MoinMoin: MoinMoinChat/Logs/moin-dev/2008-02-03

2008-02-03T05:29:42  <starshine> UPS.shipping: dev XO boxes on their way
2008-02-03T11:14:38  <dreimark> moin
2008-02-03T11:16:57  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: both bugs are fixed
2008-02-03T11:19:07  <dreimark> sorry for the wording bug, I have just tested the code not the strings
2008-02-03T11:27:46  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: the problem with fullsearch is that FullSearch() searches on the current page but FullSearch only renders the form
2008-02-03T11:28:51  <dreimark> Can you check the mig script if does remove () if it is empty.
2008-02-03T11:31:10  <TheSheep> maybe there should be a separate SearchForm macro?
2008-02-03T11:42:25  <dreimark> similiar to AdvancedSearch
2008-02-03T11:49:36  <dreimark> splitting the form from the function is a better solution
2008-02-03T11:50:13  <dreimark> we should do it in 1.7 after the real work
2008-02-03T11:50:59  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: about that forward ports. I am not sure how all the ports and reverts should be handled
2008-02-03T11:52:41  <dreimark> e.g. 2069:43c1ca294ff1 2070:8249d7de39bd
2008-02-03T11:53:11  <ThomasWaldmann> moin
2008-02-03T11:53:38  <dreimark> wrong example
2008-02-03T11:54:25  <dreimark> s/wrong//
2008-02-03T14:42:16  <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2542:5494361ffa11 1.6/ (MoinMoin/action/test.py docs/CHANGES): removed calling the unit tests from action=test, cosmetic fixes to test action
2008-02-03T14:54:53  <ThomasWaldmann> btw, i think about doing 1.6.1 rsn, maybe today night
2008-02-03T14:54:55  <ThomasWaldmann> bbl
2008-02-03T15:22:03  <kikka> Hello there!
2008-02-03T15:27:05  <TheSheep> o/
2008-02-03T16:42:17  <dreimark> bb
2008-02-03T18:10:07  <CIA-36> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3026:6275f8695bc8 1.7/MoinMoin/filter/image_jpeg.py: image_jpeg: KeyError as exception for EXIF added (ported from 1.6)
2008-02-03T18:10:09  <CIA-36> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3027:6dcc9617bab6 1.7/MoinMoin/parser/text_moin_wiki.py: Fix for WrongAlignedAttachment (Thanks to Benjamin Weber) (ported from 1.6)
2008-02-03T18:10:10  <CIA-36> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3028:f2d239fbf544 1.7/MoinMoin/i18n/__init__.py: i18n.__init__: shebang removed (ported from 1.6)
2008-02-03T18:10:11  <CIA-36> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3029:9c12ceee3115 1.7/MoinMoin/script/__init__.py: script.__init__: ToDo added (ported from 1.6)
2008-02-03T18:10:13  <CIA-36> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3030:a875b3c6dabc 1.7/MoinMoin/action/edit.py: action.edit: bug fix for missing #format (Page for send_page) (port from 1.6)
2008-02-03T18:12:34  <dreimark> changeset: 2146:6c23b608e505 was already applied with f24afde03048 in 1.7
2008-02-03T18:49:39  <dreimark> bbl
2008-02-03T19:01:04  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann
2008-02-03T19:17:08  <dreimark> bb
2008-02-03T19:28:47  <CIA-36> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3031:29b51bbecc2c 1.7/wiki/config/wikiconfig.py: =config.wikiconfig:fixed #url_prefix_static and doc string for 1.7
2008-02-03T20:24:50  <CIA-36> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3032:c242772754c5 1.7/MoinMoin/ (4 files in 4 dirs): stats macro which shows the preferred language distribution of the wiki users (Thanks to Nina Kuisma) (ported from 1.6)
2008-02-03T20:24:51  <CIA-36> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3033:6d9bdb12163f 1.7/MoinMoin/stats/languages.py: stats.languages: small fix (Thanks to Nina Kuisma) (port from 1.6)
2008-02-03T20:34:19  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: ?
