2008-04-08T00:07:25 <pygi> hey folks
2008-04-08T00:07:28 <pygi> how are you doing? :)
2008-04-08T00:12:38 <xorAxAx> hi pygi
2008-04-08T00:12:53 <pygi> I might be interested in participating in GSoC as part of MoinMoin
2008-04-08T00:13:09 <pygi> and was wondering whetever you would be so kind to suggest a task for someone who is not all that familiar with Moin's codebase
2008-04-08T00:13:18 <pygi> but can write python (although no magician)
2008-04-08T00:13:40 <pygi> I can show the part "Why me?" of applications I usually submit so that might help perhaps
2008-04-08T00:14:32 <xorAxAx> well, have you looked at the ideas list? anything that you like?
2008-04-08T00:14:54 <pygi> yes, I have looked at ideas list
2008-04-08T00:17:17 <pygi> xorAxAx, how do you feel about that pool magic?
2008-04-08T00:17:18 <ThomasWaldmann> pygi: the search stuff hasn't drawn too much interest yet
2008-04-08T00:17:51 <xorAxAx> pygi: pool?
2008-04-08T00:18:08 <pygi> ThomasWaldmann, it might be interesting, but I don't use Win, so can't make it work n windows
2008-04-08T00:18:21 <pygi> xorAxAx, it says "# Write something similiar to doodle a decision maker tool "
2008-04-08T00:18:48 <xorAxAx> pygi: what do you mean by pool here?
2008-04-08T00:19:06 <pygi> xorAxAx, well, one of the means to make a decision is pool as well, no?
2008-04-08T00:19:13 * pygi wonders if he's spelling it right :p
2008-04-08T00:19:28 <pygi> ergh
2008-04-08T00:19:40 <pygi> poll*
2008-04-08T00:19:59 <ThomasWaldmann> extended sisterwiki same thing
2008-04-08T00:21:02 <pygi> oh, that one seems interesting!
2008-04-08T00:21:14 <xorAxAx> pygi: ah, there already has been a doodle application
2008-04-08T00:21:25 <pygi> xorAxAx, ok, got it
2008-04-08T00:21:30 <pygi> this sisterwiki magic seems interesting
2008-04-08T00:22:54 <ThomasWaldmann> not sure if you can write a good application for this one in the remaining time, though :)
2008-04-08T00:23:05 <pygi> ThomasWaldmann, oh, don't you worry =)
2008-04-08T00:23:10 <pygi> perhaps not perfect, but as a start ;)
2008-04-08T00:24:08 <xorAxAx> he is experienced in writing applications :)
2008-04-08T00:27:07 <zenhase> :)
2008-04-08T00:27:22 <zenhase> pygi: go for it :)
2008-04-08T00:31:28 <ThomasWaldmann> pygi: maybe look how other wikis tried to solve it and why that sucks :)
2008-04-08T00:32:21 <pygi> ThomasWaldmann, dont read my application using telepathy!
2008-04-08T00:33:43 <ThomasWaldmann> O-)
2008-04-08T00:38:52 <pygi> ThomasWaldmann, zenhase, xorAxAx : done!
2008-04-08T00:39:08 <zenhase> pygi: i can't read it
2008-04-08T00:39:13 <zenhase> i am a student ;)
2008-04-08T00:39:24 <pygi> zenhase, ah, oki! What did you apply for? :)
2008-04-08T00:39:50 <zenhase> WSGI refactoring and another internas refactoring in the output-layer
2008-04-08T00:40:45 <pygi> nice
2008-04-08T00:40:58 <pygi> as you can see, I wrote a proposal on the sisterwiki
2008-04-08T00:42:01 <pygi> ThomasWaldmann, xorAxAx : feedback ofcourse more then welcome
2008-04-08T00:42:31 <ThomasWaldmann> you did not use the developer application template
2008-04-08T00:42:48 <pygi> ThomasWaldmann, I however did include all the info you needed in there =)
2008-04-08T00:44:10 <ThomasWaldmann> also, it is a bit thin about the project itself
2008-04-08T00:44:25 <pygi> ThomasWaldmann, heh, I know it is
2008-04-08T00:44:36 <pygi> if you ask me questions, I might be able to answer them
2008-04-08T00:44:50 <pygi> but probably not much,because as I said in the application ... not familiar with the codebase and stuff
2008-04-08T00:46:14 <ThomasWaldmann> well, the main question is "how"
2008-04-08T00:51:18 <xorAxAx> 26+1
2008-04-08T00:51:41 <xorAxAx> lets see if we will hit 30 in the next 65 minutes :)
2008-04-08T00:51:42 <pygi> ThomasWaldmann, that's to be decided once research is conducted
2008-04-08T00:54:07 <pygi> xorAxAx, what do you say about the app? xD
2008-04-08T00:54:19 <xorAxAx> pygi: i wont comment before the deadline :)
2008-04-08T00:54:41 <pygi> how rude!
2008-04-08T00:54:54 <xorAxAx> you will still be able to modify your application
2008-04-08T00:55:04 <xorAxAx> if we allow you to
2008-04-08T00:55:09 <pygi> yea, I know
2008-04-08T00:55:14 <pygi> you just have to make public comment
2008-04-08T00:55:21 <pygi> I was both mentor and student already, remember? :)
2008-04-08T00:55:33 <xorAxAx> for which org?
