MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-04-14

2008-04-14T01:24:22  <CIA-47> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3504:7ee94ad36708 1.7/MoinMoin/ (12 files in 4 dirs): tests: test page creation/deletion now done by helpers in MoinMoin._tests
2008-04-14T01:37:20  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: please have a look at my last changesets
2008-04-14T01:39:54  <xorAxAx> moins slot alloc was upgraded t o5
2008-04-14T01:39:57  <xorAxAx> to 5
2008-04-14T01:43:10  <zenhase> \o/
2008-04-14T01:43:42  <zenhase> gn8 everyone
2008-04-14T01:46:28  <ThomasWaldmann> christmas: 5?
2008-04-14T01:46:40  <gizmach> zenhase: night
2008-04-14T04:33:42  <abrese1> Hello moin-dev
2008-04-14T08:45:30  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-04-14T08:50:54  <gizmach> TheSheep: moin
2008-04-14T08:50:59  <gizmach> ThomasWaldmann: moin
2008-04-14T08:51:08  * gizmach is still sleepy 
2008-04-14T09:35:28  <dreimark> moin
2008-04-14T09:35:52  <gizmach> moin again
2008-04-14T09:36:16  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: I guess abrese* is Adam
2008-04-14T09:37:59  <ThomasWaldmann> i know that he is :)
2008-04-14T09:38:43  <ThomasWaldmann> but he needs a world clock :)
2008-04-14T09:39:23  <xorAxAx> well, its not obvious when to expect people in this channel without reading the logs
2008-04-14T09:50:59  <gizmach> xorAxAx: I saw you comment on my project proposal, but I don't know why I didn't get the soc notification mail, strange
2008-04-14T09:51:10  <xorAxAx> gizmach: because of a bug
2008-04-14T09:57:38  <gizmach> xorAxAx: ah... I see, but really good idea, It would be a new way of thinking and doing software development for me.
2008-04-14T10:00:12  <gizmach> xorAxAx: I just done with seminary functional/acceptance testing and this will be opposite way of thinking about the software development and code
2008-04-14T10:02:17  <fgs> moin
2008-04-14T10:03:55  <gizmach> fgs: moin
2008-04-14T10:10:11  <xorAxAx> gizmach: yes, its a bit different than the classical idea of a perfect world. mostly because the classic idea doesnt really work out in the practice ...
2008-04-14T10:10:31  <xorAxAx> gizmach: another aspect is that in the industry, you will have a customer who needs to do his acceptance testing as well
2008-04-14T10:10:53  <xorAxAx> so combining this still makes sense
2008-04-14T10:12:20  * xorAxAx -> university until 19:30 :)
2008-04-14T11:13:32  <dennda> Cool, google just informed me that you once dropped a comment on my application, xorAxAx ;)
2008-04-14T12:40:46  <zenhase> moin
2008-04-14T12:57:04  <grzybacz> moin
2008-04-14T13:05:04  <ThomasWaldmann> hi grzybacz
2008-04-14T13:29:49  <xorAxAx> dennda: hehe, yeah
2008-04-14T14:16:21  <grzybacz> hej ThomasWaldmann
2008-04-14T14:16:23  <grzybacz> hi xorAxAx ;)
2008-04-14T14:17:04  <xorAxAx> hi karol
2008-04-14T14:21:21  <grzybacz> How's life?
2008-04-14T14:23:20  * zenhase needs to adjust his timezone again
2008-04-14T14:23:48  <zenhase> waking at 12:30 isn't really what i intended when i went to bed
2008-04-14T14:26:57  <xorAxAx> grzybacz: busy :)
2008-04-14T14:30:43  <grzybacz> xorAxAx: positively busy? :)
2008-04-14T14:38:42  <xorAxAx> grzybacz: fixing a makefile and listening to a lecture
2008-04-14T14:43:10  <zenhase> yeah, a new semester ... new lectures, new frustrations
2008-04-14T14:52:52  <grzybacz> xorAxAx: doesn't sound bad :)
2008-04-14T15:49:28  <kikka> Moin
2008-04-14T17:04:22  <gizmach> moin
2008-04-14T17:04:38  * gizmach back from colege
2008-04-14T17:13:17  <zenhase> welcome back gizmach
2008-04-14T17:31:52  <gizmach> zenhase: hello
2008-04-14T18:43:34  <ThomasWaldmann> I'll remove the logfile stuff from the fallback logging configuration, those moin.log everywhere are annoying (so it just logs to stderr).