2008-02-03T20:34:37  <ThomasWaldmann> ah, great, some forward ports
2008-02-03T20:35:30  <ThomasWaldmann> hm, looks like the polish stuff won't be polished in 1.6.1
2008-02-03T20:37:04  <TheSheep> ThomasWaldmann: I'm sorry, it was a busy week :(
2008-02-03T20:37:08  <CIA-36> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3034:d0d9fbc0f0ee 1.7/MoinMoin/ (3 files in 3 dirs): PEP8 whitespace fixes
2008-02-03T20:38:34  <ThomasWaldmann> TheSheep: there are other polish people who could've fixed it :)
2008-02-03T20:40:54  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, tell me what to look at and how to work on it, and I may be able to push it forward
2008-02-03T20:41:50  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: http://master.moinmo.in/SystemPagesInPolishGroup just read that
2008-02-03T20:42:12  <ThomasWaldmann> looks like tpfennig is also doing last minute changes
2008-02-03T20:49:21  * ThomasWaldmann updates i18n po files
2008-02-03T21:05:40  <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2543:2ee26e323af6 1.6/MoinMoin/i18n/ (fi.MoinMoin.po hr.MoinMoin.po sr.MoinMoin.po): updated i18n
2008-02-03T21:13:47  <vpv> :)
2008-02-03T21:16:48  <ThomasWaldmann> vpv: including your stuff :)
2008-02-03T21:18:51  <vpv> yeah, that's what I thought :)
2008-02-03T21:21:04  <grzywacz> ugh
2008-02-03T21:21:17  <xorAxAx> google knows 650 moin 1.6 wikis already :)
2008-02-03T21:21:33  <grzywacz> hey, that's nice
2008-02-03T21:21:58  <CIA-36> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3035:b545446562a0 1.7/MoinMoin/ (PageEditor.py PageGraphicalEditor.py): fix for MoinMoinBugs/TrivialChangeEasyAccess (thanks to Ninnu) (ported from 1.6)
2008-02-03T21:21:59  <CIA-36> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3036:fe0263c5d64c 1.7/MoinMoin/theme/__init__.py: theme.__init__: fixed deprecation warning
2008-02-03T21:22:00  <CIA-36> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3037:c0d62e7f4fbc 1.7/MoinMoin/PageGraphicalEditor.py: PageGraphicalEditor: fixed deprecation of send_page(msg=)
2008-02-03T21:22:07  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, hm, I'm afraid I don't know what are the correct ACLs :S
2008-02-03T21:23:39  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: you dont need to fix that
2008-02-03T21:23:50  <ThomasWaldmann> just fix correct master-page
2008-02-03T21:23:56  <ThomasWaldmann> and the group page
2008-02-03T21:24:00  <dreimark> xorAxAx: +29 ssl MM wikis on my side
2008-02-03T21:24:33  <ThomasWaldmann> xorAxAx: more than i would've expected
2008-02-03T21:24:42  <ThomasWaldmann> sure that you are counting sites, not pages?
2008-02-03T21:24:46  <xorAxAx> yes
2008-02-03T21:24:53  <xorAxAx> i searched for HelpOnSynchronisation
2008-02-03T21:25:09  <xorAxAx> hmm
2008-02-03T21:25:21  <xorAxAx> only 28 hits for inurl:HelpOnSynchronisation
2008-02-03T21:25:40  <xorAxAx> ok, thats a bit less
2008-02-03T21:25:50  <ThomasWaldmann> X)
2008-02-03T21:26:02  <xorAxAx> but that might be less than the actual figure because google often doesnt know a complete wiki
2008-02-03T21:29:25  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, but 3 of these are official moin sites ;)
2008-02-03T21:30:42  <dreimark> xorAxAx: inurl:EventStats/Languages gets 24
2008-02-03T21:31:12  <xorAxAx> so some people are even using a snapshot, like me :)
2008-02-03T21:33:53  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, so for example "##master-page:HelpTemplate" -> "##master-page:HelpOnActions" and that's all there is to fix?
2008-02-03T21:35:47  <ThomasWaldmann> i think so
2008-02-03T21:35:58  <ThomasWaldmann> (for the individual pages)
2008-02-03T21:36:13  <ThomasWaldmann> the group page needs all the stuff at the top moved/removed
2008-02-03T21:45:00  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, what about ##master-date?
2008-02-03T21:45:25  <ThomasWaldmann> would be nice if it were correct, but not as important as master-page
2008-02-03T21:45:59  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, more like... what is it for?
2008-02-03T21:46:17  <dreimark> you fet from the info of tha page
2008-02-03T21:46:17  <ThomasWaldmann> for the translator's easy updating
2008-02-03T21:46:30  <dreimark> s/fet/get/
2008-02-03T21:47:58  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, I assume it's ok if I copy ACLs from the original pages?
2008-02-03T21:49:32  <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2544:73be332bd3ed 1.6/ (MANIFEST.in setup.py): add _tests/ directories to the dist archive, but do not install them using setup.py
2008-02-03T21:52:56  <ThomasWaldmann> we have one small problem left, regarding /moin.py
2008-02-03T21:53:36  <ThomasWaldmann> it is fine for uncompress & run and developers, but if somebody uses setup.py, it will get lost (same likely for packages of moin)
2008-02-03T21:54:17  <grzywacz> Hm, these pages seem to be badly outdated....