2008-04-08T00:55:48 <pygi> 2006 - mentored three students for ubuntu
2008-04-08T00:55:51 <pygi> 2007 - student for ubuntu
2008-04-08T00:56:05 <zenhase> funny :)
2008-04-08T00:56:18 <zenhase> being mentor first and student afterwards
2008-04-08T00:56:42 <xorAxAx> zenhase: mitsuhiko will probably do so as well :)
2008-04-08T00:56:51 <TheSheep> zenhase: I plan to apply as stuent if/when I'm studying again :)
2008-04-08T00:57:15 <zenhase> hrhr ok :)
2008-04-08T00:57:36 <TheSheep> probably not for MoinMoin though, that would be unfair
2008-04-08T01:00:25 <ThomasWaldmann> everyone is free to develop for moin before doing soc (and after :)
2008-04-08T01:02:01 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: that's the plan, just not during ;)
2008-04-08T01:03:29 <ThomasWaldmann> pygi: that application text could have some $PROJECT placeholders to generate applications rather quick :D
2008-04-08T01:03:45 <zenhase> *g*
2008-04-08T01:04:11 <pygi> hehe
2008-04-08T01:04:13 <zenhase> TheSheep: other python project?
2008-04-08T01:04:32 <TheSheep> zenhase: haven't really decided
2008-04-08T01:04:55 <TheSheep> zenhase: it's sooo much into "maybe", I'm not even sure I'll be studying
2008-04-08T01:05:42 <zenhase> *trying to sound smart* life is study in itself.
2008-04-08T02:39:14 <TheSheep> zenhase: that's exactly why I have the dillema :)
2008-04-08T03:49:15 <gizmach> moin
2008-04-08T06:52:26 <kikka> Morning.
2008-04-08T09:26:04 <dreimark> moin
2008-04-08T09:38:57 <xorAxAx> dreimark: did you read my question?
2008-04-08T09:39:08 <xorAxAx> gah, the google webapp doesnt show who requested mentorship
2008-04-08T09:39:14 <xorAxAx> so you have to explictly write that
2008-04-08T09:46:35 <xorAxAx> "We received more than 7,000 applications, compared with last year's count of 6,179; we look forward to bringing you more updates on applicant demographics over the next few days."
2008-04-08T10:17:01 <grzywacz> oh
2008-04-08T10:17:04 <grzywacz> nice
2008-04-08T10:17:21 <xorAxAx> i.e. it didnt increase a lot
2008-04-08T10:19:01 <grzywacz> Well, I'm not surprised with it not increasing a lot.
2008-04-08T10:20:16 <grzywacz> I'd guess that it's asymptotically approaching the limit of students strongly interested in open source and/or good enough to participate. ;)
2008-04-08T10:20:31 <grzywacz> More like and.
2008-04-08T10:20:58 <xorAxAx> interesting point
2008-04-08T10:21:23 <grzywacz> Like, I poked the ML at my department at least twice about gsoc and I think nobody cared to apply. :P
2008-04-08T10:21:29 <xorAxAx> some small anecdote: somebody sent a mail about SOC to the CS students mailinglist from my uni
2008-04-08T10:21:40 <grzywacz> Hehe.
2008-04-08T10:21:50 <xorAxAx> then i asked the forwarder "do you participate as well? i will be a mentor"
2008-04-08T10:21:58 <grzywacz> lol
2008-04-08T10:22:56 <xorAxAx> he said "i only forwarded this mail about the summerschool, i will not participate. you can ask the guy that informed me, xyz." and the forwarder of this mail was a student who was active in the so called fachschaftsrat, which is the group of students that get elected by CS students
2008-04-08T10:23:22 <xorAxAx> ... or are just interested in helping the CS students (some of them werent elected and are just in that clique volountarily)
2008-04-08T10:23:43 <xorAxAx> so he thought that soc is a summerschool
2008-04-08T10:24:01 <grzywacz> My experience is that those who are elected to do some bureaucratic jobs are usually lousy at science/engineering/whatever.
2008-04-08T10:24:02 <grzywacz> :P
2008-04-08T10:24:36 <xorAxAx> the head of that group is pretty genious (esp. in science)
2008-04-08T10:24:46 <xorAxAx> but most other volounteers are slow students :)
2008-04-08T10:24:56 <grzywacz> Good to know that there are exceptions.
2008-04-08T10:24:57 <grzywacz> Yeah.
2008-04-08T10:25:07 <grzywacz> Most of reasonable students have better things to do.
2008-04-08T10:25:28 <grzywacz> Anyway, I'm off.
2008-04-08T10:25:32 <dreimark> xorAxAx: yes, I do have currently some problems with the mailing list
2008-04-08T10:25:37 <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, I'll try to look at the logging stuff in the evening...
2008-04-08T10:25:54 <xorAxAx> dreimark: ah. she basically said that we should send her shipping info to get a tshirt
2008-04-08T10:25:56 <dreimark> it asks me to change my mail account to the gmail one we used for the project
2008-04-08T10:26:46 <dreimark> xorAxAx: :)
2008-04-08T10:28:32 <dreimark> currently I don't know what happens if I switch my account completly to gmail. (i fear it kicks me)
2008-04-08T10:28:51 <dreimark> so I better add some comments to the applist beforhand.
2008-04-08T10:29:01 <xorAxAx> the bigtable will implode and all people near the DC will die :)
2008-04-08T10:29:18 <xorAxAx> dreimark: well, we can add you afterwards still
2008-04-08T10:29:24 <xorAxAx> doesnt make sense to get into a hurry
2008-04-08T10:37:58 <dreimark> xorAxAx: dsl is broken since friday (some of my friends in the neighbourhood do use internet phones)
2008-04-08T10:38:58 <dreimark> using mobile it cots 1.90Euro/per min to talk to the hotline :(
2008-04-08T10:39:35 <xorAxAx> oh
2008-04-08T10:58:58 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: can you provide an english underlay page bundle too please
2008-04-08T10:59:08 <dreimark> makes it easier from a wiki to update underlay
2008-04-08T11:21:04 <gizmach> re
2008-04-08T11:29:48 <dreimark> hehe, available = wikiLanguages() can be None in wikiutil.get_browser_language
2008-04-08T11:37:52 <zenhase> moin
2008-04-08T12:08:32 <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-04-08T12:08:42 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: what does it make easier?
