MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-04-05

2008-04-05T00:01:11  <xorAxAx> lol
2008-04-05T00:02:41  <zenhase> hrhr
2008-04-05T00:03:03  <xorAxAx> johill: i am feeling itchy
2008-04-05T00:03:41  <johill> itching to do what?
2008-04-05T00:04:05  <xorAxAx> well, to scratch myself :-)
2008-04-05T00:09:58  <ThomasWaldmann> most medicine is not debugging, but a workaround
2008-04-05T00:10:46  <johill> heh yeah
2008-04-05T00:13:09  <xorAxAx> esp. vitamin C :)
2008-04-05T00:14:25  <waldi> the vitamins B, A, S and F
2008-04-05T00:15:33  <zenhase> medicine is like "try: ... except E1, E2, E3, E4, Esomething: pass" ;P
2008-04-05T00:15:46  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: no, that's fuel for the builtin debugger :)
2008-04-05T00:15:59  <zenhase> waldi: :P
2008-04-05T00:16:21  <zenhase> waldi: don't forget Y, E and R
2008-04-05T00:16:57  <johill> bah. the decent companies are called Novartis or Aventis these days ;)
2008-04-05T00:18:23  <zenhase> hmm
2008-04-05T00:18:32  <xorAxAx> or dow chemical
2008-04-05T00:18:34  <zenhase> http://www.nextwaveperformance.com/404 wow ... best 404 ever
2008-04-05T05:24:54  *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ
2008-04-05T07:35:59  <gizmach> moin
2008-04-05T08:55:24  <dreimark> moin
2008-04-05T08:55:29  <dreimark> hi gizmach
2008-04-05T08:56:50  <dreimark> how was your exam?
2008-04-05T09:08:51  <gizmach> dreimark: I had missunderstanding about the date so I didn't go. But I have another one on friday and this week I have laboratory works from almostly all my subjects
2008-04-05T09:09:00  <gizmach> I taught 3.4 is friday
2008-04-05T09:09:21  <gizmach> dreimark: how are you?
2008-04-05T09:10:03  <dreimark> quite well should have slept longer :)
2008-04-05T09:11:11  <gizmach> heheh I got up early cause I plan to cook something later ant to bake cookies :)))
2008-04-05T09:24:51  <dreimark> chocolate cookies or what other flavour ?
2008-04-05T09:24:59  <dreimark> moin starshine
2008-04-05T09:26:33  <gizmach> dreimark: chocolate with orange jelly
2008-04-05T09:29:45  <dreimark> delicious
2008-04-05T09:32:43  <gizmach> I like sweets and all cookies
2008-04-05T09:34:28  <gizmach> dreimark: u live with your parents or on your own?
2008-04-05T09:37:35  <starshine> moin
2008-04-05T09:37:35  <starshine> I can do moin linuxcookies this year, but it's a little early to be planning them quite yet?
2008-04-05T09:37:41  <dreimark> gizmach: see query
2008-04-05T09:38:06  <gizmach> starshine: moin
2008-04-05T09:38:23  <gizmach> dreimark: ?
2008-04-05T09:40:07  <starshine> gizmach: there will be a private message window somewhere on your client..
2008-04-05T09:40:49  <starshine> if I were to really try for overkill I should do star-moin image as the cookies
2008-04-05T09:40:55  <gizmach> starshine: I found it
2008-04-05T09:40:59  <starshine> but the plain moin logo would be a lot easier
2008-04-05T09:41:08  <gizmach> starshine: I'm still bit sleepy
2008-04-05T09:41:20  <starshine> gizmach: heh, I'm at the end of my day
2008-04-05T09:41:45  <gizmach> starshine: ah :)
2008-04-05T09:42:09  <starshine> and a hackers-extended-lifetime of a day at that
2008-04-05T09:42:27  <starshine> many people in my timezone are long since asleep already.
2008-04-05T09:42:49  <dreimark> starshine: I got fixed yesterday that quite annoying (page)hits bug
2008-04-05T09:42:59  <starshine> dreimark: oooooh
2008-04-05T09:43:08  * starshine DCCs dreimark cookies :)
2008-04-05T09:43:46  <dreimark> lekker
2008-04-05T09:44:14  <starshine> ?