2008-02-03T21:54:25  <ThomasWaldmann> possible solutions:
2008-02-03T21:54:52  <ThomasWaldmann> just duplicate it to wiki/server/moin.py (the comment in that file is rather useless for installed stuff)
2008-02-03T21:55:29  <CIA-36> Reimar Bauer <rb.proj AT googlemail DOT com> default * 3038:07ab9d4b8bb8 1.7/MoinMoin/ (action/supplementation.py theme/__init__.py): bug fix for 1.6.0SupplementationAndAccessRights (thanks to Boleslaw Kulbabinski) (ported from 1.6)
2008-02-03T21:55:32  <grzywacz> Hm. Why two foreigners have the PomocPrzyKategoriach page subscribed? :) :D
2008-02-03T21:55:43  <dreimark> ThomasWaldmann: that i18n string is fixed too
2008-02-03T21:55:59  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: .*
2008-02-03T21:56:03  <xorAxAx> grzywacz: maybe they want to learn polish
2008-02-03T21:56:13  <grzywacz> xorAxAx, fair enough :P
2008-02-03T21:56:25  <ThomasWaldmann> dreimark: what i18n string?
2008-02-03T21:57:06  <ThomasWaldmann> you mean "You are not allowed to ..." in 1.7?
2008-02-03T21:57:07  <dreimark> http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.6/rev/1a64a2c69f58
2008-02-03T21:57:14  <dreimark> right
2008-02-03T22:02:15  <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2545:5c073ab40712 1.6/wiki/server/moin.py: duplicating the toplevel moin.py standalone server script to wiki/server/moin.py so it gets installed by setup.py (in 1.7 there will be a cleaner way with the standalone server integrated into the moin script command)
2008-02-03T22:03:05  * ThomasWaldmann tries make dist
2008-02-03T22:04:40  <kikka> Gute Nacht.
2008-02-03T22:07:13  <ThomasWaldmann> gn kikka
2008-02-03T22:25:38  <CIA-36> Thomas Waldmann <tw AT waldmann-edv DOT de> default * 2546:a2c906dad002 1.6/ (13 files in 8 dirs): preparing 1.6.1 release: bumping version numbers, adding dummy mig script, updating CHANGES
2008-02-03T22:34:16  * ThomasWaldmann waits...
2008-02-03T22:35:38  * dreimark sorts socks 
2008-02-03T22:50:25  <TheSheep> dreimark: just peg them together ;)
2008-02-03T22:56:58  <dreimark> yeah ;)
2008-02-03T22:57:19  <dreimark> http://cia.vc/stats/project/moin does the order mean I do have 2nd most changesets?
2008-02-03T22:57:57  <dreimark> no probably not the thirs one is quite unknown
2008-02-03T23:02:01  <dreimark> johill: you do have 9 cs more than me
2008-02-03T23:03:55  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: still there?
2008-02-03T23:06:00  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, more or less
2008-02-03T23:08:12  <ThomasWaldmann> shall i wait for the last 10 or do you need sleep? :)
2008-02-03T23:09:37  <grzywacz> uh oh, give me a few more minutes
2008-02-03T23:09:42  <grzywacz> I've just started another tee. :P
2008-02-03T23:10:19  <dreimark> good night
2008-02-03T23:10:28  <ThomasWaldmann> gn dreimark
2008-02-03T23:13:37  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, is it possible to disable textcha for trusted users? :P
2008-02-03T23:13:51  <ThomasWaldmann> sure
2008-02-03T23:14:13  <grzywacz> Can we do that and consider me trusted? ;-)
2008-02-03T23:15:11  <ThomasWaldmann> http://master.moinmo.in/MoinPagesEditorGroup add yourself there
2008-02-03T23:15:29  <grzywacz> You mean bots can add themselves as well?
2008-02-03T23:16:41  <ThomasWaldmann> only if they are intelligent enough for that
2008-02-03T23:17:26  <grzywacz> Doesn't sound difficult to figure it out...
2008-02-03T23:18:01  <TheSheep> sure, but you must try first
2008-02-03T23:18:29  <grzywacz> Well, they used to register as users, no?