2008-04-08T12:22:50 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: btw, I guess I have found the reason for the acl misbehaviour
2008-04-08T12:30:29 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: SystemPagesSetup can be used for english too
2008-04-08T12:31:31 <dreimark> btw. I have currently no idea why one of my wikis has got None for wikiLanguages()
2008-04-08T12:31:41 <dreimark> in 1.6.2
2008-04-08T12:33:12 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: yes, but why?
2008-04-08T12:35:09 <dreimark> e.g. if you have missed to copy on one instance the underlay to the instance
2008-04-08T12:37:07 <ThomasWaldmann> then you don't have the SystemPagesSetup either
2008-04-08T12:37:49 <dreimark> you have it on an old one SystemPagesSetup you don't have it on a new one
2008-04-08T12:39:05 <ThomasWaldmann> sorry, I don't get the point
2008-04-08T12:41:52 <dreimark> if an old instance has SystemPagesSetup but some pages are missing then you can install them with the webinterface
2008-04-08T12:43:13 <ThomasWaldmann> but first you must copy the new SystemPagesSetup to the old underlay (and delete the old pages from underlay)
2008-04-08T12:43:31 <ThomasWaldmann> thus, you could also just copy the new underlay completely
2008-04-08T12:45:58 <ThomasWaldmann> (remember, there could also be pages that are present in old underlay, but not in new)
2008-04-08T12:46:07 <dreimark> ok, right
2008-04-08T12:47:31 <dreimark> on the other hand minimal setup could be page SystemPagesSetup and zip files of languages
2008-04-08T12:48:27 <dreimark> and for updating a package zip file for deleting the old content of underlay
2008-04-08T12:48:44 <ThomasWaldmann> the point is that the english pages are use by some other languages (and also as fallback), so there is not much choice to have them installed.
2008-04-08T12:49:55 <dreimark> ok
2008-04-08T12:49:56 <ThomasWaldmann> and making a "deletion" package is not easy, because you don't know from which version the upgrade is done
2008-04-08T12:52:38 <ThomasWaldmann> (at least if it operates on a per page basis, a global deletion could be easy)
2008-04-08T12:53:45 * ThomasWaldmann looks at http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/QuickLinksUseOldsyntax
2008-04-08T13:02:53 <CIA-47> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3491:9fabe3f8a0d8 1.7/MoinMoin/i18n/__init__.py: i18n.__init__.get_browser_language: bug fix if user selected lang is not installed (default languages is None)
2008-04-08T13:12:12 <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: what you are fixing there is a symptom, not the root cause.
2008-04-08T13:13:33 <ThomasWaldmann> languages is None if i18n_init() did not run / went wrong.
2008-04-08T13:15:19 <ThomasWaldmann> (that i18n code needs a redesign, but not now)
2008-04-08T13:30:39 <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: I know but None returning breaks in prefs.py at theuser.real_language = i18n.get_browser_language(self.request)
2008-04-08T13:32:33 <dreimark> line 161
2008-04-08T15:41:08 <kikka> Aloah
2008-04-08T15:56:38 <zenhase> aloah hey
2008-04-08T15:58:03 <kikka> Huhu zenhase!
2008-04-08T16:11:43 <lanius> hi
2008-04-08T16:11:55 <gizmach> moin to all ;)
2008-04-08T16:14:46 <zenhase> moin gizmach
2008-04-08T16:19:34 <dennda> oi
2008-04-08T16:19:39 <dennda> so deadline is over :)
2008-04-08T16:23:21 <johill> dreimark: no, that's true, page trail is saved in the session and your session doesn't change
2008-04-08T16:29:36 <dennda> what's the final application count? :)
2008-04-08T16:30:39 <xorAxAx> 26+1
2008-04-08T16:32:14 <johill> how do we rate? why do we get -1..+4?
2008-04-08T16:32:24 <johill> eh, -2
2008-04-08T16:32:44 <TheSheep> oh wow, hg backend
2008-04-08T16:33:12 <TheSheep> exactly what I've been working on for the last month :)
2008-04-08T16:33:16 <xorAxAx> johill: my plan was to give a point to every non-sense app in the next hours
2008-04-08T16:33:32 <xorAxAx> s/non/non-&/
2008-04-08T16:34:03 * TheSheep applies de Morgan's law
2008-04-08T16:34:28 <johill> ok
2008-04-08T16:34:37 <xorAxAx> TheSheep: its not necessary/applicable here :-p
2008-04-08T16:34:56 <TheSheep> xorAxAx: but it is, you have a big qualifier and a negation :)
2008-04-08T16:35:25 <xorAxAx> TheSheep: na, you seem to model the sentence differently than me :)
2008-04-08T16:35:30 <xorAxAx> but first we should give feedback
2008-04-08T16:35:37 <xorAxAx> ask for code etc.
2008-04-08T16:36:19 <zenhase> :)
2008-04-08T16:39:06 <zenhase> hmm, gsoc applications in general increased from about 6200 to over 7000? and moins from 16 to 26 ... nice quota :)
2008-04-08T17:15:56 <dreimark> johill: yes got to the same conclusion (no bug)
2008-04-08T17:16:29 <xorAxAx> also note that if you want to claim, you should mention that in your comment, mentors
2008-04-08T17:17:27 <dreimark> who was the third one (besides me and johill) ?