2008-04-05T09:44:44  <starshine> .o( is that German for yummy?
2008-04-05T09:44:45  <gizmach> starshine: what's ur timezone?
2008-04-05T09:44:45  <dreimark> tasty (leo was telling lekker the same meaning for tasty)
2008-04-05T09:44:55  <starshine> ha I win :) :)
2008-04-05T09:45:47  <dreimark> yes, in german  it is "lecker" written
2008-04-05T09:46:03  <starshine> root of 'to like' possibly.
2008-04-05T09:47:08  <starshine> gizmach: pacific
2008-04-05T09:49:58  <dreimark> lets see if we become invited again to googleplex this year
2008-04-05T09:50:36  <gizmach> starshine: woho nice
2008-04-05T09:50:37  <gizmach> :)
2008-04-05T09:56:17  <starshine> dreimark: that'd rock
2008-04-05T09:56:29  <starshine> next time we should get pics next to the tyrannosaurus rex :)
2008-04-05T09:57:00  * gizmach went for some groceries
2008-04-05T09:58:07  <dreimark> starshine: yeah
2008-04-05T09:58:21  * dreimark breakfast
2008-04-05T10:20:01  <waldi> moin
2008-04-05T10:29:04  <gizmach> waldi: moin
2008-04-05T10:29:05  <gizmach> re
2008-04-05T11:16:42  <zenhase> moin
2008-04-05T11:20:36  <gizmach> zenhase: :) moin
2008-04-05T11:25:28  <gizmach> zenhase: I couldn't find that chocolate chips in my store
2008-04-05T11:26:56  <zenhase> :/
2008-04-05T11:27:14  <zenhase> perhaps more of a german product
2008-04-05T11:28:01  <zenhase> it's really kind of strange how those big corps market products like these in different countries
2008-04-05T11:28:40  <zenhase> dunno how many decades it took coca cola to bring vanilla coke to germany
2008-04-05T11:44:53  <gizmach> zenhase: vanilla coke? I must live in an isolation
2008-04-05T11:45:14  <gizmach> I know for coke and only coke - zero shugar, normal, diet and thats it
2008-04-05T11:54:01  <zenhase> there is a product called vanilla coke
2008-04-05T11:54:14  <zenhase> and it's exactly what the name suggest
2008-04-05T11:54:23  <kikka> Moin.
2008-04-05T11:54:31  <zenhase> a normal coke with some vanilla flavour added
2008-04-05T11:54:46  <zenhase> there is also something called cherry coke
2008-04-05T11:55:02  <zenhase> i think it's a real bad attempt at competing with dr. pepper cola
2008-04-05T11:56:44  <zenhase> and no, gizmach, you do not live in an isolation ... just because coca cola doesn't provide your country with it's full lineup of products
2008-04-05T11:56:55  <CIA-38> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3470:e69146342ed8 1.7/MoinMoin/action/diff.py: action.diff: respects revert right for showing revert button
2008-04-05T11:56:56  <CIA-38> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3471:a98d9f52813e 1.7/MoinMoin/action/diff.py: action.diff: disabled revert on current page
2008-04-05T11:57:00  <CIA-38> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3472:4abf8492a665 1.7/MoinMoin/theme/__init__.py: theme.__init__:revert action enabled only if user can revert
2008-04-05T11:57:01  <CIA-38> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3473:59a4005672d3 1.7/MoinMoin/theme/__init__.py: theme.__init__: action enabled dependent of rights
2008-04-05T11:57:24  <xorAxAx> zenhase: exactly :)
2008-04-05T11:57:31  <dreimark> hi xorAxAx
2008-04-05T11:57:31  <zenhase> almost all non-american countries are in some way deprived of those products ;)
2008-04-05T11:57:40  <xorAxAx> hi reimar
2008-04-05T11:57:44  <dreimark> can you please check http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.7/annotate/94a6f5fbf8b7/MoinMoin/action/PackagePages.py
2008-04-05T11:57:50  <dreimark> def makeform(self, error=""):
2008-04-05T11:57:58  <zenhase> i had the same experience with McDonalds and Burger King
2008-04-05T11:58:12  <dreimark> it seems to show always an error
2008-04-05T11:58:15  <dreimark> icon
2008-04-05T12:00:15  <dreimark> bbl shopping
2008-04-05T12:02:40  <gizmach> zenhase: we don't have dr pepper
2008-04-05T12:02:53  <gizmach> xorAxAx: hi:=
2008-04-05T12:07:49  <xorAxAx> hi melita
2008-04-05T12:11:28  <gizmach> xorAxAx: nice to read my name from time to time :D
2008-04-05T12:13:53  <xorAxAx> hehe
2008-04-05T13:48:13  <dreimark> re
2008-04-05T13:55:54  * dreimark wonders about "You need you to decide " ...