2008-04-14T18:44:42  <dreimark> :)
2008-04-14T18:47:49  <CIA-47> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3505:cd43bbf56c33 1.7/ (11 files in 5 dirs): logging: removed logging to ./moin.log from fallback config, better docs
2008-04-14T19:20:47  * gizmach is preparing for anual croatian linux conference one and a half day only
2008-04-14T19:20:52  <gizmach> annual*
2008-04-14T19:35:26  <ThomasWaldmann> gizmach: be careful with that word :P
2008-04-14T19:37:33  <gizmach> ThomasWaldmann: once I almostly said lexical anal_ysis and not  analysis course in croatian which sounds worse than in english
2008-04-14T19:38:18  <dreimark> he
2008-04-14T19:38:20  <gizmach> ThomasWaldmann: will the candidates for gsoc will be able to see how moin mentors scored us ?
2008-04-14T19:38:35  <zenhase> don't think so
2008-04-14T19:39:08  <zenhase> you weren't able to see it last year
2008-04-14T19:39:19  <zenhase> and i think you actually don't want to know :)
2008-04-14T19:39:30  <gizmach> zenhase: maybe, and maybe not
2008-04-14T19:39:50  <zenhase> if you are selected, you already know that you were among the better applications
2008-04-14T19:39:54  <gizmach> zenhase: a feedback is always great
2008-04-14T19:40:15  <gizmach> zenhase: you always learn somethng from that
2008-04-14T19:40:38  <zenhase> numbers aren't good feedback
2008-04-14T19:41:01  <gizmach> but ofc you/I will not probably feel good with negative number :)
2008-04-14T19:41:10  <gizmach> zenhase: that's true
2008-04-14T19:41:11  <zenhase> and you always learn about what's missing/not cool in your application from talking here with the mentors ;)
2008-04-14T19:41:49  <gizmach> ur right, but you don't know how were the others applications
2008-04-14T19:42:18  <gizmach> yes I could read logs and see what you discused with mentors
2008-04-14T19:46:02  <zenhase> :)
2008-04-14T21:10:50  * ThomasWaldmann writes mail to LH for +1
2008-04-14T21:16:59  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: alife? :)
2008-04-14T22:02:30  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: http://master17.moinmo.in/4ct10n/diff/HelpOnCategories?action=diff&rev1=1&rev2=2 why is it in CatCat?
2008-04-14T22:09:31  <dreimark> The Adobe Flash Player was updated to version 9.0.124.0 to fix several security problems.
2008-04-14T22:09:46  <dreimark> In the worst case an attacker could potentially have flash-player execute arbitrary code via specially crafted files, for instance embedded in web pages.
2008-04-14T22:10:09  <dreimark> that won't be the last fixes
2008-04-14T22:10:18  <ThomasWaldmann> s/owned/flashed/
2008-04-14T22:13:04  <dreimark> got a mail why I have changed <embed> to <object>. That's the problem standards don't work for users
2008-04-14T22:20:42  <ThomasWaldmann> -                r'(----(-*)(\r)?\n)(.*)\b%s\b' % pattern, **kwargs)
2008-04-14T22:20:42  <ThomasWaldmann> +                r'(-----*\r?\n)(##.*\r?\n)*(.*)\b%s\b' % pattern, **kwargs)
2008-04-14T22:21:01  <ThomasWaldmann> (from the category: search - any comments?)
2008-04-14T22:21:54  <ThomasWaldmann> (see the BugTemplate on moinmo.in)
2008-04-14T22:27:32  <dreimark> object testcases http://joliclic.free.fr/html/object-tag/en/
2008-04-14T22:39:39  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, no, that regex also finds Categories in the comment lines
2008-04-14T22:54:48  <gizmach> good night all
2008-04-14T22:54:58  <dreimark> night Melita
2008-04-14T22:56:29  <gizmach> night Reimar
2008-04-14T23:00:50  <CIA-47> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3506:6b6851d0a3c8 1.7/MoinMoin/search/queryparser.py: search: match categories even if there are comment lines
2008-04-14T23:01:27  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: can you try to fool that code?