2008-04-08T17:19:02 <xorAxAx> dreimark: http://code.google.com/soc/2008/moin/mentors.html doesnt work for you?
2008-04-08T17:20:16 <dreimark> it works but the result is not the supposed one "You are not authorized to view this page."
2008-04-08T17:20:38 <dreimark> bb ~1h
2008-04-08T17:21:07 <xorAxAx> :-)
2008-04-08T17:21:31 <zenhase> yeah, i got the same one ;)
2008-04-08T17:21:45 <xorAxAx> the current set of registered mentors is thomas, me, mitsuhiko, johill, TheSheep, dreimark
2008-04-08T17:22:07 <johill> I also get 'not authorized' unless I follow the link there
2008-04-08T17:22:15 <johill> seems somebody added a referrer check?!
2008-04-08T17:22:49 <xorAxAx> which link?
2008-04-08T17:23:07 <johill> never mind
2008-04-08T17:23:19 <johill> confused /mentors.html with /open.html
2008-04-08T17:23:37 <zenhase> oh
2008-04-08T17:24:24 * zenhase suddenly realizes, that mitsuhiko is not a japanese person but armin ronacher, who also commented on his WSGI proposal
2008-04-08T17:26:29 <mitsuhiko> haha
2008-04-08T17:26:50 <mitsuhiko> zenhase: that nick is pretty cool in #ruby-lang
2008-04-08T17:26:55 <mitsuhiko> everybody thinks i'm a core developer xD
2008-04-08T17:27:02 <xorAxAx> mitsuhiko: thats pretty sad :-(
2008-04-08T17:27:22 <mitsuhiko> xorAxAx: why?
2008-04-08T17:27:28 <xorAxAx> mitsuhiko: not because your nickname conveys a different culture but because the ruby core is mostly sitting in japan
2008-04-08T17:27:33 <mitsuhiko> yes
2008-04-08T17:27:46 <mitsuhiko> xorAxAx: that's why i'm so interested in rubinius
2008-04-08T17:27:50 <zenhase> mitsuhiko: hahaha
2008-04-08T17:27:59 <xorAxAx> mitsuhiko: or any other of the 10 ruby projects :)
2008-04-08T17:28:05 <xorAxAx> btw, there is a new python-to-c compiler
2008-04-08T17:28:10 <zenhase> hmm
2008-04-08T17:28:11 <mitsuhiko> xorAxAx: no, just rubinius
2008-04-08T17:28:21 <xorAxAx> mitsuhiko: why not jruby? :)
2008-04-08T17:28:24 <zenhase> mitsuhiko: you mean because it was started by westerners?
2008-04-08T17:29:12 <mitsuhiko> zenhase: no, because it's an interesting project and doesn't look as impossible as pypy
2008-04-08T17:29:29 <xorAxAx> zenhase: the person or group or started something is irrelevant to me, but the group still seems to be pretty steeped in people mostly speaking japanese
2008-04-08T17:29:38 <zenhase> mitsuhiko: it looks quite promising already
2008-04-08T17:29:39 <xorAxAx> mitsuhiko: whats impossible about pypy? :)
2008-04-08T17:29:55 <xorAxAx> zenhase: it rocks that they wrote unittests. it sucks that nobody else did before them :)
2008-04-08T17:30:35 <zenhase> xorAxAx: hrhr :)
2008-04-08T17:30:48 <mitsuhiko> xorAxAx: pypy has a shitload of code not relevant to the average python programmer but you can't use c extensions and it's slow
2008-04-08T17:31:27 <zenhase> well, rubinius isn't quite the speed-monster right now either, is it?
2008-04-08T17:31:52 <xorAxAx> pypy is nearly as fast as cpython
2008-04-08T17:32:17 <xorAxAx> there is still a long list of things to tweak to be as fast as cpython
2008-04-08T17:32:38 <xorAxAx> e.g. calls are much slower than cpython while other things are only 20% slower
2008-04-08T17:37:03 * johill wonders about "nearly as fast" vs. "only 20% slower"
2008-04-08T17:37:53 <xorAxAx> johill: well, if you are used to "60 times slower" its quite an achievement :-)
2008-04-08T17:38:48 <johill> heh, true
2008-04-08T17:42:36 <xorAxAx> 17:38:22 * lh wishes she had more cash for this here soc thing
2008-04-08T18:55:56 <dreimark> xorAxAx: that means probably the same quota
2008-04-08T18:56:38 <xorAxAx> dreimark: well, more money than the money she gets this year which is more than last year :)
2008-04-08T18:57:19 <xorAxAx> we should talk tonight about the amount of slots we wish
2008-04-08T18:57:34 <xorAxAx> she said thats the deadline for the first round of allocations
2008-04-08T19:04:51 <dennda> How many you *wish*?
2008-04-08T19:05:06 <dennda> You have an influence there?