2008-04-05T13:56:12  <dreimark> and then I am not able to add the second adress they use now for me
2008-04-05T13:56:27  <dreimark> " Sie können Ihrem Google-Konto keine Google Mail-Adresse zuordnen."
2008-04-05T14:11:42  <gizmach> dreimark: What?
2008-04-05T14:12:39  <dreimark> gizmach: seems I have now two valid mial adresses for one account and I should choose one
2008-04-05T14:15:01  <dreimark> that is quite the same problem we have had on the mentor submission page
2008-04-05T14:17:36  <gizmach> ah I see
2008-04-05T14:18:29  * dreimark is not sure what happens to his account if he selects now something
2008-04-05T14:26:06  <zenhase> hmm
2008-04-05T14:26:22  <zenhase> it's been a long time since i considered buying a commercial software product o_O
2008-04-05T14:26:25  <johill> it'll be deleted and you'll be banned for life
2008-04-05T14:26:25  <johill> :P
2008-04-05T14:27:17  <zenhase> http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnifocus/ ... 50$ for students :o
2008-04-05T15:07:06  *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ
2008-04-05T16:11:29  <ThomasWaldmann> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muaAZE0M3LU
2008-04-05T16:13:47  <gizmach> ThomasWaldmann: LOL :)
2008-04-05T16:24:06  * gizmach off until sunday evening,.. have a nice weekend all
2008-04-05T16:24:15  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, did someone test http auth in 1.7
2008-04-05T16:24:25  <ThomasWaldmann> gizmach: have a nice one, too :)
2008-04-05T16:24:53  <ThomasWaldmann> (or rather the session part of it)
2008-04-05T16:32:27  * ThomasWaldmann will commit the ldap auth patch soon
2008-04-05T17:08:43  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: ImportError: cannot import name moin_login
2008-04-05T17:11:10  <dreimark> ah seems to be renamed
2008-04-05T17:18:27  <dreimark> have configured auth = [MoinLogin(),  HTTPAuth()]
2008-04-05T17:24:51  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: johill what is the replacement for moin_session, moin_anon_session ?
2008-04-05T17:40:28  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: the session stuff is builtin now
2008-04-05T17:44:40  <CIA-38> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3474:b485c2b6b2b9 1.7/MoinMoin/action/PackagePages.py: MoinMoin.action.PackagePages: shows only class error on error
2008-04-05T17:45:00  <CIA-38> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3475:44a2f2f0d755 1.7/MoinMoin/action/PackagePages.py: MoinMoin.action.PackagePages: fixed doc string
2008-04-05T17:45:01  <dreimark> ah ok
2008-04-05T17:45:29  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: HTTPAuth() seems to work for me
2008-04-05T17:48:31  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: the session stays?
2008-04-05T17:50:02  <ThomasWaldmann> (can you try with just [HTTPAuth()] ?)
2008-04-05T17:51:23  <dreimark> yes
2008-04-05T17:52:38  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: server restart and still only one session file
2008-04-05T17:54:31  <dreimark> different browser gives a new session
2008-04-05T17:54:48  <dreimark> browser restart uses the old session
2008-04-05T17:57:25  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: then you can remove the last forward port changeset on that wiki page
2008-04-05T17:57:44  <ThomasWaldmann> (because it is only needed for 1.6, not 1.7 as you just found out)
2008-04-05T17:57:59  <dreimark> ok,
2008-04-05T17:58:22  <dreimark> what is with this MAx_STORED_SECRETS var it seems to be gone too
2008-04-05T17:58:34  <dreimark> does this mean unlimited?