2008-04-14T23:01:32  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: done :)
2008-04-14T23:01:46  <ThomasWaldmann> \o/
2008-04-14T23:03:10  <ThomasWaldmann> now it got a bit more complicated :D
2008-04-14T23:03:48  <TheSheep> sorry
2008-04-14T23:03:52  <dreimark> one person two taks
2008-04-14T23:04:11  <zenhase> argl ... the nigeria spam connection starts inviting via google calendar & mail
2008-04-14T23:05:04  <ThomasWaldmann> zenhase: tell them you need a photo of them with a fish on their head for religous reasons :D
2008-04-14T23:05:23  <zenhase> ThomasWaldmann: 411scam.com or what was the name of the site?
2008-04-14T23:06:08  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: you really want to mentor a project you gave -1 points? :)
2008-04-14T23:06:31  <zenhase> ah, there is www.419eater.com .. this sounds about right
2008-04-14T23:06:51  <zenhase> deadline for rating is wednesday, right?
2008-04-14T23:06:52  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: well, the -1 was for the application/studnet, not the topic
2008-04-14T23:07:04  <TheSheep> student
2008-04-14T23:07:32  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: if, for some reason we get that many slots that he qualifies, then yes, I'm willing to mentor
2008-04-14T23:08:35  <ThomasWaldmann> you have to score student and topic
2008-04-14T23:08:55  <ThomasWaldmann> because it doesnt help if it is a great topic and a bad student :D
2008-04-14T23:09:05  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: so I did
2008-04-14T23:09:13  <zenhase> or the other way round :)
2008-04-14T23:09:28  <TheSheep> zenhase: actually the other way around could be beneficial
2008-04-14T23:09:43  <zenhase> TheSheep: yeah
2008-04-14T23:09:49  <TheSheep> zenhase: you get a good student to be familiar with moin and get a chance of him staying in the project
2008-04-14T23:09:59  <zenhase> TheSheep: yes, that's a definite plus
2008-04-14T23:10:25  <zenhase> also the bad topic could be perhaps stretched a bit, so it's more interesting and challenging again
2008-04-14T23:10:33  <dreimark> well we have had already the situation a student was telling and telling and gets money for nothing
2008-04-14T23:11:04  <dreimark> and the mentor has had much frustrating work for nothing
2008-04-14T23:11:58  * ThomasWaldmann would suggest only requesting mentorship if you personally find at least +2 somehow
2008-04-14T23:12:33  <ThomasWaldmann> of course the scoring will do it in the end, but it is a bit confusing to see so many requests
2008-04-14T23:12:42  <zenhase> hey dreimark
2008-04-14T23:13:11  <zenhase> i still have this item on my todo-list which i am not sure about
2008-04-14T23:13:23  <zenhase> it's about my send_page proposal :)
2008-04-14T23:13:43  <zenhase> i already talked a bit about WSGI and stuff with xorAxAx, mitsuhiko and the others
2008-04-14T23:13:50  <dreimark> zenhase: currently I do think refactoring of other parts have to be done first
2008-04-14T23:13:54  <zenhase> but i hadn't have any questions on send_page till now
2008-04-14T23:14:52  <zenhase> ok
2008-04-14T23:15:13  <dreimark> I think that is because we know all how difficult it is
2008-04-14T23:15:18  <zenhase> yes
2008-04-14T23:15:44  <zenhase> if request, storage and parser/formatter are all refactored, send_page becomes a lot easier as a task
2008-04-14T23:15:55  <zenhase> that's what i think about it
2008-04-14T23:16:55  <zenhase> hmm
2008-04-14T23:18:40  <zenhase> it's just that i am not able to make assumptions on when all those parts are thoroughly refactored
2008-04-14T23:19:06  <zenhase> and that i thought it could also help the other way round
2008-04-14T23:20:04  * ThomasWaldmann hopes LH won't be too shocked when looking at the app list now :D
2008-04-14T23:20:16  <zenhase> ThomasWaldmann: why is that? :)
2008-04-14T23:20:33  <zenhase> because it's growing? :)
2008-04-14T23:20:49  <ThomasWaldmann> we currently have scores of -3 up to +12
2008-04-14T23:21:08  * dreimark hopes she is not thinking we are doing bad jokes with her requesting for +1 
2008-04-14T23:21:14  <zenhase> which doesn't give me the slightest idea :)
2008-04-14T23:21:27  <ThomasWaldmann> and we have "ownership requested" for a -2 and a 0 scored project
2008-04-14T23:21:29  <zenhase> dunno what the span of points is
2008-04-14T23:21:44  <zenhase> oh ok
2008-04-14T23:22:07  <zenhase> this sounds kind of strange :)
2008-04-14T23:22:20  <ThomasWaldmann> ownership requested means someone offers to mentor this
2008-04-14T23:23:13  <zenhase> and everyone rated already?