2008-04-08T19:05:13 <xorAxAx> sure
2008-04-08T19:05:32 <xorAxAx> they have some figure, then we have our wish and then they try to converge them
2008-04-08T19:05:49 <xorAxAx> in most cases, they are lucky if the wish is lower than the figure google made up
2008-04-08T19:05:58 <xorAxAx> they as in google
2008-04-08T19:08:42 <dennda> sure
2008-04-08T19:08:54 <dennda> well, you know what to do then :)
2008-04-08T19:31:23 <zenhase> 26 slots :P
2008-04-08T19:31:40 <ThomasWaldmann> definitely not :P
2008-04-08T19:31:53 <zenhase> would be quite a lot of work for the mentors ;)
2008-04-08T19:33:01 <ThomasWaldmann> better a few projects well done
2008-04-08T19:35:01 <gizmach> zenhase: but I think some people wrote 2 or more applications so it's a bit less then 26
2008-04-08T19:36:17 <TheSheep> I'm not experienced in it, but I fugure that 2 projects per mentor is a lot already
2008-04-08T19:36:30 <zenhase> gizmach: oh you are right
2008-04-08T19:36:37 <zenhase> gizmach: i myself did so :o
2008-04-08T19:36:43 <gizmach> zenhase: ;)
2008-04-08T20:02:16 <dennda> i filed 2, too
2008-04-08T20:02:26 <dennda> So it's already -3
2008-04-08T20:06:48 <dreimark> bbl hopefully they have fixed the dsl
2008-04-08T20:07:06 <zenhase> gl dreimark
2008-04-08T20:07:08 <dreimark> otherwise I'll be back tomorrow
2008-04-08T20:10:01 <gizmach> dreimark: :((
2008-04-08T20:58:41 * ThomasWaldmann does some scoring
2008-04-08T21:32:05 * gizmach gets excited every time she gets google soc mail,it's even better than google notification sms from google calendar
2008-04-08T21:33:38 <dennda> I didn't receive one lately
2008-04-08T21:33:50 <xorAxAx> you will in the next days :)
2008-04-08T21:34:02 <dennda> Not knowing if this is good or bad :)
2008-04-08T21:34:11 <gizmach> well I din't recieve it for days
2008-04-08T21:34:22 <dennda> xorAxAx: I'm sure of it
2008-04-08T21:34:31 <gizmach> I was feeling really poor
2008-04-08T21:34:36 <gizmach> just kidding
2008-04-08T21:34:57 <gizmach> it was a bit sarcasam in all my sentences somehow
2008-04-08T21:36:23 * gizmach has week of stupid exams so everything is more exciting than learning for them
2008-04-08T21:42:59 <TheSheep> gizmach: oh, look! a white wall!
2008-04-08T21:43:06 <TheSheep> le'ts stare!
2008-04-08T21:45:07 <gizmach> TheSheep: uuuuuuups :)
2008-04-08T21:45:46 <TheSheep> shh, I'm busy staring at the wall
2008-04-08T21:45:55 <gizmach> TheSheep: It's not polite
2008-04-08T21:46:00 <gizmach> to stare
2008-04-08T21:46:05 <gizmach> :D
2008-04-08T21:46:38 <TheSheep> the wall doesn't mind
2008-04-08T21:47:43 <gizmach> TheSheep: blah,you are probbably right,...
2008-04-08T21:47:51 <xorAxAx> in germany there is "bernd das brot" who loves to stare at walls
2008-04-08T21:47:59 <xorAxAx> google for him
2008-04-08T21:48:03 <xorAxAx> (image search)
2008-04-08T21:48:22 <gizmach> xorAxAx: I have a friend that likes to stare at walls :)
2008-04-08T21:48:28 <gizmach> but let's see
2008-04-08T21:48:39 <TheSheep> xorAxAx: Bern the Bread?
2008-04-08T21:49:09 <xorAxAx> TheSheep: bernd the bread
2008-04-08T21:49:28 <xorAxAx> http://images.google.li/images?client=opera&rls=en&q=bernd+das+brot&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
2008-04-08T21:49:35 * TheSheep reads about the google web app engine
2008-04-08T21:49:59 <gizmach> xorAxAx: it's a cartoon character
2008-04-08T21:50:05 <gizmach> but looks so cute
2008-04-08T21:50:08 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: CGI! :P
2008-04-08T21:50:14 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: yeah
2008-04-08T21:50:25 <TheSheep> xorAxAx: looks a little like SPongebob Squarepants
2008-04-08T21:50:29 <xorAxAx> gizmach: nah, its not a cartoon but a puppet show
2008-04-08T21:50:48 <xorAxAx> i am too old for cartoons, i prefer puppet shows
2008-04-08T21:50:56 <gizmach> xorAxAx: do you have toys of him to buy
2008-04-08T21:51:07 <xorAxAx> gizmach: no, i dont have any bernd here
2008-04-08T21:54:47 <kikka> gn
2008-04-08T21:54:54 <gizmach> kikka: sleep well
2008-04-08T22:13:38 <xorAxAx> grzywacz: stpeter writes "In past years we (the XMPP Standards Foundation) have employed one list of people to choose the student projects, and then we have assigned final mentors (depending on which projects were selected). However, the new "ban mentors" feature seems to imply that the org admin can't reject someone as a (potential) mentor and then assign them later. Is that true?"
2008-04-08T22:13:47 <xorAxAx> grzywacz: weird closed process. is xmpp always like that? :)
2008-04-08T22:26:41 <xorAxAx> 22:26:16 <@tlarsen> xorAxAx: We actually wrote a MoinMoin parser for the Google Code project wiki.
2008-04-08T22:26:52 <xorAxAx> google is using moin :)
2008-04-08T22:30:45 <xorAxAx> TheSheep: http://moinmo.in/RadomirDopieralski/SimpleParser contains an unreachability notice
2008-04-08T22:36:58 <TheSheep> xorAxAx: even worse, the cd with backup is burried under heaps of old bills and magazines
2008-04-08T22:37:20 <TheSheep> xorAxAx: I'm working on it since some time ;)
2008-04-08T22:37:31 <xorAxAx> eheh
2008-04-08T22:39:36 <grzywacz> xorAxAx, what about xmpp?
2008-04-08T22:41:05 <xorAxAx> grzywacz: hmm, whats unclear?