2008-04-05T18:06:43  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: I tried with differnt users not only one as before
2008-04-05T18:07:08  <dreimark> it is not fixed!
2008-04-05T18:07:46  <dreimark> the seesion is browser dependent, the "new"  user gets the session of the previous one
2008-04-05T18:17:17  <ThomasWaldmann> johill: ^^ X)
2008-04-05T19:22:28  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, cia is sleeping :P
2008-04-05T19:27:39  <dennda> moin
2008-04-05T19:27:41  <dennda> by the way, add one tool I use for development to my application
2008-04-05T19:27:46  <dennda> I just discovered pida
2008-04-05T19:28:00  <dennda> which is the greatest ide for my purposes I have seen so far
2008-04-05T19:32:51  <TheSheep> dennda: windows or linux?
2008-04-05T19:33:01  <dennda> linux
2008-04-05T19:33:31  <TheSheep> what's wrng with vim? :D
2008-04-05T19:33:33  <dennda> gvim embedded \o/
2008-04-05T19:33:55  <dennda> nothing
2008-04-05T19:34:01  <dennda> I usually use gvim
2008-04-05T19:34:21  <dennda> but pida is a nice addon to vim ;)
2008-04-05T19:35:40  <TheSheep> if you like to use your mouse
2008-04-05T19:35:55  <dennda> I don't, but gvim has much better theme support
2008-04-05T19:36:26  <TheSheep> yeah, I mean gvim when I said vim
2008-04-05T19:37:48  <ThomasWaldmann> hmm, not reinventing stuff. from an eclipse perspective, it could be seen as reinventing eclipse. :P
2008-04-05T19:38:10  <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: it's much faster than that fat eclipse java thing
2008-04-05T19:41:08  <ThomasWaldmann> that's maybe not hard to achieve :) but eclipse is fast enough for me (1GHz/1GB RAM) and I bet more powerful, so *I* am faster with it.
2008-04-05T19:41:31  <dennda> sure, if it's ok for you, no argument
2008-04-05T19:41:35  <ThomasWaldmann> (and it has a really nice debugger)
2008-04-05T19:42:35  * dennda wants a debugger that executes line after line
2008-04-05T19:42:45  <dennda> I once had a great MIPS-Assembler simulator
2008-04-05T19:47:22  <TheSheep> there is some pythn debugger I think
2008-04-05T19:47:51  <TheSheep> but I never really learned to use a debugger. I mean I can use gdb, but never find it useful
2008-04-05T19:47:55  <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: eclipse/pydev has single stepping, breakpoints, introspection and much more
2008-04-05T19:48:24  <ThomasWaldmann> it is maybe not perfect, but far ahead of most other crap
2008-04-05T19:48:30  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: a sink :)
2008-04-05T19:48:57  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: a memory sink? :)
2008-04-05T19:49:04  <TheSheep> of the kitchen variety rather
2008-04-05T19:49:35  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: the question is: can you install Linux on it? ;)
2008-04-05T19:50:05  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe not, but iirc there are ssh clients, irc clients etc. for eclipse :P
2008-04-05T19:50:21  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: you can ssh into exclipse? %)
2008-04-05T19:50:38  <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: single stepping = making single steps through the code, having an overview over names assigned to objects?
2008-04-05T19:50:43  * ThomasWaldmann uses only eclipse, pydev/pydev extension a very few more
2008-04-05T19:50:56  <ThomasWaldmann> dennda: yes
2008-04-05T19:51:16  <dennda> that's pretty cool
2008-04-05T19:51:24  <ThomasWaldmann> very cool when used with moin.py standalone server
2008-04-05T19:51:39  <dennda> maybe I'll give it a try
2008-04-05T19:51:43  <dennda> but I am so used to gvim
2008-04-05T19:52:21  <ThomasWaldmann> i use vim for small scale work, but I prefer eclipse for big scale stuff and debugging
2008-04-05T19:52:46  <dennda> vim is just an editor after all
2008-04-05T19:53:08  <dennda> I wrote a text in OO.org the other day and always pressed Esc
2008-04-05T19:53:32  <xorAxAx> :)
2008-04-05T19:56:55  <ThomasWaldmann> maybe there is a vim plugin for eclipse :P
2008-04-05T19:59:07  <TheSheep> dennda: I usually end up with spurious i all over the place
2008-04-05T20:10:37  <ThomasWaldmann> http://master17.moinmo.in/AjudaNaAutentica%C3%A7%C3%A3o/LDAP?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=title%3Aldap&titlesearch=Titel
2008-04-05T20:11:00  <ThomasWaldmann> that msg display still looks a bit crappy
2008-04-05T21:12:55  <dennda> bye cia
2008-04-05T21:47:33  * ThomasWaldmann improves session/auth debug logging
2008-04-05T22:20:43  <CIA-47> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 3481:9a3deab96cb7 1.7/ (5 files in 3 dirs): improve auth/session logging, add auth/session debug logging config
2008-04-05T22:24:48  * dreimark does not know if he should LOL or CRY about this perl application
2008-04-05T22:28:33  <ThomasWaldmann> "I intend to code in Perl and Java."
