MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-04-24

2008-04-24T00:23:32  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, what's "46" in Swedish? ;)
2008-04-24T00:23:44  <xorAxAx> hi bw_moon
2008-04-24T00:23:50  <xorAxAx> and good morning :-)
2008-04-24T00:24:13  <bw_moon> xorAxAx: good morning~~
2008-04-24T00:24:17  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: hmm, thats paged out already
2008-04-24T00:24:36  <grzywacz> O_o;
2008-04-24T00:24:38  <xorAxAx> bw_moon: do you have greetings depending on the time of day in korea?
2008-04-24T00:25:18  <xorAxAx> because i read that koreans often dont have the classic western sleeping schedule where you have a long period of sleep at night
2008-04-24T00:29:27  <ThomasWaldmann> re
2008-04-24T00:29:43  <xorAxAx> but i guess thats unrelated
2008-04-24T00:29:48  <xorAxAx> bw_moon: have you read my mail?
2008-04-24T00:30:30  <bw_moon> xorAxAx: I didn't read it,
2008-04-24T00:30:42  <waldi> re
2008-04-24T00:30:49  <xorAxAx> hmm, i sent it yesterday
2008-04-24T00:31:07  <xorAxAx> to the address you specified in the google application
2008-04-24T00:31:13  <waldi> now for everyone to comment: http://moinmo.in/BastianBlank/TreeOutputFormatter
2008-04-24T00:31:26  <bw_moon> xorAxAx: sorry, I was mid term exam period.
2008-04-24T00:32:30  <xorAxAx> bw_moon: thats fine
2008-04-24T00:32:43  <bw_moon> xorAxAx: could you tell me your mail address or subject of that mail?
2008-04-24T00:32:50  <xorAxAx> its not a time critical mail, jsut testing whether mail communication works
2008-04-24T00:33:05  <xorAxAx> tasyblue  @hotmail
2008-04-24T00:34:30  <bw_moon> xorAxAx: it's my msn messenger address. my email address is tasyblue@gmail
2008-04-24T00:34:48  <bw_moon> xorAxAx: it seems like my mistake, I'll fix it.
2008-04-24T00:34:51  <xorAxAx> ah, indeed, oops
2008-04-24T00:34:56  <xorAxAx> no, my mistake :)
2008-04-24T00:35:47  <xorAxAx> ok, resent
2008-04-24T00:35:59  <xorAxAx> as i said, its not trime crittical as long you are learning for exams
2008-04-24T00:38:27  <bw_moon> xorAxAx: I just read it, :-) thanks.
2008-04-24T00:39:15  <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: i guess the page modifications (== make it work from the wiki ui) should be done earlier
2008-04-24T00:40:24  <waldi> ThomasWaldmann: hmm. can be done even if macros don't work yet
2008-04-24T00:41:30  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, and we'll notice problems earlier
2008-04-24T00:41:32  <waldi> but not before the converter registration because it needs it to lookup the needed converters
2008-04-24T00:42:09  <waldi> and old wiki parser may also work with the compatibility formatter
2008-04-24T00:42:47  <ThomasWaldmann> otoh, Page changes will conflict with stuff in storage branch
2008-04-24T00:43:37  <ThomasWaldmann> so maybe we have to see how far storage work is at that time
2008-04-24T00:44:44  <ThomasWaldmann> so maybe we better do extensive unit testing as long as possible
2008-04-24T00:46:29  <waldi> macro modifications can be done after the spec and the etree modifications are finished
2008-04-24T00:48:01  <xorAxAx> "macro modifications"?
2008-04-24T00:49:09  <xorAxAx> waldi:
2008-04-24T00:50:22  <waldi> several macros (and also parser) will stop to work, so they need to be fixed. either to use the formatter API or the new interface
2008-04-24T00:51:47  <xorAxAx> hmm, you mean they arent using the formatter api yet?