2008-04-08T22:41:12 <xorAxAx> grzywacz: this two-phase process sounds weird
2008-04-08T22:42:11 <grzywacz> xorAxAx, I have no opinion :-)
2008-04-08T22:42:23 <grzywacz> I've never had to choose from students' projects. ;)
2008-04-08T22:49:19 <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: you are mentoring for xmpp?
2008-04-08T22:49:38 <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, no?
2008-04-08T22:49:43 <TheSheep> xorAxAx: wanna play 'spot the cd'? http://atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl/~sheep/room.jpg
2008-04-08T22:50:06 <grzywacz> TheSheep, I can always gimp one. :P
2008-04-08T22:50:29 * ThomasWaldmann thought so.
2008-04-08T22:50:39 <xorAxAx> TheSheep: hehe
2008-04-08T22:51:27 <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: spotting a file server would be easier :P
2008-04-08T22:52:00 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: they make them small today, smaller than cd
2008-04-08T22:52:14 <grzywacz> Yeah, gp2x fileserver... ;>
2008-04-08T22:52:36 <TheSheep> grzywacz: with wifi and battery you can search for them until the cows come home
2008-04-08T22:52:55 <grzywacz> TheSheep, that reminds me of bash.org :P
2008-04-08T22:53:03 <TheSheep> hmm.... I jus had an idea
2008-04-08T22:53:33 <TheSheep> a distributed p2p wiki served from such devices scattered all over the city in zones with public wifi access...
2008-04-08T22:53:45 <TheSheep> unstoppable
2008-04-08T22:53:49 <vpv> http://gumstix.com/products.html :)
2008-04-08T22:54:09 <grzywacz> TheSheep, pretty much stoppable, see Szczecin today
2008-04-08T22:54:16 <grzywacz> I've seen trains delayed up to 320 minutes.
2008-04-08T22:54:22 <TheSheep> grzywacz: ?
2008-04-08T22:54:25 <grzywacz> Previous ones must have been canceled, I guess. :P
2008-04-08T22:54:33 <grzywacz> TheSheep, there was a small disaster there today :P
2008-04-08T22:54:41 <TheSheep> grzywacz: I'm not up to date
2008-04-08T22:55:18 <grzywacz> TheSheep, two main power lines providing the city with electricity were seriously damaged
2008-04-08T22:55:29 <grzywacz> They had no power starting last night.
2008-04-08T22:55:39 <grzywacz> Probably still fixing stuff :P
2008-04-08T22:55:53 <TheSheep> grzywacz: the idea is to scatter them all over the world
2008-04-08T22:56:14 <TheSheep> grzywacz: in places where net security is poor
2008-04-08T22:57:02 <TheSheep> grzywacz: sure, you can take out whole city and that will maybe shut down a hundred of them
2008-04-08T22:57:51 <grzywacz> Well, scale the case.
2008-04-08T22:57:53 <grzywacz> You can take out the whole planet as well!
2008-04-08T22:58:06 * grzywacz stops the sci-fi dreams
2008-04-08T22:58:35 <TheSheep> grzywacz: well, use micro-ansibl transmitters and scatter it all over the galaxy...
2008-04-08T22:58:48 <TheSheep> or as fake pulsars ;)
2008-04-08T23:00:15 <grzywacz> TheSheep, old but relevant: http://bash.org/?5273
2008-04-08T23:00:17 <grzywacz> :P
2008-04-08T23:03:19 <TheSheep> grzywacz: hmm... I could run a wiki on one of those netsticks
2008-04-08T23:04:06 <TheSheep> shame they don't have more memory
2008-04-08T23:08:23 * ThomasWaldmann put "8" into the field of requested project grants (just to have some != 0 there for now)
2008-04-08T23:08:24 <TheSheep> wonder if they run python
2008-04-08T23:09:16 <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: sounds about right
2008-04-08T23:09:31 * ThomasWaldmann .oO(mentor_count + students_with_moin_experience)
2008-04-08T23:09:56 <grzywacz> -_-;
2008-04-08T23:10:22 <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: What do you consider "moin experience"? :)
2008-04-08T23:11:23 <ThomasWaldmann> people that already contributed code to moin
2008-04-08T23:11:51 <dennda> are there that many applications from people who already contributed code?
2008-04-08T23:12:17 <ThomasWaldmann> 6 mentors + 2 students (AFAIK)
2008-04-08T23:12:29 <dennda> zenhase, who else?
2008-04-08T23:12:35 <waldi> only 2?
2008-04-08T23:12:45 <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: waldi :)
2008-04-08T23:12:49 <dennda> ah ok
2008-04-08T23:13:14 <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: Remember how many you requested last year?
