bugreport
2008-05-16T22:59:44  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: moin is optimized for big stuff now :D
2008-05-16T23:00:03  * johill suggests to fix the bug by padding all files to >1K now
2008-05-16T23:02:37  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: happens on moinmo.in?
2008-05-16T23:03:05  <johill> yes, just verified
2008-05-16T23:03:14  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/AttachmentUploadTooSmal
2008-05-16T23:03:17  <dreimark> l
2008-05-16T23:04:06  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: happens on standalone also?
2008-05-16T23:04:54  <dreimark> moment
2008-05-16T23:06:11  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: yes it does happen in 1.7 standalone too
2008-05-16T23:07:55  <dreimark> a new wikidicts patch http://paste.pocoo.org/show/50918/
2008-05-16T23:09:05  <dreimark> and an other one for macro.__init__
2008-05-16T23:09:07  <dreimark> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/50919/
2008-05-16T23:09:34  <dreimark> I do want to be able to import macro using request_cli
2008-05-16T23:10:34  <ThomasWaldmann> then it is likely related to my bigfile optimization and FieldStorage doing things differently for files <1K
2008-05-16T23:12:08  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: i guess this refreshes all the time
2008-05-16T23:12:15  <dreimark> no
2008-05-16T23:12:21  <ThomasWaldmann> why not?
2008-05-16T23:12:44  <dreimark> because it is not always the same time
2008-05-16T23:13:07  <dreimark> current_disk_cache_mtime: 1210972377.0
2008-05-16T23:13:13  <dreimark> self.disk_cache_mtime: 1210972376.0
2008-05-16T23:13:53  <dreimark> I needed 3 calls of the test script to get the time doubled
2008-05-16T23:14:07  <ThomasWaldmann> and IIRC i already told you that this way to patch macro just hides a problem, but is not solving it
2008-05-16T23:14:30  <johill> is that not what moin is about?
2008-05-16T23:14:31  * johill hides
2008-05-16T23:15:39  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: put a logging call at the place where you call self.reset and see
2008-05-16T23:16:07  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: you have to call i18n_init()
2008-05-16T23:21:57  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: alternatively, look at this line:
2008-05-16T23:22:00  <ThomasWaldmann>                 self.disk_cache_mtime = current_disk_cache_mtime
2008-05-16T23:25:40  <dreimark> ok seen it too, it is resetting always
2008-05-16T23:26:10  <dreimark> it's dodgy