2008-04-24T00:52:12  <xorAxAx> which macros can you think of besides RC? how do you want to handle RC?
2008-04-24T00:52:25  <xorAxAx> (hmm, RC could simply use rawHTML everywhere)
2008-04-24T00:53:27  <waldi> rawHTML is a problem also
2008-04-24T00:53:47  <xorAxAx> why?
2008-04-24T00:55:20  <waldi> add <bla> into a xml file and try to read it again
2008-04-24T00:55:51  <xorAxAx> ?
2008-04-24T00:56:03  <xorAxAx> how is html related to "a xml file"?
2008-04-24T00:56:20  <xorAxAx> it looks like you are mixing levels a bit
2008-04-24T00:56:24  <waldi> html is xml (more or less)
2008-04-24T00:56:40  <xorAxAx> html is sgml which is not xml
2008-04-24T00:56:52  <xorAxAx> (a subset of sgml)
2008-04-24T00:57:06  <xorAxAx> yet, still, how is that related to "a xml file"?
2008-04-24T00:57:27  <xorAxAx> an xml file is the serialization of an xml document
2008-04-24T00:57:55  <waldi> and a not closed element breaks it
2008-04-24T00:57:59  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe he means that we at least would have to fix rc to emit xhtml, if everything around that output is already xhtml
2008-04-24T00:58:37  <waldi> xorAxAx: the definition of the output format already say "xhtml"
2008-04-24T00:59:01  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, RC could even become an action
2008-04-24T00:59:03  <xorAxAx> waldi: which output format?
2008-04-24T00:59:12  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: not sure about that
2008-04-24T00:59:30  <waldi> "application/x-xhtml-moin-page"
2008-04-24T01:00:34  <xorAxAx> well, i still dont see the problem. genshi also serializes to xhtml and accepts html chunks just fine
2008-04-24T01:00:43  <xorAxAx> using their Markup element
2008-04-24T01:00:54  <xorAxAx> maybe you want to check how they handle it
2008-04-24T01:10:44  * xorAxAx &
2008-04-24T07:28:47  * gizmach iz off - exam
2008-04-24T09:51:59  <dreimark> moin
2008-04-24T11:00:27  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: you once had a python program that can record/log work times
2008-04-24T11:00:32  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: do you still remember the name?
2008-04-24T11:20:19  <xorAxAx> ah, gtimelog
2008-04-24T11:20:40  <xorAxAx> .oO(recommends mutt)
2008-04-24T11:55:27  <zenhase> moin
2008-04-24T12:17:07  <zenhase> hmm, need to do something about my back today :o
2008-04-24T12:17:24  <zenhase> it's still not working correctly
2008-04-24T12:36:31  <dreimark> zenhase: you should do i have still some trouble with bursitis in my left arm
2008-04-24T12:37:07  <dreimark> but it is much better since the weekend
2008-04-24T12:48:43  <johill> dreimark: show_login is removed, no?
2008-04-24T12:48:51  <johill> you just don't configure auth methods and it goes away
2008-04-24T12:50:25  <johill> I'll look at the recoverpass action and rewrite it, code looks horrible anyway
2008-04-24T12:50:27  <johill> for now, I'm off
2008-04-24T13:11:22  <dreimark> johill: show_login is gone I know
2008-04-24T13:11:58  <dreimark> but I realized too that excluding the action login/logout does not remove it from the theme
2008-04-24T13:13:54  <dreimark> have not tried do remove any auth_method.
2008-04-24T13:17:15  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: i think one only want to get rid of login/logout if one uses e.g. http auth only
2008-04-24T13:25:02  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: with those them removed is needed.
2008-04-24T13:25:40  <dreimark> and wanted
2008-04-24T13:26:59  <dreimark> on the other hand if one excludes action there is no need to show them in the theme
2008-04-24T13:28:10  <ThomasWaldmann> yes, but if it auto-removes by not using those auth methods, that's even better than having to use actions_excluded
2008-04-24T13:30:25  <dreimark> true
2008-04-24T13:31:20  * dreimark looks on theme.__ini__ for the other actions 
2008-04-24T13:32:28  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, http auth and moin_session should be checked for "logout" behaviour.