2008-04-08T23:13:17 <ThomasWaldmann> waldi: maybe a few more, but not many more
2008-04-08T23:13:46 <xorAxAx> we requested 5 IIRC
2008-04-08T23:13:53 <dennda> and got four
2008-04-08T23:13:54 <dennda> fair deal
2008-04-08T23:14:06 <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: no, but I think it was about 1.5..2 x mentor count
2008-04-08T23:14:56 <dennda> ok, we'll see and hope the best
2008-04-08T23:17:51 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: i think we requested more, then had 5 and finally had 4
2008-04-08T23:17:57 <xorAxAx> hmm, possible
2008-04-08T23:18:02 <xorAxAx> we could check the logs :)
2008-04-08T23:18:13 <dennda> have fun doing that
2008-04-08T23:19:29 <grzywacz> xorAxAx, http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/03/05/simplicity/
2008-04-08T23:21:42 <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: do we have 8 good students? i didnt check the list yet (still buried with uni work)
2008-04-08T23:22:00 <xorAxAx> would be a bit bad if they gave us 8 slots and there were only 6 good ones :)
2008-04-08T23:22:11 <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: most mentors didn't finish scoring yet
2008-04-08T23:22:25 <xorAxAx> yes, i didnt even start
2008-04-08T23:22:31 <ThomasWaldmann> also, we should not expect to exactly get what we request
2008-04-08T23:22:41 <xorAxAx> but it could happen :-)
2008-04-08T23:22:46 <xorAxAx> nevertheless counting doesnt help
2008-04-08T23:22:50 <xorAxAx> s/doesnt/does/
2008-04-08T23:22:52 * xorAxAx tries to count
2008-04-08T23:23:01 <ThomasWaldmann> we have some high profile mentors and students :)
2008-04-08T23:24:02 <zenhase> re
2008-04-08T23:24:40 <dennda> xorAxAx: if moin gets too many slots, pypy still owes you one, don't they? :)
2008-04-08T23:24:51 <xorAxAx> i guess we could find 8 students, indeed
2008-04-08T23:25:15 <xorAxAx> dennda: they only owe us a student, not a slot :)
2008-04-08T23:25:29 <xorAxAx> jakub applied again this year
2008-04-08T23:25:35 <xorAxAx> and i know that he applied again for pypy :)
2008-04-08T23:25:43 <xorAxAx> and i know that the psf dislikes his application :)
2008-04-08T23:25:55 <dennda> xorAxAx: yes. that's what I was saying. if there are more slots than students, take one from pypy :)
2008-04-08T23:25:59 <xorAxAx> and i assume that pypy will agree to the psf's opinion in disliking it :-)
2008-04-08T23:26:06 <xorAxAx> dennda: hehe
2008-04-08T23:26:52 <dennda> my not be the best motivated student, then
2008-04-08T23:26:57 <zenhase> climbing soothes the brain
2008-04-08T23:27:11 <dennda> s/my/although that may/
2008-04-08T23:27:13 * ThomasWaldmann only scored the important core refactoring projects yet
2008-04-08T23:27:18 <dennda> irssi screws up quite often today
2008-04-08T23:27:19 <xorAxAx> i guess i should try climbing as well
2008-04-08T23:27:22 * zenhase hovers
2008-04-08T23:27:39 <zenhase> xorAxAx: yeah, try it. it really helps getting a free mind
2008-04-08T23:27:42 <waldi> xorAxAx: why does psf dislikes his application? (which application?)
2008-04-08T23:27:44 <dennda> yes, I want to try it as well
2008-04-08T23:27:55 <xorAxAx> waldi: its about extending the scheme interpreter thats shipped with pypy
2008-04-08T23:28:02 <xorAxAx> he wrote it in last years soc
2008-04-08T23:28:12 <zenhase> o_O
2008-04-08T23:28:16 <dennda> I actually found a climbing facility close to my location. Unfortunately the page stated: "1 Stunde, 3,5DM"
2008-04-08T23:28:17 <xorAxAx> :-)
2008-04-08T23:28:27 <zenhase> scheme interpreter? does not sound very pythonic :)
2008-04-08T23:28:30 <waldi> xorAxAx: a scheme interpreter? *prust*
2008-04-08T23:28:31 <dennda> sounds quite..... not up to date
2008-04-08T23:28:34 <xorAxAx> zenhase: its written in rpython
2008-04-08T23:28:42 <zenhase> dennda: also it sounds expensive
2008-04-08T23:28:42 <waldi> ui
2008-04-08T23:28:45 <xorAxAx> so it is, implementation-wise
2008-04-08T23:29:00 <dennda> zenhase: cannot recall the exact price. is that too expensive?
2008-04-08T23:29:11 <waldi> xorAxAx: you can compile it into javascript?
2008-04-08T23:29:22 <xorAxAx> waldi: sure
2008-04-08T23:29:35 <zenhase> dennda: here, without any discount like student or member of the DAV you have 7eu ... for a whole day
2008-04-08T23:29:42 <waldi> xorAxAx: thats funny
2008-04-08T23:30:06 <xorAxAx> so you could write browser applications in scheme
2008-04-08T23:30:16 <zenhase> dennda: you can basically come at 1000 and stay until 2300
2008-04-08T23:30:16 <xorAxAx> thanks to pypy
2008-04-08T23:30:36 <dennda> zenhase: does anybody do that? quite a long period of time
2008-04-08T23:30:39 <zenhase> dennda: tho i suppose this would ... erm ... leave you exhausted
2008-04-08T23:30:48 <dennda> yeah
2008-04-08T23:30:54 <zenhase> dennda: no, friend of mine did 1700 to 2300 today
2008-04-08T23:31:01 <xorAxAx> wow, hard
2008-04-08T23:31:02 <zenhase> he was totally wasted in the end
2008-04-08T23:31:02 <dennda> how long is one of your sessions?
2008-04-08T23:31:12 <xorAxAx> thats like running a marathon on your arms
2008-04-08T23:31:16 <xorAxAx> umm, hands
2008-04-08T23:31:23 <zenhase> i am a beginner, i usually go from 1930 to 2300
2008-04-08T23:31:30 <zenhase> and i don't climb all the time
2008-04-08T23:31:33 <xorAxAx> thats still a lot :)
2008-04-08T23:31:50 <zenhase> i think i climb perhaps 1h30
2008-04-08T23:31:56 <dennda> heh some day we'll have a #moin-dev climbing event
2008-04-08T23:31:59 <zenhase> the rest is talking about technique
2008-04-08T23:32:21 <zenhase> or doing some simple excercises in the boulder room
2008-04-08T23:33:05 <grzywacz> Stupid as it may seem, I've just figured out why my gentoo apparently kept messing my clock settings. ;)
2008-04-08T23:33:18 <zenhase> dennda: yeah, we climb mt. LAMP and replace the mediawiki-flag on top with a moin-flag
2008-04-08T23:33:20 <dennda> bios battery out of power?