2008-02-03T23:18:39  <grzywacz> What prevents their authors from adding one more step to the process? ;)
2008-02-03T23:21:06  <TheSheep> laziness
2008-02-03T23:21:28  <grzywacz> Suddenly I seem to be unable to set ACLs
2008-02-03T23:21:54  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: dont set acls
2008-02-03T23:22:12  <grzywacz> doh
2008-02-03T23:24:53  <grzywacz> surge protection -_-;
2008-02-03T23:25:17  <ThomasWaldmann> wait a minute, drink some water :)
2008-02-03T23:25:33  <grzywacz> s/water/tea/
2008-02-03T23:25:45  <ThomasWaldmann> 99.9% hot water
2008-02-03T23:26:04  <grzywacz> Not very hot anymore. ;(
2008-02-03T23:26:50  <grzywacz> What's the name of the help page which describes horizontal lines? Like the one you get with <hr/> in html?
2008-02-03T23:29:14  * cb22 runs away screaming from setting up windows 2003 servers
2008-02-03T23:29:58  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: don't do that :D
2008-02-03T23:30:20  <cb22> what, run away screaming or setup windows 2003 servers? :p
2008-02-03T23:30:37  <TheSheep> cb22: wait for 2008 ;)
2008-02-03T23:31:08  <ThomasWaldmann> cb22: if you dont do the 2nd, you wont need the 1st
2008-02-03T23:31:46  <TheSheep> cb22: install ubuntu with some glossy theme and tell them it's Vista ;)
2008-02-03T23:31:53  <cb22> hehehe
2008-02-03T23:32:02  <cb22> i would, but propriatory apps ftl
2008-02-03T23:33:15  <cb22> i've found its easier to reinstall windows then to sort out a mess in it
2008-02-03T23:33:34  <cb22> so whenever i messed something up, i just sayed 'ah what the hell' and reinstalled
2008-02-03T23:34:08  <xorAxAx> hmm, never understood windows reinstalling people
2008-02-03T23:34:22  <xorAxAx> my windows installations had been living for about 3 years each
2008-02-03T23:34:27  <grzywacz> I did. Never understood linux reinstalling people, tho.
2008-02-03T23:34:32  <xorAxAx> and then i had a new machine usually
2008-02-03T23:34:41  <cb22> grzywacz: i can agree with that
2008-02-03T23:34:52  <xorAxAx> i figure that its mostly people who dont know how windows works :)
2008-02-03T23:35:02  <grzywacz> I don't know how windows works.
2008-02-03T23:35:05  <cb22> whenever i need to update / do whatever to my freebsd install, i just rm -rf /usr/local /var/db/pkg :)
2008-02-03T23:35:13  <cb22> xorAxAx: does anyone :p?
2008-02-03T23:35:41  <xorAxAx> cb22: i didnt have any issues :)
2008-02-03T23:36:25  <grzywacz> ThomasWaldmann, one silly link left. :P
2008-02-03T23:36:31  <xorAxAx> but for some things, you need to know softice and kdbg
2008-02-03T23:36:34  <cb22> i installed vista recently (40 days ago or so) and havent been in it for quite a while, simply because its totally foobared and i have no blank dvds to write windows to
2008-02-03T23:36:49  <cb22> s/windows/windows 2003/
2008-02-03T23:36:58  <cb22> i find it makes a nicer desktop os then xp
2008-02-03T23:37:03  <cb22> once you nlite it a bit
2008-02-03T23:37:40  <xorAxAx> its much more enterprisey :)
2008-02-03T23:38:59  <cb22> very true. imo windows still sucks big time :) really big time.
2008-02-03T23:41:02  <xorAxAx> well, it needs to be approached differently than by looking into the source code if you dont understand something
2008-02-03T23:41:12  <xorAxAx> reverse engineering culture wouldnt exist without closed source :)
2008-02-03T23:41:31  <xorAxAx> which is an interesting aspect in the demo scene ... soo many windows users there
2008-02-03T23:42:38  <cb22> true, but i'm not just talking open source here. for example, when i shut down my freebsd box, i know exactly what its doing
2008-02-03T23:43:29  <cb22> first it shuts down all the /usr/local/etc/rc.d services, then /etc/rc.d/ services, and then runs /etc/rc.shutdown, then synces up the diskks, and powers itself off using ACPI
2008-02-03T23:43:57  <cb22> on windows, well, um, no clue. im sure people do know, but its just not easy or nice to find out
2008-02-03T23:44:23  <cb22> and windows server hosting AD takes the best part of 5 minutes to shut down too
2008-02-03T23:46:51  <xorAxAx> there is a registry setting that lets windows print out a msg about the current task its doing while shutdown :)
2008-02-03T23:48:34  * ThomasWaldmann removed the last ghop tasks...
2008-02-03T23:48:50  <cb22> ThomasWaldmann: haha, was just about to say
2008-02-03T23:51:54  * cb22 thinks he looks at his email too often
2008-02-03T23:58:05  <ThomasWaldmann> grzywacz: shall I do the remaining work on the group page or are you working on it?