2008-04-24T13:32:50  <ThomasWaldmann> afaik, closing the browser window is the only way to log out from http auth, right?
2008-04-24T13:33:12  <dreimark> unfortunately yes and  you have to close all browsers
2008-04-24T13:33:48  <ThomasWaldmann> but the session would be still alive then. hmm, maybe not a problem, as the http auth will ask for u/p again anyway.
2008-04-24T13:34:29  <dreimark> the session data will be cleared if another user is using the same browser
2008-04-24T13:35:49  <dreimark> the bigger problem is that you have to close all ff browsers. that is quite ugly and I am quite sure only few people know
2008-04-24T13:37:09  <dreimark> I can test it again on Friday. for http_auth and session. I do have a machine with a testwiki for that test
2008-04-24T14:16:45  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: is time over already for changing i18n strings?
2008-04-24T14:16:54  <dreimark> "You are not allowed to do login on this page. Login and try again."
2008-04-24T14:17:10  <dreimark> the second one should be removed
2008-04-24T14:17:41  <ThomasWaldmann> from where is that?
2008-04-24T15:12:33  <dreimark> hmm it happens in request.__init__ 1263 else branch if login is disabled (because of msg concat)
2008-04-24T15:12:37  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann:
2008-04-24T15:40:30  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: that is easy fixed without changing i18n strings
2008-04-24T15:40:57  <ThomasWaldmann> (and you maybe remember my words about that kinds of "tips")
2008-04-24T15:57:28  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: seen later too after searching, was a bit surprised as I saw it
2008-04-24T16:00:56  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/ReimarBauer?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=remove_excluded_actions.patch
2008-04-24T16:01:19  <dreimark> http://moinmo.in/ReimarBauer?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=test_PageLink.patch
2008-04-24T16:09:22  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: in AttachFile.do_admin_browser we do use querystr as string and not as dict.
2008-04-24T16:09:35  <dreimark> I think that's a bug or ?
2008-04-24T16:10:18  <dreimark> because page.url will reject because of not a dict
2008-04-24T16:12:12  <dreimark>  Page(request, pagename).link_to(request, querystr="action=AttachFile"),
2008-04-24T16:12:21  <dreimark> line 1071 in AttachFile
2008-04-24T16:13:01  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: if it is a string, it is likely old code
2008-04-24T16:13:29  <ThomasWaldmann> (and in that case, easily fixed)
2008-04-24T16:15:42  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: I will look at yourpatches later this evening
2008-04-24T16:26:46  <dreimark> thanks
2008-04-24T16:42:00  <gizmach> moin
2008-04-24T16:42:08  * gizmach alibe
2008-04-24T16:42:11  * gizmach alive*
2008-04-24T16:56:36  <dreimark> hi Melita. All ok ?
2008-04-24T16:56:58  <gizmach> dreimark: :) yes it was quiet good
2008-04-24T16:57:14  <gizmach> dreimark: it was the first midterm exam from db course
2008-04-24T16:57:19  <gizmach> you ?
2008-04-24T16:58:25  <dreimark> me too, still have to do some server works but not in a hurry. ;)
2008-04-24T18:46:38  <dreimark> bbl
2008-04-24T22:35:56  <gizmach> re
2008-04-24T22:40:26  <ThomasWaldmann> moin gizmach
2008-04-24T22:42:49  <gizmach> moin ThomasWaldmann
2008-04-24T22:47:46  <dreimark> moin Thomas, Melita
2008-04-24T22:49:12  <gizmach> dreimark: wb:)
2008-04-24T22:49:40  <dreimark> thx
2008-04-24T23:53:11  <dreimark> gn