2008-04-08T23:33:26 <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: adjtime?
2008-04-08T23:33:29 <grzywacz> Somehow it failed to set TZ properly while the clock was set to UTC. :P
2008-04-08T23:33:42 <grzywacz> Even though zoneinfo is/was configured ok.
2008-04-08T23:33:44 <grzywacz> O_o
2008-04-08T23:33:44 <dennda> zenhase: you'd need to swap the P's then
2008-04-08T23:33:52 <dennda> without anybody noticing
2008-04-08T23:34:12 <zenhase> dennda: yeah, the python-P would be a longer one, with a small tongue sticking out
2008-04-08T23:34:27 <dennda> heh
2008-04-08T23:35:14 <dennda> actually I had two people in #ubuntu-de today saying "phyton" instead of "python"... quite confusing, especially because both are snakes
2008-04-08T23:35:23 <dennda> (I know that python derives from monty python)
2008-04-08T23:36:09 <TheSheep> hmm?
2008-04-08T23:36:12 <TheSheep> Phyton \Phy"ton\, n.; pl. {Phytons}. [NL., fr. Gr. ? plant.]
2008-04-08T23:36:12 <TheSheep> (Bot.)
2008-04-08T23:36:12 <TheSheep> One of the parts which by their repetition make up a
2008-04-08T23:36:12 <TheSheep> flowering plant, each being a single joint of a stem with its
2008-04-08T23:36:14 <TheSheep> leaf or leaves; a phytomer.
2008-04-08T23:36:40 <xorAxAx> zenhase: hehe, CTF
2008-04-08T23:36:53 <xorAxAx> zenhase: so, are you talking to your mates about technique?
2008-04-08T23:37:20 <xorAxAx> zenhase: or some instructor?
2008-04-08T23:38:40 <dennda> TheSheep: I am quite sure there are "Phyton"-snakes
2008-04-08T23:38:44 <dennda> (wuergeschlangen)
2008-04-08T23:39:23 * TheSheep check wikipedia
2008-04-08T23:39:32 <zenhase> xorAxAx: i have no instructor ... my friend who brought me is my instructor
2008-04-08T23:39:36 <dennda> TheSheep: check google images
2008-04-08T23:39:39 <zenhase> xorAxAx: and the new friends i made there
2008-04-08T23:39:54 <dennda> by the way, most of the hits you get when searching for "phyton" are python programming links
2008-04-08T23:40:14 <dennda> zenhase: still as many geeks as when you started?
2008-04-08T23:40:15 <zenhase> phyton = a shy photon
2008-04-08T23:40:24 <zenhase> dennda: yeah, i am ever surprised
2008-04-08T23:40:30 <dennda> zenhase: that one was bad
2008-04-08T23:40:32 <dennda> :)
2008-04-08T23:40:39 <zenhase> dennda: today i secured a small girl
2008-04-08T23:40:49 <zenhase> dennda: figures she is a software developer for siemens :o
2008-04-08T23:40:58 <dennda> small in size or in age?
2008-04-08T23:41:04 <zenhase> erm size
2008-04-08T23:41:11 <dennda> ok, good
2008-04-08T23:41:20 <dennda> would've made me wonder
2008-04-08T23:41:26 <zenhase> but you would also think she is much younger
2008-04-08T23:41:46 <zenhase> but then ... perhaps she is, not everybody in software development had to go to university
2008-04-08T23:42:09 <zenhase> but let's say, i didn't expect her to be a geek too
2008-04-08T23:42:20 <dennda> maybe she isn't
2008-04-08T23:42:22 <TheSheep> dennda: I'm afraid that's just a typo
2008-04-08T23:42:25 <zenhase> it MUST be some karlsruhe thing
2008-04-08T23:42:27 <xorAxAx> you didnt talk to her? :)
2008-04-08T23:42:44 <zenhase> xorAxAx: we talked, but most of the time about climbing ;)
2008-04-08T23:42:53 <dennda> TheSheep: I'm not that sure about it
2008-04-08T23:43:02 <zenhase> xorAxAx: so i did figure out rather late about her working for siemens
2008-04-08T23:43:09 <xorAxAx> zenhase: ah
2008-04-08T23:43:14 <dennda> next time ask her what her favorite assembly platform is
2008-04-08T23:43:32 <xorAxAx> you mean processor architecture?
2008-04-08T23:43:32 <zenhase> hmm
2008-04-08T23:43:32 <dennda> that'll tell you
2008-04-08T23:43:37 <dennda> yes
2008-04-08T23:43:43 <dennda> mips or similar
2008-04-08T23:43:46 <zenhase> i think i would never ask such a question
2008-04-08T23:43:51 <dennda> that's probably the better word
2008-04-08T23:43:57 <zenhase> since i for myself could not give an answer
2008-04-08T23:44:06 <dennda> mips, of course ;)
2008-04-08T23:44:09 <zenhase> well no
2008-04-08T23:44:10 <TheSheep> zenhase: at least not on first date ;)
2008-04-08T23:44:12 <xorAxAx> maybe she will answer "picoblaze"
2008-04-08T23:44:14 <zenhase> close perhaps
2008-04-08T23:44:26 <zenhase> i think it's RISC in general
2008-04-08T23:44:35 <zenhase> just like with programming languages
2008-04-08T23:44:36 * TheSheep likes z80
2008-04-08T23:44:44 <zenhase> no super favourite one MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-04-08 (last edited 2008-04-07 22:15:02 by IrcLogImporter)