2008-04-05T22:28:58  <ThomasWaldmann> why not? it just won't be for moin. :P
2008-04-05T22:31:11  <dennda> who wrote that
2008-04-05T22:31:11  <dennda> ?
2008-04-05T22:32:12  <ThomasWaldmann> an applying student :)
2008-04-05T22:32:21  * ThomasWaldmann added a comment :)
2008-04-05T22:33:02  <dennda> ThomasWaldmann: a new application?
2008-04-05T22:33:36  <ThomasWaldmann> no, but it was a bit off-track due to other reasons also
2008-04-05T22:51:24  * dreimark has added a comment too (same time)
2008-04-05T22:55:21  <waldi> jython?
2008-04-05T22:56:41  <ThomasWaldmann> braucht man wozu? :)
2008-04-05T22:56:54  <kikka> :o
2008-04-05T22:58:12  <waldi> zum java coden
2008-04-05T22:58:36  <dreimark> wrong channel or wrong lang
2008-04-05T22:59:41  <kikka> right.
2008-04-05T23:03:06  <xorAxAx> dreimark: jython isnt the wrong channel :)
2008-04-05T23:06:04  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: it is :)
2008-04-05T23:06:23  <xorAxAx> nope, moin should be able to run there as well :-P
2008-04-05T23:06:29  <xorAxAx> and jython is better than java :-)
2008-04-05T23:06:47  <ThomasWaldmann> Jython 2.2 does not implement any features added to CPython in version 2.3 or later.
2008-04-05T23:07:12  <dreimark> xorAxAx: sounded german
2008-04-05T23:08:39  <xorAxAx> ThomasWaldmann: so? see the cvs/svn :-)
2008-04-05T23:09:56  <ThomasWaldmann> I let it to xorAxAx to support unreleased foopython versions. :)
2008-04-05T23:10:50  <xorAxAx> hehe
2008-04-05T23:15:04  <waldi> pypy?
2008-04-05T23:21:41  <zenhase> py3k ;)
2008-04-05T23:24:17  * ThomasWaldmann looks forward to py3k, but it will take a while until we require 2.4/2.5/2.6/3.0
2008-04-05T23:26:50  <dreimark> http://www.dlevel.com/blogs/alex/29
2008-04-05T23:28:56  <dreimark> http://werkzeug.pocoo.org/documentation/tutorial/
2008-04-05T23:29:01  <dreimark> Werkzeug started as simple collection of various utilities for WSGI applications ...
2008-04-05T23:29:57  <mitsuhiko> dreimark: what does the ellipsis mean?
2008-04-05T23:45:19  <dreimark> mitsuhiko: ?
2008-04-05T23:45:31  <dreimark> (network broken)
2008-04-05T23:45:33  <mitsuhiko> dreimark: you pasted two links and a quote
2008-04-05T23:45:43  <mitsuhiko> somehow i'm intested if they are related to each other and how
2008-04-05T23:46:59  <dreimark> they are only related to each other on planetpython
2008-04-05T23:48:45  <dreimark> mitsuhiko: I did read your article too (next time one tells me how good osx is i can ask him to show me cut and paste)
2008-04-05T23:52:06  <mitsuhiko> hehe
2008-04-05T23:52:21  <mitsuhiko> rants attract quite a lot of attention, especially when ranting about hyped stuff
2008-04-05T23:58:15  <dreimark> good night