2008-04-14T23:23:43  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: ok, I'll cancel them
2008-04-14T23:23:53  <ThomasWaldmann> i guess we are not completely finished, but mostly :)
2008-04-14T23:24:07  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: thanks :)
2008-04-14T23:24:38  <zenhase> TheSheep: i had some thoughts on the whole wsgi middleware thingy
2008-04-14T23:25:08  <zenhase> TheSheep: i think i will have to think a bit different about them in the future
2008-04-14T23:25:09  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: also keep in mind that if google goes crazy and gives us 11 slots, we maybe have a bit more than we want
2008-04-14T23:26:03  <TheSheep> :P
2008-04-14T23:26:25  <ThomasWaldmann> (are there cloned sheep? :))
2008-04-14T23:26:36  <TheSheep> I'm not sure how much work it is, but I assume I can handle 2 projects, 3 would be a lot
2008-04-14T23:26:51  * zenhase dollys TheSheep 
2008-04-14T23:27:01  * TheSheep bites zenhase's head off
2008-04-14T23:27:16  <zenhase> i am not a chocolate easter bunny :(
2008-04-14T23:27:24  <dreimark> only after he is done
2008-04-14T23:27:30  * TheSheep installs wsgi middleware on zenhase's neck and puts the head back
2008-04-14T23:27:41  <grzywacz> zenhase, no, you're dead now without your head. :P
2008-04-14T23:28:13  <zenhase> grzywacz: actually i lived 2 years without a real head
2008-04-14T23:28:32  <zenhase> i am quite fond that i rediscovered it
2008-04-14T23:28:49  <zenhase> so it would be a real shame to lose it right away again
2008-04-14T23:29:04  <dreimark> that webside converter will be bad failing for flash sides
2008-04-14T23:29:13  <TheSheep> don't lose your moxy, chumps
2008-04-14T23:30:48  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: not only for those
2008-04-14T23:31:42  <dreimark> I know first comment was pointing in that direction
2008-04-14T23:31:46  <TheSheep> dreimark: unless you build a flash player that'd OCR every frame... ;)
2008-04-14T23:32:06  <ThomasWaldmann> if one has really big plans on reverse engineering html to wiki markup, i would suggest to first fix the gui converter
2008-04-14T23:32:25  <zenhase> *shivers*
2008-04-14T23:33:39  <dreimark> TheSheep: the problem is the failing student. If it is quite clear the task is not doable in the given time it is not a good idea to do the task
2008-04-14T23:35:57  <ThomasWaldmann> any comments on the 1.7 category: regex fix? if noone objects I'll also put that into 1.6 soon.
2008-04-14T23:37:01  <dreimark> you are to fast and I am to tired
2008-04-14T23:42:56  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: broken
2008-04-14T23:43:17  <ThomasWaldmann> what exactly?
2008-04-14T23:44:26  <dreimark> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/40484/
2008-04-14T23:45:23  <dreimark> <<FullSearchCached(CategoryTest)>> lists the page
2008-04-14T23:45:39  <dreimark> (cache was refreshed)
2008-04-14T23:45:56  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: not entirely sure why it is in there :)
2008-04-14T23:46:01  <xorAxAx> i guess i remove it
2008-04-14T23:46:25  <xorAxAx> ah, oyu did already
2008-04-14T23:52:49  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: use category:CategoryTest